Micro 440: Triplicate Mafia - Game Over

[Lucky2u]

hmm... so far I want to vote both my group mates...

[Lucky2u]

Sorry for my absence, catching up.

[Lucky2u]

Well this will be rather easy for me today. GM seems town enough that I can just

VOTE: hopkirk

It's not that I feel strongly about Hopkirk, We could be the town block sure but I agree that discussion of that doesn't really gain us anything.

[Lucky2u]

I can't read Bert very well btw.

I do feel he's fairly obvious as town though.

Really? I'm terrible at recalling games but I swear I've lynched him twice as town because he was bait. Maybe he's just obvious town to you. Meh, I don't like using individual meta for a hydra anyway

[Lucky2u]

Okay now I like you fine

Sarcasm?

Scum-BBMolla tends to say random fluff unrelated to the game and try to stay out of the limelight.

fluff and avoiding attention is a pretty rookie scum tell of a player who's town meta doesn't include it. So you are essentially claiming that BB is obvscum when he is scum correct?

[Lucky2u]

Power: Talk more

I am now, and good morning had been, so you must mean hopkirk.

[Lucky2u]

Assuming BBMolla is town, and knowing I'm town, then there is a 2/3rds chance you are scum (1/3rd chance we're the townbloc). The chance of you being scum in my head is actually a lot lower, because there's a 40something% chance we're the townbloc (Pretty sure the townbloc isn't Wisdom) and BBMolla isn't confirmed town. The numbers aren't 100% accurate, they're mostly to show what I'm thinking in terms of how scummy everyone is.

This is a whole lot of non committal nonsense.

[Lucky2u]

Sarcasm?

Nope

I liked that response

OK... You can see how I had to ask because it looked like the quickest 180 ever right?

[Lucky2u]

So could you answer my question about why you didn't vote either of us if we were both suspicous?

Partially because the comment was an exasperated sarcastic comment and partially because I can't vote two people at once. While I didn't mean to be gone for two days, sitting back did reveal GM to be pretty dang town, so now I don't have to choose!

[Lucky2u]

because I wasn't wallposting.

for what it's worth, I like it when people don't wall post.

[Lucky2u]

^ no idea what is going in these last three posts...

[Lucky2u]

Before I forget: There are things I want to post if I get lynched before I die (which is probably going to happen),

but saying them now helps scum way more than town.

When it comes time to hammer all 3 groups, give me a chance to post before you do so. Thank you!

Hopkirk, you need to post way more. You seem to be posting

just

enough to not get prodded.

there are no power roles in this game so I am thoroughly confused what info you could have from a town persepective that helps scum more than town. nonetheless, I don't think we intended to hammer without atleast last second reads from dying town.

[Lucky2u]

@Zeb: Having trouble getting into the game due to lack of anything really catching my interest and being as confident as a can that i'm voting scum.

Even if nothing is catching your interest, you could ask some questions. It's probably a lock that it will be between you and me in our block, so how about we turn our attentions to the other blocks and input there.

[Lucky2u]

The problem for me is that I'm

not

scumreading you or BBMolla, and it's very frustrating. Either we're the townbloc, which is unlikely and shouldn't be discussed at this point in the game, or one of you two is a master scumplayer,

which is terrible for town in general and means I'll probably die D1

(I'm not exactly the towniest-looking player in any of my games, and I was being hammered until 5 minutes ago). I'm trying to get Courage to post more, since it seems only Wisdom is posting real walls at all, but when scum is in a townread and a leaning-townread and I'm widely being scumread I'm not sure what I can say to not die.

At this point I'd say Hopkirk, Witness and Perpetual are the scum, but Witness is my only real scumread. Hopkirk is leaning-scum and Perpetual is leaning-town, but not as town as BBMolla. ( I'm starting to suspect BBMolla simply because my main townreads my last 2 games have been scum in lylo. :/ )

P-Edit: Keep in mind these are page 5 reads. There's not going to be that much behind them compared to page 20+ reads.

I was about ready to cement a Zebulin scum read, but then I clicked his profile and saw two of the four games in his history are newbie games. With so little experiance, I am slightly more willing to change my mind that the above post may not be obvious scum fence sitting and might actually be indecisive town. The bolded section irks me greatly. I hate the semi-threat it implies.

[Lucky2u]

Going through lucky.
Lots of posts which don't say anything excluded.

hmm... so far I want to vote both my group mates...

Didn't like this post. He wants to vote us both yet doesn't follow up with any attempt to decide which? It seems like he was just waiting until one of us looked worse than the other.

Well this will be rather easy for me today. GM seems town enough that I can just

VOTE: hopkirk

It's not that I feel strongly about Hopkirk, We could be the town block sure but I agree that discussion of that doesn't really gain us anything.

Three problems i have with this post.
1.) Following on from the last post, it follows the scum motivation- just waiting to vote oppertunistly.
2.) Classic scum lylo crossvoting move.
3.) The last point is strange to raise. It seems like he wants to say what WP did but then, as he's worried about people voting WP for it, he makes a change to the end. Why raise it if he doesn't think it matters? I suppose it also accomplishes the goal of making it harder to argue against his vote on me- making it from lack of choice rather than specifics.

Addressing your comment on the first quote and point 1 in your list. As I said, I didn't plan to be absent, it wasn't me being oppurtunistic, it was just me coming back and having enough info to make a decision.

Point 2, this is LyLo? I haven't played this setup before but the "Classic scum crossvoting move" is a last day effort based on the fact that there is NO tomorrow. Therefor, the scum can make wild accusations that don't hold up with multiple days left. As that is NOT the case here, you can't accuse me of that, your point is invalid.

Point 3, how does it make it harder for you to argue my vote against you? If your argument is that I am scum, then nothing I say is relevent because I am lying.

So could you answer my question about why you didn't vote either of us if we were both suspicous?

Partially because the comment was an exasperated sarcastic comment and partially because I can't vote two people at once. While I didn't mean to be gone for two days, sitting back did reveal GM to be pretty dang town, so now I don't have to choose!

Quoting this purely to have his response here. No real comment except i don't buy it. Seems to reinforce what i was saying earlier too.

What seems to reinforce what here? It doesn't really relate to anything you said.

[Lucky2u]

This is the same (almost) as what i said i dislike about lucky

As i brought up in my last post, lucky basically does the same thing.

These comments were made in relation to Scipten and Witness. I don't know what it means that you would make these side comments relating your reads on them to me, but I don't like it.

[Lucky2u]

I don't know if I would qualify them as universal town reads so much as "the ones not being pressured".

[Lucky2u]

Ok, since this is a thing now...

hopkirk -> Goodmorning (vietnam!!!)

scripten -> beast -> serra

PN -> zeb -> BB

I would like to see everyone let their preferences know because I am seeing a pattern so far that is making me a little uncomfortable.

[Lucky2u]

Nonononono. Just because I'm townreading Molla doesn't eliminate the chance that Molla's scum, and I'm giving it a 60/40 chance that you're scum compared to BBMolla. Keep in mind I said you're leaning town. I'll vote Molla if he looks scummier than you or keeps lurking, because it's frustrating me.

This backpedaling makes me want to change my list...

[Lucky2u]

Possible v/la. Neighborhood is without power due to car crashing into underground transformer across the street from my house and causing a fire...

[Lucky2u]

Zek you are aware that three people are going to get lynched today right? Going into night 1 will have 6 players left. Day 2 will start with 5 (and potentially be LyLo). Your order of death is off.

[Lucky2u]

Zeb* autocorrect hates you.

Hitting 1 scum today will end up like this

A: Town, Town (dead scum)
B: Town, Town (dead town)
C: Town, Scum (dead mislynched town)

Scum will kill from A because they are both now conf town. Leaving us with

A: Town (confirmed)
B: Town Town (unconfirmed)
C: Town Scum (unconfirmed)

We will lynch between B and C for the rest of the game.

[Lucky2u]

You don't strike me as someone who fakes mistaking how the mechanics of this game work, and I think that mistake is more town than scum. I am happy with PN as your lynch target. So go do it.

[Lucky2u]

But in his model there are still 3 people alive in B and C tomorrow

[Lucky2u]

I'm going to ignore how I fudged up reading Zeb's list and just say "my bad"

[Lucky2u]

I don't have anything to say to Lucky2u as I understand why he scumreads me (almost by default in past games)

This must be Bert talking.

[Lucky2u]

Zeb, for humor's sake, show me your second and third pick orders for the groups.

[Lucky2u]

Prod dodge! Catching up...

[Lucky2u]

Yahoo! I forgot we were so close to deadline that I didn't get my last thoughts in. Didn't need it I guess. Tough spot to be in Scum, good game. Honestly I was starting to second guess myself on Hopkirk, if this day lasted a little longer I might have switched.