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I play 1v1 atm. Once I read up some good 2s strategy (and undo the fucking around I did in my placement matches) I'll play 2s. 3s and 4s are garbage.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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RC, you should include gateways in there.
Also either I'm retarded or Shanba's account info is off.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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It's Socke... There's an "e" at the end of that.
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(I frequent TL, for those wondering where the hell that came from).
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Flameaxe wrote:/in before idra's next tantrum.Spoiler: Semi RantSki mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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StarCraft has been a part of WCG since the beginning of WCG. They were playing in 04. JulyZerg might've won gold that year, have to check.ReaperCharlie wrote:
Omfg dude! WCG rocks! I went to WCG in 2004 when they had it in San Francisco. The Counter-Strike was intense! I don't believe they were playing Starcraft though, only WC3 Frozen Throne. Still though, it was awesome to see so many pro gamers and watch such high level competition.AGar wrote:I then met him personally at WCG USA that October.
Also, my friend won a free Audigy 2 ZS sound card and we all got free T-shirts, just because one of the staff overheard him yell "Motherboard audio SUCKS!!!". Yesssss, score.
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2011, they'll announce their circuit's schedule in January.
I'm going to try and go to several for coverage, for SC2 obv.
And RC - yeah, most likely. SC has always been one of the cornerstones of WCG.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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Meadowlands was absent this past year, unfortunately.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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HD and Husky should burn in the fiery pits of hell. ASAP.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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Are we talking about current represented skill or potential?Shanba wrote:Also whaddya think of this assessment:
Top Koreans > Top foreigners = mid level koreans > Mid level foreigners = mediocre koreans > mediocre foreignersSki mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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Yeah, that absolute lack of game knowledge that he spews is totally wicked.ortolan wrote:HD is leet, just thought I'd add
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Shanba, based on current performances, yes. The top koreans are better than the top foreigners who are then on par with mid-level koreans, and so on and so forth.
But in terms of potential, I'd say there are a lot of foreign players who, if in the right environment, have the ability to do greater things than most Koreans. The problem is two-fold:
1) The Korean culture is very xenophobic, thus leading to isolation often when foreign players travel to Korea, where the true tests are. Read about IdrA's or ret's experiences with eSTRO when they were Brood War progamers. The TL-oGs house recently is more of a success, and results are showing, obviously, with the performances of Liquid players. However, in the past, it has been very difficult for a foreign player to adapt into a scenario where he could be successful due to the social barriers.
2) Koreans look at SC as a potential job if they're good. An escape from poverty or a chance at a better life. Kind of how a kid in America looks at baseball or basketball or football. Foreigners for the most part always pick it up because it's a game. And it's fun. And hey, it'd be a cool way to make a living. But most of your guys traveling over there have a way to survive and live probably comfortably if they don't succeed. They're smart kids, they're young, and they have other opportunities outside of what they're doing.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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It's something to do with Blizz's background hidden MMR that "favors" people.pickemgenius wrote:I just played a 2 and a half hour game against someone.
I mean I couldve beaten him with brute force much earlier and shit, but I was watching a movie often times.
It was hilarious.
Also he was #1 in his division with like 2400 pts, and im like 30something with like 50 points but I WAS SLIGHTLY FAVORED.
although tbf I did win.
ITS JUST SO CONFUSING..??!??!!! I'll upload shit tomorrow.
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I'll probably buy for the next season, and the GSTL2.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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Apparently he's having wrist issues - wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't make the switch ever.Cyberbob wrote:foxer4lyf btw
I want flash to hurry up and have his sc1 contract expire so he can make the switch
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Honestly if you want to absorb knowledge on Zerg macro, watch IdrA replays/his stream/VODs. He'll be the best point of information, the guy plays straight macro.Gammagooey wrote:So I've been messing around with other races since it can't demote me with the ladder about to end, and have discovered that I am terrrrrible at zerg.
Anyone play zerg and have some advice for spending minerals faster? I've been massing speedlings with my extra larva but it would probably be better to get a few extra queens and take risky expansions for the extra gas, maybe even get another hatch or two in my main/natural. Any suggestions?Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmes ... _id=208343
I'm just perusing this now, but this is a massive resource for anyone out there.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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I'm going to exploit my connections with the pros to get lessons for cheaps so I can crush you all at The Reckoning.
Or I'll just pester them on MSN until they tell me to fuck off.
One of these is more likely.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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I think that honor belongs to me, tyvm. At least, for now it does.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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xRECKONERx wrote:[1] Well, to be fair, it's another full-length campaign (the same size as Wings of Liberty),[2] plus a bunch of multiplayer mods with new ladders for the [3] new units and buildings (lurkers, apparently). [4] I don't mind paying full price for it, especially since we won't even see it until Q1/Q2 2012.
[1] - Disagree. 20 missions are slated for HotS. WoL had 29. Brood War had 30 missions just as SC Vanilla did, but was roughly 1/2 the price. Paying full price for this is Blizzard testing their luck.
[2] - Doesn't make it a new game, these are just upgrades to B.net 2.0 that they could phase in without a new game (and probably should, to be fair).
[3] - Yes, but lurkers aren't confirmed afaik for HotS multiplayer, which is where it matters most to add/subtract units. Again, BW had 6 new units - 2 per race.
[4] - The time it takes Blizz to develop it shouldn't factor in.
I saw the TL coverage of the HotS event. I'm severely underwhelmed by what I've seen so far. I dunno, I'm anticipating the beta to see what we'll get out of it. Should be interesting, to say the least.
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scotmany12 wrote:I have no idea where this idea that HotS will be a full priced game came from. Blizzard has stated multiple times that both expansions will be priced as expansions.
Mainly because initially Blizzard had hinted that you'd be paying the full retail price for a brand new game on all 3 games since the split was announced. Only recently have they stated "We will be pricing HotS and the other Protoss lame-o x-pac as expansions."
I'll buy it no matter what, but the justifications that were being used for full-price were wrong, imo.
TheButtonmen wrote:Lurkers are confirmed not coming back, they never mentioned the defiler though so my wild pipe dream lives on.
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scotmany12 wrote:AGar wrote:scotmany12 wrote:I have no idea where this idea that HotS will be a full priced game came from. Blizzard has stated multiple times that both expansions will be priced as expansions.
Mainly because initially Blizzard had hinted that you'd be paying the full retail price for a brand new game on all 3 games since the split was announced. Only recently have they stated "We will be pricing HotS and the other Protoss lame-o x-pac as expansions."
I'll buy it no matter what, but the justifications that were being used for full-price were wrong, imo.
Except this is false. From the moment they announced that SCII would be a trilogy, it has been stated that the HotS and LotV will both be priced as expansions. They never initially hinted that you would be paying full retail price for all 3 games.
EDIT: http://www.starcraft-source.com/article ... ew/?id=261
They'll be priced appropriately to the content. Right now, the plans are to do something along the lines of a full single player campaign and some additional features to the multi-player side.It'll obviously use the same engine; so that, to me, is an expansion price point.If we decided to put in 3 new races and a bunch of new technology and features, maybe that would be a stand-alone product.But right now, we're looking at much more of an expansion-like feature set.
This all from August, 2009.
Eh whatever. I know I wasn't the only one in the community under that impression, and I specifically remember talking to some friends about whether we'd drop $180 on it or not, and we all pretty much agreed we would solely because it was SC2.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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I thought I totally /inned for that "We so bad" tournament.
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xRECKONERx wrote:AGar wrote:I thought I totally /inned for that "We so bad" tournament.
You did, you're on the list.
Shwing.
And the format looks good.
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Moratorium wrote:Consider that several players may have relatively little concept of how to adapt their playstyle based on the map. So I don't think you can go very wrong with just a varied list of map styles.
This just amplifies the idea that JDodge has seemed to broadcast with the map pool - it'll be cool, fun and they're well known.
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Also, is it worth considering Bo3 to at least try to lessen cheese for pool play, or is that just too many games... (and at this exact moment I'm thinking to myself I'm using way too many brain cells on a bronze/silver tournament).
Generally even a higher level tournament can get away with Bo1s for group play, although Bo3 is more appreciated in the non-Korean scene's players due to a high frequency of cheesy/all-in/odd "sniper" builds.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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ABR... just do your placement matches ffs.
Also, I got wicked bored earlier.
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But but... mine has a Friday reference...
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Also, people (who aren't on WoW and therefore don't yet have it) should just add my RealID - NW.Thrash.Unreal@gmail.com
Then you'll be able to hound me while I'm not doing anything on WoW.
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Role distribution then using some of the trigger commands in the map editor I assume.
I'm actually a bit miffed I never thought of something similar in BW.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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Moratorium wrote:how do you go into a final ace match, for 15 grand, and think to yourself "man, I'm gonna six pool"
Quite simply.
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2 Things:
1. TaKe's Homestory Cup III looks epic as fuck. I wish I lived in Germany just to be at the bar he lives above.
2. Is anyone else doing Fantasy GSTL on TL? I figured we could make a MS group if anyone is.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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Hey look, two good players and two mediocre-but-popular-because-they-try-and-emulate-Idra's-attitude type players.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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Otolia wrote:@AGar : I fail to see where are the good players in those four ... (Vibe, DDE ?)
ViBE and dde aren't garbage like CrunCher and Destiny.
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Starting a serious discussion : What do you think of the invasion of koreans in the western big events (like NASL Open) ? Is it good for the scene or will they deprive western players from valuable source of income ?
Keep in mind that only a few top NA/EU players are payed to train / make enough money of tournaments to make a living out of it.
1. You're wrong when you say that "only a few top NA/EU players are payed to train" Most top teams have the resources to pay their players decent salaries, and when the houses are formed, that alleviates some of the expenses.
2. Western players who have the income provided from their teams are not focusing enough on their gaming to be complaining about Korean's entering the fray. Look at Huk and Jinro. They aren't doing a weekly podcast that takes up two hours that could be spent practicing. And they aren't helping produce weekly shows. And they aren't casting some tournament on a weekly basis. What they are doing (well, Jinro's slumping right now) is destroying face in most tournaments they enter. Idra admits to only practicing really a few hours a day, because his mechanics are so incredibly refined from his 2 years in BW progaming houses where he was practicing for almost 12 hours a day, 6 days a week. And when he was doing that, he was raping face. Now? He's arguably still one of the best outside Korea, but the results don't show as much. The scene isn't fractured like it was in BW.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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Otolia wrote:AGar wrote:1. You're wrong when you say that "only a few top NA/EU players are payed to train" Most top teams have the resources to pay their players decent salaries, and when the houses are formed, that alleviates some of the expenses.
In France only MoMaN is paid to play starcraft 2 (and he is not the best player >>), insolence, Darkforce, Xlord aren't paid either. Grubby and ToD (former members of 4K) are still without teams and thus not paid. So far I know, EG fnatic, mouz, dignitas and TL (maybe coL now) have the resources to pay players on their roster a decent salary. Idra refused a scholarship to study physics to play starcraft ... he will probably regret it.
EG, FnaticMSI, mousesports, ESC, TL, compLexity, sixjax, dignitas - just to name a few offhand that I know are paying something to their players.
IdrA is making a comfortable living with EG, and will for a decent amount of time. Who knows what he'll do after this, but I doubt he's going to be miserably poor off after his tenure in progaming ends.
Grubby has his own team right now, "Team Grubby" and SteelSeries is sponsoring him, which means he's probably getting enough to live on. He doesn't have to pay the excess that some of the larger organizations need to in order to sustain his team, so he's set.
White-Ra's salary is above average for Ukraine (this is pre-Duckload/Thermaltake) and he was living comfortably on that.
My guess is mTw also probably makes enough, at least some of their players. I don't know their roster offhand.
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And houses are a korean concept, it's not really applicable outside, mostly because anyone with a ego would refuse to spend a miserable life playing 12 hours getting crushed by teammates until they can manage to qualify for a tournament ... that's also a reason why players like MC switched over to SC2.
This is relevant how? In NA, NASL is running a season that lasts roughly 15 weeks (let's just say 4 months). MLG appears once every two months. Other LANs are appearing regularly, all with significant prize pools. Every player (well, most every player) that played at DreamHack probably didn't pay much, if anything, to get there and only had minimal expenses. This means you have numerous opportunities to make decent money, even outside of Korea. Living in a house with other progamers (You could fit 6 in a 3 BR house, 9 if you really want to push it and the players are dedicated to this) alleviates some living expenses and gives you extremely valuable resources. And if this is your job and your living, be willing to put 40 solid hours into it, maybe even more. If I had the talent and was getting paid for this, I'd sure as hell be putting in the time. There isn't a single player outside of Korea who has any good reason to have an ego about themselves right now, and none of them should be bitching about "Koreans invading the scene." Work for it, dammit.
pickemgenius wrote:cruncher and destiny aren't garbage
They're decent players. But the only reason they're relevant to anyone is because they try and emulate IdrA's borderline unprofessionalism and rudeness. Cruncher's biggest claim to fame is a mediocre run in TSL3, beating IdrA (significant) and Mondragon (insignificant T_T). And the IdrA games can be more attributed to "IdrA, stop being an arrogant ass all the time," than CrunCher exhibiting a lot of talent. Destiny hasn't done anything worth noting yet.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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If SC2Ranks wasn't shitting itself, we can make a custom "division."
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Yeah NA has been down for the day. Ladder locks and other stuff I assume.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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BTW, for Season 3, does anyone want to work on 2s? I'm actually going to try and get good at this game for some reason.
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My goal is to advance past Bronze. Hopefully.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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For a mouse, I have the Steelseries Kinzu. I got it for like $20 when Newegg had a deal on it but it's still pretty cheap normally. Really good though.
If I ever get the cash to build a gaming tower and some peripherals (lolyearite) I'm going to get the 7G. Pricy, but I've used one before and it's wicked slick.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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Moratorium wrote:it's not the stage...
- It's Day[9]'s microphone not leveled to where he's constantly saturating the mic as he yells into it
- It's the main camera appearing to be operated by Micheal J. Fox, no one thought to invest in a tripod.
- It's Tasteless having to tell the observer every five minutes to look at something important happening
- It's the crazy awkward interviews
- It's the audio being mis-balanced where for the first half day your right speaker was twice the volume of your left
- It's "hey is your mic on? I don't think my mic's on"
- It's the plywood booths that look like they were made in shop class, which are too small (I thought Sheth was going to die in there).
- It's not setting players to busy and Alive having to stop a match because people on the internet were messaging him telling him what the opponent was doing
- It's the projectors apparently being misaligned and so the shots up on the screens for the audience were crooked
- It's the 30 minute gaps between matches
- It's the players not being ready despite those gaps and the announcers having to fill waaaayyy too much time
At the end of the day, it's a bunch of starcraft matches. If you want to see a bunch of starcraft matches, great, here's a bunch right here. But there's a bajillion tournaments now, I can see tons of quality matches between quality players. The inbetween stuff is actually more important to me now, I want to see the good hype and the quality production. And knowing that new viewers will maybe come watch the NASL, think "what's this rinkydink circus show", and be turned off from watching any other events, it sucks, I'd rather this just not exist. It's an embarrassment. GSL is awesome. Dreamhack was awesome. MLG has taken huge leaps and is now awesome. Hell, Homestory 3, a tournament run in an APARTMENT ABOVE A BAR, was head and shoulders far beyond awesome.
NASL is some kids who suckered someone into investing into "that e-sports thing" for the prize pool, and not knowing how to put a production together, much less a live final.
Players are well beyond capable of turning on DND. The administrators shouldn't have to hold their hands, and where is Blizzard's "major tournament LAN copy" that's been promised? Same for them not being ready, these players are all grownups. The booths are a result of not having unlimited funding. They aren't cheap, and as far as I know, WCG USAstilldoesn't have them. Did you buy a pass? Do you have the pocket cash to run one of these things better? Because not for nothing, these things aren't cheap to put together. The venue, the equipment - it all costs a LOT of money.
GSL has sponsors that literally put hundreds of thousands of dollars into pre-designed infrastructure (that GSL studio? That's been up for roughly 3 and a half years now, and was constructed by people who had been in the industry for as long as 8 years prior). Dreamhack and MLG have been around the block for a very long time (and still have duds, hello Dallas). Homestory 3? That had ESL's backing written ALL over it.
NASL is being run by, believe it or not, people who actually do know what they're doing. Xeris has been around the block so many times, and run so many successful tournaments, that this is literally just a small nick on his resume, assuming it isn't fixed up for the rest of the weekend (which a lot of the things that CAN be fixed will be). This production is far from perfect, but it's the first time these guys have done something this bigwithoutmajor corporate backing like the rest of the leagues that you cited have. Mistakes will be made, and things won't be perfect.
I have experience running moderate sized events in BW. THINGS WILL HAPPEN. It's not a "Well maybe we'll get lucky and have the perfect storm." No. Shit happens. Did you SEE MLG Dallas? GSL spent 3 seasons running a wonked format before fixing it up. OSL, arguably the premier Brood War league in Korea, auto-lossed a player because they typed an extra p while requesting a pause (ppp instead of pp) - because they couldn't see their screen I believe. WCG USA - an event that has been running for 10 years now I believe - is still one of the poorest and most terribly run events in all of esports. If I had a nickel for every time an major tournament - online or off - had some unexpected problem arise, then I'd be filthy fucking rich. TSL is probably the ONLY SCBW/SC2 tournament that I can think of that had a nearly flawless first run.
So until you start running premier level leagues with 0 flaws, lay off the people who have been doing it for over half a decade and do most of this purely out of their love for the game and suggesting that it'd be better off not existing.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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No, my reaction is "I've been in their situation, chill or run your own event."
Everyone jumping down their throats about shit is ridiculous. Yes, they made some big mistakes. No, I haven't seen you do fuckall for the SC2 community.
Your big thing is "Well MLG and Dreamhack are soooo much better." MLG has been around since 2002. DreamHack? It started in 1994. MLG has sponsorship from major American corporations who are in day-to-day life. Dr. Pepper, Sony, Stride, Bic - these are all massive corporations with money to throw around like candy. Who does NASL have? Some mystery investor and iBuyPower.com.
It's really really easy to throw this stuff at them from the comfort of your own living room. It's a whole different ballgame to be in the hotseat and have something catastrophic go wrong, and have to deal with that kind of pressure.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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JDodge wrote:Saying "I haven't seen you do better" is an illegitimate excuse if not just because we as fans still have the right to judge on that basis
I'm not saying he can't criticize. In fact, I even said there were some huge mistakes in that production.
What I was saying was he has no right to suggest they should just pack it in and he would "rather this just not exist," if he's not doing anything himself.
Some of those issues are obvious flaws - and the biggest was the sound, yes. Something tells me they have some amateur who had a soundboard in his basement running it, because I do know - and am shocked slightly that they'd be this foolish - that NASL turned down people who volunteered to do some of the more technical jobs (like the sound) for free.
The players not being ready is just a matter of them being like "Look, either you're fucking ready on time or your DQ'd. Plain and simple."
NASL had it's flaws, and the first season was not what most people expected. I expected a lot better from them, especially given the people that they have on board. But anyone suggesting that we'd be better off without a major tournament or league existing because of an initial bad run is afucking idiot.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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I'm biased, but yes I disagree. I've seen people who watched BW tournaments that had absolute shit quality production and still get pulled in, so I don't think it's as big a deal as everyone is making it out to be.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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JDodge wrote:AGar wrote:I'm biased, but yes I disagree. I've seen people who watched BW tournaments that had absolute shit quality production and still get pulled in, so I don't think it's as big a deal as everyone is making it out to be.
are you aware of the difference in viewing numbers between brood war and sc2?
No not at all
I'm also aware that people are mire likely to be intrigued by good games than bells and whistles.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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Otolia wrote:Except I was going for a forge expand and there is no ramp in Shattered Temple. I would have lost against any kind of early pressure, and I'm not even talking about early pool
Otolia wrote:Being able to pull off a good forge FE or a 3 Gate Expand for PvZ on any map is something I need to be able to do.
If you're playing to improve, you will also realize when a build just isn't going to work on a map, and putting yourself in a position to lose toanyearly pressure is generally not a good idea to do. I get you're trying to improve your mechanics yadda yadda, but yeah. Not a good idea.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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Sooo are we gonna do the whole
1) Play our placement matches at a similar time
2) Start a small group for serious practice
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I'm free sporadically with my time. For placement matches, I'm free tomorrow save for 5 PM - 830 PM EDT, and Wednesday any time before 10 PM EDT. After that, idk. Again, job issues may free up my time this week. We shall see.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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Last I knew, it was the 19th... did they push it back?Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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Aight, well I guess I'll just practice up this week. Dunno my schedule for next week yet. Hm.
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You'd be playing Terran, no?Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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Maybe go for Terran/Random hehehe.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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I'll be hitting you up soon.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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It really depends. He's said before he's aiming to try and improve his mechanics, so winrate isn't everything right now.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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