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Yeah, no. ThinkBig and I just finished a game together and we were dicking around.In post 15, MisaTange wrote:I'm actually reminded of the strategy that scum sometimes use where they vote their scumpartner as a means of distancing
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For making something out of nothing."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Actually, I Townread uncertainty. Only scum has any kind of certainty right now. Admitting you're wrong, backing up and re-evaluating, that's a Townish thing. So we're going to wipe your slate clean, MisaTange, and chalk this up to you being a newbie. Maybe you're even net Townish from this? Yeah, maybe a little.
Back to RVS, I guess. I got no leads.
Maybe we lynch the Terminator.
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Actually, I feel this needs to be addressed more.
Badmafia players scumread uncertainty. Regrettably, in the 1.5 years I've been away, this site has been invaded by shitposting, overconfident newbies whose game has no sophistication. I'm not one of them, so I feel it's my responsibility to correct the damage they seem to have caused. Don't scumread uncertainty (when it appears genuine - this can be faked). Use discernment and don't let your head get too wedged up your own ass. Confirmation bias, tunneling, and an inability to re-evaluate your own reads are all signs of someone who doesn't have any real game.
#MissionToCivilize"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Qualified agreement. Overconfidence is one thing. That can be a play style, and a methodology for pushing a read. Broad, unjustified overconfidence is scummy. I see players who declare (in a serious, not at all joking tone) that they have the game solved four pages in, with shitty non-reasons for each. Town has zero reason to ever be that confident that early. You know who does? The informed minority, aka scum.In post 29, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I've actually experienced the exact opposite recently. People SR confidence just as equally."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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You, toaster. Down with the skinjobs!In post 44, Arnold Schwarzenegger wrote:
Okay. Who are we lynching?In post 43, milkshake wrote:Yes. Yes Arnold. Come with me if you want to lynch scum."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Way to take things out of context. That was merely the start of a conversation in which I ultimately decided I was misreading Misa. As for 'first' serious vote, I'd forgotten about it. 54 is my second serious vote, first I'm going to stand by."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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^My gut reaction to this is that it may be distancing/tactical bussing. It just plain smells fishy that they're so dead-set against one another. I've had very successful scum games where we come out strong against one another right from the start. Whoever wins coasts on early scumlynch.MisaTange wrote:VOTE: Sleepless Assassin
Cause I feel like that was an opportunistic case by scum rather than town
Your argument falls flat when you realize that I wasn't scumleaning Pine/TB at all. Not from the beginning, not at the end of page one. If I had been scumleaning Pine/TB due to their RvS exchange, I would have voted for one of the two in my 15. You've made a PBPA of my current iso, but you haven't noted that my vote was on Tyler theentire time before this post... I.E: Someone who hasn't posted at all.This post's vote is my first serious vote.I repeat,I never believed TB/Pine was scummy at all.Not even a gut-scumlean. I never suspected Pine/TB due to 15. In fact, Pine is a gut-townread atm (due to 25, willingness to help a newbie, but I also recognize that can come from scum as well).
I only needed to point that out in the world (as in: I recognize that Pine/TB might be universally-townread in this game, which I'm okay about atm) that town finds TB/Pine to be scummy enough for a lynch, Pine/TB's RvS exchange might be some means of getting to their partner, especially if their partner shows sign of scummy behavior. It's future-evidence, if you will. It's nothing to pursue because if we applied that scumtell to right about now in three-page, just-out-of-RvS, we're doomed to fail, even with the basic questions of "Is this scum-intentioned? Is this town-intentioned?"Which is why I sounded noncommittal before that post.Me pointing out those two RvS votes were in no means a way to properly scumhunt.
How am I able to scumhunt when literally all of the events of this thread are literally:
- RvS > Pine suspecting me due to 15
- Pine suspecting me due to 15 > RvS
- RvS > SA suspecting me due to 15
The others have been just asking questions which is NAI, and Kop promised to post since yesterday but that is also NAI (especially as I'm still assuming that everyone's busy with Thanksgiving).
PEdit - Reaching? Not at all. You quoted specifically the one thing that supported your position, ignoring the posts following it which explained the context surrounding the voluntary negation of that point. That's like, definitionally out of context."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Arnold. A Cylon is a robot imitating a person, from Battlestar Galactica. Because I was calling Arnold Terminator earlier. It was an RVS joke, because I didn't have any leads. We're past it.Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Who?In post 51, Pine wrote:Lame game is lame so far. Most votes on the Cylon
Being defensive is indeed a scum tell. Town care less for personal survival, more for investigating and lynching scum. If you drop everything as Town to defend yourself against an attack, you're Towning wrong."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Unduedefensiveness is a scumtell. If a Townie is under heavy attack from something that can be countered and defeated, they should defend against it. When a player moves into full-scale, drop everything else defense mode after one or two votes or a weak case not going anywhere, it's a sign that they have no investment in pushing Town objectives, only in not getting lynched themselves. That's a scum motivation."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Wtf are you on about? Tactical bussing works just fine in micros. If you do it in a larger game, it looks odd when the survivor lasts a long time. In a micro, you only have to run Town for a couple of days."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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It could conceivably be TvS, but the whole argument feels contrived and forced. This implies that one or both are scum. I've been saying this right along, are you not reading?In post 95, Kop wrote:
So are you saying it's Scum vs Town, or are you implying it could be scum theatre and it's scum vs scum?In post 92, Pine wrote:Shrug. I'm just saying it looks fishy. Until evidence suggests otherwise, they're both my suspects.
It definitely doesn't look Town vs Town, so they both need rope.
Judging this post, your implying it's the latter, if both need rope."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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What the fuck is this scumfuckeryIn post 117, milkshake wrote:Lil Uzi Vert, I agree with your assessment that there is not enough content right now to deduce anything substantial. BUT, the stance you have taken because of the lack of information is exactly what I advise against. You say you don't feel like voting anybody. Specifically you don't want to vote Sleepless Assassin, MisaTange, and Pine. Sleepless Assassin is the most relevant of these three because he has the most votes right now.
There is not enough content, yes. So, anyone has a 2 out of 9 chance to be scum. If you run the numbers, you will find a 2 out of 9 chance is good enough for the town at this point. If you feel apathetic, just join the bandwagon. Then the content will come.
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This looks a LOT like a scumbuddy trying to push a rudderless player onto the less damaging of two options.
I am still of the opinion that SA/MT is not Town vs Town, so that suggests a MT/Milkshake scumteam.
Game solved. You're welcome.
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Yeah, this supports it. Blatantly doesn't care about scumhunting, just wants to lynch someone.In post 81, milkshake wrote:Sleepless Assassin should agree with this vote. Bandwagons are good for making games come to life!
VOTE: Sleepless Assassin
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I can come back to SA/MT, this is shiny and obvious."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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This is also not a Town strategy.In post 98, milkshake wrote:Arnold mentioned Pine's comment that the exchange between MisaTange and Sleepless Assassin was "not town vs. town." I might as well note that I also didn't like Pine's comment. But I don't have any solid reads at this point.
I think the best stance at this point in the game is pro-lynching-anyone. The numbers back this up too. I think this strategy will serve the town well:
1. Bring someone to L-1
2. Listen to what they have to say
3. Someone hammers or someone doesn't. If the latter, repeat these steps."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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You use the word 'random' a lot in that 'analysis'. Your entire premise regarding random wagons is predicated on the notion that they are random. When scum fabricates a reason to push a 'random' wagon, it ISN'T random. There's a reason that using provably random votes it banned.
Bullshit analysis is bullshit."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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You've got it backwards. I think that there is 1-2 scum in {SA, Misa}, and milkshake's scummy pushing of SA over you makes SA Town and you the scumbuddy. You're the starting point, not the other way around."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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No. That's not what a fallacy is. Learn to English.In post 128, MisaTange wrote:Isn't doing something that has a lower than 50% chance (and because it has a lower than 50% chance) a fallacy?"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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No.
No, fuck off.
Take your moronic numbers and go.
Everything in those infantile percentages presumes randomness in the results, which is NOT factual. The results of games are not based on odds or calculations; if they were, it wouldn't be Mafia, it would be an Excel spreadsheet. Anything based on that sort of tripe would have Town subsume its agency to the will of fate, and allow only the Mafia a free hand to make changes. Why is it bullshit? Because it presumes that the Mafia are killing randomly.
They don't.
They kill threats to themselves, they kill active and influential Town, they target suspected Town PRs, and they let live people they think are easy to manipulate. None of that is factored into those odds, and calculations which ignore major variables are just bad science.
Fuck off with your bad science.
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Because that deserves to be voted all by itself.
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[quote=Your stupid article]All are basic games, with Mafia and Townies only, starting with Night and assuming random lynchings and night kills. The numbers probably do not reflect what the actual outcome would be if real games were played, as they don't account for the Mafia giving themselves away through bad logic.[/quote]
I mean, even the author here tells you that those numbers are not to be taken seriously. It was clearly a thought exercise, or meant as a guide to trying to balance games from a modding perspective.
[quote=That thing again]Only games with probabilities between 30% and 70% are included (except for 5 players, where 25% is the closest to 50%).[/quote]
They even admit to fudging their numbers! How are you not only taking that seriously, but apparently as word of God?
It doesn't even include percentages for 7 Town/2 Mafia. It isn't valid for this game!
Fuck off. Fuck off for real."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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The SA/Misa dichotomy still works for my analysis. Milkshake, for anti-Town actions.In post 150, MisaTange wrote:
btw Pine I directed this to youIn post 131, MisaTange wrote: Say I am today's lynch. Who is scum then on the world I flip town?"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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If there's nothing to be gained by talking, let's just random lynch. Hell, let's RL D2 as well. Then the day after that. Maybe we just turn this into an EpicMafia or Town of Salem satellite site while we're at it.
Fuck off. We don't neuter Town on this site. Get with the program or go back to where you came from."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 184, milkshake wrote:I'm going to say my point more passionately this time. Then maybe I'll let it rest. Or maybe not!
Most of the "scum hunting" going on in this thread is based on this idea: scum look at their role PM, have some sort of deep emotional shift, and can never again play the game correctly, instead making posts with all sorts of strange emotional motivations deeply affected by their desire to "fit in" and "look town."
This is a silly idea! Ignoring what is in your role PM and posting your true thoughts anyway is not hard at all! Under the one scenario when there is a possibility of your scum partner getting lynched, THEN you have to go through contortions, because you are the only one with motivation not to vote him. Town players have no information about him, and are as happy to participate as anyone else. Of course, if town players frequently refuse to participate based on "reads," then scum can just say they have a "read," and we have lost any hope oftruescum hunting.
For my part, at this day 1 juncture, I'm willing to participate in any bandwagon that gains steam. And all town players should be. If they aren't, we reach stagnation, which has sort of already happened, and as demonstrated in the previous paragraph we lose the most reliable source of information. Only when someone is near being lynched will we be able to make any sort of legitimate inferences about alignment."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 118, Pine wrote:
What the fuck is this scumfuckeryIn post 117, milkshake wrote:Lil Uzi Vert, I agree with your assessment that there is not enough content right now to deduce anything substantial. BUT, the stance you have taken because of the lack of information is exactly what I advise against. You say you don't feel like voting anybody. Specifically you don't want to vote Sleepless Assassin, MisaTange, and Pine. Sleepless Assassin is the most relevant of these three because he has the most votes right now.
There is not enough content, yes. So, anyone has a 2 out of 9 chance to be scum. If you run the numbers, you will find a 2 out of 9 chance is good enough for the town at this point. If you feel apathetic, just join the bandwagon. Then the content will come.
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This looks a LOT like a scumbuddy trying to push a rudderless player onto the less damaging of two options.
I am still of the opinion that SA/MT is not Town vs Town, so that suggests a MT/Milkshake scumteam.
Game solved. You're welcome.
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That's the start of it.In post 119, Pine wrote:
Yeah, this supports it. Blatantly doesn't care about scumhunting, just wants to lynch someone.In post 81, milkshake wrote:Sleepless Assassin should agree with this vote. Bandwagons are good for making games come to life!
VOTE: Sleepless Assassin
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I can come back to SA/MT, this is shiny and obvious."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Gah. This post right here. It's a scumpost.In post 229, milkshake wrote:Ok, I will join the Kop wagon.
VOTE: Kop
This will help things happen I think.
My heart wants Pine to be scum, because his play is based on such incorrect understanding of the game from my viewpoint, but I think that just because he disagrees with me doesn't make him scum. However he does seem to think I am scum, ha. I do think there's a chance he's scum, but anyway there's no votes on Pine. So it's a moot point.
How are you people not seeing this? A lurkerlynch over this crap?"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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I need to do a reread, and it's finals week. Give me some space. I should be clear in 24-48 hours.In post 265, Spade_Ace wrote:@Pine please vote for someone. Lil uzi hasn't voted for anyone. And am not sure we can get a replacement before the day ends."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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This.In post 271, Vedith wrote:
Do you enjoy being called scum?In post 270, milkshake wrote:or do a no lynch.
Post like this are going to do it.
We are not no lynching."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Didn't realize I was in prod range. I've had a busy couple of days (I had a minor house fire), but have been staying current. Sorry, I do this sometimes when I'm not especially invested and when people are being boring."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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