New Rule: Replace the Word "Lynch" in Games

[Alisae]

why eliminate instead of "died"

Zoraster has died. He was a Vanilla Townie.

done

[Alisae]

Actually MU has its bot use eliminate instead of died.
meh i guess eliminate is fine

what about L-2 or L-1. Those terms technically have a meaning that includes the word lynch. Do we have to come up with a new term for this concept as well? Again, this matters to me because as a mod, I put in my votecounts when a player is at L-2 or L-1.

Also can't you censor the word on the board?
I'm pretty sure I would be okay censoring only the word "lynch" and nothing else because its a subtle censor that I don't feel like people would try to avoid it just to type their word.

Either way, I hate this change.

[Alisae]

I'm not sure that the mods other than maybe Penguin with newbies have made any rules regarding Lylo, Mylo, L-X, etc. that are abbreviations for lynch yet, but specifically L-X is easily replaceable with E-X if you want to be consistent right now.

i feel stupid for not thinking of this

[Alisae]

Either way, I hate this change.

lmbo

what i don't get it

[Alisae]

Enter this doesn't even affect mods.
It affects the players more because as players, its very likely to still use the word "lynch" due to the fact that we've been using it for years and we type it in the scenarios that its appropriate w/o even thinking about it.

[Alisae]

Enter this doesn't even affect mods.
It affects the players more because as players, its very likely to still use the word "lynch" due to the fact that we've been using it for years and we type it in the scenarios that its appropriate w/o even thinking about it.

Except that there is no rule that players can't use the word.

oh shit really then I have no problem with the rule cause it doesn't affect me then.

[Alisae]

This actually doesn't affect me then.
As a mod sure I have to change the word lynch around to something else, but to me thats not a big deal. I only put it in the final votecount when someone died and when I describe someone dieing during the day, I give them a death scene or just say that they died.

As a player my only real main concern was 312 and if I can still use it and play the game, then all of my concerns go away, and I actually have no reason to hate this change.

[Alisae]

This actually doesn't affect me then.
As a mod sure I have to change the word lynch around to something else, but to me thats not a big deal. I only put it in the final votecount when someone died and when I describe someone dieing during the day, I give them a death scene or just say that they died.

As a player my only real main concern was 312 and if I can still use it and play the game, then all of my concerns go away, and I actually have no reason to hate this change.

The mods not forcing not using it on you doesn't mean you should keep using it.

I'm pretty sure I still say "flip" when playing more then I say "lynch" anyway. I don't really think much about using either word because its kind of just automatic. And within the context of mafia its fine and people understand what I'm talking about. Thats all I really care about.

[Alisae]

This actually doesn't affect me then.
As a mod sure I have to change the word lynch around to something else, but to me thats not a big deal. I only put it in the final votecount when someone died and when I describe someone dieing during the day, I give them a death scene or just say that they died.

As a player my only real main concern was 312 and if I can still use it and play the game, then all of my concerns go away, and I actually have no reason to hate this change.

So we won't be punishing players for this, but we'd hope over time that we would just see lynch replaced in our collective mafia vocabulary. That's why we're choosing this top down approach of replacing lynch with other terms (be that eliminate or some other flavor). Our intentions are not to punish people or to police people's thoughts. Our intention is to shift site culture to better reflect the community we want to be. So no, you will not be punished if you use the term lynch as a player.

I appreciate this, thank you.

[Alisae]

While we're at it
I have the following suggestions
The word "wagon" should no longer be used, when black people were slaves in the US, they'd use wagons to carry stuff. Ergo it instils racist history into our game and may upset people.
The word "bus" should no longer be used, Rosa Park sat on the bus. Ergo using it instils racist history into our game and may upset people.
The Tracker role, should be removed. It may upset victims of stalking.
Execution / similar is also not acceptable, during the Holocaust, and still in many places in the world today, people were executed by firing squad, this may upset people.
Voting should also be removed, in America democracy doesn't always work ie Trump 2016 or Bush 2004. This will make people young innocent people to believe democracy exists, thus upsetting people.
Mafia the name, should also be removed, there have been many victims to the Mafia, especially in places like Italy. Don't be xenophobic and upset Italians who may have suffered!
FoS should also be removed! Pointing at people may trigger anxiety!!
Throughout many years many were killed by Ninja. Do you want to upset the Japanese or the fortnite players?!?!
Strongman should be changed to strongperson or strongthing! You don't want to upset people! Not only men can be strong!
Similar to tracker, watcher should be removed! For victims of stalking and voyeur stuff!
Beloved Princess isn't gender neutral!
Bomb should be removed as a role for the vets out there and the refugees!
Godfather, of course changed to godparent.
Hooker!!!! How dare you portray women as sexual objects with that word!!
Judas??? We aren't all from christian majority countries. This is not okay!!
Paranoid as a role modifier? Are we making fun of people with anxiety?
Virgin sexualises people!!

This ^ is all nonsense. Grow up. I'm not going to stop using Lynch. Either we ban everything incase we upset people, or we ban nothing. If we only ban stuff which upsets the black community, you're saying every other community hasn't suffered or they're suffering is invalid. It's disgusting, your attempt to be woke has shown just how much you hate races which aren't black.
This topic and new rule is baloney.

My friend's cousin's mum's dog's walker's mum's friend unfortunately committed suicide by noose. It's not much to go off but seeing it reminds me that people suffer, and that I should be doing what I can to help people. Removing it will negatively impact my gameplay.

^ obviously bullshit.
I encourage a lot of you to go join the "Im 14 and this is deep" reddit page. You'll feel at home.

what a meme

[Alisae]

ya know fun fact the French Revolution is also a lynching and the French are proud of the French Revolution, no?

[Alisae]

if not maybe I just don't know my history KEKW

[Alisae]

ya know fun fact the French Revolution is also a lynching and the French are proud of the French Revolution, no?

what

The french literally mobbed up against mobility and lynched them.
Is that not how that went down?

[Alisae]

It may be a small group, and not a loud group, but one nonetheless.

is it a group that is on this website

[Alisae]

VOTE: No Lynch

VOTE: end day

[Alisae]

VOTE: No Lynch

VOTE: end day

[Alisae]

VOTE: No Lynch

VOTE: end day

Ambiguous.

I disagree

[Alisae]

okay hear me out
what if
I want to play a game of mafia
and not have to have politics shoved down my throat
because when I want to play mafia
I want to escape from the real world political drama

[Alisae]

okay hear me out
what if
I want to play a game of mafia
and not have to have politics shoved down my throat
because when I want to play mafia
I want to escape from the real world political drama

The first step is to never go to the discussion half of the site

you're honestly right

this site cares WAY too much about politics.

[Alisae]

You're right ythan

I'm not very interested in politics and therefore I shouldn't express my opinion

Mb

Not you you're golden.

she agrees with me >_<

[Alisae]

Lynch is never racist. LMAO.
It is reference to the “witch trails”
Where people lynched and killed others who were said to be a witch.

There’s a big difference between “Racism” and “Witches”.

You're a town of salem player. You learned the game from Town of Salem. Fun fact, did you know that Mafia has been around longer then Town of Salem has?
Did you know that, that maybe, how Town of Salem adopted Mafia and spreaded it is completely different from the Mafia that was played on this site for 18 years?

[Alisae]

Great! So then you'll agree we should remove a term that is incredibly politicized by society, especially right now, to prevent that politicization from leaking into your mafia.

Its not politicized within the context of mafia.
Its politicized by people bringing saying "did you know that this term has a lot of racist background to it?"
or perhaps its politicized by a thread being globalized, reminding people that "did you know that this term has a lot of racist background to it?"

my personal opinion is that it doesn't affect me. As a player, my thoughts aren't being policed and this is good.
As a mod, I can make the edits needed.

I'm a Bernie Supporter. I live with a Bernie Supporter. She likes to listen to a lot of political postcasts w/o headphones.
I have also been annoyed in the past by feminists who preached misandry and justified it as promoting women.
I'm just saying, when I log onto this website, or actually for that matter, use the internet, I am not very interested in politics.

[Alisae]

Let's be real here.
If we actually cared about this, people would have persued asking site administration to make this change a long time ago.
In fact, Lycan did that and I just remembered that that thread even existed.

If people cared, they would have said something.

[Alisae]

Great! So then you'll agree we should remove a term that is incredibly politicized by society, especially right now, to prevent that politicization from leaking into your mafia.

Its not politicized within the context of mafia.
Its politicized by people bringing saying "did you know that this term has a lot of racist background to it?"
or perhaps its politicized by a thread being globalized, reminding people that "did you know that this term has a lot of racist background to it?"

my personal opinion is that it doesn't affect me. As a player, my thoughts aren't being policed and this is good.
As a mod, I can make the edits needed.

I'm a Bernie Supporter. I live with a Bernie Supporter. She likes to listen to a lot of political postcasts w/o headphones.
I have also been annoyed in the past by feminists who preached misandry and justified it as promoting women.
I'm just saying, when I log onto this website, or actually for that matter, use the internet, am not very interested in politics.

Ok, but you recognize that just because you aren't interested in politics doesn't mean that politics ceases to exist or ceases to have an impact on people. Whether you like it or not, the term lynch is political. Nothing we do on this site will change that. We can either accept it or try to ignore it, but it still will be political.

You don't get it and I'ma just leave it at that.

[Alisae]

Let's be real here.
If we actually cared about this, people would have persued asking site administration to make this change a long time ago.
In fact, Lycan did that and I just remembered that that thread even existed.

If people cared, they would have said something.

people change!

god why am i posting here this is an internal squabble

They change once they have a new concept/idea being introduced to them. Wow, thats that user totally wants to be the change they want to be for echoing "yeah go site adminstration woot!"

jesus fuck what am i even complaining about anymore, even i don't even know tbh

[Alisae]

Great! So then you'll agree we should remove a term that is incredibly politicized by society, especially right now, to prevent that politicization from leaking into your mafia.

Its not politicized within the context of mafia.
Its politicized by people bringing saying "did you know that this term has a lot of racist background to it?"
or perhaps its politicized by a thread being globalized, reminding people that "did you know that this term has a lot of racist background to it?"

my personal opinion is that it doesn't affect me. As a player, my thoughts aren't being policed and this is good.
As a mod, I can make the edits needed.

I'm a Bernie Supporter. I live with a Bernie Supporter. She likes to listen to a lot of political postcasts w/o headphones.
I have also been annoyed in the past by feminists who preached misandry and justified it as promoting women.
I'm just saying, when I log onto this website, or actually for that matter, use the internet, am not very interested in politics.

Ok, but you recognize that just because you aren't interested in politics doesn't mean that politics ceases to exist or ceases to have an impact on people. Whether you like it or not, the term lynch is political. Nothing we do on this site will change that. We can either accept it or try to ignore it, but it still will be political.

You don't get it and I'ma just leave it at that.

Just because you don't agree doesn't mean I don't get it.

ya i probably coulda just said I disagree and leave it at that as well.

this whole thread is insignificant in the grand scheme of things
ig it really doesn't matter ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Alisae]

If people actually cared about playing Mafia they should have made a site for it way before 2002. So I guess we should just never play it, too late now.

did those words just come out of my mouth oh my god what am i posting in this thread

[Alisae]

Lynch is never racist. LMAO.
It is reference to the “witch trails”
Where people lynched and killed others who were said to be a witch.

I missed this post what the fuck for real.

he's a town of salem player.

[Alisae]

Lynch is never racist. LMAO.
It is reference to the “witch trails”
Where people lynched and killed others who were said to be a witch.

I missed this post what the fuck for real.

he's a town of salem player.

And to think we complained about EM.

i think the difference is he just doesn't know any better and I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case.
Educate > flame is better here.

[Alisae]

Maybe we shouldn't have made a public thread and globalized it
maybe I'm assuming there is a problem when there isn't
maybe i am just stupid (actually its not a maybe, i am just stupid)

[Alisae]

Huh no wonder Lycan, the guy who’s so obsessed about a fucking word that BTW, no one seems to have a problem with, is ignoring me. He thinks I’m trolling lmao.

Has someone really came to this site and said “THE USAGE OF THE WORD LYNCH OFFENDS ME”
If it ain’t broke don’t fix it.

Could it change?
Sure.
But does it have to change because the system is broken?
No.

huh this was my stance on it 2 years ago.
huh, weird.

[Alisae]

You were just pissed off because you rolled scum at the same time as that thread and thought I as ignoring you there because you're fucking needy

I randed scum at the same time I wrote that post?
You remember more then I do.

also im sorry i can't help it

[Alisae]

You were just pissed off because you rolled scum at the same time as that thread and thought I as ignoring you there because you're fucking needy

I randed scum at the same time I wrote that post?
You remember more then I do.

also im sorry i can't help it

Yea it was dynamic duo and you cross repped for Plotinus. Proceeded to go nuclear and claim everyone was ignoring you when I was legit the only person not ignoring you.

oh yeah that was pretty stressful. Didn't I also take a massive break after that as well? I think I did. I know that game was stressful and I needed some time away from the game since it didn't seem like I was enjoying it.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Alisae]

This is not a thread to attack people or their stances on the matter. If you have such strong grievances with a post or a user please use the report function. This thread is open for explanation and tame discussion. Let's keep it that way.

Calling people out for their racist beliefs is not attacking people.

whats the difference?

[Alisae]

A much safer approach for the political quietists out there is just to ditch the word so the conversation is over and you can get back to playing. It's what most of the people supporting this change want to happen, too, in the end.

politics is stupid

[Alisae]

norwee ur avatar is facing the wrong way its triggering me

[Alisae]

norwee ur avatar is facing the wrong way its triggering me

Better?

i am significantly less triggered now.
thank you

[Alisae]

i bribe him with avatars

[Alisae]

Yeah Norwee if ur a player it’s ok but as a mod it’s just a couple of changes to ur templates

[Alisae]

For anyone bothered by the word lynch or using it in public due to its connotations, which I think this thread has established is a perfectly big number of people

For the record, I still don’t care about what word I use.
But perhaps, maybe those people “suddenly” became bothered by it ONLY because they were introduced to evidence that suggested its bad, and they were given a platform to express that and eliminate anyone who disagrees because if they disagree then they must be racist.

[Alisae]

LLD, is it okay to gun down people in the streets if you think they're racist?

[Alisae]

LLD, is it okay to gun down people in the streets if you think racist?

Yeah, the racists are the ones getting gunned down in the streets right now...

Yeah, I need to get out of this country if I care about my human rights. This is about to become a facist shithole soon.

[Alisae]

LLD, is it okay to gun down people in the streets if you think racist?

Yeah, the racists are the ones getting gunned down in the streets right now...

Yeah, I need to get out of this country if I care about my human rights. This is about to become a facist shithole soon.

By all means get the fuck out signed everyone.

wow, rude?

[Alisae]

LLD, is it okay to gun down people in the streets if you think racist?

Yeah, the racists are the ones getting gunned down in the streets right now...

Yeah, I need to get out of this country if I care about my human rights. This is about to become a facist shithole soon.

Alisae I can promise you that you and me and any other white people will not be at the front of the line for having our rights taken away under any impending fascism in the United States.

I wish the people on power would actually work on giving the people basic human rights like health care but unfortunately thats not how ruling works

[Alisae]

LLD, is it okay to gun down people in the streets if you think racist?

Yeah, the racists are the ones getting gunned down in the streets right now...

Yeah, I need to get out of this country if I care about my human rights. This is about to become a facist shithole soon.

Oh nooooo. People are asking you to stop using a racist term on a website. Your poor poor rights

its not about the word. I don't exactly care about the word. I'm argueing for the sake of argueing and what I dislike is that people think that being assholes for the sake of "taking action against racism" is ok

[Alisae]

LLD, is it okay to gun down people in the streets if you think racist?

Yeah, the racists are the ones getting gunned down in the streets right now...

Yeah, I need to get out of this country if I care about my human rights. This is about to become a facist shithole soon.

Alisae I can promise you that you and me and any other white people will not be at the front of the line for having our rights taken away under any impending fascism in the United States.

I wish the people on power would actually work on giving the people basic human rights like health care but unfortunately thats not how ruling works

Wow the mask is fully off rn, isn't it.

Tell me honestly, how much time DO you spend on chan boards?

First off 0, second off, I believe in treating people equally.

[Alisae]

Ari, don't get banned. I know what you are going for, but I am pretty sure the mod team has a policy against baiting people into bannable offenses. and sayign the N word would absolutely be one.

There are other ways to teach him. If that's your thing.

It's impossible for anyone to use that word; it gets filtered to [removed] (sic). I discovered that while trying to c/p a quote from a 60s Civil Rights activist into the USpol thread.

why couldn't the thread be "so we're filtering the word lynch to eliminate"

[Alisae]

Mafia - Gone

time to rename the website