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Post #1 (isolation #1) » Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:58 am
Postby Ythan »
To begin, at the top of Sermon 1 it is said that he was born in the ash among the Velothi, anon (later) Chimer, before the war with the northern men. Conversely I generally see his people referred to as the Chimer as far back as the prophecies of Veloth or the eating of Trinimac. The prophecies certainly still precede them being called the Velothi: does this imply they reached Vvardenfell before Trinimac was eaten? Or is he referring to what we might call the Chimer as the Velothi and the Dunmer as the Chimer?
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Post #2 (isolation #2) » Mon Feb 07, 2022 8:02 am
Postby Ythan »
The conventional translation of Chimer is Northern Elves but if you consider the alternate meaning of Changed Elves they were changed both by initially following Veloth and again, probably more apparently, after the Battle of Red Mountain. I don't generally see contemporary Dunmer called Chimer though.
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Post #4 (isolation #4) » Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:04 am
Postby Ythan »
In post 1, Ythan wrote:does this imply they reached Vvardenfell before Trinimac was eaten?
I'm pretty sure this isn't it as I don't think there's any reference to Boethiah eating Trinimac contemporarily in the lessons but I'll be on the lookout now for it just in case.
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Post #5 (isolation #5) » Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:55 am
Postby Ythan »
What does it mean that "things unknown and known would fold themselves around [Ayem] until they were like stars or the messages of stars"? The things unknown and known folding themselves around her is straightforward given "her shadow was that of Boethiah, who was the Prince of Plots", but what does the bit about stars mean?
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Post #6 (isolation #6) » Mon Feb 07, 2022 12:14 pm
Postby Ythan »
Stars seems to imply the Magna Ge, but in what sense could that be? And what would the messages of the Magna Ge be? Escape the Aurbis? Magic? Constellations?
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Post #8 (isolation #8) » Mon Feb 07, 2022 1:08 pm
Postby Ythan »
In post 6, Ythan wrote:Stars seems to imply the Magna Ge, but in what sense could that be? And what would the messages of the Magna Ge be? Escape the Aurbis? Magic? Constellations?
This might actually all postdate Morrowind and the lessons, I can't find a reference to the stars as escaping the Aurbis before Oblivion.
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Post #9 (isolation #9) » Mon Feb 07, 2022 1:20 pm
Postby Ythan »
At the time of publication of this work stars had previously been referenced as the blood of Anu and also sometimes in Yokudan lore, I think the former is likely but not certain to be more relevant. No mention of escape by stars at this point, only Magnus and the connection between Magnus and the stars is not yet established I think.
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Post #10 (isolation #10) » Mon Feb 07, 2022 6:59 pm
Postby Ythan »
If things fold themselves around her until they are like the blood of Anu or messages of the same that would indicate stasis and I'm not sure what else at this point in the development of the lore. Seems tenuous. She is associated with stability I guess. If they fold until they are like the signs placed by Ruptga or messages thereof then that suggests direction to the far shores or their equivalent. Idk if any of this is meaningful or the stars are just a stylistic flourish associated with Ayem.
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Post #20 (isolation #17) » Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:59 pm
Postby Ythan »
Still don't really understand why she needs milk fingers to birth the image as an egg, seems counterproductive. I guess because her body is in some capacity going to become his body later on? That makes sense. But fingers plural? Idk maybe one becomes Muatra later and he has a spare.
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Post #22 (isolation #19) » Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:51 pm
Postby Ythan »
I wonder, would the forbidden teachings of Trinimac be Trinimac's teachings or Boethiah's through his mouth? Probably the latter maybe they're just forbidden generally like everything Dunmer do and not forbidden to Dunmer specifically.
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Post #24 (isolation #20) » Wed Feb 09, 2022 7:37 pm
Postby Ythan »
Boethiah's words in Trinimac's mouth fits more with the codes of Mephala and the prophecies of Veloth in my mind but he does say "even" and "forbidden" so maybe that is it.