Micro 395: Role Roll Mafia (Game Over)

[fuzzybutternut]

VOTE: Bins

STOP BEING SCUM DAMN IT. :'(

[fuzzybutternut]

Vote: fuzzybut

I bet my cat's butt is more fuzzy.

Nothing is fuzzier than teh fuzzy :3

[fuzzybutternut]

looks like we got ourselves a mexican standoff boys.

[fuzzybutternut]

Oh, Edo's in this??
This should be fun.

[fuzzybutternut]

no. There's only two votes on each "wagon"

VOTE: fuzzybutternut
Now we have a real wagon.
I suggest we all lynch my masonpartner.

I love you too Edos.

[fuzzybutternut]

Have we really got three wagons in day 1?

This post looks weird.

Noted.

[fuzzybutternut]

Okay I can see where that interpretation might have come from. I read that as(Edosurist's second post) people should post more.

Okay.
I'm feeling fisky.

Light Town reading fuzzy, seems pretty light-hearted, plus from the back and forth, looks like a history with edo (this also was why I asked edo his thoughts).

Will post more later, I have a child breathing down my neck, wanting my phone.

Edos and I played together a lot when I first joined the site (or maybe it was towards the end of last year).

[fuzzybutternut]

Not much else stands out and just all null.

Maruchan: why did you tie the votes up?

because he's Maruchan. Don't expect a lot out of him.

[fuzzybutternut]

I was finding it funny that we had 3 wagons page 1. My vote on farside is homestly not serious and was more to uphold the 3 wagons, I will change it once I start seeing scum reads etc.

RVS generally starts off like this.

[fuzzybutternut]

Yeah, this is my third game on the forum so I wouldn't know that.

I know.

It's fine. I'm just informing you for future games. It's not unusual for an RVS to have a wagon that leads on for a few days (or even multiple wagons like this one). You can sometimes pull information from it, but it's most naturally used as a gateway into actual voting.

[fuzzybutternut]

I have a pretty town read on Fuzzy, I think.

I've played with Fuzzy as scumbuddies but then again, I've never played the start of a game w/ Fuzzy as scumbuddies.

[fuzzybutternut]

UNVOTE:

Just in case anyone tries some shady shit.
I'll be gone most of tomorrow for a memorial service. Try not to lynch anyone.

[fuzzybutternut]

We need more posts, too little content...

you can ask people questions too yknow >.>

Ok, explain to me why you aren't scum and why I shouldn't vote you right now.

that's....loaded.

[fuzzybutternut]

I'm not answering that. lol.

[fuzzybutternut]

What type of player are you as town vs scum?

Me:
As town I'm pretty bitchy, I watch how people interact and I get aggressive. As scum I tend to sit back more and then get aggressive.

The correct answer to his question (and all question like it) is it doesn't matter what or how I say I play as any specific role. For instance: As scum, I'm really laid back and tend to go with the flow. Do you believe that? Because if someone told me that, I wouldn't believe them and you shouldn't either. If you're going to push for someone's lynch, you need to have solid evidence of why that person is scum. Not because he/she is playing differently than they said they would play as a specific role. You will never, ever, see me play the same way as a certain role more than once.

/IC

Now then, since I'm home, let's get down to brass taxes.

[fuzzybutternut]

@xox88(sorry I can't remember your name.) fair enough.

It's VOODOO reflected.

Not gonna lie, that's pretty sick..
I approve.

[fuzzybutternut]

What type of player are you as town vs scum?

Me:
As town I'm pretty bitchy, I watch how people interact and I get aggressive. As scum I tend to sit back more and then get aggressive.

The correct answer to his question (and all question like it) is it doesn't matter what or how I say I play as any specific role. For instance: As scum, I'm really laid back and tend to go with the flow. Do you believe that? Because if someone told me that, I wouldn't believe them and you shouldn't either. If you're going to push for someone's lynch, you need to have solid evidence of why that person is scum. Not because he/she is playing differently than they said they would play as a specific role. You will never, ever, see me play the same way as a certain role more than once.

/IC

Now then, since I'm home, let's get down to brass taxes.

I meta research people to see if they are lying.
It's why I like the question.
Would you like an example?

@x88: as I said it was my impression when reading your post.

Meta is perfectly fine, but it shouldn't be something you base reads off of. If you really want to meta me, go ahead. I have over 80 games on this site and, save for my very first few, I've never played the same in any of them.

[fuzzybutternut]

Plues there isn't anything consequential going on that requires my input

I rest my case.

[fuzzybutternut]

If so, How good are you at finding scum playing under the radar when you are town?

Just saw this for whatever reason.

I'm mediocre at it. I play this a lot differently than other people. I don't look for scummy things. I look for things that scum would do to look town.

[fuzzybutternut]

talker in mafia

That's an understatement.

[fuzzybutternut]

Goddamnit Bins. You're scum aren't you.

[fuzzybutternut]

Goddamnit Bins. You're scum aren't you.

What prompted this?

Actually, no. Just tell me in the mason thread.

Will do.

Farside seems new to me. thats not to say he is or isn't scum, but he's definitely new. It'll take a bit for me to be able to read him.

I'm not surprised by maru's play at all. He's prob scum, but I'll deal with that later. He'll fuck up eventually.

[fuzzybutternut]

Farside seems new to me. thats not to say he is or isn't scum, but he's definitely new.

Lol. She's been on site since 2007.

I really liked your reasoning for your Bins scumread which you posted in our mason thread. Maybe you should post it here for everyone's benefit too.

Thank you for correcting him. Not sure why I read as newb, I am the let's get know each other type.

X88: I'm curious to know what you think when you read this post

I dont know why I said farside....
I meant wguerts...
Sorry

[fuzzybutternut]

o.O What happened?

[fuzzybutternut]

Weird...but okay.

It'll be interesting to see what comes out of those slots once replaced.

Anywho, thoughts for today, gentlemen?

[fuzzybutternut]

Mabye they were caught private messaging?
I'll take a look through all posts sometime tommorow.

It's not worth speculating about atm. We can talk about it post game (or whenever/if it ever becomes relevant).

That post from Maruchan didn't really sit well with me either, but I wasn't going to say anything at the time. I just noted it and went along.

[fuzzybutternut]

That post from Maruchan didn't really sit well with me either, but I wasn't going to say anything at the time. I just noted it and went along.

Why weren't you going to say anything?

Because stating how you feel every time you have a thought isn't exactly a good thing.

I'll answer your question publically when I feel like answering it.

[fuzzybutternut]

Lissa is town. I'm almost sure of it.

[fuzzybutternut]

I thought Edo and fuzzy were joking about being neighbors though.

I like her. Can we keep her?

[fuzzybutternut]

On another note, I think Maruchan's pretty conftown for his jump against me and fuzzy for our fake mason claim.

I think the opposite, actually. I see it as more of an opportunistic approach to a situation he clearly misunderstood.

[fuzzybutternut]

I'm just really not liking how he is framing me, I'm trying to spark discussion in the neighbour thread and he goes and tries to kill me. He better post a reasonable defence and then I may rethink but for now my vote will sut on him as to pressure him into reacting. Reactions always have the best info.

Maru is really easy to pressure. I'll let that decide his alignment.

[fuzzybutternut]

Actually I want to question lissa once more. What are your thoughts on maru now that he's explained his reason for "forcing" a townread vote. Also fuzzy how does it feel like an opportunistic approach?

It feels opportunistic because he immediately jumped to the conclusion that we're scum instead of analyzing the situation and realizing it was a joke.
Scum do things like that to make it look like they're scumhunting so they look more town-like.

[fuzzybutternut]

That's unfortunate. I liked Bins.

Secondly, we're not lynching anyone without a good reason to and I would absolutely be against lynching someone before the new replacement comes in. I've done it before. It doesn't work out too well.

[fuzzybutternut]

wgeurts, what's your history with mafia?

[fuzzybutternut]

wgeurts, what's your history with mafia?

2 games before this on another forum and 4 ongoing games here.
I am a town PR, to put it like that and the second Marucham found out about this he's pounced on me, I believe I made a big mistake here which I can't undo as I seriously believe Marucham is scum.

*sigh*
Never claim PR on day 1.

We're not lynching Wgeurts today.
We're not lynching Lissa today.

Maruchan, maybe.
I want to hear from everyone else.

[fuzzybutternut]

For me it kind of felt like she had reread the posts and genuinely changed her mind which I thought was townish. It's all in how she did it.

Basically this. I mean, I can see scum doing this, but I don't think this came from scum.

[fuzzybutternut]

@Mod - Please replace me. I'm taking an indefinite hiatus from playing. Sorry all.

Sad to see you go man. Hope everything is alright with you and I look forward to playing with you again in the future.

[fuzzybutternut]

Alright,

VOTE: Maruchan

He's trying to justify it now.

P-Edit: What's "breaking the rules" about that?

[fuzzybutternut]

wgeurts, what's your history with mafia?

2 games before this on another forum and 4 ongoing games here.
I am a town PR, to put it like that and the second Marucham found out about this he's pounced on me, I believe I made a big mistake here which I can't undo as I seriously believe Marucham is scum.

he claimed 5 in neighborhood talk.

5 is vanilla neighbor


scum caught.

/endgame.

dav back me up broski.

All of this is heresay and like I said before, we're not lynching him today. We don't lynch claimed PRs D1. Period. End of story.

[fuzzybutternut]

Hmm. Yeah, yesterday was terrible.

I'll mull some stuff over and get back to you.

[fuzzybutternut]

Vote:Fuzzy

Explain yourself.

What exactly am I explaining?

[fuzzybutternut]

Because I completely misunderstood my role.

[fuzzybutternut]

Town Aligned Number 7. Strong willed Roleblock and Vanilla Cop investigation.

I thought I would block ALL roles. Both incoming and outgoing.

[fuzzybutternut]

Also thinking about it now I don't like fuzzy's claim about maru being opportunistic because why can't it just be maru thinking about it really being a neighbour claim. He fails to consider the town viewpoint. He "assumed" you and Edosurist were scum because it was a CLEAR contradiction to his own role. What else was there to analyze?You seemed to be calling the guy scum for not getting a joke rather than actually doing anything scummy.

I said his approach to the situation was scummy and it was. He wasn't paying attention. That's not my fault.

[fuzzybutternut]

Did you get a cop report?

"Not vanilla"

Yolo, did you visit me or Wgeurts last night?

[fuzzybutternut]

So you're claiming scum then?

VOTE: Yoloswag123

If no one else visited him last night, you're the only person that could have killed him.

[fuzzybutternut]

Fuzzy was the only one that visited Wgeurts

YoloSwag visited him too.

[fuzzybutternut]

Also, Fuzzy claiming he thought a "strong-willed roleblock" blocked incoming actions was weird.

The way the role PM stated it made it sound like all actions would fail. I wasn't actually expecting him to die last night. Go read it yourself.

[fuzzybutternut]

If he was scum why would he make a claim like that before lylo

Because he knew I wouldn't claim first. By calling out that I visited Wgeurts last night, he exposes a Town PR without exposing his role directly.

Speaking of, Wanna claim, Wgeurts?

[fuzzybutternut]

EBWOP: Yoloswag123***

[fuzzybutternut]

@fuzzy
So if you thought all other actions would fail, why did you also do a cop investigation?

What sense would it make if my actions failed too? That would completely negate the roleblock. I KNEW my actions would go through, but I didn't think anyone else's would. I told you. I completely misunderstood my role PM.

[fuzzybutternut]

@fuzzy
So if you thought all other actions would fail, why did you also do a cop investigation?

I understand what you're saying, btw. That's just not something you think about when you're roleblocking someone. Like, your first thought would be "I'm going to roleblock and investigate him, in case he's lying." not "I'm either going to roleblock him OR investigate him, in case he's lying." It never crossed my mind that, because I roleblocked him, my investigation might fail.

[fuzzybutternut]

Why investigate him?

I didn't see a reason to investigate anyone else. Could he not have been lying about his role?

[fuzzybutternut]

but you said we weren't lynching wgeurts?

Because he was a claimed PR and that would be stupid.

are you going to claim or not?

[fuzzybutternut]

I thought it was obvious who I was lol Watcher.

Certainly.

Can we lynch him already?

[fuzzybutternut]

He could not possibly have been lying about his role.

Yeah, I see this now.
TBH: I don't know what I was thinking. I derped.

[fuzzybutternut]

Interestingly enough, Beeboy is p.much confirmed town now.

[fuzzybutternut]

Welp. We've come full circle now.

So, here's the sitch.

One claimed watcher, who didn't claim town.
One claimed Strong-Willed roleblocker and Vanilla Cop

Watcher claims to have visited Wgeurts last night and that no one else visited him.
Strong-Willed roleblocker claims to have roleblocked Wgeurts.

Here's how we deal with this. We lynch the weaker of the two claimed roles and, if that role flips town, we lynch the other tomorrow.
One of the two is lying. Analyze the situation carefully before you make your decision.

[fuzzybutternut]

Except since you're scum leaving one scum strong willed roleblocker is very detrimental to town.

You didn't even claim town when you claimed

You're so obvscum it's not even funny.

[fuzzybutternut]

Can you really not see that he's scum? lol.

Honestly, it's so fucking obvious.

[fuzzybutternut]

There's no need to claim town. It's clearly implied. Seriously, what else could he possibly claim? What's the scum motivation behind not saying he's town.

beeboy also didn't claim town. By your logic, beeboy's scum too

Beeboy didn't *have* to claim town. He posted his counter-claim with the intent to out scum.

Go look at his claim again. It's so fucking half-assed it's not even funny. He claimed to have visited Wgeurts last night and that no one else did so but me. I have no doubt in my mind that he's a watcher, but he's far from town aligned. He posted with the sole intent to out a town PR.

[fuzzybutternut]

I thought it was obvious who I was lol Watcher.

^half assed claim.

Took you forever to actually claim, too.

[fuzzybutternut]

because it was obvious what I was? When I said why did you visit wguerts last night that should indicated that I was a watcher?

So that makes it okay to completely ignore someone's question? When you're asked to claim, you claim. You don't blow it off because it's "obvious."

[fuzzybutternut]

hmm. Flailing scum is flailing.

VOTE: fuzzybutternut

Beeboy is almost conf town though.

How can you not see that he is scum? Honestly. It's so fucking obvious.
I don't give a damn if I get lynched or not, but it's so fucking frustrating to watch people completely overlook someone who is CLEARLY scum.

[fuzzybutternut]

Where did it say that in the rules?

Why would you question it if you KNOW it's not true?

[fuzzybutternut]

number 8

Oh I thought numbers where randomly distributed I didn't know we chose them as I replaced in having my number preselected

The numbers were preselected. He rolled a die to associate roles to numbers.

[fuzzybutternut]

This game was a clusterfuck of replacements. I wasn't hoping for a town win, tbh.
GJ all. had fun

[fuzzybutternut]

yeah, that role pm wasn't worded that well. >.>
Just kidding, I really don't mind at all. I should've thought about it more.
Great modding, Micc. Enjoyed it nonetheless