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Reading now, will have done before I head to work. Thoughts to follow closer to tonight.
That said, I heavily do not want to abuse the rooms factor very much. I'm at my best when I can see everything going on in the thread, even the stupid stuff. Also, I get really tired of Town thinking they have their neighbors pegged when they're getting played.
I'll listen if a couple of people want a room - goodness knows I kinda want to get LQ in one for a bit, just on general principle - but let's not make this too much of a thing.-
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Falling asleep here, (w/ sickness induced eyestrain) but I'll try to give some notes so as not to have completely lied.
Not much but light gut right now. There's a few good players here, is what I'm getting, and I"m not inclined to think I can do an in-depth read right now.
Postie & Pie are Town leans at the moment. I kinda want to see a bit more from her in terms of reads & stuff though.
Pie just seems all-around competent at the moment, and I'm okay with the directions he's chosen. The competent part keeps me from Townreading him until he's had time to do more. Still, mostly a positive.
BNP is meh - I don't really like 65, and just don't find anything appealingly Town in his posts.
LQ is meh, and I kinda agree with Pie RE 43.
Yeah, Pie is Town. LQ isn't moving much one way or another quite yet.
LQ's 80 is okay, kinda in line with what I'd expect TownLQ to be thinking. I'll give him a small notch up.
89, and I'm back to freaking wondering about everything. Frick my life, LQ.
Vyse and LQ: Get a Room. I'd like to talk with you in particular. Titus can join if she must. (No offense, Titus, but I'd prefer 2 right now.)
Read 94 - VOTE: BNL. Lil' too much 'weird is bad', and the use of 'non-Town thoughts' is kinda meh. What specifically looksscummyabout LQ, rather than weird?
99 - TY Titus.
132 - "Let me explain to you why you are scummy." Kinda meh on this. Sorta reminds me of the justifications I've seen friends pull on my homesite for scumreading people. Still find BNL more interesting at the moment.
So, this turned into a train of thought post about a third of the way through, but hopefully you get the idea.
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In post 149, BNL wrote:In post 144, VysePresident wrote:Read 94 - VOTE: BNL. Lil' too much 'weird is bad', and the use of 'non-Town thoughts' is kinda meh. What specifically looksscummyabout LQ, rather than weird?
I guess I used the wrong word choice. By "weird" I mean stuff I didn't like. And did you read the whole thing? I pointed out that some of LQ's posts were fluff - Posts that push the game nowhere. Especially the quoted part of 80- forcing people to think of an answer that does not bring the game anywhere is scummy. Also, I did not make any sense from the first two points I quoted, and this could be scum trying to confuse townies. I guess I could be wrong about my last point though, could be either aggressive scum or frustrated town. (LQ is still my strongest scumread though)
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In post 182, RadiantCowbells wrote:Any townie thing I do can be written off as that.
After playing that one New York with you, I'm personally waiting on a bit more confirmation than last time.-
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...Thinking about it. Not quite for the reasons you're saying. I've just played a hydra with him before, and I don't understand these conclusions he's making about himself or anything.
Doesn't help that you're not really doing anything Town though.
Only person I have a semi-concrete opinion on right now is BNL, so holding my vote for now. I'll probably be on more during the weekends, despite everything.
Heck with my eyes burning. If this doesn't get better, I may have to replace and avoid the computer outright for a bit. Hoping it's just a particularly nasty reaction to the virus I'm dealing with.-
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Titus or LQ, do me a favor and link me to that Suikoden game please.
Because for all that I find RC a pain to read on multiple levels, I do get the feeling like when Fire was insisting Soren was playing to his Town meta by 'not rolling over and playing dead', when, well, he kinda was doing that.
I do not understand the off and on engagment level here - it doesn't quite match what I expected after our last game. Part of the reason I wanted and still want that room.-
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In post 255, RadiantCowbells wrote:I've been helping a close friend move today and yesterday, and my last exam was on the seventeenth.
relax.
Also, how does getting a room with 2 people who are pretty damn likely scumbuddies omgusing me help you sort me? Why don't you actually talk to me.
Yeah, I know the feeling. Welcome back.
I meant sorting LQ. I've played a few games with him, and he initially was off, very briefly acted Town here....then faded out. It's not scummy per se so much as extremely weird, and Titus's defense is pushing me
You, I don't know. I'm going to be kinda blunt, after the last game I played with you (That one NY game highlighting stupid/hilarious Wiki Help articles.), I'm not sure how to read you. I had you written off as an arrogant, meaningless blip on my radar, and completely forgot about you once my newbie Townread on that one person turned out to be wrong. I mean, after glancing over your games, and later seeing how wrong I was about the one read, I just kinda let my weak read on you go. At the end of the game, I learned that it was your scum strategy to avoid attention by making so much noise.
I'm not very impressed by you pushing anything as such, for that reason. Noise from you is meaningless in terms of your alignment, apparently.
At the same time, I'm half agreeing with you, so I want a chance to get LQ in a different environment where I think I'll have a better idea of how he's approaching this game. That's one of the big pieces I need for this puzzle. I also kinda want to get to where you can't be yelling during the whole thing, because I know I have a habit of letting my doubts get a hold of me when people do that.
Kinda miffed that LQ wants Titus in it so bad, TBH. I have no real read on her slot yet. Hawk Eyes was a little better entering the game, but neither is screaming Town.
So, yeah.
If this seems like a lot of unknowns, that's because it is. This is partly due to my disengagement prior to this point. That's also why I'm currently just chronicling my thoughts instead of asking questions and the like. I'm literally working this out as I write it.
Actually, on that note, your thoughts on Inflatable please?-
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In post 251, LicketyQuickety wrote:
You came across, and genuinely still do, that you are not sure enough of things for me to think you are Town. You have been actively scum hunting, asking questions and generally trying to figure out and sort peoples alignments.
Was there a typo in this post, or am I just not following?
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Thanks.
Now to actually read the darn thing.
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In post 303, LicketyQuickety wrote:In post 302, VysePresident wrote:LQ, I'm going to need to talk fast, and probably in thread if you don't want me to switch votes.
I'm meh on this, but I'm in one of those slow funks, and not really Townreading you, TBH.
I dunno. Work with me.
You're free to ask me questions.
Really, I'm just trying to figure out why you don't seem to care about anything?
Hypocrisy aside, you're talking, but you're taking a completely different tone, and it bothers me, especially after looking over Suikoden. I'm kinda reaching the opposite conclusion of Titus, and...eh. You just seem to be going through the motions.
I mostly just don't want to lynch you early, but the only half-decent reason I have is a semi-stale read on BNL, to steal a line from somebody.
I feel like all my reads are stale, except Postie being Town, and some recent positivity towards Espeonage, and maybe RC. I'm literally getting my butt run off for the next two days before Christmas break is a thing, so...yeah. :/-
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In post 325, BNL wrote:In post 324, Hawk Eyes wrote:VOTE: BnL
I absolutely refuse to hammer the one townread I have in this game. Fuck that if it means policy. All claims are the same and every bodyguard can defend against scum so I'd rather no lynch.
I know that means no one will want to help me develop more reads here, but this is absolutely a scum wagon.
~Titus
This is absolute desperation right here, considering the fact that you are already voting me. Is this grasping at straws in order to save your scumbuddy?
Please provide an explanation of why LQ is town without reference to Sukidoen Mafia.
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VOTE: GAR: Vyse, RC, Pie
P_Edit: I started writing this a while back, and forgot about it. Posting now in the spirit of 'why not?'
I'll try not to live up to the expectations set by Pie. Christmas break happens for me after two more tricky days, and I think I can start managing stuff after taht.
So, at this point, RC wins the round. I am willing to hammer LQ, and will be on all night to do so. I just want the room hammered first, if possible.
Postie is probably Town. BNL is either a different take on the 'rigid Townie', or scum, and I favor the latter presently.-
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In post 343, BNL wrote:Oh and here's my plan of action:
Lynch LQ today.
He flips scum, lynch Titus tomorrow.
He flips town, Lynch RC, then Vyse.
If I do get lynched today:
Lynch Titus tomorrow.
She flips scum, lynch LQ
She flips town, lynch Vyse and RC.
LQ is a guy, Titus is a lady, just FYI.
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In post 329, VysePresident wrote:In post 325, BNL wrote:In post 324, Hawk Eyes wrote:VOTE: BnL
I absolutely refuse to hammer the one townread I have in this game. Fuck that if it means policy. All claims are the same and every bodyguard can defend against scum so I'd rather no lynch.
I know that means no one will want to help me develop more reads here, but this is absolutely a scum wagon.
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This is absolute desperation right here, considering the fact that you are already voting me. Is this grasping at straws in order to save your scumbuddy?
Please provide an explanation of why LQ is town without reference to Sukidoen Mafia.
This post....ugh.
This is post would be bad because you are basically trying to hammer the deal in a particularly stiff way, for lack of better words. (I'm darned tired, deal with it. Tired of failing to actually play this game.)
I don't like how your read shifted on LQ either. You're going from 'he's weird', to this gloating push to seal the deal. It's a bad enough post on it's own, but it's highlighting a certain lack of depth I'm seeing from you. I'm not buying it, but there it is.-
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Deal = Lynch. You want to lynch LQ still, as is clear from your post. This is not terrible, but the manner in which you do so indicates a particularly awful version of tunnelvision thatdoeslook scummy.
I'm summing your points up briefly, yes, but your reasoning on LQ is still rather superficial. Your opinion feels like it moves quickly, and for shallow reasons more related to timing than to actual engagement and growth. I have a couple points of hesitation, but with the deadline approahing, I'd prefer you to be lynched over LQ.
Dunno, I'm willing to listen to you a bit, but that's where my head is at present.
Speaking of which, please do elaborate on the chain of logic like I asked above.-
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In post 349, VysePresident wrote:In post 343, BNL wrote:Oh and here's my plan of action:
Lynch LQ today.
He flips scum, lynch Titus tomorrow.
He flips town, Lynch RC, then Vyse.
If I do get lynched today:
Lynch Titus tomorrow.
She flips scum, lynch LQ
She flips town, lynch Vyse and RC.
LQ is a guy, Titus is a lady, just FYI.
And I obviously disagree, but I'm curious what the chain of logic is here?
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My (Shorthand, to be expanded on, etc.) notes from the room would be as follows:
Strong Town (Would not lynch): Inflatable Pie, Postie, BNL, and obviously myself.
Pie's timing on that vote was good, and I like their overall reasoning. I'm not going to say it's impossible that he was bussing, but realistically we are so going to do this. BNL is Town based of Titus's push, Postie had some good content closer to the end of the phase.
Leans Town (Unlikely to lynch): RC, Espeon (Dependent on further contributions from Espeon. Scum do vote stupid occasionally.) (RC hard busses at the drop of a hat, but is at least sorta on target this game. His refusal to BG anyone irks the crap out of me, but so be it.)
Willing to lynch right off the bat: LQ, Bella.
Obviously, one is wrong, so Bella, I'd appreciate you chatting this up a bit, TY.-
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The thought did occur to me.-
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In post 409, RadiantCowbells wrote:I bodyguarded Postie, I just didn't talk to anyone else about it.
Like, I feel like I should be considered clear here.
1) After last game, there's no way I would have not RBed LQ.
2) I would never have done what I did with a scumpartner of mine. If I was gonna bus, I'd bus. If I was gonna defend her, I'd defend her.
3) If you look at the interactions between us and think either of us could have faked them, you're nuts.
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VOTE: GAR: Vyse/Postie
Fixing that too. I can't spell anymore. Good night.
@Mod - Please consider me V/LA for the 25th. I don't think activity will be an issue after that, but just in case, I'd like to make this official please.
V/LA noted. You can't vote for more than one room at a time so your room vote is currently on vyse/postie and no longer on bnl/rc. --P-
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In post 429, RadiantCowbells wrote:Bella where!?!?
And I'm actually thinking BnL isn't nearly as paranoid as I thought it was, and in fact it's probably the third most likely pairing after Bella and Vyse.
I'm trying to bite my tongue on self-meta so hard but if you seriously think I'm scum playing likethis.
At least you're probably okay after all.-
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In post 435, BNL wrote:@VP:
In #407, you listed your reads. Was this the general agreement in the room? If so, do you agree with all the reads, or are there some you disagree with?
No, it's primarily mine. We agreed on a lot, but not everything. (For one thing, only Pie got my alignment right. ) I'll let the others express their reads themselves, unless they go AFK for a very long time.
As far as relevance goes, RC & I were ready to dive into lynching LQ, Pie wanted Bella and Espeonage examined. I'm defaulting to the latter, now that the former is screwed.
Bella's absence is making this difficult. (Hope everything's alright for you?)
I wouldn't mind doing a room with Espeon later, if he'll be around.
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In post 439, Postie wrote:In post 417, VysePresident wrote:You can't vote for more than one room at a time so your room vote is currently on vyse/postie and no longer on bnl/rc. --P
Whoops!
VOTE: GAR: BNL/RC
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In post 450, InflatablePie wrote:I could type a mastin-sized wall of how in situations like these, flashwagoning someone to L-1 can give us a wide range of information, but as usual, lazy.
Short version because Google Chrome just randomly crashed on me, and I'm done.
I'm going to present a counterpoint in the form of my last scum game - I almost won a very difficult, nightless game in large part by nudging people into bad quickwagons. (My favorite would be lynching BBMolla a couple hours after he left for work. )
Quicklynches kinda hurt associatives, and I rather wish we'd played over a couple people to get a feel for this stuff.
Mastin is all well and good, but my only experience playing with them has been to see them hand scum the game, and also theorize that, as scum, I died by typingVysePresident KILLS: VysePresident.(This was a bad case of setup spec tunnel-vision, involving the kill flavor I died by.)
Finally, I know it annoys people, but I've literally never been mislynched once as Town in almost four years of playing the game. I don't want my first time to be because I couldn't get to the computer in time, or worse, because I let myself get lazy. (I mean, not that I've been the bastion of effort this game, and may deserve it, but that's beside the point. ) I'll be lucky to survive next phase. It'd be a miracle for me to survive both remaining lynches if we don't get scum.
I want this lynch to beright. I understand the risk of apathy, and I won't wait too long, but there are a few specific things I want to do first.-
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In post 477, Postie wrote:Bella should be getting prodded on Monday so we won't have to wait too long for content or a replacement.
And if you want that room, Vyse, it might help to put down a vote for it.
...Someday, I will remember how the room mechanic works. XD
VOTE: GAR: Vyse/Postie-
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In post 481, BNL wrote:Room: Vyse, Postie
In post 471, Postie wrote:
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... what was this question for? Were you trying to rule out (or gauge the likelihood of) whether LQ himself was the target or...?
Well yeah. If anyone claimed to have protected LQ I'd rule you and Espe out as he last scum due to knowing that scum is not trying to mislead me with my earlier thought process.
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Remind me to show you my scum games after this one's over, RC.
Heck, I usually have more to be proud of in my Town games too, but I've yet to fail to engage in a scum game once. Not sure how many of my thoughts I'm allowed to share, given that I basically talked myself back into this elsewhere, but short version.
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Dunno what to say. If you can't see the gears turning in my head easily, I'm at a loss. With any luck, I won't need to defend this game, and we can all just call it quits.
(I was about to repeat my thoughts again, but snipped because I'm babbling. If you really want them, I'll repost while we're waiting on Plot.)-
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