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OH HAI GUYZ DOES ANYONE STILL REMEMBER ME

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oh what the fuck the chesskid me avvy switch is still on

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CHESSKID

oh yeah hearthstone

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Been #1 NA a few times, won some tournaments, so can help with stuff

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CHESSKID

oh yeah hearthstone

Ellibereth#1497
Been #1 NA a few times, won some tournaments, so can help with stuff

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I don't think there's really a "new meta" yet since everyone just trying random shit.
I'm *predicting* that in a few weeks things will be back to mainly patron and stuff that beats patron.

But regardless, whirlwind in warrior control is really only consistently good against paladin and face hunter and I'm predicting the latter to have a huge fall off because of refreshment vendor among other new cards so yeah, probably not worth a slot.

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Haven't tested, gut instinct is maiden usually better, I would try one of each for a while and see if you'd rather have the other one when you draw one.

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Looking at your list on the previous page, I think there are too many two drops, probably cut two of them and mess around and see what combo is better. Actually cutting 3 might even be correct.

You *need* the second shield slam if you're running 3 or 4 armor gain cards.
You need two of the dragon fire ele 5 drop.

So you need to open up another slot?
Proably cut chillmaw, if you want to test him cut boom or sylvi. If you have less 2 drops and do the cut I would stuff a belcher in.

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You're prolly going to need brawl and harri when patron comes back with a storm but hopefully people aren't that tryhard right now hehe.

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On a different note did they permanently remove the who's online bar at the bottom of the site.

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yeah I wouldn't run dragons for that card.
I'd run them though for fire ele dude and the new taunt dude they're both hella good.

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Patron

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no epics one nonpack legendary?
How do you define budget then?

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do you have naxx?

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hmmm
midrange hunter is pretty cheap
oil rogue with a sub for loatheb/thalnos if you can afford preps
aggro paladin/aggro warlock (the one without voidcallers)
face hunter is hella cheap but I don't think it'll be that good soon.

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actually take warlock off that list you don't have imp gang.

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I'd do rogue or hunter.

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hmmm, can i see your list?
add me in bnet, I'll obs you when I have time.

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not worth

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oh yeah chamber, assassination replacing loatheb prolly isn't that good
I would run instead

uh

a second teacher, or a second farseer are my first choices

or even assassins blade and cut something and stick an autobarber in
I don't think harri should be too popular for a week.

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do you have naxx

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if you don't have two doom guards the arcane golem face zoo is probably better zzz

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basically all of your one of's are hella weird where you have 1 of a good card and 1 of a shitty one.

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8 1 drops are fine in faster zoo without voidwalkers and malganis and just want to do a lot of damage e.g. the first deck here: http://puu.sh/iyn2e/1142baeee2.jpg

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(Don't copy those lists though haha, they're outdated and was a lineup I was trying for an EU tournament a few months ago).

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well yeah he should run that instead of squire

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what matchup?

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oh wait wtf 2 brawls cut 1.

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You don't "need" it against most decks, running 0 brawls was even a thing a thing before patron became a thing (and this was at mech mage's height!) except if the warrior was aiming for zoo. 2xBrawl only became a tournament ladder tech against specifically patron in the last 3 months or so.

Anywho, unless you're only playing against zoo and patron you only need one. I suppose its more annoying now since you would use to keep it against patron but dragon warrior might be even more popular right now so you probably don't zzzz.

Warrior control this late game heavy needs an emperor btw, true heart is good and all, unless you can get that third armor up in it's not really living up to its cost and emperor's effect is more immediate.

But yeah...I've been testing some warrior stuff recently and I think dragon warrior might just be better right now because they have 3 and 4 drops on curve. (Of note is that in aforementioned no brawl decks from half an year or so ago they sometimes ran double frothy double berserker as minions)...I would maybe drop a brawl for a harri or even a chow depending on climate, switch justicar for emperor, and I prefer ysera over alex when only running one big dragon, but this type of warrior is always going to struggle against midrangey minion based decks. (Zoo, paladin, druid, shaman).

I would actually go back to dragon warrior (I don't like alex champion so just run the good dragons + blackwing cards) since you have more minion control and straight face and straight control decks are rare right now as far as I can tell, which is what your deck mainly smashes.

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Maybe. It's definitely testable.
I think I'd rather just have axe though.

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but yeah, regardless, having solid stuff to play just seems better than the control warrior's plan of spell + weapon removal into big stuff.

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zzzz got 3 accounts to legend yesterday so sick of patron -.-

Rhino: I would buy packs until you can get a deck that can just stomp through adventures (Some form of zoo or face hunter), and then save up for the first two wings of naxx. After that it really depends on what type of deck you want to play. Arena is more worth and getting at least 5 wins should be pretty easy once you get the hang of things and you're also getting close to the range where you can just pay for it in cycle so that's the other option.

As for constructed, almost any aggro deck for any class where you just can stuff with burn and charge can get you to at least rank 5 pretty fast. wolf rider/arcane golem op.

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(I mean I found arena really fking boring when I started and just grinded constructed, it's not thaaat much slower if you don't mind just playing one deck for a few hundred games).

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uhhh, face hunter has like, a 70-80% winrate until like rank 5ish...so like if you go like 30-12 its around the same speed to 100.
But yeah you're right about the gold cap.

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same with like mech anything or aggressive zoo or aggro paladin.

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then you play patron and get legend kappa

I know arena's faster, I was just saying that you can just play constructed to get a collection too and that it doesn't feel that slow if you find arena hella boring.

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like I played no arena when I was grinding my first account and was able to get an okay tournament lineup in like a month and a halfish (albeit this is before naxx so didn't need to shovel out the gold for that)

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is blargerer someone here?

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Is anyone else playing in last call?

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blizzcon qualifier for people with >2 points and not in the top 23.

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very few people single digit

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BLIZZCON DECKS ARE DUE TODAY HELP.

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GUYS IS SECRET PALADIN REALLY THE SECOND BEST DECK IN THE GAME.

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okay paladin sucks im not bringing this

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just play control priest then
some pros have been working on it and there are lists that are potentially better than dragon.

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lightbomb fullfills the role of "now my deck doesn't autolose to patron"

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I'm pretty sure you can't. >.>

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I've played over 15k games of constructed what am i doing with my life.

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then enter some yo.

still salty over being knocked out of blizzcon zzzz.

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firebat's open thing is in a few weeks.

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strivewire and esl are by far best.

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and liquid occasionally hosts things.

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its good in rogue

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You've probably lost a lot with other decks too, but it feels terrible to lose using patron warrior. It also feels terrible to win using Patron Warrior. It also feels terrible to lose against patron warrior. It also feels terrible to win against patron warrior.

I don't think the deck brings much happiness.

I got golden warrior from 250ish wins in less than a week when the deck was first getting popular kappa.

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I kinda played like 10+ hourish a day for a period of my life. I think I'm almost at 10k wins through all my accounts now zzzz.

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WAS HEARTHSTONE MADE GREAT AGAIN.

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btw guys most pros have their own data sets but before I quit {a little over 9 months ago?} the general consensus was that https://hsreplay.net/ had the best publically availabe stats (the only real competitor was data reaper but that has issues). Some stuff was hidden behind a paywall back then, probably still is, but I remember the free info being okay. Tempostorm had some interesting things in that occasionally one of their opinions would be "correct" given both players are playing well (not taken into account in general stat compilers), but it's hit and miss since it's also mixed with some probably objectively wrong stuff and the reader has to parse between those themselves.

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For me Meta's are fun when most people (even at high legend) don't know how to properly play matchups that occur fairly often.

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It's also a lot easier to get an edge in tournaments when the envrionment is like the above.

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Eh that's too black and white.

There have been a lot of aggro decks that are signifigantly harder to play than control decks.

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For instance the misplay rate with aggro/mid shaman was a lot higher than handlock/control warrior a few sets ago.

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Whenever un'goro was.

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I mean I'd be surprised if it changed that much based on what I hear when I still lightly chat with people about the game.
But if it did good for blizzard~

For the whole period I was actively involved with the competitive community (goblins/gnomes to ungoro), playing whatever the best aggro/mid deck were often harder than whatever the best control deck was. This was clearest in old combo druid, tempo mage, and mid shaman. The notable exceptions were when patron and some form of miracoli were the best deck.

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Oh and freeze mage was ARGUABLY the best deck at some points in time but literally less than 5 people could play it well so idk.

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wild is the only good game mode. patches is far and away above the power level of anything in standard, but it stacks up well with the power level of wild.

Not enough sites carry info on Wild and as far as I know, most people never run wild, so I just keep playing standard. I think it helps that I kinda don't have the stuff that's tier 1 in wild

if you learn chinese there are a bunch

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There have been a lot of aggro decks that are signifigantly harder to play than control decks.

I mean, a lot of the meta Agro decks are meant to end before like 6 mana, so i don't really consider that to be "harder to play" personally.

And personally i prefer things like Dead Man's Hand and Exodia Mage, because i feel those actually have decisions that actually matter for the entire game, though i do know it's a lot harder to actually get the cards for these decks, and most people play Agro, which isn't fun for the decks i like

If you analyze "top" level matches you'll find that the misplay rate with aggro/aggressive midrange decks are often higher than others.

Again, there have been exceptions: (Some forms of miracoli, freeze mage, patron).