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In post 15, Alisae wrote:
I wish I got wolf teammates that were as happy to play wolf as you are but maybe that's changed since I'm gone!
How did your wolf game go
hahaaha both of my original wolf partners repped out... great game! lol but we won
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Post #23 (isolation #12) » Sat Feb 18, 2023 12:07 pm
Postby Alisae »
In post 22, Andante wrote:
two-shots FruitVendor — each night, but only twice during the game, you may target a living player. Assuming no interference with your action, your target will receive a piece of fruit.
two-shots Messenger — each night, but only twice during the game, you may target a living player and compose a message. Assuming no interference with your action, your target will receive from the moderator the message you composed.
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Like, I'm guessing we have a combined 2 shots of fruit vendor and 2 messenger??
Not knowing the role is confusing me.. like, why did we get the same PM???
We're the same role!
There's a lot of ways we can play this. We can play as if we don't have roles. We can play as if we have roles.
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Post #28 (isolation #14) » Sat Feb 18, 2023 12:10 pm
Postby Alisae »
2 between the 2 of us!
We also know that a townie is informed that multiple people have misc actions and that there is a psychologist.
Do you think these are 2 separate roles or the same role?
Herta and Klick just came from the wolf game I had, so that should be fun!
How do you plan on playing to Klick? Klick is really good at adapting.
I expect Datisi and Ari to also be hard to play against.
Myko is a fossil I'm excited to play with them but I've never actually played with them, I can only assume that they're competent
In post 28, Alisae wrote:
2 between the 2 of us!
We also know that a townie is informed that multiple people have misc actions and that there is a psychologist.
Do you think these are 2 separate roles or the same role?
lol I had to look up what a psychologist is, whether a player is capable of killing... do we think that might mean town has killing power then? in a 9p game...
(I'm getting so used to fake guilties in games)
judging by our roles, I want to say town might not have any regular VTs, I think everyone might have something, if that makes sense, cause of balance
here is the sample pm for psychologist on wiki
Each Night, you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, you will learn whether or not that player has an unused active killing ability (which gives a "positive" result), as opposed to having no kill or a kill that has already been used (both of which give a "negative" result).
Wiki says
A negative result is returned from players that are unable to actively kill another player, or on a player that has already killed.
A positive result is returned from players that can choose to kill, but have not done so.
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Post #40 (isolation #20) » Sat Feb 18, 2023 12:23 pm
Postby Alisae »
In post 37, Andante wrote:
just embrace this "YOLO HAPPY TO BE HERE!!!" spammy version of andante lol (I can post, A LOT... hahaha)
I think if you can do this while mixing in contributions that look natural. Pump yourself up irl is generally the best way to go about this.
Villagers generally speaking are going to want to post thoughts or like a read whenever they get it or think it's natural to do so. If you combine this with that I think you will be able to control the agenda and drive the narrative in a way that I think could be very powerful.
In post 37, Andante wrote:
just embrace this "YOLO HAPPY TO BE HERE!!!" spammy version of andante lol (I can post, A LOT... hahaha)
I think if you can do this while mixing in contributions that look natural. Pump yourself up irl is generally the best way to go about this.
Villagers generally speaking are going to want to post thoughts or like a read whenever they get it or think it's natural to do so. If you combine this with that I think you will be able to control the agenda and drive the narrative in a way that I think could be very powerful.
You seem excited and I think as long as you can channel this as well as the want it more energy then that should be strong
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Post #45 (isolation #23) » Sat Feb 18, 2023 12:26 pm
Postby Alisae »
on one night you are going to have to use your ability on a townie and I am going to kill
on the other night, you are going to have to fakeclaim your ability on me while you kill and I am going to use one of my abilities on you.
I'm not claiming JOAT unless I absolutely have to. I having one person claim to have abilities while the other doesn't is like the perfect balance
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Post #47 (isolation #24) » Sat Feb 18, 2023 12:27 pm
Postby Alisae »
In post 43, Andante wrote:
The more I think about it, the more uhhh I think VT is a risky claim...like, VT with no abilities? I truly don't think town has any VTs
In post 37, Andante wrote:
just embrace this "YOLO HAPPY TO BE HERE!!!" spammy version of andante lol (I can post, A LOT... hahaha)
I think if you can do this while mixing in contributions that look natural. Pump yourself up irl is generally the best way to go about this.
Villagers generally speaking are going to want to post thoughts or like a read whenever they get it or think it's natural to do so. If you combine this with that I think you will be able to control the agenda and drive the narrative in a way that I think could be very powerful.
You seem excited and I think as long as you can channel this as well as the want it more energy then that should be strong
hahaha oh yes, excitement for DAYS!! I drove the narrative last game (every lim I asked for I got) hahaha it's just gonna depend how active this town is, cause if they're not too active, this'll be perfect! I'm just very unsure about a claim, cause I need that in mind, and then I just pretend to be that all game
They will be active. It will likely require a lot of energy.
I cannot move as freely around as you can.
I mean I can but it will put me on a lot of people's radars. I'm still unsure dayplay wise if we cross the finish line by tactical bus or together I can easily see us doing both
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Post #53 (isolation #28) » Sat Feb 18, 2023 12:36 pm
Postby Alisae »
In post 28, Alisae wrote:
2 between the 2 of us!
We also know that a townie is informed that multiple people have misc actions and that there is a psychologist.
Do you think these are 2 separate roles or the same role?
My answer to this is that I think this is all something 1 role knows.
I think us knowing 2 roles off the bat while also being wolves is quite strong.
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Post #55 (isolation #30) » Sat Feb 18, 2023 12:40 pm
Postby Alisae »
In post 38, Andante wrote:
Which is then like, probably a tracker or watcher if town doesn't have a vig? cause if there's a benefit to each of us killing, there has to be a drawback elsewhere
Tracker is probably a reasonable expectation. Something that detects motion. Watcher is on the strong end of this and that role is actually insane and should probably never be in micros
In post 37, Andante wrote:
just embrace this "YOLO HAPPY TO BE HERE!!!" spammy version of andante lol (I can post, A LOT... hahaha)
I think if you can do this while mixing in contributions that look natural. Pump yourself up irl is generally the best way to go about this.
Villagers generally speaking are going to want to post thoughts or like a read whenever they get it or think it's natural to do so. If you combine this with that I think you will be able to control the agenda and drive the narrative in a way that I think could be very powerful.
You seem excited and I think as long as you can channel this as well as the want it more energy then that should be strong
hahaha oh yes, excitement for DAYS!! I drove the narrative last game (every lim I asked for I got) hahaha it's just gonna depend how active this town is, cause if they're not too active, this'll be perfect! I'm just very unsure about a claim, cause I need that in mind, and then I just pretend to be that all game
They will be active. It will likely require a lot of energy.
I cannot move as freely around as you can.
I mean I can but it will put me on a lot of people's radars. I'm still unsure dayplay wise if we cross the finish line by tactical bus or together I can easily see us doing both
I prefer not bussing lol, but if you think I'm scummy and want to push me, go for it! I just think it's easier to win faster with more scum alive
I absolutely agree but I feel like this mindset is inflexible. I don't normally vote wolves as a wolf.
I exceed at tactical busses and I can easily see you needed to bus me. I'm super rusty and I expect Datisi Klick and Ari to be able to read me decently well. Maybe Ari and Klick I can fool but Datisi will be a lot harder.
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Post #86 (isolation #46) » Sat Feb 18, 2023 1:39 pm
Postby Alisae »
Honestly I'm not even going to claim the misc abilities.
I am probably going to claim tracker or psychologist
or doctor I love doctor that claim is pretty funny
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Post #87 (isolation #47) » Sat Feb 18, 2023 1:39 pm
Postby Alisae »
In post 83, Andante wrote:
he said he hates rvs, actively trying to push the game on, I find more often than not VTs like don't care about the game as much? idk definitely too early lol
A lot of players I feel like dislike rvs it really depends on who is driving the account.
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Post #90 (isolation #50) » Sat Feb 18, 2023 1:43 pm
Postby Alisae »
I think it's going to be difficult for us to try to make players like Datisi and Ari look fishy. Obviously we don't really have much to go off of right now
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Post #91 (isolation #51) » Sat Feb 18, 2023 1:56 pm
Postby Alisae »
Okay I thought about these roles. I think the role is designed in a way where we have a lot of options of how we play it. Fruit Vendor and Messenger are functionally the same ability with different results
I think most townies are going to opt to use messenger shots. It's a lot more useful than the fruit vendor shots.
When you use your message you should attach a piece of fruit to it.
With all of these factors in mind, the Fruit Vendor is the more wolfy aspect of the role. Messenger just does the same thing but better. I would be a lot more suspect of players who claimed to use the fruit vendor shot over the messenger shot but I think this really depends on context.
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Post #94 (isolation #53) » Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:59 pm
Postby Alisae »
Pretending to be Ari/Dats and sending a message to the other one sounds like it would be really funny but it kind of becomes obvious when the other one didn't do it.
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Post #96 (isolation #55) » Sun Feb 19, 2023 1:33 am
Postby Alisae »
In post 10, Andante wrote:
Informed — you know that there is a Town Informed who received the following information: "All players who can perform a Miscellaneous action have the same role, but not necessarily the same alignment."
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Post #97 (isolation #56) » Sun Feb 19, 2023 1:36 am
Postby Alisae »
If so then I think it actually is possible for everyone who has the role to just have that exact information.
Either way they're informed of SOMETHING. What they're informed off seems like it could be different based on slot but gun to head I want to say that "All players who can perform a misc action have the same role but not necessarily same alignment" is something that everyone who shares that role has.
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Post #98 (isolation #57) » Sun Feb 19, 2023 1:48 am
Postby Alisae »
I think this also makes sense as I think my slot is supposed to fakeclaim "All players who can perform a Miscellaneous action have the same role, but not necessarily the same alignment." for my information. Us knowing that makes for a pretty convenient fakeclaim
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Post #100 (isolation #58) » Sun Feb 19, 2023 2:34 am
Postby Alisae »
Okay ya in that case here is a play I think we can make.
Once the gamestate is a bit more developed, one of us should push for a massclaim of informed y/n
I don't think it would be a good idea to do this as of this post but I think once it's clearer what our way forward in this game is, we can try to do this when it's most opportune. As they say, seize the moment. I think we could easily sell the village in on it or at least sell the village that we thought it was a good idea. Little do they know they're helping us find the roles we want to kill.
Ideally we figure out what we're claiming by the time we decide to make a play. We probably should not crumb anything related to the JOAT (I haven't I assume you haven't either). Depending on the situation we'll probably either have the person pushing for said massclaim to claim the joat, and the other will either claim the joat or claim vt.
I'll list out what each of those scenarios look like and how we would probably want each scenario playing out.
I would expect 2 MINIMUM townies to share our role. 3 Is I think the most realistic number I would put in if I was the mod because then wolves can claim that they don't have joat abilities this way. 4 would be kind of wild.
I think this is what the setup likely looks like
2 Wolf JOAT
1 Psychologist
3 JOAT
3 VT
2 Wolf JOAT
1 Psychologist
2-3 JOAT
3 VT Or 2 VT and 1 more investigative.
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Post #101 (isolation #59) » Sun Feb 19, 2023 2:43 am
Postby Alisae »
I really want to say 3 JOATS to balance around massclaim. I think that's the amount that would instill the most amount of wine.
If only 2 inform claimed it then I think that makes those informed roles look better in late game situations. Idunno if only 2 people claimed to have said information, I would think that wolves are probably withholding information. I would say it seems too little but I wouldn't rule it out as impossible as 2 informed + 1 wolf informed makes F3. 3 just seems like the most natural number. I think if one of us gets in a position where they're claiming last, knowing how many informed claimed already can also influence what that slot claims. If we identify there is only 2 town claiming informed, and we're leading the massclaim, the person last to claim can say they're not informed and I think that's pretty safe. 3 I think is the golden number here.