Micro 246: Chosen Mafia (N2!)

[Tammy]

'sup bitches.

So, I had a thought. We should massclaim, and just not lynch the chosen ones.

Game solved.

I'm a genius.

[Tammy]

Why hello!
1. Nachomamma8 is a great player that I haven't played with in a while
2. Sound of Silence, fferyllt is a super cool chick that doesn't like my playstyle and GuyInFreezer is my bff
3. mastin2 is a scumhunting god; I want to apologise to him for bussing him so hard I lost us that game
4. Tammy is one of those wise, veteran scummers
5. Darger is a guy I've never met
6. phokdapolees is the same as Darger
7. projectmatt is the same as phokdapolees
8. TheIrishPope is silky and Town
9. magenta_thegreat, orcinus_theoriginal counterclaimed my doc claim in skype mafia and people believed him and Ms Marangal is my mentor, my favourite player and the godmother of my first-born child

TiP, can you please link me to a time when you opened this way as town? TIA

[Tammy]

But anyway,

Nacho, SoS, magenta

, and to some extent, Tammy:

I realize that, statistically, it's a probability for one of you (or, heck, even two) to be scum, buuuuuut...I'm going to try something this game. I'm going to, for the time being, assume all of you are town, and ask that you do the same. Basically, at least for the first half of D1, I'm asking that we treat each other as more town than we actually are, and work with one another in figuring out the alignments of the remaining four. (Darger, phok, projectmatt, and TIP.) In other words, working with another (temporarily!) as if we had already formed a townbloc.

Now, after half a day has passed, sure, yeah. We can reassess each others' alignments to see who (if any) of those big name five are scum. (If you four were all actually town, then this game would be a dream-team of town players. ) I think that it'll be an interesting experiment, and not to mention, I

do

have an idea for why this might be a good idea this game, though that's something I'd prefer not to reveal until D2 (assuming I live that long, since proposing this plan paints a big, HUUUUUUUUGE X over me

screaming

"Dammit, we need to kill Mastin before he screws us over"*. ).

*I can see pretty much any player on this list giving me the veto. Which'd leave me as definitely nightkillable.

A few things:

Why to some extent Tammy, my ego is wounded.

Your townbloc feels forced. It is basically picking the strongest players and saying let's evaluating who I think the weaker players. If you're scum you've effectively tried to make nice with those who might catch you, and let's face it, playing scum in this playlist would be a nightmare. I'd rather just evaluate you all naturally and let a town bloc form from that, if one actually forms.

BUT you cooing about how you might be the veto sounds kinda townish, but I remember you and know you have a tendency to hide behind your ego as scum, so it's nothing definitive at this point. <----------waffle meter at 9.6

[Tammy]

Does your vote have anything to do with my horrible play in Walking Dead?

Mastin's opening reminds me of his opening in Walking Dead.
Weird.

The problem with this is that I was

scum

in Walking Dead, and yet you're not voting me here for behavior you are saying you think is similar. Which I feel a town-you would do.

I'm not voting you, that's true.
And you hardly know my playstyle.
If you do, summarise it to see how much you know about this silky man.

at least mastin didn't blatantly lie like saying something about having experience with my play.

you guys literally just played together.

[Tammy]

It strikes me that your proposal is a pretty decent way to subvert the formation of a genuine townbloc.

Fail to see how. It may delay the formation of one, but not eliminate it. After one week, just take a look at the fake-townbloc, look at the players outside the fake-townbloc, and figure out the real townbloc from that. If anything, I'd think it'd be easier. Delayed, yes. But more effective when actually formed. The idea here is to make a true townbloc with greater ease and accuracy by waiting to form a true townbloc for half a day phase.

Buuuuuut, I don't want the idea of discussing townblocs to be the center of attention. We can discuss it, sure, yeah. If my idea is not followed and you want to ask about my alignment from this idea, sure, yeah, can do. But I don't want us to get side-tracked from scumhunting via having the discussion dominated by the idea. Agree?

But that is exactly what you tried to do by making a pre-formed town bloc...halt the normal scumhunting procedure.

[Tammy]

Hello.

Vote: Tammy

Please quick-lynch Tammy for revenge due to her accidental quick-hammer of me last game.

It will be funny.

I'm still so very sorry

[Tammy]

VOTE: mastin

[Tammy]

I think Magenta is scum
I'm getting too many townreads.

what's your read on mastin?

[Tammy]

I thought Tammy was probably Veto, Orci thought we were likely to be Veto

lol. I don't know why I would be veto. I'm hard to mislynch, but I don't know if everyone here knows that. But some people *like nacho* think I'm easy to manipulate, so I might not be considered an actual threat.

[Tammy]

9. magenta_thegreat, orcinus_theoriginal counterclaimed my doc claim in skype mafia and people believed him and Ms Marangal is my mentor, my favourite player and the godmother of my first-born child

TIP <3

are you scum with Nacho?

wait wait wait...are you scumreading tip?

You know how to read him, right?

[Tammy]

NACHOOOOOOOO - VOTE MASTIN WITH ME!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tammy]

he can be arrogant as fuck as town bro

OMG but you know he's arrogant as fuck scum too.

I mean like here (also he was scum at the same time elsewhere acting the same way.)

Nacho come on.

[Tammy]

NACHOOOOOOOO - VOTE MASTIN WITH ME!!!!!!!!!!!

Have you explained your rationale?

Besides thinking he feels off?

Why do you think he's town?

[Tammy]

NACHOOOOOOOO - VOTE MASTIN WITH ME!!!!!!!!!!!

Have you explained your rationale?

Why are you trying to disrupt my ability to get a read on mastin or nacho?

[Tammy]

VOTE: nacho

[Tammy]

NACHOOOOOOOO - VOTE MASTIN WITH ME!!!!!!!!!!!

Have you explained your rationale?

Besides thinking he feels off?

Why do you think he's town?

[Tammy]

NACHOOOOOOOO - VOTE MASTIN WITH ME!!!!!!!!!!!

Have you explained your rationale?

Why are you trying to disrupt my ability to get a read on mastin or nacho?

No, I'm trying to understand why you think Mastin is scum. Maybe you'll convince us? It's a pretty tentative read atm.

He feels wrong. I'm probably not going to be able to convince you with a case right now, but his articificial town block along with some weird easy votes make me worry. nachos' weird protection also feels wrong. I just would really like you guys to give me this to see what comes of it.

[Tammy]

Oh wait here, here is mastin in voided's nightless. Now you tell me he doesn't have the ego to try what he has tried here.http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=26421

[Tammy]

Tammy, what are you specifically asking for with "give me this to see what comes of it"?

Do you want me to define the specific words in that sentence or what? Because I think that's particularly self-explanatory and think this is a stupid question designed to look like you're being inquisitive.

[Tammy]

and speaking of becoming Obv town, I'm not seeing it yet. what's taking so long tammy?

I was obvtown with my first post if you know how to read me or are town.

And I'll respond to the rest tomorrow after work, but right now I just want to give you a resounding fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck yyyyyyyyyyooooooooooooooooooouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu.


If you're town here, you just better be trolling me and that's all I've got to say before tomorrow.

[Tammy]

I'm V/la until Friday. I have a really busy important week this week. I should have some time to at least get caught up tomorrow and Wednesday though.

[Tammy]

Acknowledging prod so I don't get force replaced even though I made it clear I was v/la until tomorrow.

[Tammy]

Tammy, here
I don't think Nacho and Mastin are scum together

Thanks. I've seen you open as scum like this but not in the last game we played in as town. And apparently you have some tell that I'm trying to figure out.

[Tammy]

Holy shit nacho's town.

[Tammy]

I wish Mara was still alive so I could bitch her out about that obtown by page 7 question a little more and continuing to push it like it's a thing.

[Tammy]

Hi Bert!

[Tammy]

Oh that play sounds creepy. Yes, we could dig them up, sit them down and yell "what were you thinking?" Like if I were around I'd have been all over them as much as Nacho was because even reading it right now where I know they're town they look scummy. Or maybe it's just frustrating.

So!

Who do you think is scum Bert?

[Tammy]

GODDUCKINGDAMMIT CALL ME JACOB ONE MORE TIME

say what one more goddamn time!

[Tammy]

I liked Tammy's reaction alot, and I liked her reaction when I called her out for not being obv. town fast enough.

Okay now I feel bad for saying I wanted to bitch at her.

[Tammy]

ProjectMatt is probstown.

[Tammy]

am i the only one who gets really irrationally frustrated by mastin's posts?

it's the smilies

[Tammy]

nacho what do you think about [url=http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=350] mastin [/post] ?

[Tammy]

fracking hell this post

[Tammy]

i'm forming my block now.
i'm interested in what tammy has to say.

I'm surprised at the sos kill at this point. I think it would be too easy to go after sos for their day one reads. Obv their magenta read was wrong; it would be easy to manipulate. Have to look back to see if it's actually anything though.

You're town, Projectmatt is probably town. I'd love to hear your feedback on mastin and tip. I know SoS can't really read TiP but Mara can and she was waffling. That has me concerned.

[Tammy]

1. Nachomamma8
4. Tammy
5. Darger
6. phokdapolees
7. projectmatt
8. TheIrishPope

Brief thoughts, but basically--
Tammy doesn't particularly look town to me, but I kinda have a feeling she is. Her aura seems to portray that town alignment, and the interactions with others look like those of a town player.
Projectmatt remains a player I've got pegged as mislynch bait--that is, scummy, but town.
TIP is a player who

could

be scum, but I don't think

is

scum.

And that leaves, for two scum slots, Darger, phok, and Nacho.

Now I would absolutely love to be wrong about Nacho being scum, but thing is, I don't think I am. The two dead players (ffery and Mara) both know Nacho incredibly well. (Granted, SoS was a near-universal townread, so that's an equally-probable cause for nightkill. But still, ffery dieing N1

always

makes me paranoid of Nacho. )

Both phok and darker are basically non-entities in the game. Both can be scum, both via POE and just overall lack of contribution. IF I'm right about Nacho being scum, I lean towards it being Darger, because I don't think Nacho would defend phok the way he did if they were both scum. (Granted, it's theoretically possible Nacho would be town and wrong about phok, with phok as scum. I just don't think it's true.)

I don't really get this though. I didn't post at all past that first night, so the majority of what I did was push you and nacho early day one and wasn't around for the mara push. So, what have I done to have the aura of town? And why are your scum reads two people who have barely posted and Nacho, who if sure yes if the mara hydra had flipped chosen I'd be totally with you on paranoia station but they didn't, so I don't see the push being anything other than what he actually thought. But I just think that he's doing his rare really involved day one town play that I wouldn't expect if he's scum. I mean I guess if he dips low and all of a sudden gets disengaged that's a thing, but I don't get your poe pool coming out of day one as it looks like it's disjointed with how day one actually played out.

[Tammy]

I realize that the latter half of SoS's iso is basically Magenta-TIP being a scumteam, and not on Nacho. But I don't think a scum-TIP makes that kill. At least, not a scum-TIP who makes that kill for the reasoning of being scumread by that slot. As much as my faith in TIP's abilities as a scum player have been shaken, I don't think he's THAT stupid. Sure, yeah, could be because of any number of factors. Universal townread, strong player, likely to figure things out after seeing the magenta townflip*, and so on and so forth. But those are null because they apply to every player, and not TIP specifically.

*This one's a biggie.

So although everyone would make that kill regardless of anything, scum TiP wouldn't make it because? I'm not following.

[Tammy]

I'm caught up...yay me!

Nacho is town. Projectmatt is probstown.

I want to believe that mastin is town, and I'll wiat to hear what nacho says on this, though I don't have high hopes based on what I think is weird suspicion coming from him.

Nacho - what do you think of Bert so far? I kinda like him.

But I think that literally leaves my lynch pool of phokdapolees and TiP and that can't be right. I have to be misreading somewhere or overlooking someone as town that I shouldn't be.

I have some other games to catch up in tonight, but this weekend I'll iso some people to try to nail down my thoughts.

[Tammy]

I wish if I were scum it would be with Nacho as that would probably be fun <3

You probably shouldn't have any idea of me Bert. I was only here for the first night then everything went kabloohey.

[Tammy]

Tomorrow, tomorrow, I'll get to this tomorrow.

[Tammy]

I'm catching up here tonight promise promise.

[Tammy]

Also Tammy

I'll say your name 10 times and hope you appear

*clears his throat*

Liar.

[Tammy]

But mastin-scum also knows when I expect him to townread me (he did it at a pretty good time in Walking Dead), so I don't think he would pull this with me if he was scum? And his day 1 play was pretty obnoxiously town, I just have tiny niggles that hold me back on him although I really, really shouldn't be.

Okay, I've only played with the both of you as separate players once, but I remember him scum reading you in Good vs. Evil when he was scum and you were town? My memory could be rusty and I'll have to look back; that *might* have just been endgame though and not relevant at all.

[Tammy]

Nacho is town.

This makes me feel a lot better. Unless you drew scum with Nacho, to which I say WHAT DID I DO TO DESERVE THIS MUCKERY!

He'd probably bus me

[Tammy]

like Tammy but she is such a sweetheart I cannot call her scum,

<3 flattery will get you everywhere mister.

I'll just call you town

[Tammy]

What have I done to have the aura of town?

Was planning on getting to that on Monday. In part, though, I have to admit...one reason I have you as town is because you said that a person really knowing what they were looking for would be calling you obvtown. I seem to recall hearing that from you every previous time you've been town. (Granted, I don't think I've ever seen you as scum.)

You've seen me as a serial killer >_<

But, I actually like this reason for town reading me. I remember getting really weirded out by you in Happy Tree Friends for giving me a town read on my rvs post and deciding you guys had to be scum for it and was wrong, so I'm inclined to believe that you pick up on these types of things. I've never said this as scum though; I feel like my scum game is incredibly obvious and everything I say sounds fake.

So although everyone would make that kill regardless of anything, scum TiP wouldn't make it because? I'm not following.

Scum TIP wouldn't make that kill because of the suspicion on him. He might make the kill for other reasons, but if he's scum, I doubt it was because they scumread him.
[/quote]

That doesn't discount that a team with TiP on it would have made that kill though.

[Tammy]

I was trying to leave 'crumbs of being a role with a guilty on Nacho, so that assuming we didn't lynch him or me today, we'd have info overnight. Scum try to kill me? Nacho's scum for realz. Scum try to kill someone else? Nacho's not scum, and we get ahead knowing that.

...At least, that was the idea. It had a ton of flaws. Mainly? I screwed up by using only the bold tag rather than the vote tag, Nacho is smart enough that he probably could figure this strategy out and leave me alive intentionally, the inactivity surrounding this game, and requiring us to lynch someone else when a lynch on Nacho or me is where the day was looking like it was heading.

It's possible that I could benefit from waiting to make this reveal later, but given so many people slacking off, and me being limited by that forced restriction, I needed to discard it in order to free me up for playing more naturally. (By which, I mean, proactively. )

I don't know if it's because it's late, I've barely slept in days and am freaking exhausted right now, but I don't understand any of this.

[Tammy]

I think Mastin's chosen.

Derp. I forgot that this game

doesn't

have power roles. At least, power roles that know they're power roles.

Now that I've actually remembered the setup of the game we're playing, that does mean that SoS was probably the veto. (That, or the RNG gods just gave them a bad hand. ) But I need to reread things to think things through.

Mastin. Have you ever faked not knowing the setup as scum?

[Tammy]

Because hammering him now would be horrendously stupid when we've done shit-all for the entire day?

What happened to

QUICKLYNCH QUICKLYNCH QUICKLYNCH

You goin soft on me Nacho?

[Tammy]

mastin's town because gut

your face is town because gut

[Tammy]

Because hammering him now would be horrendously stupid when we've done shit-all for the entire day?

Dunno, it gives scum less chance to react but I see what you mean
Though, it creates the chance of the wagon dissipating...

Like I want to twitch the hell out of this, but then I think why would scum say this, but then I remember it's TiP and I just don't know.

[Tammy]

TIP's opening seems pretty town but it can be faked, I tend to lean town

My problem with the opening is I've seen him open like that as scum more than once.

[Tammy]

Yeah, I just got there Bert!

I did! See hydraing with me is beneficial no matter what Empire or Syryana say :/

[Tammy]

Cool.

Vote: Bert

This doesn't make you look town, cuz can't tell if your trying to sort me out ain't genuine or not

(HEY SYRYANA. EVER HEARD OF A VOTE COUNT?)

Are you still voting Bert, Nacho? Because if so, is this really how you would expect him to react to a vote on him from you?

[Tammy]

I took a nice nap after our tit for tatty. Lemme see. Yes, Multiball. But, I'd think you need more time to sort out Tammy

I'm relatively easy to sort out if you know what you're looking for.

[Tammy]

Yes, Multiball. But, I'd think you need more time to sort out Tammy and projectmatt (who haven't been hrre that much) to get firmer reads before you POE like you did in Mismatched? And people like phok, and then TIP who Mara was waffling on?

Sure I need more time to fully sort things out, hence my passivity. That doesn't mean I'm not going to working with certain scumteam models when a certain group of players seem town. I am starting to get restless about Tammy, though. She should be in my townblock but the only person who has earned a solid spot there so far is mastin.

You're joking right?

[Tammy]

Same question to Tammy; where's your work?

Never take me at face-value if I say I'll catch up in a game at the beginning of the week.

[Tammy]

I need Tammy to talk more.

Talk Talk

[Tammy]

Painting would be making numerous posts explaining why
This was just a comment

*twitch*

I'd have felt a lot better if you'd just said, Oh yeah I said that forgot, instead of making a semantic argument over it to defend yourself.

[Tammy]

Okay Nach let's talk. Althought probably tomorrow, I doubt I'll be up much longer tonight; I have to try to get some sleep before I make myself sick. So.

I want to talk to you about Bert and Mastin.

I think I know why you're townreading Mastin and I want to hear it from you so I know how much to take your town read into account. And, are you just joking or reaction testing with the Bert suspicion? There's only one thing that I can think of that would make you suspect him, and want to hear it from you to see if that's what you're going for. But, I think that his reaction to your vote looks town and not sure if he'd react that way as scum.

Can you please start posting with the passion you had on day one again though?

[Tammy]

I just had a flash of something.

Mastin. Chosen.

Reminder for me to look back at something tomorrow.

[Tammy]

Sleep well!!

Yay 80's music talk talk thumbs up dang I grew up in the wrong era

e

Thanks Bert!

And yeah, 80s music kicks ass.

[Tammy]

You're joking right?

PLEASE JUST LET ME GET PARANOID SOMETIMES

No. >_>

And, are you just joking or reaction testing with the Bert suspicion?

I don't suspect Bert so much anymore.[/quote]

You didn't talk to me about Mastin.

[Tammy]

Mastin. Have you ever faked not knowing the setup as scum?

Fairly certain the answer's no. The results would end up looking faked, because they'd actually BE faked.

That doesn't give me towncred, though. I legitimately forgot the setup, but that doesn't mean I'm town. (I am. But not for that reason. ) I either legitimately forgot the setup as town, or legitimately forgot the setup as scum, but I did in fact legitimately forget the setup.

I just had a flash of something.
Mastin. Chosen.
Reminder for me to look back at something tomorrow.

You referring to TIP's comments along those lines?

No. It was along the lines of me wondering if you faked not knowing the setup.

[Tammy]

So I might as well get this over with.

Unvote.

I was trying to leave 'crumbs of being a role with a guilty on Nacho, so that assuming we didn't lynch him or me today, we'd have info overnight. Scum try to kill me? Nacho's scum for realz. Scum try to kill someone else? Nacho's not scum, and we get ahead knowing that.

...At least, that was the idea. It had a ton of flaws. Mainly? I screwed up by using only the bold tag rather than the vote tag, Nacho is smart enough that he probably could figure this strategy out and leave me alive intentionally, the inactivity surrounding this game, and requiring us to lynch someone else when a lynch on Nacho or me is where the day was looking like it was heading.

It's possible that I could benefit from waiting to make this reveal later, but given so many people slacking off, and me being limited by that forced restriction, I needed to discard it in order to free me up for playing more naturally. (By which, I mean, proactively. )

And basically, know what my approach is?

"SCREW IT, let's just go with my gut."

And that's where I'm at right now.

I'm sure there's a ton of logical reasons for Tammy to be town, and if I bothered, I could list them. But bluntly? The main reason she's town is gut, and very strong gut at that, but still little more than gut. While I was initially bothered by her opening posts, this has subsided with her overall play emanating an aura of towniness. Though she

could

be scum, at this point, I've basically said, "SCREW IT, IF SHE'S SCUM, I'M LETTING HER WIN."

Okay this is what I had a flash of last night. This is the post he made right before TiP mentioned the thing about Mastin being Chosen and then Mastin remembering what the setup was.

He said in here that he was initially bothered by my opening posts. But, here's my opening post:

'sup bitches.

So, I had a thought. We should massclaim, and just not lynch the chosen ones.

Game solved.

I'm a genius.

Which was a joke about the setup

and a reference to Syry mocking me after asking the dumbest question ever before the game

. So, if you were bothered by my opening post, which mentioned the setup, how do you in the same post forget what the setup was?

[Tammy]

So, if you were bothered by my opening post, which mentioned the setup, how do you in the same post forget what the setup was?

You're working under the assumption that I actually

checked

your posts. You give me too much credit; I'm a slacker.

I was working off of memory. I remembered not liking your early posts. So I said that I remembered not liking your early posts. (Okay, so I said 'initially bothered by', but same idea. My past self was bothered by them. I didn't say I had checked them again more recently, because I haven't. I need to reread, yes, but right now, I haven't done so.)

I was kinda hoping you'd try to explain it away as something other than this.

[Tammy]

Hang on. I'm trying to find the most appropriate gif for your dumb vote on me earlier.

These things take time.

Frack.

[Tammy]

Vote: Tammy

For now, gut. Going over this game via audio this afternoon.

Love, Bert

FOUND IT.

[Tammy]

[Tammy]

I'll be right back though Bert!

[Tammy]

You have been stuck in mehville too! Is that your hometown?

My home town is townietowntown.

Where'd you go Bertikens?

[Tammy]

Gaaaaah idk what to do.

What happened to you being oh so certain on Phok?

[Tammy]

Inorite?!?

He'd tell you the error of your ways if he were around.

[Tammy]

Still working on that, but vibe-wise Tammy just isn't cutting it. Those scattered posts in the catch-up isn't matching up with my expectations/memory of her, just doesn't feel that good so far. She needs to do more of the talk talk <3

You clearly don't have enough experience with me then.

[Tammy]

Mastin. Chosen.

Reminder for me to look back at something tomorrow.

REMINDER REMINDER REMINDER

I already did this. The day I said I would. Mastin's already even responded to me about this.

[Tammy]

And also an update on what Tammy's catchup feels like to you.

Town, but not town enough.

Are you reaction testing me?

[Tammy]

What do you think if TIP possibly going after Phok-chosen? Dem quick votes

My problem is that I have differing levels of town reads on most everyone else so that Phok and TiP are the people I have as scum. But that can't be right. I just don't think that both of them are scum. And I'd guess if I'm right that at least one of them are, then it would be TiP over Phok but I'd really like to sort out everyone else to make sure I'm not overlooking anything.

[Tammy]

Town, but

not town enough

.

Yeah, that was what I worried you might say, especially after Stacking the Deck where you said you didn't know if you would have been able to catch Tammy had you lived on to D2.

You do realize this is nothing like Stacking the Deck, right?

[Tammy]

Town, but

not town enough

.

Yeah, that was what I worried you might say, especially after Stacking the Deck where you said you didn't know if you would have been able to catch Tammy had you lived on to D2.

I'll be able to catch Tammy if she's scum today because I'm not cutting her shit for slack.

Let's dance Nacho. And then when you're certain of the obvious, can you help me figure out this shit? Cuz that would own.

[Tammy]

That's just...mean.

[Tammy]

(It just makes me even more paranoid than I already am.)

[Tammy]

Consensus seems to be Phok, TIP and I don't think it's right either

<Mastin Nacho Matt> along with me, you and <phok, tip>

I'm not even sure if there is scum in the latter

They're just low hanging fruit tbh, no one is taking charge

See that's part of my problem, is that they are the lowest. I mean they *could* be scum, but it doesn't feel right that it's both of them. But if one of them isn't scum then one of {you, Nacho, Mastin, ProjectMatt} is scum. I'm having a hard time seeing Nacho as scum after the way he went after Mara day one and then after he was insistent about his towniness day two to Mastin. I think that your reactions to Nacho look pretty town as does your paranoia? of me (although I'd like to see a more heightened paranoia tbd)

That leaves me Mastin and ProjectMatt. I don't have Mastin as strong as town as Nacho does. I think I know why Nacho is reading Mastin as town, but he doesn't feel overly town to me at all. And ProjectMatt feels town to me, but I will admit that I could be overcompensating due to the quickhammer I gave him in Wingate Mansion as I have a tendency to overlook things like that.

So, I just don't know.

[Tammy]

I really wish that Nacho was around tonight so that we could dance and I could be sure through our dance of my read on him and vice versa and then we could try to figure some of this out.

[Tammy]

and i don't even know what to tell you. i can tell you mastin is town, and bert is town, and I am obviously town. and I like your reactions, but they aren't BLOW ME AWAY TAMMY-TOWN, SHOW ME A WHOLE NEW WORLD. if you can just look a little bit townier, just a little tiny bit, game is pretty much solved. just reassure me.

Are you takig to me?

I’ve already towntold though Nacho, I mean for you at least I should have. And I’m really surprised you don’t see it because I think out of anyone here, you should. I think I’ve been incredibly transparent even if I haven’t been around a whole long time, but for anyone here it should be clear to you. There is literally no way that I could join this game in what lighthearted mood I did if I were scum because this playerlist would have just made me fucking depressed as hell.

And even even if you don’t recognize that, you know that you’d be dead right now if I were scum right? I mean wifom aside or whatever, but if I actually had a say in anything, you’d have been veto’d immediately so that I could kill you night one, because you’d be the one most likely to catch me. And you know what, I know that Bert brought up Stacking the Deck, but my end of day one play was designed to get you to town read me in case you were bodyguarded and lived past me killing you night one. There is none of that here…at all. And you know why?

Because I’m town and you should know that.

[Tammy]

I think there's scum inside and I would bet the game on it.

I have an extraordinarily strong feeling to the opposite effect if Tammy would just town the fuck up for me.

It is. It is. though and I can't understand how you can't see that I've already towned the fuck up.

[Tammy]

BAWWWW NOW NOW NOW

I Um...dont' think those are the lyrics....like at all (besides pina coladas, but!)

[Tammy]

Let's dance Nacho. And then when you're certain of the obvious, can you help me figure out this shit? Cuz that would own.

i know your a tacher and wouldn't approve but
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AI0gk2KJeho

[Tammy]

I really wish that Nacho was around tonight so that we could dance and I could be sure through our dance of my read on him and vice versa and then we could try to figure some of this out.

I AM TOWNIER THAN YOUUUU

NOOOOOO YYYYYOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUU'''''''''''RRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEE


NNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTTT

[Tammy]

I already said why you're scum and I can't fathom why you're not lynched yet
And yes omg you are scum

If you're going to lynch by gut, might as well tell us who else is scum by gut. Go for a harder lynch maybe? And you know who's next if phok flips town? Probably you, because the other players are content saying "I don't know what's going on, we gonna figure this out, but PoE leads to Phok and Tip (maybe Bert)." See Mastin's last posts for one person who has this PoE reasoning down to a tee, man.

Because your case is "he imitates my scum play," and this is not really an accurate tell - I tried this in my last 3p LYLO yesterday as part of my flimsy reasoning... and I looked like a buffoon afterwards. Find someone else or tell us why else phok is scum.

and Nacho you voted phok for gut only. Who else is scum by gut?

Tammy it's not D3 yet, you're not allowed to say "something's wrong and I don't find anyone else that scummy, something's seriously wrong." Because I said so!

i think any day is correct for me to determine my reads and see which is correct and which is stupid.

[Tammy]

Thoughts about the game? I had Phok as scum in 1419 and then abandoned that read at deadline, just like I did here, and he flipped scum haha

Messes with me head a bit!

You're all....I need....to get by...iiiiii

You're like the morning rainnn...

I can't forget you...

i didn't even see this BERT. MS is totally fucked up right now.

[Tammy]

PHOK BEETLEJUICE BEETLEJUICE Please promise to be here before deadline so we can talk! And TIP can get out of his tunnel! Man screw being controlled and being low-hanging fruit man, we got 3 votes let's bond together.

COME ON WE GOT THIS, we will not listen to dem scumbags.

NO NO NO NO NO NO this does not feel right at all Bert. I totally said last night that i would appreciate it a bit more if you were more paranoid, and then today you go fully blow scatalogical and i realy don't know what to think of you anymore.

[Tammy]

Yeah but I am idling with that vote though.

Also, one of you two is going down and I offer you two immunity from my vote today.

Also, we should try to get Matt to work together. One of you is going to die if we don't do something before deadline.

I'll work on TIP and try to get out of this dumb tunnel.

unvote

I will go check Matt's reads as I think he's town. The other three can do whatever they want, I'm not overly impressed with any of them. And their freakin plan Day 1 about ignoring each other and dismissing as town, while looking at US ONLY. This is PAYBACK for mastin's plan that people are defending. I won't take none of that.

*twitch* *twitch* *twitch*

[Tammy]

Problem is you two (and me too) are traditionally scummy but often not actual scum. You're pretty new, phok, and TIP pings in all of his games. As do I.

And so it's no surprise that we are the most scrutinized here and will go down 1 by 1. No one's really defending you two, which bothers me just as much.

See Nacho and Tammy and Mastin just willing to throw yall away and lynch you? Same with Matt too. That suggests that scum are likely outside of you two as no one's doing anything to stop you two's wagons. That's what's so wrong about this in my brain and gut.

That's where I'm at. You feel me?

This like does not actually come close to what is going on in this game though Bert. Like not at all. And it makes me feel really really wary of you right now. Because if you had actually been paying attention to what I've been doing this day phase there is literally no way you'd have gone with the route...not at all bert.

[Tammy]

Your being so unsure of me makes me worry

Ffery went all "I'm unsure about you Bert" in that 1436 that just ended.

Mastin said the same thing.

Never never compare me to someone else

are you really really trying to tell me me being wary of what your peddling is worrisome?

are you serious?!?

[Tammy]

I am paying attention in my own special needy way

You know that.

Why don't you understand why I might not like your vibe so far?

Because I'm pretty obvious town at this point Bert, and I was from the start, and I just don't see how you don't see that.

[Tammy]

Yes it is Tammy. Phok and TIP go today and tomorrow

It feels set in stone. It's a nagging feeling that something's wrong

Try to see it from a townie perspective, from someone who is clueless and has no solid reads, much less on Nacho and Mastin

Oh. My. Gods.

[Tammy]

Are you kidding because

Everyone's reads list looks that way

Tell me with a straight face that there's a chance in hell that Mastin or nacho or Matt dies tomorrow

Zilch.

Zero.

Not happening with those two alive

No, you know what, you're probably right, but you accusing me of not looking anywhere else is laughable.

And you're let's not let any "low hanging fruit" get lynched is just as bad as mastin's "let's form the strong player town block" was.

Because you know as well as I do that either can get town roles and either can get scum roles.

And I'm not sure exactly what you're doing right now because it's not actually looking at anyone's play and is going scattershot lalallalalallalalaallala which will just cause us to fucking lose if scum is in the traditional low hanging fruit which it totally can be. YOU KNOW.

[Tammy]

Wait did you just hammer Bert?

[Tammy]

And like I think this was probably a town hammer, but did you really hammer?

[Tammy]

Okay i just checked and that really is a hammer as far as i can tell, so let's just *cross fingers* that it's right.

[Tammy]

my kitten is sitting at my feet purring so maybe that's a good sign Bert!

[Tammy]

Okay so for tomorrow, I really think that Nacho and Bert are more likely town. Mastin and ProjectMatt are in the same kinda "I want them to be town but I'm not sure" category. And I still worry about TiP, but just like I said before, I'm not sure about him being scum, so there is scum in my town reads I'm sure but I'm not sure who.

[Tammy]

Bert - I dont' think this is anythign like Wingate.

[Tammy]

I'm a rebel and free!!! Sound familiar, Tammy???? YEAH, that's right!!! We aren't sweethearts!

[Tammy]

Bert why did you leave me?

Nacho are you not around at all?

[Tammy]

Also, Nacho dying makes sense in that he's not here to defend me. I know this is WIFOM, but I will town it up today and do everything possible to survive today and give us a good shot at making it to a 3p LYLO.

.

I don't think you're scum Bert.

[Tammy]

Who would you say Matt?

[Tammy]

Bert town told the night of the lynch.

[Tammy]

Read his posts. His paranoia was insane. Look at how he got paranoid of me for doubting him. If he's scum, he should win an oscar. I just don think it comes from scum.

[Tammy]

Then why did you say you were asking him terrible questions to get him to town tell?

[Tammy]

Gah...my internet at home is crapping out. I'll finish reading mastin's wall and stuff when I get to the coffee shop.

[Tammy]

So, sometimes I think I can wall, and then I read a post by mastin.

[Tammy]

So, there's a really really really high percentage one of Mastin or TiP are scum.

TiP voted Mastin at the start of the day. Everyone's been around and posting and there's been no hammers. Of course, this is less strong in 5 person than in 3 person lylo, but still. One would think that scum would have figured out a way to make the lynch happen if they were both town and didn't.

[Tammy]

Tammy what do you think of Mastin's wall? Weird that he steps it up today of all days, or is he accustomed to strong day starts?

I haven't played that much with Mastin. I've seen him as scum once in multiball where I was scum reading him, and Nacho was arguing with me telling me I was wrong iirc, but he made a misstep in "lylo" in that he came into LyLo basically disregarding me as town and it's what tipped Nacho into realizing that he was scum. (I say "lylo" because it wasn't a traditional LyLo due to a multiple town setup.) Anyway, his approach to this lylo is different, and I do feel myself a little swayed by the statements like he would have killed nacho night one not night two, but that might be because it's what my argument would be right now too.

But it does feel weird that I've been suspecting him all game to a certain degree and I'm alive over Nacho. Although I think it would bother me more if he was seriously pushing you because then that would make sense for him to get rid of the one person who would be able to defend you. But, he's waffled on you and ultimately suggested you're town, so that makes me go hrm.

Basically I need toreread over some things, but I do think there's something to the fact that everyone has been posting and there've been no hammers.

[Tammy]

But it does feel weird that I've been suspecting him all game to a certain degree and I'm alive over Nacho.

It bothers me that both you and mastin are alive <3

I'm not too happy about it either.

So, there's a really really really high percentage one of Mastin or TiP are scum.

they are cross-voting now =/

Yeah, I know. Right now I'm trying to figure out what that means.

[Tammy]

I think I'm going to vote Tammy *eventually*, but I'm not going to place my vote and make the same mistakes I've made too many times to count, which is to vote early in LYLO. So I'm going to refrain, especially since this is purely gut that hasn't gone away since Day 2. The way she talks to me and has been talking to me doesn't feel quite right.

I thought about all the gut feelings I've had this game since I came in, and gut-wise I have to go with Tammy. 1 hour of mulling at dinner. That's all I have gut-wise. Now back to talking to you all and discussing things for the rest of the game day. Wanted to write here what I'm feeling so I don't forget where my head has been at, and to let you all know where it has been at.

I can't shake off the feeling that TIP is too easy of a lynch (darn low-hanging fruit paranoia won't go away), and for better or worse I anticipate my stubbornness leading to caving in last minute and hammering TIP, but...

I hope I stick to my guns this time. Time for discussion and also I need to listen/skim some tonight.

- Bert

I've been talking with you just fine. I mean I get paranoia I really do, but it just doesn't make much sense and if you look back over my play you'll see I'm town here Bert.

[Tammy]

What do you think about TiP and Mastin cross voting and my theory that there has to be scum in them?

[Tammy]

Actually, I think it almost has to be. I need to go look at the timing of some posts.

[Tammy]

VOTE: tip

[Tammy]

SHEW

[Tammy]

ME TOO AND THE ONE EARLIER

[Tammy]

ME TOO. AND THEN I WAS LIKE FUCK FUCK FUCK WHY DIDN'T I JUST HAVE THE BALLS TO VOTE

[Tammy]

SORRY BERT

[Tammy]

I cannot believe we actually won that game. When I got my role pm, I was spamming Syryana about how it was going to be impossible to win in this playerlist, and I really think if it weren't for the modkill day one the game would have gone quite a bit differently.

But, yay! Matt you were a great partner. Sorry I didn't vote earlier today but I was too nervous.

Good game all. It was fun playing with everyone.

Sorry Bert. I feel bad for frustrating you the other night to where you ended up voting Phokdapolees. TiP and Phok were the chosen and I was dancing around them a bit because I didn't want to be so obvious that we needed them lynched. I expected to be lynched today though.

Is there a dead qt?

[Tammy]

Oh also, this is the first time I called myself obviously town when I've been scum :/ (It felt really dirty too.)

[Tammy]

Oh also, this is the first time I called myself obviously town when I've been scum :/ (It felt really dirty too.)

I actually pegged you before I asked syr for spoilers because of the way you did that.

I thought that was the most town thing I did all game. That's a response town me would have given actually, and have in numerous town games (but never scum ones.)

[Tammy]

Sorry mastin

If it makes you feel any better, you almost did get mislynched by scum. Matt and I just were both too nervous to vote at that time.