Micro 558 | Slavic Music Mafia II | Endgame

[Espeonage]

Soz I forgot to bookmark.

[Espeonage]

I don't think trying to break it is a good idea here. Because there is no way this time to make it so that it works even if the stacked person is scum it works for town like last game.

I'm keen on just going for it on an intended use or for fringe cases where people will work well with it.

[Espeonage]

I don't think trying to break it is a good idea here. Because there is no way this time to make it so that it works even if the stacked person is scum it works for town like last game.

I'm keen on just going for it on an intended use or for fringe cases where people will work well with it.

Why can't the past be repeated?

Rules got changed drastically.

[Espeonage]

Is that open rc?

[Espeonage]

GAR: Postie and RC

No qualms with that tbh.

[Espeonage]

GAR: Postie and RC

No qualms with that tbh.

How do you read the two so far?

Hi I am null on everyone. I have read the mods posts and like the first two and a half pages.

[Espeonage]

Vote: LQ

[Espeonage]

His shitty omgus is actually really shitty.

Mentality looks like he wants to ride his skill to mislynch people he doesn't want around rather than scumhunting to protect for later.
That's the best way I can put it without going super longwinded. It's more comprehensive than that, but I'm not sure how to put it in to words exactly and I also want to see if I am right without talking about it for meta'ish purposes.

[Espeonage]

Ok, that's totally not what I was expecting.

You're saying you think that he thinks that he can use his skill to mislynch me?

How does anything in that post suggest that his vote on me was serious? Plus, I'm notorious for tunneling people, town or scum, who vote me and am not an easy person to lynch whatsoever; would he really be interested in forcing such a fight unnecessarily?

My stance on him is that it's completely bizarre that he went from voting me in a very joking manner to treating it like a serious vote on the next page, which I think could very well have been a way to slide some of the pressure away. There's also the fact that he seemed really awkward responding to the request for a 1v1 like he wasn't sure how serious I was and was also scared by it.

@bolded: No. It's about the BNLp vote. A couple of steps into my thought process might help.
1. The vote is not meant to get him lynched or it would be being pushed properly. So what is the point?
2. Taking a reads list wall and declaring it from scum makes it less likely to be followed by the sheepy players in the game. Point is to discredit subtly.
3. This would be dangerous if not for LQ knowing that it is unlikely to be enough to get him lynched, so he can get away with the slight suggestion that BNLp isn't on the ball to the rest of the game.

So my point is that LQ is a good enough player to feel that a surface level scum points action like OMGUS shouldn't result in his lynch and so take the risk.

The trick here is that omgus isn't always omgus and just conflict in reads. I don't seriously think that is the case here.

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@RC, you are reaching to the extent that it looks foolish.

@Esp, where have you seen me try to mislych people like you say I am doing?

I haven't. My talk of meta has to do with mindset not action.

[Espeonage]

Can I get a room, not sure who with. But it can't be one of the people up for lynch and it should be someone I at least kinda know. It'll just be nice to have for night 1.

[Espeonage]

Get a room: Espe and Postie

Postie (and RC) aren't eligible for new rooms yet; they can have new ones in (expired on 2015-12-20 13:30:00), though. --P

[Espeonage]

Get a room: Espe and Postie

Postie (and RC) aren't eligible for new rooms yet; they can have new ones in (expired on 2015-12-20 13:30:00), though. --P

Get a room: Espe and Postie

[Espeonage]

gar: vyse, rc, pie

[Espeonage]

Unvote, Vote: Hawk Eyes

L-1

[Espeonage]

Well the good news is I was very wrong and have situationally cleared myself.

I might have gone full rambo on how LQ was the only real option for the last scum. So ya, 100% would not have risked him protecting whoever my kill target was were I scum.

The bad news is I was completely coninced LQ was scum and now I have nothing. Good stuff.

[Espeonage]

I think that's a lynch. Not phased seems like POE atm.

[Espeonage]

Espeonage³ has been prodded. He has (expired on 2015-12-29 09:59:55) to post or he will be replaced.

Ummm, kinda forced to post bud.

[Espeonage]

bc not online.

I did come on to prod dodge a few games after a party but missed this. But I legit just came on for like 2 mins, went post post post and left.

[Espeonage]

Hey peeps vla atm but letting you know I've skimmed and the people nature of the game has me cool with things as they're going on. For clarity sake and

[Espeonage]

Nye party still going. Will be back and playing soon.

[Espeonage]

hi

[Espeonage]

Get a room: Postie and RC

get a room

It takes 4 votes to get a 2 person room.

Postie and RadiantCowbells

(R-0): RadiantCowbells, Postie, wgeurts, Espeonage

<-- ROOM

Not Voting

(1):

Espeonage

, InflatablePie

Spoiler: Room Eligibility

2 more rooms toDay

: Espeonage, InflatablePie, wgeurts

1 more room toDay

: nobody

1 more room toDay but not until post restriction ends

: Postie, RadiantCowbells,

No more rooms toDay

: nobody

[Espeonage]

Ok my last proper post's end got swallowed. Was trying to say that I have yet to protect anyone this game if people are trying to work out actions. Sorry about that.

[Espeonage]

Why is postie completely clear?

[Espeonage]

eh k

[Espeonage]

Not really, I'd need to read her posts since ages ago and even then it's shitty.

[Espeonage]

I don't remember.

Lets go with weak town reads on you and postie based on action related things. Postie's is stronger than you because reasons.

My main reservation is your drive rn, but I think that's likely paranoia.

Would vote vyse slot first rn.

[Espeonage]

Is there a list of rooms throughout the game?

[Espeonage]

From a maths POV I think it's prudent to ask what the likelihood of a yoghurts wagon is.

If it is pretty low I don't see any reason I shouldn't be hammering right now.

[Espeonage]

I'll discuss that with postie.

[Espeonage]

because otherwise ipie votes me, I hammer ipie because I know I'm town and don't know if he is.

[Espeonage]

Because I see Ipie as less likely of fucking up than Vyse.

[Espeonage]

Not Blocking LQ when he was the flavour of choice for the next day phase.

[Espeonage]

really?

White knighting?

And that makes no sense. Presumably it's gunning for you to die tonight while postie is double protected. which means that if I'm not the lynch then no matter who we lynch today if the game is still going then the one not lynched is mafia.

[Espeonage]

you have my reason(s)

[Espeonage]

A threat is not going to get more out of me.

I would rather die with reliable viewpoints on the table than die, and be untrustworthy because I lied as town.

[Espeonage]

Like, for all I know you could be just thinking 'well, I need to lynch Vyse and Pie and kill RC so I might as well start leaving a trail today.'

Why should I beleive you're NOT thinking that?

You should be thinking that. What you aren't thinking is how it is exactly the same for yse and ipie and therefore null. We should be playing the 66% chance.

[Espeonage]

Then take the time to read the game and come to reliable viewpoints with fact based evidence.

I have read some of the thread and come to decisions based on that.

Saying that doesn't count is like saying a day one lynch is doomed for failure because there isn't enough evidence.

[Espeonage]

Probably, idk.

[Espeonage]

Well then take some time to think it through.

I'm not lynching today before I'm as close to positive as possible at the lynch

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Bolded is incredibly worrying and my would lynch pool has expanded to three names.

[Espeonage]

Good for you!

You're being thoroughly un fucking helpful and I have to wonder if I'm willing to take the chance of losing to Espe!scum here.

Vote: RC

for bolded in this post and bolded in last post.

[Espeonage]

Actually this eliminates lylo wifom if you are town and scum choose to kill their competition. Which is a smart enough play for me to consider.

I'm happy.

[Espeonage]

Oh no someone wants me to explain my reasoning so they can sort me.

They MUST be scum!

That is not why I am voting you. The fact that you missed that shows a lack of reading comprehension which is much more worrying than a lack of reading period.

[Espeonage]

that's a bit harsh.

[Espeonage]

Why is this creating such an emotional response from you when before this you could have played the numbers and still been acting with a greater than 50% chance town win after heavily assumed information?

[Espeonage]

You fucking absenteed the fuck out of the game.

This is true.

I asked you to stop absenteeing the fuck out of the game and take the time to read the game you fucking joined and you told me to piss off and voted me.

This is untrue as evidenced by last page.

That's not harsh whatsoever.

responses in bold.

[Espeonage]

The reason why I voted you, which I thought was obvious from what I bolded is because you are not playing to the way a logical town player should have from your position. You weren't using your obv towness as a tool to enforce the end of the game, and you also didn't entertain the idea of creating night wifom be gambiting with protection on yourself over postie after was assumed protection on postie.

Both of those don't compute to me.

[Espeonage]

A pivotal moment in a game is more important than the rest of the game.

[Espeonage]

You can take a chance and communicate with one of the leftover unknowns. This leaves you open to double bluffs and rolling with it. Both of which win the game immediately if you are aslo telling postie what you are doing and guess correctly. A chance that is worth at least some merit.

Now that I think about it, town you should have voted for a room with whoever you weren't voting for out of myself and pie, but that didn't happen either.

As for why you are town as far as I can garner the reason is because postie says so. At this point in time I am contending that.

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And FYI, me and Postie already had that discussion.

Then why didn't you enact it or set in motion the means to enact it?

[Espeonage]

And my obvtownness means shit here.

I die before tomorrow and I'm not positive on who I want the lynch to be.

That's why I want you to do some goddamn reading so I can see what you're thinking and know that you're fucking town.

I don't think this is complicated.

You obvtowness is being called in to question. Therefore any premise now that has a element that relies on you being town I will fight with.

[Espeonage]

Going to end this conversation before you infract a third time because I count two so far. Sorry about that.

[Espeonage]

and you did a third one.

Should have seen this happening. :/

You can reach out to someone, preferably the mafioso and spread as much wifom as humanly possible in to their head. Say you are doing a bunch of other things. As many possibilities as you can think of and never confirm with them. Then they have to make hard decisions on if they call various bluffs. Some of which leave a wealth of information if postie is on the same page and also deter from leaving you alive for wifom reasons.

[Espeonage]

Do I self hammer here?

[Espeonage]

According to rules your vote is still in play until ploti specifically says it isn't.

[Espeonage]

No better is, can you vote ipie right now?

Unvote, Vote: IPie

Pedit: because if I am wrong it becomes really disterous if end of day falls in a period I can't get online which is potentially likely.

[Espeonage]

Basically the chance of an accidental no lynch skyrocket.

[Espeonage]

neither do I

[Espeonage]

Yes,

and I'm not up to date.

[Espeonage]

Well, don't be.

I'm town, I know and scum know that

Postie won't lynch me

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I'll be dead, dw

that means I die

[Espeonage]

if you are town, will you ever entertain the idea that you are being played rc?

just for note taking purposes.

[Espeonage]

:/

you realise I am less likely to action now. Or if I do action to do something weird.

[Espeonage]

unless our friend here thinks you could be scum.

[Espeonage]

tbh I am thinking it was IPie, yoghurts is very very town atm.

[Espeonage]

nah not when he isn't paying attention to gamestate.

[Espeonage]

Well no reason to doubt him now he's dead.

Vote: yoghurts

[Espeonage]

If I had been around I would have brought up that I townslipped in the room with Postie and she never cited it. That was what I mentioned but never went through with with RC.

Also RC, can you forgive me for being obtuse. I knew something was wrong.

[Espeonage]

I'm actually feeling this was on my head quite a bit. I'm sorry guys.

[Espeonage]

If I had been around I would have brought up that I townslipped in the room with Postie and she never cited it. That was what I mentioned but never went through with with RC.

Where? I think I legit missed it.

My entire proof for LQ as scum was done in a way that were I scum, I had to block him. There was no other way for me to safely navigate a day phase when behind the 8 ball if there was a way for LQ to not be alive. It would have been shooting myself in the foot in a way that risked me being speed lynched while not in thread.

A town player would have brought it up because they are looking for reasons to townread people as well as scumread people. But a scum player looks for how to scumread someone.

It was your only missplay and I let it slide.

[Espeonage]

I'm going to be dirty about my play here for ages. Which is the sign the scum played really well so well done Postie.

[Espeonage]

If they really loved you they'd have a town role PM.

[Espeonage]

Well the good news is I was very wrong and have situationally cleared myself.

I might have gone full rambo on how LQ was the only real option for the last scum. So ya, 100% would not have risked him protecting whoever my kill target was were I scum.

The bad news is I was completely coninced LQ was scum and now I have nothing. Good stuff.

And then I leave.

*crys for days*

[Espeonage]

/pre-in for whatever ploti's next game is.

And I am very sorry for my activity. Lots of stuff was going on. Two Christmas retail jobs plus a very active social life doesn't leave much time for mafia.

[Espeonage]

/pre-in for next non blitz. I don't have the time every day for blitz sorry.

[Espeonage]

Lurking is always a null tell. No matter who it is.

Active lurking is a concept that has fallen out of vogue and needs to come back as a scum tell.

[Espeonage]

RC pls give me validation that I am not on your blacklist because I feel like I was right in being paranoid.

[Espeonage]

This is another game that fits me rule that if I haven't read the ruls I'm town. I didn't know scum had a roleblock until it got brought up. And I didn't know I could proxy my vote until the dead thread.

If I had known I could proxy my vote I would have been proxying it as often as possible.

[Espeonage]

Good luck with uni RC and thanks.

You're p cool. Don't beat yourself up about this game. We all have them. I had a game where I threw it in 5 p lylo as the third party when I had an unlosable position by not claiming. Shit happens.

[Espeonage]

Raises hand.

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No but serious. She played the appear as town because playing like town game.

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Ipie. We had no choice. In fact we only had until Ploti came back to lynch lest we be left with a voteless rc. He had infracted three times over the course of the argument so it was like lynching 2 minutes before deadline. Due to the way the votes were and who was around you were the only possible lynch before rc lost his vote unless I killed myself.