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Post #22 (isolation #2) » Wed Jan 14, 2015 4:10 pm
Postby Espeonage »
Btw, if you are a Jester. Can you please claim so we can lynch you.
With a game such as this. Chances are it's multiball with a large amount of scum that need each other dead. I don't want to have to deal with a Jester in the lategame because they will cause a Mafia faction to win to ensure they themselves win. I've personally done it before.
So. I am saying right now. If you claim Jester NOW. I will advocate us letting you win day 1.
Does the role he threw away do what I think it does. I can't find it even with search. If it is what I think it is then that would only be thrown away by scum.
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Post #53 (isolation #17) » Wed Jan 14, 2015 6:38 pm
Postby Espeonage »
Nah, it'll just be wifom. Everyone will just say that they used their VT.
I stand by my claim that anyone that claims Jester I will happily lynch to let them win.
If the Marathon is anything to go by, the fact that I managed to get town to lynch me day one by fucking the entire game over to burst my lynchproof then my slot was able to just sit until end game where myself and mafia lynched me for a combined win in lylo.
It is better to just lynch a jester in this game type. They will fuck up the game for town if they don't just get handed the win.
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Post #55 (isolation #18) » Wed Jan 14, 2015 10:39 pm
Postby Espeonage »
It goes Third Party >>>>>>>> Group Scum > Town.
However over the CYS games I did play as every alignment. I will usually play what I feel gives me the best shot at winning.
My logic here is that given the nature of Greatest Idea, being groupscum is not safe as you don't have any affordances because it is possible to be on your own without any balances generally given to 3rd party. I'd only go scum if I had a strong PR that works better on scum.
The discard is crappy, but could have used it as alignment. Esp pointed it out.
His reaction to my "Cop" discard was Meh. Not like Eystott or Esp. Christmas didn't even noticed. Diego understood it as an actual cop power (By the manner of his response) and dismissed it casually as if I had a better reason to picking something else.
Pointless power is pointless. It also can generate lots of reactions when others freak out about a cop getting discarded. Did you vote for RVS or for the Cop card?
Your response to why you discarded it was Meh. So we both agree that discarding cop is not that big of a deal?
No. The argument is that you thought it was a cop. Which is a big thing to discard. He knows it was a vanilla cop which is very different and useless in Greatest Idea.
In post 85, eyestott wrote:Bull, I'm a cop. The chance of you also being a cop is slim.
I want to hammer.
Why would I claim the one role that got me in trouble? Look if you are a cop, we can decimate scum with investigation. Also, you can investigate me tonight, and it'll show I'm at town. Lynch me tomorrow if I lied.
Because we've gone on about how good it is and you needed to find a good claim and fast. It just doesn't compute.
And that would be a waste of an investigate.
(Out of game: There are some great articles on the wiki about power role theory that you should read. Cop should always try and investigate someone that is hard to read but a good town leader as more often than not statistically a cop with hit town and it is the best way to maximise the positive effects of the innocent result.)
Ont hat note. istott, don't investigate me until tomorrow. Also if there is a protection. Pick either istott or Alch. It was a shame he claimed.
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Post #102 (isolation #32) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:13 am
Postby Espeonage »
In post 97, Diego1487 wrote:I crumbed my first four posts. Look at the first letter of each post. I C O P.
Still weird. The I doesn't fit. If it was originally pre-meditated I would expect a newer player to just stright out do it. Also, the C is not weird. It is what you would post anyway and the rest seems just like jumping at an opportunity because that was by the time the cop stuff that I feel sparked the fake claim came from.
I'd get him to explain the things wrong before giving him a free pass. He is not someone that we should be wasting an investigation on. When he does claim a result tomorrow, if he flips scum he then has introduced far too much wifom in to the mix.
And this still doesn't cover;
1. Why he took Cop when he didn't think it was that big of a deal when he also had MASON. and
2. Why he wouldn't just take Mason from those cards in the first place which is the stronger role.
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Post #111 (isolation #38) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:21 am
Postby Espeonage »
I already said I chose non town last game.
Him being a newbie just hardens my points because he gave no weight to Cop and then chose it over a role that is posted everywhere as being strong as hell.
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Post #123 (isolation #41) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:33 am
Postby Espeonage »
guille, if you think what I think you'll think on the 0.0000000001% chance that Diego flips town, then do it night 2. Otherwise go about your business.
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Post #125 (isolation #42) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:34 am
Postby Espeonage »
In post 122, eyestott wrote:You like me don't you espe.
You're obviously in love with me. <3
You're my second to top scumread of the people that have posted a decent amount so far this game. And by that I mean I am townreading you but the others are just percentage chance more likely to be town.
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Post #128 (isolation #44) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:36 am
Postby Espeonage »
In post 126, Diego1487 wrote:Ok so I'm getting hammered. Just to be clear, so in future games I don't make same mistake, I'm getting lynched mainly for my cop remark? I know there are other reasons probably, but if I don't make that remark, then I'm still ok? Because I truly was using that post to help my crumb. I needed a P and it felt like it would fit with being too obvious.
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Post #131 (isolation #45) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:38 am
Postby Espeonage »
In post 126, Diego1487 wrote:Ok so I'm getting hammered. Just to be clear, so in future games I don't make same mistake, I'm getting lynched mainly for my cop remark? I know there are other reasons probably, but if I don't make that remark, then I'm still ok? Because I truly was using that post to help my crumb. I needed a P and it felt like it would fit with being too obvious.
Basically your claim does not fit with anything you posted. There are wiki articles on fakeclaiming. They are worth a read.
But Why should I trust you? This is my first game with you. Well, just you.
Look. You don't need to know what it is. It is something based on pure educated speculation and if I wanted more information to be out there I would have said so.
You should take all of my advice on cops from earlier btw.
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Post #134 (isolation #47) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:43 am
Postby Espeonage »
In post 133, Diego1487 wrote:Well, clearly I'm not ready for the major leagues yet. I'm going to state one more time, I am Town Cop. Believe me or not, it's the truth, and with two confirmed Cops, Town should win. Either way, do what you must.
Even if I believed you.
1. Cop is weaker here than normal slightly. There are stronger roles. Not enough that cop should be scoffed like what got you wagoned but town is actually in a good stead at the moment. I think I know what three people are and town is looking very strong.
2. I appreciate you have to do the last ditch effort, but it never sways people. The correct play is to be as loud as possible, maybe fakeclaim who your buddies are. Just make a mess of town.
1. Seer is on the page too. The difference is outlined.
2. I would have asked when I crumbed.
3 would be logic but I conceed that isn't something he is likely to know immediately.
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Post #181 (isolation #55) » Sat Jan 17, 2015 9:38 am
Postby Espeonage »
I had a quick look at the thread via phone and someone said something about a vig. Which is hella unlikely with so few kills. Chances are one shot was mafia, other shot was wolves.
One of istott and Trow is scum.
guile may be scum but I don't really think so.
slimer is probs scum due to numbers.
Alch is still conftown
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Post #183 (isolation #56) » Sat Jan 17, 2015 10:00 am
Postby Espeonage »
1. Because I didn't know that was what was chucked. And also not the reason I voted him.
2. Town recruiter.
3. The fact that the game didn't fly first roll because too much scums.
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Post #185 (isolation #57) » Sat Jan 17, 2015 10:29 am
Postby Espeonage »
I was looking through Grand Ideas thread.
Ok, now as I said I feel far less comfortable as scum in a game such as this because I have no idea if I will have a balanced scum group. There may be a heap of scum but I have no guarantee that I will actually be able to survive if all the other people that were to choose scum were in different factions.
I went SK last roll because I would have been hella strong with my role combo and SK is reward in itself because it's my favourite alignment.