Hollow Knight Mafia [Radiance's Infected PT]

[Gimli]

strong team

let's win this

[Gimli]

I think my role will be negative/variance heavy utility for scum. it becomes a strong claim down the line but on n2 and n4 I give a vig kill to a townie, and I choose if it's a broken one that won't kill or a good one that will kill. if I target our team it's always a broken one.

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we can frame people with it, give a broken blade then get them limmed cause they didn't die

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*get their targets limmed

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lots of spice possible

but its a weak role comparatively

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here's what I think about playing wolf: thread presence, participating in the narratives etc is everything. so do what you will with my weird stances and if you wanna hard tunnel go for it. I don't want to defend my posturing in wolfchat but I can hold my own in the gamethread

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also when it comes to bussing, my slot has weird utility for scum so I'm the most bussable. I either flip early and you all absolutely gain from it, or I try to endgame. the worst thing is keeping me alive until n3 or something and then I'm caught in POEs and flip mafia and didn't make good associatives

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I notice sometimes scum doesn't do anything and people don't remember them and then they endgame lol

but like I can't play like that unfortunately

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asri is eiralox, I know that because they alt slipped in a game we're playing

and can't be HPE cause HPE was in that game as well

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I'm sorry datisi

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I appreciate the calling me a potato gimli it gives me great cover to keep potatoing

Also I'm not nearly as good as people in the thread seem to think I am

<3

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yeah I think that's great distancing A+

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unless he's trying to make them look unaligned lmao

we need to kill this man

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I am going to laugh at Ari post game being 100% right on the scum.

they're too instinctive haha

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welcome TSQ!!

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he replaced lycan who was also disengaged, it's unfortunate but the town is a bit aimless at this point so they're going on the weaker activity slot as a default or w/e. I tried pushing redFF but we keep losing momentum to get that wagon going..

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Lmao

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activate nail forging

@dats

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peta is scumsiding a bit? but sure

and ari would be great too but probably getting protectives

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I'm sorry I haven't paid much attention to the NAs

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haha

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hahaha

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I'm sorry. this is very funny though, we're being smashed

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it won't matter what you say, I think, unless it's really fucking towny. it's too bad...

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So what's our plan, gimli? Cry in a corner?

accidents can happen

maybe they start townreading me and forget I'm scum

I have the blade thing and I can frame people with it later on

there's an endgame path.

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I'm in alisae's towncore and I think aristeia thinks my role clears me

do I take it very far? I don't think I can take it very far. but if I do I have funky plans.

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yeah

so the topic is locked

F sircakez, we'll win for you buddy <3

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I'm thinking of sending my KP to alisae. or furtive. I read one of you say alisae is pocketable, and I've been trying to be on er good side most of the game. e doesn't want the KP, so I'm leaning furtive atm. he is a good player but locks in scumreads and might kill townies that are outside POE for us.

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I could send to petapan but I'm afraid of him shooting you

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furtive is mechanically clear due to jailkeeping the NK, I can justify going there

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give a blade to furtive

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who should we kill? of course, aristeia and petapan are the likely targets, but are also drawing protectives to them. I was thinking of killing klick? or MT or something.

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give a blade to furtive

a functional or a broken blade?

functional blade

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I also think we need asri as long as possible in the thread. he is chaotic and easy to pocket. I think I'm gonna towncase him on d3.

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So which of our fucking 5000 conf town do we kill.

If aris role is like furtives that could mean its a 1 shot and shes essentially vanilla.

the mech clears are peta, aristeia and furtive

my idea is to take the nightkill to either klick or MT. I think those two players, alongside fireisred, can breath new perspective into the towncore and help them solve the game. and because I'm afraid of watchers and doctors, taking the NK way outside the townpool might work? which is why I'm leaning killing klick.

but we can do one of ari and peta and hope it won't be stopped again

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we can also kill firebringer I think
or alisae

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CSF is an extremely annoying townie to deal with, they never believe none of my bullshits

so yeah that can work

but if you wanna kill in the towncore I'm fine with that as well

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I think my d1 interactions with cakez will condemn me eventually so I should do the kill instead, I think

also they know I'm already giving someone a thing so maybe they won't track me? idk

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flavour cop also amongst these lurker townies who are good at mafia (csf, mt, klick)? but idk which idk who is crumbling what itt

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we can't multitask?

I have to send the thing to furtive or I'm outed!

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Gimli sends blade to furtive
shea kills CSF

I think that's better

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if we can't multitask

if we can then

gilmi sends blade to furtive + gimli kills csf
shea cops firebringer

pedit: yeah functional

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datisi, we can't multitask even if one of us is the last wolf?

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I want to play it out at least for a bit, should be fun

too bad about aristeia

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actually we can surrender? but let me think this through

if I can't carry the NK this will be a long 2 months until I'm definitely in some kind of elimination pool

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but what if there's a third party playing? won't that suck for them?

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is it actually toxic if I want to play this out?

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is it actually toxic if I want to play this out?

I'm thinking it's not actually impossible to win. it requires me always holstering the NK and shredding the POE via miselims + giving a vig after 3 gamedays. the game will be long enough to be complicated and paranoia inducing.

it's the slimmest of chances, but personally I think I'd play it out.

however, I'm aware of how the game can start to drag and become tedious and not fun and memes, so IDK if I should do that or just concede.

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let's play it out

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o7

Good luck and thanks for all the fish. If you win this game I'll personally compose a poem in your honor to use while nominating you for the well deserved scummy.

haha

gg TSQ, you'll be missed

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I want to at least get to day 8 or something. I think I made some good interactions with VPB, so now that TSQ flipped I don't look as bad as with the cakez flip.

uphill battle so let's get on with it

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activate nail forging

hoping ari checks me and furtive kills the doctor or something

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hehe this game is fun to play

IDK why people dislike playing scum

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give petapan a functional blade

I may change that later alright dats?

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I might regret this but pocketing aristeia seems too important now however slim the chance

give aristeia a functional blade

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I'm slightly lost now, to the point that my genuine thought is...

All scum hood, all scum hood, all scum hood!

a chance.

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the path to winning this requires me to flip MT before I can stop holstering my kills.

depending on how the day develops, I think it's possible to flip MT. then I would kill firebringer and fireisred, and hopefully aristeia shoots redff instead of me.

we're left with a 6er. me, ari, furt, peta, black, klick

I'll need two miselims. of course they're gonna be black and klick.

it's like a 2% chance of pulling it off but it's there

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ari says she is killing black. well I'm not dissuading her lol

okay I need to figure out what playing a long game requires from me and what playing a short game requires

we're flipping redff and that's bad bad bad bad bad because now I have to holster?

if I kill inside the hider thing, do they have auto?

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what's the checkmate? that's the first thing.

I need to figure out the f4 scenarios in which I win

ideally it'd be me, furtive, aristeia and the miselim

and I want that to be klick

now let's figure out the best plan to get there

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pocketing the towncore with vigs is OP

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I need to holster.

tomorrow we play a 8er: myself, aristeia, furtive, petapan, MT, firebringer, fireisred, klick

the firebringer/fireisred dynamics will be maintained for this gameday.

MT becomes the miselim. I have planted the idea of Lone and I keep pushing for it cause the MT hardclear means I can't mechanically win. that has to go, she needs to flip. tomorrow I need to hardcase MT to oblivion.

MT flips, I'll look wonky, but I think FB doesn't really think I'm a wolf anymore so he won't hide behind me. if he does I'll send a gift to the towncore and who knows. if he doesn't, ofc my idea is to kill fireisred/firebringer

what do we have then?

myself, ari, furt, peta, klick

that's auto.

I can't kill outside the fucking towncore. I have to kill petapan.

eliminate MT, then at night I have ari, furt, peta, fire, fire, klick

say I kill peta and keep the gun (looks wonky cause I'll have to claim giving the gun to the NK which is lots of my equity dropping to zero)

then we have ari furt fire fire klick

miselim klick? kill ari

furt fire fire myself

that's absolute bonkers though

IDK how I can win yet. flipping red sucks.

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I can't kill tomorrow either even with the MT flip.

myself, aristeia, furtive, petapan, firebringer, fireisred, klick

elim fire? I kill peta

me ari furt fire klick

elim klick kill ari

furt fire me

okay I see what I need to do now.

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my last gun will be a phony one

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myself, aristeia, furtive, petapan, MT, firebringer, fireisred, klick

elim MT

give gun to peta

me ari furt peta fire fire klick

miselim fireisred

kill peta
peta kills klick

me ari furt fucking firebringer???????

I can't 1v1 firebringer man wtf

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omg I'll have to 1v1 firebringer on a f4 with aristeia and furtive

but that's the game that's how we do this

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let's mafia you bunch of townies

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I might also have to cook a 3p claim

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also dats we have a hammer

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forge a nail

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oooooooooooo I should have read my role pm better

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that's horrible

well let's keep holstering anyway

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myself, aristeia, furtive, petapan, MT, firebringer, fireisred, klick

elim MT

kill peta

me ari furt firebringer fireisred klick

elim fireisred

kill aristeia

me furt firebringer klick

that's perfect I have a shot.

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how tf do I circumvent the fucking hider

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I'm pretty sure firebringer is also gated though

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FB is probably lying to deceive me from killing people. but I can learn that tomorrow when I claim gated.

if we don't flip MT I'm gonna have to give up on trying and start killing people at night for real.

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if i kill peta and ari kills black

myself, aristeia, furtive, MT, firebringer, fireisred, klick

alledgedly with fireisred cleared. but I think FB is gated. I'll claim gated and he'll have to confess instead of clearing a slot.

then we can mislim in (klick, fireisred, MT) we can actually mislim MT if the Lone argument can inherit factional

say we mislim fireisred

me ari furt mt firebringer klick

kill aristeia rip

me furt mt firebringer klick

that's good

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kill petapan

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good chance aristeia kills me tonight

exciting times

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well they do have auto apparently

but I can give them a run for their money iyam

and I might be set for f3 if they wanna flip firebringer next gameday

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they wanna kill klick and firebringer hides behind MT

no kill and we go to f6. flip MT and I kill aristeia. f4 has me and firebringer in it and he is the miselim I need. they do not have auto.

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I say what they need to do to win and they wanna do something else immediately

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full on tinfoil hat 'what if there's no groupscum left' fuck it let's win

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Gimli seems towny when he's explaining why it's me on previous page.x

fireisred mayyyybe? But also don't see why

I'll come back and look at how Klick aand..... I don't really have any o5her suspects but I guess Klick/fire/Gimli's interactions with scum would help.

this is why I'm going to lose

my d1 interactions with cakez are svs as fuck haha

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if MT comes from her POE'd down position to tryhard and catch me and win the game for town I'm gonna be very happy with that result

but I think I'm nailing her rn

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they're all towning it up ahsjdkh3

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the hider is too strong for lategame. I might pull off in terms of flipping every single person that isn't hardcleared, and I still can't possibly win the game

I might bet all my chips on FB lying about not being gated, and I'll go ahead and make a kill if he hides behind me. they have auto anyway otherwise.

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I'm gonna have to 1) not get firebringer's hide tonight, which means flipping MT cause he is townreading her and its organic and nothing I can do about it and then 2) hard defend klick tomorrow and get him flipped on a 'let's just end the game already' basis. without firebringer playing I can then miselim klick and win.

so the plan is flipping firebringer and removing their auto.

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oof. here we go with pushing firebringer today. if I get him flipped I have as good of a chance of winning as town, IMO.

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Is firebringer my traitor??????

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the case against FB got so good even I think he is mafia now

either way, I have a chance. flipping MT and klick will be extremely difficult though. I give myself a 5-10% chance of pulling it off. these slots are oozing towniness to an unbearable level.

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what's even worse is that there isn't a single potato player left, they're all insanely good at mafia

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okay.

I easily have the votes to flip firebringer, aorn. myself, klick (which was very important cause klick townread FB the entire game), furtive (but I gotta see if I dissuaded him from following FB's plan), and MT. the two people leaning elsewhere are fireR (idk what he is thinking) and aristeia (townreading firebringer but doubting that read 'cause he is nice to me so im biased').

best case scenario: flip FB, he is gated and fireisred isn't clear

either way if we flip firebringer I'm killing aristeia, I think. furtive knows me too well and I'm scared of spending too much time in thread with him, but he is not as clear as ari is and I don't wanna have aristeia hanging out for too long in this game. I've pocketed her successfully but this will grow old and if she pressures me I'll look bad.

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what if we kill firebringer and I go no nk

how fucked would that be

how more likely it is that this messes with all the clears

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that hinders the simple reality that I couldn't multitask

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I have some theories that I can use, one of them is that on n3 scum tried to kill aristeia and failed.

I can argue over TSQ rolecopping CSF instead of killing them, and that the kill came from some mystery 3p place.

IDK where to fit those with any tangible plans yet but I might need this later.

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I think I can step away and let FBer die now

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I should kill furtive instead of ari but I'm shooting ari cause she scares me more, even though the one more likely to catch me is furtive

I should remember I'm scared killing here and this is not very reasonable. yes ari destroyed my team. but who's more likely to catch gimli, her or furtive? I have this feeling that at any point now furtive is going to look at me and look at the things I'm doing and he'll feel my sense of opportunism and how I constructed my victory here. klick can do that too. but how likely is ari to come back to the game, really? I think she'll stay detached throughout.

I need to sleep on this decision.

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feels like I'm getting to f5

but from this point forward, any flip is town throwing. they think only aristeia and furtive are mechanically clear, but they're all mechanically clear.

I have said a great deal of shits about traitors and neutrals but the only other player seriously considering them is going to die today. my path is an absurdity. flipping FBer is huge and I'm still not going to go anywhere with it realistically.

I need control over narratives to a level I can't sustain against klick, MT, furtive and fireisred.

but I took it as far as I could and I'm really happy with this game nonetheless

[Gimli]

@datisi we have a hammer

also

holster

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also if everyone agrees I want a fast night

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simple path to winning:

flip FB, get furtive to f4 with FB screaming us to kill klick, then flip klick and achieve parity.

I need to make people organically want FB this gameday though. if they choose to lim klick I'm gonna lose an elimination and reach a dead end with the POE. even if we do lim FB later on, it's gonna be a f3 with mechanically clears and myself.

I do think the MT flip benefits me on the whole, but ofc we were 1 vote away from taking FBer down, and that would've been very sweet.

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omg omg omg omg omg omg omg

is klick my traitor??

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he keeps townreading me

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kill aristeia

You can lock in this action, dats. In case klick is traitor and we have parity.

Also I'm good with fast night

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I want to at least get to day 8 or something.

got my day 8

didn't think it'd be eLo tho

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on f4 I'm going to scumcase fireisred and try to convince furtive to move off klick. that way I pocket klick and try to convince furtive of something, instead of sitting like a scummy potato waiting for the elimination to happen. I think that will force a 1v1 between klick and fireisred. I just wait for whoever gets two votes first, and eliminate them. it's a simple task and I think we're playing a coinflip against town!

this last gameday will definitely be the hardest though. I need to post really hard throughout and control narratives that put the options away from me.

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I can't feel defensive though

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this is so much fun

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I might be shooting my own foot here by clearing klick like this, but clearing klick might be the only towny thing I'll do today

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I am also starting to bounce furtive around as an option in my head but I THINK it's paranoia

I've decided that it's very very unlikely that Gimli is scum here, enough that I'm willing to lose on it

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fireisred woke up from hybernation and is after my wolf pelt, that's very decent

if I'm going to win I'm going to have to earn it and I love that this is the case

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convincing fireisred that it is actually klick while siding with klick is how I get the w

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i do think he's played very well lately but i also think it's pretty likely that some of it has been specifically attempts to pocket you

fireisred is so good at mafia

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and it might actually be right anyway

pls push furtive pls push furtive

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I hope dead thread is having fun

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convincing fireisred that it is actually klick while siding with klick is how I get the w

mmm for full transparency my gut is telling me that gimli's arguments w me today are town

and rereading klick i actually thought the opening was fairly scummy

but then there's some stuff as it gets towards kidgame that makes it really hard for me to see it being klick

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as expected I think the odds of me losing are higher than my odds of me winning

I think I played the shit out of f4, they're just too good, especially klick

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datisi is it alright if I holster after no-elim?

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holster

fine w/ fast night

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day 9 I'll hardcase klick, I'll take him to the gates of hell

if they're gonna win they're gonna have to fight hard for it

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to me its clear that klick knows its me. he doesn't want to cause I pocketed him, but surely he'll figure it out

I have no reason to be treating him as an ally anymore

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hehe ofc klick thinks its me

I have anticipated a lot of what would happen in this game though, including his push on me and fireisred's push on me last gameday. the way it was played was the only way I'd win, I think? but I still don't know how likely it really is to pull it off. but maybe.

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the most important thing now that flipping me is less likely and I gained momentum, is to make sure klick keeps the possibility that I'm town tunneling on him very open. he was strong townreading me last gameday, and that's equity I can pick up again by talking it out. there's a chance he'll find furtive more likely, and that wins the game.

of course, in the thread I need to argue with fireisred that it's actually klick. but the way I do that has to be convincing for fireisred which is very hard, and it has to be convincing to klick. klick thinks I'm doing this to appease to furtive, but I'm not. if furtive scumreads me the game is over, but to win the game I need so much more than just having furtive on my side.

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Fire, I think you need to stop townreading Klick

I wonder how much this tunnel will disrupt klick to the point where he'll argue for limming furtive instead

I'm in good shape I think

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lost stamina with this game, it's too bad. it's dragging out for too long and I'm starting to scumpost rly hard

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once they had auto lmao now its this bullshit

it must be annoying as hell to be a townie in this game

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lmao i just fucking scumslipped

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datisi, I can keep holstering right?

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of course now im not holstering

kill klick?

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tell me the game ended lmao

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<3

btw you're the best mod

get well soon