[Fortress Sanctuary] Weird Dreams Mafia

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hi! i rolecopped ircher and got "voidfiend vigilante."

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that doesn't seem right...

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i will read this pt and figure out what's going on in a couple of hours. in the meantime, looks like kirigiri is a sussy baka.

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Yeah, you got redirected onto me it seems.

Are you just a straight rolecop or do you have something spicier to go with it?

2-shot rolecop.

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Well, I just got the chance to look at the actual game. WTF are these dreams trying to do, telling on you like that?!

...truthfully prophetic fridge?

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is it alright if i mention the drew/python thing and clear python off it?

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fair. i can wait.

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VOTE: kyoko

i wonder if this is a tmi vote.

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i'm going to throw a vote down on camel for now.

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it's an alright plan.

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of course ranger has to be scumreading the two masons.

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i can try to rolecop them again, i have a few ideas though and i need to think.

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if they shoot on the second night, we can treestump.

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hmm. i'm thinking that maybe i could try to hit cult with the rolecop (not that i know how to hunt cult). they had "liminal space" in their names last time so it's possible they'll have something similarly distinctive this time.
any suspects in that case?

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i could always hold the rolecop and check python later.

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does anyone understand what python was on about when they said drew protected two people n1? are they, like, tracker or something?

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drew's ability doesn't say he can target twice though so...?

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should i ask them in the nightmare?

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pretty sure python uses they/them btw.

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does anyone understand what python was on about when they said drew protected two people n1? are they, like, tracker or something?

I suspect it has something to do with Python's role.

In the first Nightmare, Drew asked if Python received feedback, Python said yes, and then Python said Drew targeted two people the next day.

Nothing in Drew's PM suggests feedback, so my guess would be Python has (or had) a day ability to give someone the ability to double target, and used it on Drew.

python didn't say they got feedback, drew asked if anyone got feedback and python just said you're welcome. but that makes sense.

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possible we could do that and use the vigi then.

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2-Shot Traitor Recruitment

: Twice per game, you may target another player and attempt to recall them to the Masonry if they are a traitor. If successful, they will gain access to The Fortress at the start of the day.

it would be really funny if you could recruit the maf traitor by accident, but given 78, i don't think that's actually possible lol.

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Or maybe Ranger will just notice that KKFC's mutual townread analysis had us three grouped together and realize what that means

or notice my obvious softing.
"WhAt If YoU tWo ArE sCuMpArTnErS???"

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Or y'know. Literally claiming mason first page. Sure it was scum mason, but we caught it.

I wonder if she thinks you're the wrong Traitor?

i specifically went with scum mason because traitor is traditionally a scum role.

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if she thinks i'm her traitor, that's bad because i probably die.
wouldn't i have died last night though?
or would killing python have been more of a priority?

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Or maybe Ranger will just notice that KKFC's mutual townread analysis had us three grouped together and realize what that means

or notice my obvious softing.
"WhAt If YoU tWo ArE sCuMpArTnErS???"

Hahaha yeah it's going to be pretty easy for someone who wants to investigate the matter to link us together. If that doesn't seem to be happening, maybe scum really just is the more disengaged players...

i kind of regret all the obvious softing because it puts a target on my back, but i knew you guys only had two shots so i figured i had to make things pretty clear.

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idk anything about game balance but that sounds about right.

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i don't think ranger is maf so idk what i was talking about there lol.

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i support that. if you're going to explain the plan in the nightmare, i'll wait to vote.

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i'm just asking you questions in there (as opposed to in here) so i don't look like an obvious partner.

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what actually is the plan if one of you/python/ranger dies tonight?

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If sheep's getting the cop, I guess I should use my other doc shot on him here.

Sad thing is though, we can't really get any info from lack of kills.

the scum have 2 nights to kill him though, if they’re even in the nightmare. i feel like the info might be more valuable because of that. you could always hold onto the shot.

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i think i'm just going to rolecop flea.

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where do we think the dream snitching on rat came from?

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ik there was a role called falsely prophetic fridge last time that did something like that, but this dream was telling the truth.

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you know what, sure. i'll save it.

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i don't actually know where the best place is to use it.

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Ehh, you could maybe save the rolecop until there's fewer people left and we maybe know more about the redirecting? I think you're not too likely a NK anymore, especially if there's scum in this nightmare.

Maybe the fridge is just unreliable this time, lol.

if the fridge is a scum role like last time, i don't know why they would want to pt cop ircher over rat. my theory was that titus saw rat's talk about masons in the nightmare and got suspicious so she had her scumbuddy check.
but then i guess there's the question of why didn't she just kill them instead?
whether or not we think the fridge was actually intended to target rat could influence what redirection roles are likely in the game though.

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no, not necessarily. but if it's something like bus driver, it would have had to be.

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Maybe STD is bus driver, he voted Ircher?

Hang on, there's something about giving feedback in Titus's role. Do you guys think it could be what Drew mentioned?

i think what drew mentioned was getting the feedback that he was allowed to use two actions. unless we're talking about different things?

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NOOOOOOOOOOOO AUREAL!

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this is bad.

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i think my interactions make it quite clear, but i'd rather not draw attention to myself if i can help it. i need to think.

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sorry i dropped off the face of the earth. i'm here now. skimmed the thread, but haven't properly read it yet.
anyway, here's the deal. i didn't notice the pm until now, but i got neighbourized by dragoneater70. he noticed my obvious mason softing and i just confirmed it because it's...obvious. he's claiming bomb with a 1-shot neighbourizer and a 1-shot detective, and he wants to fakeclaim mason detective to bait a nightkill. i'm personally fine with it, but i'm obviously not going to let him go through with something like that if you're not on board. i also see you're planning to fakeclaim sheep, so this plan might conflict with that.
thoughts?

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i think it's probably fine to put me in the proposal at this point as at least someone has caught on.
i'm also considering outing the existence of a redirection role (would probably claim 1-shot instead of 2-shot). good idea or no?

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it's called the backrooms.

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do you think kori would make it the exact same this time? i feel like that would be "too easy." i lean towards it being a red herring, but i won't totally trust him.

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i told him mason fakeclaim isn't happening. he says that was from when he thought massclaim was happening and he doesn't plan to claim now. if you want to try it, though, i can tell him that.
the kill-baiting thing is why i don't really think he's cl. doesn't cult just lose if cl dies?

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will do.

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i had a look at the cl pm from the previous run, and what stands out to me is that they could win by putting everyone in the backrooms. fwiw, there's no one else in there, and claiming 1-shot neighbourizer seems weird because he wouldn't be able to add anyone else without outing himself.

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dragon has not used the detective shot yet.

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i still lean red herring, but it definitely is weird.
i won't be awake much longer, but i'll be around tomorrow to coordinate whatever and actually post in thread.

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Alright.

I'm okay with fakeclaiming him with us to bait the kill, because him getting shot is kind of a win/win if he's telling the truth.

But if he survives the night, and we don't have a stronger guilty, he has to be the elimination.

i’ve informed him of this.

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sure, i'm down.

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should i tell the truth about having another shot of rolecop or say i'm 1-shot to hopefully prevent roles like redirector from targeting me again?

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WAIT THERE'S TWO BACKROOMS?

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no one else is in there. uhh.
dragon's is only 1-shot though and he didn't mention having any sort of marshall ability.

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do i claim the traitor part or no?

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ok. for now i'll just say 1-shot rolecop.

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I want to wait and see what DragonEater does.

what's the connection between the traitor thing and what dragon does, though? i don't think i'm following.

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Tonight, I think you should target StD.

DE would be nice to know, but if he's cult, and we don't have the immunity we think we do, the result's untrustworthy. StD potentially being Godfather is something we want ruled out, and even if you do somehow get recruited it shouldn't affect you outing Mafia.

roger that.

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i think i will.

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Well, now I'm worried a 1 shot detective won't be enough to avoid eating a kill.

he claimed ungated detective in thread. 1-shot detective is what he claimed in the hood.
town seems pretty stacked though, so i still kind of agree. hmm.

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What's DE70 thinking about KKFC?

he said he was weirded out and that one decoy backrooms made sense, but two is strange. his wording wasn't quite clear on whether he thinks the other backrooms is actual cult or not, so i'm seeking clarification.
in terms of dayplay, he wants to re-read the slot but said he was light-townreading their posting d1 and on the fence, "don't like, don't hate," about d2 and today.

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i talked to dragon. he still has hope that the plan might work, but says he'll trueclaim if you insist. i am fine going either way.
he thinks katy is likely cult, which i'm inclined to agree with, and wants to flip him today.

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yeah that's fine. especially since he claimed bomb in thread for some reason.

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is the slip what ranger pointed out? or is there something else i'm not seeing?

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@mod - rephrasing an earlier question: as masons, are we immune to alignment changes?

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LOL NO WAY. THERE'S THREE OF THEM?

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sorry about the botched claim shenanigans.

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Hey, no need to apologize to me, it helped us win

true, true. it all worked out in the end.

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no redactions.