Micro 395: Role Roll Mafia (Game Over)

[Edosurist]

VOTE: farside22
obvscum is obvscum.

So as mod stated, I'll be gone this weekend.

[Edosurist]

townmasons ftw

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no. There's only two votes on each "wagon"

VOTE: fuzzybutternut
Now we have a real wagon.
I suggest we all lynch my masonpartner.

[Edosurist]

Somebody post, dammit
We've got scums/masons to lynch

[Edosurist]

Then I guess your scum.
VOTE: Fuzzybutternut

Any reasoning behind this?
This looks like a joke vote, but in post 40, you said you'd change your farside vote once you actually found something scummy. I'd like some explanation here.

@xox88(sorry I can't remember your name.) fair enough.

It's VOODOO reflected.

Spoiler:

[Edosurist]

Early scum reads:
Bins, Maruchan, and wgeurts.

VOTE: wgeurts

There isn't much of an attempt to spark action from him.

Farside and yoloswag are town for having genuine conversation.

@X88B88

farside22 - posting against me so lol

What's that supposed to mean?

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Thanks. I missed farside's question and his subsequent response. +1 for Bins.

Post 94 was a weak attempt on your part at progressing the game. The only reason you said it was because farside asked you to.

But I don't see how you're taking the scum stance on these two slots (and ofc me) so early on?

I don't see how by NOT taking a stance you're doing anything productive. By "early scum reads," I mean first impressions. They're not as solidified as you might think.

It was a gut read, but I can try to justify it now. Maruchan hasn't posted much original content, ignoring post 90, which doesn't really count as content. What has been original, namely 99 doesn't make too much sense to me. Which brings up a good point...

@Maruchan
How is he directing your vote or trying to force you/people to townread him?

Side note:
I wouldn't generally call farside play pro-town, like 85. I don't see how it helps get a read on Maruchan, but I've seen farside do stuff like that as town, so I see it as more null coming from her.

[Edosurist]

Goddamnit Bins. You're scum aren't you.

What prompted this?

Actually, no. Just tell me in the mason thread.

[Edosurist]

Farside seems new to me. thats not to say he is or isn't scum, but he's definitely new.

Lol. She's been on site since 2007.

I really liked your reasoning for your Bins scumread which you posted in our mason thread. Maybe you should post it here for everyone's benefit too.

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That post from Maruchan didn't really sit well with me either, but I wasn't going to say anything at the time. I just noted it and went along.

Why weren't you going to say anything?

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Also, fuzzy, you missed my request for an explanation of your Bins/Lissa scumread.

Hi Lissa.

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@Maruchan
How is he directing your vote or trying to force

you

/people to townread him?

I didn't say people. I said me. Hes targeting me specifically.

I actually did say you. What you had said was vague so I wasn't sure what you meant. You still didn't answer my question, though. How is he targeting

you

specifically.

Also,
I'm not actually claiming mason. Or neighbor. It was a joke, because I was mason partners in our previous game together.

I thought that was clear since nobody had pointed it out earlier when I first made the joke on page 1.

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Oh, I gotcha. You did answer my question.

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^Sure, yours. Take it.

Sorry Maruchan for not seeing your response to my question, but it was, in fact, hidden inside a different post. If you'd given that response when you addressed my question, I probably would've seen it and connected it to my own question.

these two are scum.

me and qguert are the neighborhood. My vote on him was based on private topic interactions.

He [wgeurt] said we needed to be more active in neighborhood to instigate earlier townreads on each other. it sounded fishy.

So do you currently have a scumread on these three people?

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@Mod

: Check the name in the VC.

Fixed! ~Micc

Somebody post, dammit
We've got scums/masons to lynch

Why do you think fuzzy is scum?

Don't think I ever answered this.

I was voting fuzzy because wgeurts was talking about there being three wagons already, so by changing my vote to fuzzy, I put his wagon was in the lead. Nothing important really.

On another note, I think Maruchan's pretty conftown for his jump against me and fuzzy for our fake mason claim.

wgeurts, on the other hand, hasn't really made himself look any better.

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@yoloswag
What are your thoughts on Lissa based on what you got by pressing her on her reads?

[Edosurist]

I believe mason would imply that all masons know that every mason is townsided. With neighbors, they are not necessarily on the same team.

And I really don't see how Maruchan's misinformed read on you could be considered scummy. Please explain the scum motivation behind his read on you and his read on me and fuzzy.

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UNVOTE: wgeurts

It feels opportunistic because he immediately jumped to the conclusion that we're scum instead of analyzing the situation and realizing it was a joke.
Scum do things like that to make it look like they're scumhunting so they look more town-like.

Fair point, but i'm going to wait for Maruchan to get back in here.
I also see reactionary as being newbtown, although Maruchan isn't exactly a newb.

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@yoloswag
OK, I'll wait for your read on Lissa.
What are your reads on the bickering neighbors?

[Edosurist]

@fuzzy
Did you get a cop report?

Also thinking about it now

I don't like fuzzy's claim about maru being opportunistic because why can't it just be maru thinking about it really being a neighbour claim. He fails to consider the town viewpoint. He "assumed" you and Edosurist were scum because it was a CLEAR contradiction to his own role. What else was there to analyze?You seemed to be calling the guy scum for not getting a joke rather than actually doing anything scummy.

Why is your language in this seem like you have to think? fuzzy's confscum from your POV.

Also thinking about it now I don't like fuzzy's claim about maru being opportunistic because why can't it just be maru thinking about it really being a neighbour claim. He fails to consider the town viewpoint. He "assumed" you and Edosurist were scum because it was a CLEAR contradiction to his own role. What else was there to analyze?You seemed to be calling the guy scum for not getting a joke rather than actually doing anything scummy.

I said his approach to the situation was scummy and it was. He wasn't paying attention. That's not my fault.

Why didn't you vote yolo? From your POV, he should be confscum.

VOTE: fuzzybutternut

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@fuzzy
So if you thought all other actions would fail, why did you also do a cop investigation?

[Edosurist]

That just seems flawed. I could see your confusion over the roleblocker's ability because of the typo, but no where does it say that your other role could still work. In fact, it leads to the opposite. See the bolded text.

All

or

the targeted players actions will fail,

with the exception for a roleblock

of

their own.

@Mod

: Please fix the typos which I italicized above.

P-Edit:
Regardless, we knew he had to be a MachoDoc cuz maruchan was a #6. Why investigate him?

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@fuzzy
We knew he had to be a #5 because maruchan was a #6. He could not possibly have been lying about his role.

All

or

the targeted players actions will fail,

with the exception for a roleblock

of

their own.

@Mod

: Please fix the typos which I italicized above.

Correction:

All

or

the targeted players actions will fail, with the exception

for

a roleblock of their own.

Actually, for was a typo, not the of.

[Edosurist]

THE watcher?

There can be multiple.

[Edosurist]

Strong-willed Roleblock ability goes to players with the number...

I'm pretty sure that when he uses language like this that he means multiple people can share a number.

Now that you've claimed, what was your report, beeboy?

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Now that you've claimed, what was your report, beeboy?

Actually, don't answer this. It might reveal a town PR.

[Edosurist]

Except since you're scum leaving one scum strong willed roleblocker is very detrimental to town.

You didn't even claim town when you claimed

You're so obvscum it's not even funny.

Now you're just grasping for straws

[Edosurist]

There's no need to claim town. It's clearly implied. Seriously, what else could he possibly claim? What's the scum motivation behind not saying he's town.

beeboy also didn't claim town. By your logic, beeboy's scum too

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@farside
Yes, I received fruit.
I wasn't going to say I got fruit because it tells scum more about the PRs.

[Edosurist]

Can everyone in this town just stop and think before doing anything.

Please, READ your roles and understand the rules correctly.
Please, DON'T CLAIM your roles either unless it strictly benefits town.
Please, visit LOGICAL people. If someone's likely going to die, please watch them.

I'm getting seriously fed up with all these screwups. Even the little ones are building up.
JUST STOP.

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VOTE: yoloswag123
Nobody say anything unless it's something that will help town on D4.

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Meh, I'm being paranoid.
I was thinking somebody might accidentally out another PR, but at this point, I don't think that's possible.

Obviously, let's not draw out the day longer than necessary.

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Yah, I realized that this is someone's last chance to get their message and reads across.

@farside
consider that helping town

[Edosurist]

@farside
Explain your scumread on the slot to me. Is it mainly leftover gut from X88B88?

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Votecount 1.05

Maruchan

(5)

: RottenChef (

X88B88

), Lissa(),

wgeurts

,

fuzzybutternut

,

Maruchan

Lissa (1)

:

The Bulge (

beeboy

)

farside22 (1)

:

yoloswag123

RottenChef (1)

: farside22

Not Voting (1)

: Edosurist

Looking at D1's final VC, I'm thinking RottenChef or Lissa. X88B88's entrance onto the wagon was kind of coincidental, so I don't read that as too scummy.

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EBWOP: Added Bins to the parentheses after Lissa to reflect that Lissa replaced her.

Votecount 1.05

Maruchan

(5)

: RottenChef (

X88B88

), Lissa (

Bins

),

wgeurts

,

fuzzybutternut

,

Maruchan

Lissa (1)

:

The Bulge (

beeboy

)

farside22 (1)

:

yoloswag123

RottenChef (1)

: farside22

Not Voting (1)

: Edosurist

Looking at D1's final VC, I'm thinking RottenChef or Lissa. X88B88's entrance onto the wagon was kind of coincidental, so I don't read that as too scummy.

[Edosurist]

This is an attempt to ISO yolo and Bins/Lissa interactions. More coming. Unfortunately, we're at a serious loss for info.

Town- farside, yoloswag (that name though...)

The fact that he calls out his username is somewhat coincidental. It's not particularly incriminating though.

Actually I want to question lissa once more. What are your thoughts on maru now that he's explained his reason for "forcing" a townread vote. Also fuzzy how does it feel like an opportunistic approach?

The phrasing here is awkward. He shouldn't need permission to question Lissa. It suggests he feels self-conscious about it.

@farside, nope no one else.

Doesn't that make Fuzzy confscum then? Wgeurts died, there's no ninja type role in this setup, Fuzzy was the only one that visited Wgeurts = fuzzy must be scum.

This explanation of her thought process seems excessive, like she might be trying to hide the fact that the plan to lynch fuzzy was clear in her mind, trying to look like she doesn't know more than she should. This is a big stretch though.

Conclusion: Meh, null scum.

Side note: I never realized that VOTE: was a vote command. I've always done VOTE: ...

[Edosurist]

yolo and X88B88/RottenChef

VOTE: yoloswag

what a name

Ya, as I thought, the name jabber is null. X88B88 did it too.

I like Yoloswag.

This is the only thing RC said regarding his yolo read. Even for a simple townread, that's pretty weak.

Conclusion: Not any more suspicious.

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I started to look at yolo and farside, but there's seriously no way they're scum together. There's too much genuine interaction between the two of them early on.

While we're at it
@farside
can you explain why you asked if I got fruited? And where were you going with that claim yesterday?

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Then point out what makes the interactions scummy. Just because I disagree doesn't mean I'm definitely correct.

[Edosurist]

Regarding ending without discussion, I thought that we might out more PRs.
But if you look at the following post, 286, I immediately change my mind.

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The only issues I have had with Edo is that he pointed out yo's comment above as sounding strange but doesn't really expand on getting more info and then votes fuzzy despite his question to yo.

Yolo answered my question, so I was satisfied after that.
And I thought that fuzzy not voting him despite claiming fuzzy was scum was more incriminating, therefore, I voted fuzzy.

[Edosurist]

Yo, will post later tonight

[Edosurist]

Then point out what makes the interactions scummy. Just because I disagree doesn't mean I'm definitely correct.

I was just getting an awkward feel in bed thursday night. *yawn*

If he comes back, I'd like him to articulate this some more. Otherwise,

@Mod

: How's the replacement search going?

Edo: why was this response satisfactory?

oh didn't see edosurists question, I was thinking in hindsight

Because I thought it was a moot point anyway. Phrasing isn't a scumtell, at least in the general sense.
As I already kinda mentioned, I didn't think yoloscum would make that 1v1 move and fuzzy's claim was poorly thought out.

In RottenChef's replace-in catchup post, 177, the extent of his interaction/mention of Yolo was to tell him to get an avatar and say "I like Yoloswag" with no added reasoning. He makes more explained comments on most of the others he comments on. I could see this as a scumbuddy read/interaction.

I think I already mentioned this, but I agree.

I still don't fully get Yolo's move. I mean, it will take us to 2:1 lylo without a scum wagon to analyze, basically with less information, so there's that. But I still don't completely understand why a widely townread scum would make this move out of the blue. I'm trying to see what the underlying motivation was here.

Presuming yolo's a watcher, he might've assumed that fuzzy was also a watcher. The weak part of this theory, though, is that fuzzy didn't claim when he posted. Not to mention the fact that fuzzy HAD to be a watcher.

This feels shitty to say but I feel that knowing bins/x88 was the same player, the rvs vote I wonder if it was scum bussing. One knows who is scum. Just a thought.

Interesting thought, but RVS is so inconsistent that I doubt there's any tell in it.

Once we get Rotten's replacement, we'll let the guy post his thoughts, then I think we wrap up the day.

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Please note that I am V/LA until Monday.

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Maybe yolo's partner who would benefit from his death. (farside?)
I seriously doubt that though. It's all speculation at this point.

UNVOTE:
While I'm V/LA.

[Edosurist]

Yo. I'm here now.

I'll start by catching up on what I missed.

[Edosurist]

First off, is my avatar too distracting? I'll change it if you want me to.

Edosurist's 221 is bothersome, strikes me as a "I'm totally invested in both sides" sort of thing.

What's that supposed to mean?

Edosurist's 257 discredit's the town player's posts, which aids in his lynch.

I was making a legitimate point. fuzzy said yolo was scum for not claiming town, which was absolutely ridiculous.

Lissa is pretty ballsy if she's yolo's partner. She goes full force for yolo's plan. 225 and 229 don't seem to come from yolo's partner...although on the other hand the truth is yolo is dead the second he claimed Watcher so his partner could very well bus him to high heaven.

I disagree. The wishy-washy nature of 229

hmmm. I accused edo of discrediting town but Lissa does it first here:

Also, Fuzzy claiming he thought a "strong-willed roleblock" blocked incoming actions was weird.

I don't see how this is scummy of Lissa, especially when she's pointing out precisely what made fuzzy's claim scummy.

I'll be back to post in a few hours.

[Edosurist]

Gonna be honest, I'm not too eager to look at this thread.
Promise I'll post later today.

@STD

Lissa is pretty ballsy if she's yolo's partner. She goes full force for yolo's plan. 225 and 229 don't seem to come from yolo's partner...although on the other hand the truth is yolo is dead the second he claimed Watcher so his partner could very well bus him to high heaven.

I disagree. The wishy-washy nature of 229

Sorry, this got cut off.
I disagree. The wishy-washy nature of 229 isn't ballsy at all. What made you say that?

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Actually I want to question lissa once more. What are your thoughts on maru now that he's explained his reason for "forcing" a townread vote. Also fuzzy how does it feel like an opportunistic approach?

The phrasing here is awkward. He shouldn't need permission to question Lissa. It suggests he feels self-conscious about it.

This still bothers me. I hate to use diction tells, but this feels like hedging.

[Edosurist]

Yah, you've been the only one. But it's still cool.
The thought of the dwarf finally burning to death after a couple of years amuses me.
I'll change it back once this game's done.

I'm also waiting for Lissa's post.

[Edosurist]

Think I forgot to mention it earlier. I'm down with massclaim.

[Edosurist]

Yo, sorry, checked the prod late last night. Then, you know, World Series.

Give me another day or two.

Claim: Town Aligned Number Three

[Edosurist]

Actually, that's never going to happen.

@Mod

: V/LA Until Monday, November 3.

[Edosurist]

Yes, sorry. I'm back now. I'm going to post tonight since I only had time to confirm that I'm still alive

[Edosurist]

Ugh, sorry, these last two weeks really haven't been great for me. If I don't post by tomorrow, just replace me.

Sometimes, life just gets in the way.