Micro 365 - ALL YEAR LONG haha see what i did there (over)

[Nazarene]

wazzup 'yotches.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

-A

[Nazarene]

Pants if I were a yuckleberry I'd be voting you

-Tier

[Nazarene]

Pants, you are Yuck LeBerry.
Yuck.

[Nazarene]

Yes yuck all people that haven't said shit are scum for not having said shit

Are you generally this....overeager as town?

Post. Goodnight. Oh. NM scum.
VOTE: Not Mafia

Hi talk to me why how lolz or for real etc

Btw N I appreciate the title
-Tier

[Nazarene]

Initial thoughts are that there is almost definitely a scum in Huckleberries. I lile Xayzeck, for the scumbutt I was thinking Pants initially for his seeming paranoia in RVS. Now leaning Maru, hated their opening and their Xayzeck read. Pants and Maru should be cross voting.

Why is there definitely a scumball? Anything beyond the individual suspicions of Pants/Maru?

Overall liking Naz more than sns right now.

We should absolutely be hunting outside of our groups and I am wary of anyone suggesting we shouldn't.

If there's something you want to ask of someone and the people in the group aren't asking it you definitely should be. Plus only interacting in our groups allows any d1 scum to completely avoid any relational tells .

Disagree strongly, in line with Maru et al. I think that the beginning of the day should mostly be intra-group communication, and then we can weigh in on other groups as the day draws to a close. Scum have daytalk, so relational tells will not be as strong as in night-talk games, and scum can furthermore coordinate closely. Encouraging strong involvement in other groups from the beginning opens the door for scum to influence the lynch in the all-town group, which is bad. So everyone should read everything and keep suspects in mind, but I think that the communication advantage scum have should be tempered for some time.

-A

[Nazarene]

I checked the rule list for this game and the original. Scum daytalk is never listed. Everyone in your group should be voting you asap.

I will say though Salamance, the notion that you need to hurry along a lynch cause the rest of the groups are settled is B.S.

Use the time you need, and lynch scum

. k thx

Earlier:

Everyone in your group should be voting you

asap

-A

[Nazarene]

Hi, I'm catching up. From our own ISO, I already see me and Aegor play this setup in a very different manner and we'll try to get our thoughts synced first before posting anything definite.

Tierce(Naz)

Don't insult me, tyvm.

I voted him simply because Naz did. Hes in my group so why not.

I don't see why you would vote him, then. Why not us, for instance? Did you have a feeling you could trust us or was it random?

What do you think of Pants thus far?

He's been super lame thus far. Definitely not townish. His selfvote was generic, his page 1 townread on xay for saying hi was bull and the reads on page 2 were way too early. I don't really associate this early game overeagerness with town, but then again, neither do I necessarily do that with scum. What do you think about him?

Why is pants town? Because his (albeit defunct) arguments on why activity interacting within your group is good.

Saying obvious things as 'interacting within your group is good' is worth a towntell nowadays? Boo.

[Nazarene]

PoE scumreads arent anything big

But what bugs me is she thinks there's 1 scum in our group

So could be that because she's the 1 scum, she's playing with that mindset, and got quick with the PoE

If you're not playing with the idea in mind that there's definitely scum in your group and you need to find out who it is, you're doing it wrong.

Initial thoughts are that there is almost definitely a scum in Huckleberries.

Overall liking Naz more than sns right now.

To both: why?

And now Pants lost his town read.

79 says in layman's terms "i think you're scum because i already committed myself to buddying xayzeck and called him town so i can't call maruchan town he must be scum"

Hi you are town because almost everything you say regarding dr pants rings a bell

I get what you're saying. Agreed to agree to disagree.

Cool. You might be town.

For disagreeing with you on how this setup should be played?

In short, scum avoids the gambit, town is attracted to it.

Wait, are you claiming your selfvote day 1 was a gambit to get town to react? Really? Did you think that all out before posting or was it an afterthought?

I have NEVER been lynched, period.

Can we change this pl0x
-Tier
P-edit:
-TierSHIFT
Not tierce dummy

[Nazarene]

We are such rulebreakers...

Espresso what would you say if I feel like no lynching in this group?

Why did you propose this?

I checked the rule list for this game and the original. Scum daytalk is never listed. Everyone in your group should be voting you asap.

Lol

also, the open role pm says "At anytime until your death"

Can'y decide if towntell, or failed as scum to do a decent cursory look to see if daytalk is mentioned outside of scum qt, and used it to paint a town scummy.

Do you read minds perhaps

Not Mafia and Dr Pants are the scum.

Why notmaf? Who is scum in the llama group if you have to choose?

I've already figured out what I want to do in this group for myself.

Which is what?

Hm. Liking NM more and more.
Lets see where this goes. At work. Catch up later.

Reasons?

[Nazarene]

I see espresso just parroting what maru has said before him.
I don't see aggressiveness coming from salamence

What is up

Rest of catchup tomorrow
-Tier

[Nazarene]

Caught up. Will post tomorrow.

-A

[Nazarene]

unanswered questions to sns

Spoiler: unanswered questions

I get what you're saying. Agreed to agree to disagree.

Cool. You might be town.

For disagreeing with you on how this setup should be played?

Hm. Liking NM more and more.
Lets see where this goes. At work. Catch up later.

Reasons?

-Tier

[Nazarene]

I agree with pants though. Espresso, that post was ridiculously scummy lol. But then again townies make the scummiest posts.

I don't really see the scumminess in espresso's postibg, just you and salamence calling him scum for awkwardly phrased opinions. Why exactly do you think that post was scummy? (Salamence do not answer this please)

to answer the hydra's question, the scum are Not_Mafia, ac, and Pants

Again why notmaf?

As for now,
UNVOTE:

As to show we haven't yet made public our preferred lynch candidate in our group. Expect it to happen reasonably soon, though!

-Tier

[Nazarene]

I don't think scum would really vote like the, they'd be more concerned not to look like sheeping. Do you think otherwise?
I only see the 'not town' scumslip which is meh. What's the other?

Why are you still voting notmaf? You said you'd explain.

Notmaf, why do you think our group is all town and then why are you voting sns?

[Nazarene]

Oh and there were no poorly phrased opinions that you commented on that was just my memory of it sorry.

[Nazarene]

I said I was liking him more and more for the post right before I posted that statement. He was thinking along the same lines as me and between Xay, Pants and Maru, I really don't see there not being scum.

Initial thoughts are that there is almost definitely a scum in Huckleberries. I lile Xayzeck, for the scumbutt I was thinking Pants initially for his seeming paranoia in RVS. Now leaning Maru, hated their opening and their Xayzeck read. Pants and Maru should be cross voting.

I'm definitely fine with my vote on NM now.

So at first you hate the post in which he calls a scum in H and then later say you were thinkng along the same lines?

-Tier

[Nazarene]

Yeah ok notmaf you can be town and fly away now

Sns, in the first part of my post I was talking about EJ's vote, that came immediately after sala's post. I meant that he'd try and not make his vote look like a sheep as scum. While he sheeped blatantly here. What do you think?

The other scumslip is 205? Hmm, yeah, it indeed looks like he knows ac will flip town. He should probably die.
Still, can't shake the feeling sala is scum for the at least slightly unwarranted tunnel and zero suspicion of ac. I also don't really see espresso forming a team with my biggest scumread, mr Yuck. Thus, I'd prefer it if sala were lynched. Ac prolly town.

Oh and sns you would explain why notmaf and not us.

Xay can you indeed catch up and please tell me your townread on pants has gone away?
-Tier

[Nazarene]

The first one wasn't really a slip imo. It was just a writing mistake.

I hope you mean that if espresso flips town, sala should be looked at? Why exactly do YOU get the shivers from sala?

For your ingenious(?) plan to work I have to vote before the last ones in the other groups do?
-T

[Nazarene]

Why are you so mad sonny boy

First tell me why you townread pants
And why you not see the towniness radiating from maru

Then we can talk.
-Tier

[Nazarene]

@Xay:
Dr Pants has just been overly 'look at me being town', as evidenced in posts 26 31 91. He hasn't actually done anything useful after helping this game out of RVS and has applied shit towntells/scumtells, as in 91 and the one on maru.

But most of all, everything he has done seems too deliberately thought out. Not in a town way. Even if his thought process is stable, it's one hard to follow and one that just feels made up beforehand.

I don't get what you're saying about maru, elaborate.

Meh salamence you were stupid and aggressive and incontrol in our last game and I don't see any of that here.
How are you confused?
Also why are you voting espresso if you think he's town? You seem to be slipping in the same way espresso did himself *shrug* I hate scumslips.
P-edit: sala wtf are you trying to say re espresso?
-Tier

[Nazarene]

So sala, you think ac is town? Why?

[Nazarene]

He has townreads on you and espresso and you have a scumread on espresso
He has a scunread on pants and you a townread

He has no other reads

What same thought process?
-Tier

[Nazarene]

I townread myself

Holy cow you are good at this game

Idk I think I'm okay with espresso now
I would be happy with some input from A on this topic

-Tier

[Nazarene]

You can do something scummy that is at the same time useful.

I see no reasons for maru scumread other than: 'read was forced'. That's not saying much, is there more to it?
I mostly see PoE of xayzeck for playing your little game with you which is not worth a towntell.

Anyway, I'm not really interested in arguing with you, that post was for xay mostly.
-Tier

[Nazarene]

The Heads of the Hydra think that sns is a better vote than NM. The Heads' current townread on NM is due to his going against others' setup ideas and just doing what everyone didn't want him to do, i.e. he is not particularly concerned with his image. He also resisted pressure for quick decisions/scumhunting and has gone at his own pace. And was

casual

about it. Again, does not seem to care too much about being lynched because he thinks we are both town in a way that the Heads feel is genuine. This Head particularly likes his incisive questions, e.g. 181 and 258. This Head strongly prefers more active players, so this Head does expect NM to start producing more substantial content/solid reads and reasons.

The Heads differ slightly on sns. This Head thinks that he is straight-up scummy. The other Head is simply townreading him less than NM currently.

My particular concerns/questions are below:

Spoiler:

I agree with pants though. Espresso, that post was ridiculously scummy lol. But then again townies make the scummiest posts.

This seems like pushing for a mislynch outside of the group while covering his butt when espresso flips town. This is especially true given sns' vacillation concerning espresso in the rest of the game.

Well yeah, but youre sucking pretty hard as scum.

Compare to 299, where espresso's posts may now come from town, conveniently after my other Head provided pushed against the hasty espresso scumslip scumreads (298).

Cant explain right now. As long as someone gives intent to hammer, I will explain then. For now, NM dies. Just trust me for a bit. I will explain before the day ends.

What possible reason is there to delay an explanation? I always find playing coy scummy, especially when it does not involve a roleclaim. Plus, this feels like a bad justification for voteparking, given that the justification was clearly present at the beginning of the day but we will obviously not hear about it until the day is going to end imminently.

Lolz. I slipped too. We're all scum. Maybe it really was just writing mistakes on Espresso's part. Hm.

The Heads initially thought that sns was perhaps buddying NM by increasingly townreading him, but given the persistent vote and the explanation-to-come, that does not seem likely. That made my other Head feel better about sns, as did his explanation in 288. I remain unconvinced, so there remains some dissonance. Regardless, both Heads agree that sns is the better lynch for today.

VOTE: sns

-A

[Nazarene]

Espresso, do you still feel you are the best lynch in your group?

Ac, who do you want to lynch?

If someone in that group could declare an ntent to hammer just for the sake of getting sns to talk, that'd be nice.
-Tier

[Nazarene]

You seemed to have some sort of scumread on sala and no scumread in grape either.

I don't think you're playing to win as much as you do.
-Tier

[Nazarene]

I fear that your arguments against me, while wrong, are valid in the sense that there is nothing I can say to disprove anything you've said. I have my own reasons and can explain what I meant, which I will, but

I don't really think that will change your mind.

You would be surprised both at this Head's receptivity and his hatred of non-contributors. This Head looks forward to your reasoning, especially given how much time we have left.

As a quick note. There is no point in me explaining my plan if I am the one about to be lynched. No big deal though, it probably wouldn't have worked.

Why would you think you are about to be lynched? And your continued reticence is increasingly both scummy and frustrating, since you have nothing to lose at this point.

A town lynch should never be the best lynch, but as it stands I don't have a strong scumread coming from either group member. Even though I'm still suspicious of Sal, there's nothing to merit a strong scumread. Potentially, I am the biggest threat to town because of WIFOM arguments and being an easy mislynch. If I do believe that both of my group buddies are town, then it's in my best interest for the whole of the town to have myself lynched instead of the other two.

This Head sees a word shift from "strong scumread" to "[not] town." Surely it is better not to off yourself if you think there is even a possibility, even if weak, that one of your fruitmates is scum? This Head, for one, is not scumreading you, so this Head recommends that you snap out of it and at least produce info within your group for the rest of us to consider and for the benefit of the town players in your group as well.

-A


N.B.: Tier-haterz, explain yoselves.

[Nazarene]

I find Tiershift impossible to talk to

This.

Cant wait til tomorrow

Go cry me a river.

Ac, why is sala a townread?
-Tier

[Nazarene]

Cant wait til tomorrow

What does this mean, actually?

-Tier

[Nazarene]

Pants, I'm not 180ing on SNS ever. Read the game.

Everyone should find it suspicious when someone says "I bet my group is the 1 without scum". Yes, this has to be true for 1 group. But since we do not know, and we have NO flips yet, WHY would anyone assume otherwise? The ONLY thing I can think of is that the person with such a mindset is scum, and is either going to kill the 3rd member of their group night 1 or is attempting to get town read by the third member of their group on day 2.

Or they legit think their group is all town? I don't think anyone in my group is scum since I have a very strong townread on notmaf and a decent one on sns that is improving with him not fighting the lynch. Why do I need to act like there's scum in my group when I don't think so?

Sns, there has been intent expressed, tell us something.
Xay, you should check in here before hammer and actually read pants's posts in more detail than 'interacts with others' and 'is transparant'. Please.
-Tier

[Nazarene]

Well, I agree townreading your group should be examined and if it's unwarranted, it could be considered a scumtell. But if it is warranted, it just is warranted, big deal. And I don't see why I cannot scumhunt outside my group. Go poke at something else.
-Tier

[Nazarene]

Hello everyone. This Head has had to sacrifice this game for today but will post his coalescing thoughts on the other groups tomorrow, since it seems that they are settling into position themselves.


-A

[Nazarene]

@Xay, AGAIN:

@Xay:
Dr Pants has just been overly 'look at me being town', as evidenced in posts 26 31 91. He hasn't actually done anything useful after helping this game out of RVS and has applied shit towntells/scumtells, as in 91 and the one on maru.

But most of all, everything he has done seems too deliberately thought out. Not in a town way. Even if his thought process is stable, it's one hard to follow and one that just feels made up beforehand.

And his latest posts are just spewing a bit of WIFOM with untrue facts. Unnecessary and scummy.

Maru's latest post shows genuine thought process even though the reasoning is not very good.
-Tier

[Nazarene]

This Head opposes the Maru lynch. He believes that his other Head is still scumreading pants as well, but this Head has not confirmed that/discussed with my other Head because he want to get this in before/if someone hammers. This Head is still uncertain about the Ilama group, and the Heads of the Hydra will confer thereupon. Specifically, this Head is not sold on the Espresso slips and wants to examine Sala further.

Below are posts and the reasons this Head dislikes them, to put to rest claims that votes on pants have no bases.

Spoiler:

Post 26 is bad because there is no real basis for reads that early on, and the last line (that not engaging with oen's fruit group in RVS is scummy) is an especially bad attempt to establish a scumtell.

Post 91 has tortured reasoning for a tortured gambit. This Head has no problem with gambits, especially if they are player-centered. This one, however, makes no sense, and furthermore is an easy way to construct and justify a scumread on someone for no real reason.

Furthermore, Pants has leaped upon every fake scumtell that has happened in the game. See, for example, 128, 210, 212, and 234.

WIFOM in 156 and following.

This Head fails to see the case against Maru, but he will happily read future cases and/or refer back to posts containing cases if said posts are pointed out to him. This Head is townreading Maru on the basis of his well-motivated setup commentary and a generally lack of scumminess in other posts, at least as far as this Head can determine.

NM

: Please share concrete thoughts on other groups.

-A

[Nazarene]

Ok tier/aegor, this will be the last post I make for the day, I will not be posting anymore until we lynch.

Liar

I kinda agree with the second part of the post so I'll shut up now about the other groups, even though I'm far from content with the lynches.

I get lynched
AC dies
HURR HURR ESPRESSO SLIPPED DIE

This is lame. People suspect you more today so they'll suspect you more tomorrow still.
Plus it will be obvious as shit. If ac dies and an immediate pudh for espresso? Puhlease.

I'm

fine

with the hammer.

-Tier

[Nazarene]

I must say your townposting is a lot more enjoyable than your scumposting.
(this is me saying I agree)

-Tier

[Nazarene]

Tier head is V/LA for 3 weeks

[Nazarene]

Not caught up with today's posts. Please no one do anything silly until this Head is caught up tomorrow, especially since this Head is now oh-so-lonely.

-A

[Nazarene]

This does worry me, because if no scum get lynched day 1 and I live to day 2, I will be the lynch candidate. It seems fairly obvious right now. This is why I said that people who are scum hunting within other groups but town reading their own group are scummy, because scum is going to try to stir up shit within the all town group. This alone makes me want Naz and Ac out from the other 2 groups.

Why? I [note that since I am now the lone head, I will be posting in the first person henceforth] want you lynched today.

I do not understand your point at all. At the beginning of the game, I said that we should stay within our groups and once the dust settles, provide input on other groups. That strategy makes perfect sense, as others agreed, even if some, like NM, espouse a different one. I have followed my strategy. How on earth is that a problem to you?

I have a deal I'd like to propose. Naz and AC get lynched today. In return, I will lynch myself. Since both believe I am scum, and that they have the all town group, then this should be an easy choice for them.

Would you mind quoting me, this Head, Aegor, where I stated that I believe I have the all-town group? Maybe it is right in the middle of the long-ass post where I explain why I think sns is scum.

If you are going to refer to the hydra as a hydra, do not misrep us on points of contention and head dissonance.

And this plan is dumb. Why would I lynch myself when I think that both sns and you are the most likely scum candidates?

Remove the possibility of me getting mislynched on day 2 (high possibility) in exchange for the 2 people who are scum reading the hell out of me and doing more outside of their groups than in them

Lynching you is not dependent on lynching anyone else. Your plan makes no sense.

Scum hunting outside the circle is fine, but its not fine to ONLY scum hunt outside the circle. No one here is a scum hunting god. No one here knows which group is the all town group (except scum, obviously). So why are so many freaking people saying that they have the special group?

Again, where did I

ever

say that?

If Ac is lynched and the group with Naz can give me a good reason as to why Sns or Not Mafia is a better lynch, I'll also self vote.

Maybe you should read my ISO. You will find that it contains a long, thorough, detailed post about why sns is scummy to me. Incidentally, it contains a similar post about you.

Although my read on you is now in WIFOM land.


-A

@everyone

: I will no longer be signing my posts since I am the only head at the moment. TS may pop in (idk whether he has any access at all), but just assume the posts are from me.

[Nazarene]

I am here. My thoughts have not changed.

There is no way in hell I would ever vote for NM, who is one of my strong townreads. In case the reasons why are not obvious to you, I will gladly elaborate upon request.

I fail to see any benefit whatsoever in the kind of association speculation being presented as arguments in the last two pages. NM explained why that is dumb already, so I will not.

I want Day 1 to end, and I maintain that the groups should decide within themselves who gets lynched. This is the only way to guarantee that scum does not influence the lynch in the all-town group and idiocy within one group does not infect the others, which is clearly happening.

I am happy to answer any specific questions or provide thoughts or reads on any players, but I am, frankly, bored.

BTW I still have not looked at Ilama group that closely since the espressojet slip debacle, but I can if someone wants me too. Just from reading the last two pages, I would say that I would not resolve the indecision that has plagued it since the beginning of the game, though.

[Nazarene]

@Pants:

I think both I and my other Head have already mentioned some of the reasons we agree NM is town.

Discusses his strategy in 63. Sticks to his strategy in a way that feels individualistic and genuine rather than manipulative. Defends strategy in subsequent. His incisive questions are also strongly pro-town, q.v. 181, 258, 343, 351, 354, etc. I see no scum motivation in any of his posts.

[Nazarene]

Aegor, in DoctorPepper, this was the tell I used to scum read Clusk:

Don't like this Pasch wagon at all. Also HATE the way Espresso joined it

The scum motivation behind this statement is simple. You town read a player who is likely to get lynched, absolving yourself of responsibility for being on the wagon. You then setup a player who many people have scum read to be the goat for the lynch.

I did not scumread Clusk for that "tell," and I still voted him. Everything you described is circumstantial. It is hardly scummy to oppose a wagon and then comment on its constitution. I do that all the time as town. In fact, it is generally town. The problem comes when the opposition and setup come out of nowhere with no trajectory. You still do not even know whether that was Clusk's intent in making that post.

This is identical to what Not Mafia and Ac have done today. Knowing they can not prevent a Maru lynch, they call out the lynch as bad and set me up as the goat.

Why would you think the Maru lynch is inevitable? What control do they have over it anyway? Why should they not express their thoughts on the wagon? I did not want Maru lynched, and I made a case. Why should others not also?

Xay made the point that they never actually put out an argument for me being scummy, and its true. They instead opted to scum read me for "sounding forced" and "being manipulative", without ever actually directly pointing to evidence of these claims.

Not providing specific evidence is a problem generally. They are not in your group, however, so I do not hold them to the same standard, because their thoughts cannot be manifest in votes. If this game were in Day 2, I would be all over that.

Now, you have done this yourself as well. However, since you are scum reading within your own group, a mislynch on Sns would fall squarely on your shoulders. Ac and Not Mafia have shirked this responsibility by town reading the people they are voting out.

Your attempt to build a case based on townreading one's group is flawed

ex stirpe

. There is no reason whatsoever to consider that scummy.

One

of the groups must be all-town; you fail to provide a way to distinguish between a town player townreading his group and a scum player townreading his group. Because of this, your case is bad.

I read through your arguments for scum Sns and town N_M. And there are problems with them. Your read on Sns is almost entire based on his reaction to Espresso:

I fail to see the problem.

Staying composed is not a town tell. I personally happen to be much more aggressive as town, and much more passive as scum.

Staying composed is not a town tell, I agree. Nonchalantly proceeding with one's well-reasoned approach to the setup, which has clearly been thought out, is townish to me.

Saying that N_M is not concerned about image is not entirely true either, as Not Mafia's content lacks any ability to ruffle feathers in the slightest.

That does not mean he is not concerned about image.

[Nazarene]

Still here; waiting for the day to end.

[Nazarene]

Sala, walk me through how killing espresso would lead to your conftown status. Also let me know how Xay is semi-confirmed at all.

[Nazarene]

Or, rather, how Xay has attempted to semi-confirm himself.

[Nazarene]

Town-Play in Lylo: 1 2
Scum-Play in Lylo: 1 2

Pretty much, I'm trying to tell you that my D1 play is more close to my Town-Play than my scumplay.

Why are you posting this unsolicited?

[Nazarene]

Will review game; surprised about sns townflip in particular. Xay hammer looks really bad, and his explanation is off to me as well. My initial thought was that it was mere self-preservation, which would have made perfect sense, but then he mentioned all that other junk.

[Nazarene]

Would like others' thoughts on the Xay hammer.

[Nazarene]

Thoughts are congealing. Will probably vote later today or tomorrow, with reasons.

[Nazarene]

VOTE: NM

[Nazarene]

I agree. Go town!

[Nazarene]

Were you scum, Sala?

-A

[Nazarene]

Nope. So...good job, us, I guess.

[Nazarene]

LOLOLOLOL

Not even sorry.

Thanks for the game. This is my second victory as scum in this setup; it seems clear to me that scum should try to get three townies lynched at all cost on Day 1.

By the way, we were planning to bus Xay Day 1. I was so pissed that Sala preempted me, because I was about to post a case against Xay. And then he went from no votes to lynch overnight.

[Nazarene]

Nazarene is now policy.

Sorry that the Heads of the Hydra are awesome.

Tier, does this count as redemption after Austin Powers?


-A

[Nazarene]

Even though we are in postgame, would appreciate quote tag fix in the above post

[Nazarene]

Nice.

Also, I sympathize with your desire to annihilate lurkers.

[Nazarene]

I accept your curses and hope they haunt me, but not for too long.

[Nazarene]

Hey, we won! Good job aegor!

Thanks for hosting N!

And remember kids, never quickvote in lylo!
-T