Micro 186: Vengeball (Game is over)

[Jake from State Farm]

Howdy

[Jake from State Farm]

vote: katsuki

[Jake from State Farm]

Most of his posts do, but 1 post pretty much confirms he's scum.

Lets lynch him please

[Jake from State Farm]

Most of his posts do, but 1 post pretty much confirms he's scum.

Lets lynch him please

[Jake from State Farm]

Damn phone

[Jake from State Farm]

Yeah.. the PMs aren't exactly consistent. I couldn't find anything on wiki when I checked either.

Judging by the scum PM posted though, I assume it's just the team whos godfather is lynched loses.

Mod, you need to clarify setup.. as well as our PMs...

this one

[Jake from State Farm]

You were the other person who asked for clarification, so I'm not suprised at your reluctance to sheep

[Jake from State Farm]

forgot he already had a vote on him before I voted

[Jake from State Farm]

Ok... considering mod sent us the wrong town pms, how does that make me scum exactly?

Your reaction seemed fake, plus if there was an issue with your role pm regular townie would just pm the mod, I do when I have questions about the role pm.

It's an obvious attenpt to seem pro-town. Plus it looked like a bit of masked paranoia to me.

[Jake from State Farm]

But that'd require extra clicking (read PM, checked wiki link, went to thread, saw OP, posted).

You have modded a vengeful before though, so you are familiar with the GF dying aspect. Reading that any GF dies and town auto win would pretty much freak scum out. That's the vibe I got from you.

Multi ball just means 2 scum teams iirc, so why would you have to go to the wiki?

[Jake from State Farm]

Katsuki/Siv for 1 team

Just got to find the other.

This game is easy

[Jake from State Farm]

Yeah I could be wrong about him.

[Jake from State Farm]

But that'd require extra clicking (read PM, checked wiki link, went to thread, saw OP, posted).

You have modded a vengeful before though, so you are familiar with the GF dying aspect. Reading that any GF dies and town auto win would pretty much freak scum out. That's the vibe I got from you.

Multi ball just means 2 scum teams iirc, so why would you have to go to the wiki?

I've probably played upwards 100 vengefuls including RL.

Your point?

you implied your reaction couldn't be fake because that would require you to do all of these things.

But that'd require extra clicking (read PM, checked wiki link, went to thread, saw OP, posted).

when in reality all you had to do is read pm, come to thread and see siv's post, and fake react.

[Jake from State Farm]

This level of scumhunting is laughable.

But I can't even be angry given the number of scum on my wagon.

do you typically omgus or just this game?

[Jake from State Farm]

no, you made up a scenario to explain why your reaction means you are town.

[Jake from State Farm]

Also lets play a game since I'm bored.

Jake since you went through the trouble of finding that I've actually modded a vengeful before, let me know if I've ever scumslipped in any scum game I've played before (I scumslip all the time, just never as scum).

I didn't go through all your games, I just went to your topic list and typed in "vengeful" in the search box.

p.edit - I didn't make up anything. I don't believe you went to the wiki, you would have no reason to given your familiarity of the vengeful setup.

[Jake from State Farm]

was that not hammer? ill be sad if it wasnt

I think he is at L-1 actually

[Jake from State Farm]

Oh if I do get lynched between hammer and mod posting,

lynch Jake after me thanks.

why not just venge kill me?

oh wait...

[Jake from State Farm]

p.edit - I didn't make up anything. I don't believe you went to the wiki, you would have no reason to given your familiarity of the vengeful setup.

You made it up plain and simple, considering what you said is not what I did.

Familiarity with vengeful setup =/= familiarity with vengeball setup.

This is my first time seeing this setup, it didn't exist back when I played MS.

P-EDIt: I am.

I gave my opinion of what I think you did. I can't possibly know what you actually did, but what you "claim" you did I think was a lie. If you want to call that "making it up" OK that's your opinion, no matter how wrong it is.

[Jake from State Farm]

I have never played a multi-ball setup before and only replaced into a vengeful. I never looked up either setup on the wiki, cause it's fairly common sense.

p.edit - that's fine. you are entitled to your opinion. no matter how wrong it is.

[Jake from State Farm]

familiarity with vengeball setup

why not research it before you /in? or right after you /in?

why wait til you get your role pm before learning the setup?


and I stand corrected, I did use the wiki to learn about multi-ball, but I did it BEFORE I /in'd for the game. See

/186

I like vengefuls, adding in a multiball(which I had to quickly search to see what it was) seems like a fun game

p.edit - why do I need to apologize? if you are town that means I was wrong, being wrong doesn't mean having to say you're sorry

[Jake from State Farm]

I don't get why you voted twice

[Jake from State Farm]

I actually agree with the wisdom suspicion btw

[Jake from State Farm]

lol CD - I stole your spot

[Jake from State Farm]

Backtracking.

Now if I see a Wisdom LYNCH with you on it I'll reconsider.

how is it backtracking?

[Jake from State Farm]

how is it backtracking?

[Jake from State Farm]

Explain 99 then, possible that I'm misreading what youre saying.

I'm saying I agree wisdom is suspicious. But I never called him town.

[Jake from State Farm]

If you say so

[Jake from State Farm]

See this is how I know you aren't town. Townie would ask me why I found him suspicious. You just want to throw dirt on me.

I have a reason why I'm suspicious of him, now you will never know why

[Jake from State Farm]

I don't get why you voted twice

I hadn't unvoted, so I did just in case I needed to...

Also Jake, why do you find katsuki more suspicious than katsuki?

P-edit: well, crap on the 'never knowing' thing, cos I'd like to know why you find katsuki more suspicious than Wisdom.

If you read rift's recent post you may pick up on my reason for wisdom...

[Jake from State Farm]

My only issue with Jk is he essentially says scum has to act town and then goes and does something blatantly town.

[Jake from State Farm]

What what?

[Jake from State Farm]

I was responding to 133, for the most part I read JK as town but in one of his posts he made a comment about scum having to appear town and in that same post he does something which seems to be blatantly town. It struck me as odd and something i was gonna keep an eye on

[Jake from State Farm]

the bottom line with katsuki, is his reaction was completely over the top. If anyone is town reading him because of his reaction I swear you better just quit playing mafia, cause that is not how a townie should act.

I stand by my original post that his questioning the mod looked like scum paranoia and I don't buy for a minute that he looked up how to play this setup after the role PMs have already went out.

my vote won't be changing off katsuki. he's today's only lynch imo.

[Jake from State Farm]

no you aren't the first nor will you be the last but you said it and then posted something I interpreted to be an obvious attempt to appear town.

For me katsuki is most likely scum, so why would I vote for anyone else? I have explained my reasoning why I think he's scum

[Jake from State Farm]

it wasn't your vote that I had an issue with, it was you saying something very townie (telling people to not rush to a lynch, we need more discussion, etc) in the same post where you say scum has to appear town. It just struck me as odd. I didn't say this makes me think you are scum, but you are someone I want to keep an eye on.

I am fine with more discussion but won't be broken hearted if he was lynched without it. I am not pushing for him to be hammered like the others, but I am not changing my vote off of him.

[Jake from State Farm]

well, yeah imo he's today's lynch. I am not always listened too despite being right more often than wrong.

My gut says you will find at least 2 in this group - katsuki/Siv/Wisdom/Rift

[Jake from State Farm]

Why Siv?

his reaction to the katsuki wagon

[Jake from State Farm]

good job

[Jake from State Farm]

Bleh I come on to say I'm posting later and get this.

Well at least this spares me of having to post.

There's a lot of momentum for this wagon and while I would love to shoot someone harder to lynch I, fuck it.

Lynch Jake for me after.

Vengeshoot: Wisdom

if you are indeed town good riddance. You can't even vengekill properly.

you have a guy who wants "more discussion" yet drops the hammer without creating any discussion.

I'm scum cause I called you scum? get real. your OMGUS behaviour was your downfall. I expected more from an experienced player

[Jake from State Farm]

Really Jake?
So you didnt want me vengekilled?
I remember you suspecting me over Katsuki

If Katsuki actually flips town, you might want to consider lynching Jake indeed

I never said I suspected you OVER katsuki

[Jake from State Farm]

i fixed it
You suspected me next after Katsuki
Which means if he flipped town you'd want him to shoot me
Yet now you tell him he doesnt know how to vengekill properly

he is omgusing, he isn't thinking clearly. yes i find you suspicious, but I also was suspicious of Siv (he was on my list of 4 scum afterall)

you don't vengekill someone like you, you treat it like you would a vig kill.

siv was lurking and objected to a page 3 hammer but had no problem with a page 7 hammer? he didn't do anything of value between those 2 posts.

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm scum cause I called you scum? get real. your OMGUS behaviour was your downfall. I expected more from an experienced player

trololol

and I had a BEST TOWN PERFORMANCE scummy too. It means nothing.

I highly doubt my deductions are wrong and we will see from the flips. Your case was pretty BS past the scumslip thing.

And sorry, guess I should've CAPS'ed my way out. This is nowhere near OMGUS, I pointed out the BS in your case, and you just went LALALALALA IM RIGHT IM RIGHT.
But it's to be expected since youre scum anyways so I really ought to stop wasting my time arguing.

do you know how reaction tests work? I suspect no so I won't continue what I was going to say.

[Jake from State Farm]

@ katsuki - link me to the game where TOWN won the scummy. I want to see if your play was the main reason town won or if it was someone else and you are taking credit for it.

[Jake from State Farm]

seriously if I am right here I am gonna

[Jake from State Farm]

Jake if you are town, you are going to have to find a way to convince me of that.

And barring that, you need to do everything you can to prevent me from firing a shot.

Actually if you're scum you have the same problem and the same solutions.

I don't have to convince you of shit. how about you convince me you are town.

I'm obv town, it's not my fault dude had to flip out to my reaction test.

[Jake from State Farm]

I can tell you right now ffly (part of the drift hydra) isn't playing like the ffly I just played with her. She was much more vocal in that game, this game not so much, hence why I had a scum read on her day 1

idk who the other head is, maybe it's syrana? fuck I can't keep track of all her hydras, but if it's syrana, I don't see he/she playing like they did in that game either.

p.edit - I have seen town fall for that emo bullshit before, i'm not falling for it Siv. luckily you have other players you can try it on.

[Jake from State Farm]

Ah, you're here Jake. Can you explain this for me?

I have a reason why I'm suspicious of him, now you will never know why

Why wouldn't you share any information or analysis you had with town at that point, only to say "rift said what I was thinking" some 20ish posts later?

cause I was aggrivated/annoyed and didn't really feel like it. Plus I felt it was pretty obvious why he should have been suspcious

[Jake from State Farm]

It's pretty much your fault that 2 townies are dead due to your dumb reaction test, yes. Now tell me how that was town-motivated

oh yeah it's ALL my fault right? was I the one demanding people hammer him? no, that was wisdom and that other guy I can't remember atm. Just because I said I wasn't going to remove my vote from him A. doesn't mean that I won't ACTUALLY move it at some point and B. was the driving force behind his lynch.

Also, nobody told katsuki to shoot wisdom, that was his own fault. That's not who I would have shot or told him to shoot if he had asked.

Siv's hammer is crap, but he's probably a goon not a GF
Wisdom/other guy were calling for the hammer.

I never once called for him to be hammered so don't pin this shit totally on me.

[Jake from State Farm]

seanald, that's the other guy. both of them were calling for the hammer

[Jake from State Farm]

I can tell you right now ffly (part of the drift hydra) isn't playing like the ffly I just played with her. She was much more vocal in that game, this game not so much, hence why I had a scum read on her day 1

idk who the other head is, maybe it's syrana? fuck I can't keep track of all her hydras, but if it's syrana, I don't see he/she playing like they did in that game either.

p.edit - I have seen town fall for that emo bullshit before, i'm not falling for it Siv. luckily you have other players you can try it on.

Syryana has not posted in this thread yet. We'll get another chance to synch up later tonight or tomorrow. Hopefully a longer chance. Because this game was his idea. I hate nightless games and would not be playing this one on my own.

Except I am playing it on my own for the most part.

After the absurd amount of bickerish posting in the Buzzword Bingo game, I'm striving for less is more in my own posting. It probably won't last. It's not the first time I've resolved to post less.

Anyway, I am serious about needing to figure you out. Your posting in this game is different too. I don't particularly want to get into shouting matches or endless no u's. I just want to know if you are town. If you are, then you know I won't go after you and in fact will argue against it with people who do.

The only reason my posting is different is because I don't have people trying to push my buttons, and hopefully it stays that way. I don't really know how to convince you I am town other than to say I am obv town. If you want to meta me, feel free but you have to admit katsuki's reaction was horrible. In hindsite I probably should have considered it similar to orc's reaction, but to be honest I didn't think we would have a hammer on page 7.

I like to tunnel on someone for a while, it's this controlled chaos thing I do. It helps me read people's reactions to my push for down the road.

If I had to guess who the GF's are, i'd actually say that it was someone off the wagon (hell you could be a GF for all I know)

That is why I am keeping my eye on JK. I think seabass (fuck how did I forget his name already) could be a GF because he was trying to mimic wisdom who we now know is town.

Siv - most likely goon
Sebass (I prefer calling you seabass but sure you will object) is GF#1

and the other GF is in the pool of people off the wagon

that's what I got based off pure gut/little info available.

[Jake from State Farm]

seanald - is it ok if I call you seabass?

[Jake from State Farm]

How does being aggravated/annoyed and not feeling like contributing help?

this question isn't finished I don't think, if it is I don't understand what you are asking.

[Jake from State Farm]

oh, now I am awake I get it. You are asking me how being A/A & not contributing helps town. Right?

it doesn't help, but i wasn't concerned with being helpful at that moment.

[Jake from State Farm]

@ sebass - why the blind sheep on the katsuki wagon

@ jason - now that wisdom flipped town, who's your top scum read

@ rift - explain your town reads on Mp5, JK, and jason. Also why no reaction to the lynch/venge kill, especially when you were voting wisdom yet your reaction/accusation to me is like you knew he was town all along or something.

@ siv - you have basically done jack shit. top 2 scum reads and why, top 2 town reads and why.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand

GO!

[Jake from State Farm]

doubt a little...

p.edit - ok I get the Mp5 town read as I read him as town also, but you give absolutely no reason why jason is a town read and I don't fully buy your town read on JK cause that could easily be faked since we have 2 scum reads.

but fair enough, explain your town read on jason - I have him as null and as far as i can tell you are the only one town reading him.

[Jake from State Farm]

to clarify, you said JK was town because of his response to wisdom, that response being faked is what I am referring to in 221

[Jake from State Farm]

Three pretty strong town reads.

- f

This post was prompted by jason's post 153. The reasoning in 153 looks town to me. Jason's the weakest of the three reads, though.

ok thank you, I will concede that posts looks good but that's essentially the only thing he has done. to call a person town imo you should be able to reference more than 1 post, and 2 of your town reads are essentially doing that. I find it hard to believe anyone can gather a town read off 1 post.

[Jake from State Farm]

Ok

[Jake from State Farm]

You wouldn't ask that question if you were town.

[Jake from State Farm]

Jake, why say that?

Also cmon I'm toooooooown.

because your question seem like he is right but maybe not the pairing he is implying.

saying your town doesn't mean you are town. I declare myself town in just about every game, but the difference between the 2 of us is I can point to examples of me scum hunting, there isn't a single example of you doing that.

saying you are town without backing it up, is only going to make me want to lynch you more.

[Jake from State Farm]

I feel like rift detects a little blood in the water and thinks she can pluck off town. It makes no sense that her "weak" town read all of a sudden is the GF and the only thing she can come up with is 1 post & his inactivity?

siv/rift both need pressure. both are guilty of something that makes no sense from a town perspective.


p.edit - I could see myself joining a seanald lynch at some point but prefer siv or rift first

[Jake from State Farm]

Reads to me more like the two heads of the hydra had a disagreement, f was seeing things one way and s comes in and changes that read.

Jake, does that mean you think Jason is town?

jason is null, lack of posts makes him hard to read.

[Jake from State Farm]

I feel like rift detects a little blood in the water and thinks she can pluck off town. It makes no sense that her "weak" town read all of a sudden is the GF and the only thing she can come up with is 1 post & his inactivity?

siv/rift both need pressure. both are guilty of something that makes no sense from a town perspective.


p.edit - I could see myself joining a seanald lynch at some point but prefer siv or rift first

My game changes a little as a hydra, and how it changes depends on who I am partnering with.

The first lynch was a fucking disaster for town and it happened so quickly and with no discussion at all about who to shoot.

I can't necessarily prevent another crap lynch, but I am sure as hell going to try to get a better one this time. And I'm in agreement with Syry about the likely mafia teams.

You haven't convinced me you are town. It's going to take more than calling yourself obvtown.

yes that lynch was a disaster, and you fucking blamed ME for it. like are you fucking kidding me, the ONLY one with some sort of reason is to blame? Not the sheeper? Not the guy who hammered with no discussion at all? and the vengekill with no discussion was my fault how?

the fact that you can pick the 1 person who didn't even call for a hammer or a quick lynch and blame him and only him for that lynch is bullshit.

and I already said I don't need to prove jack shit to you. I don't care if you read me as town or scum.

you putting the blame of 2 dead townies solely on my shoulders and nobody elses is scummy as fuck, and it certainly isn't town motivated, That is scum trying to throw dirt on the only person who looked clean on that wagon.

[Jake from State Farm]

having been in a hydra (still being in one) I fucking talk to my partner IN THE QT and we come to an agreement together before shitting up the thread. I had issues with you in the last game and now I am seeing the same issues here.

please you are 1 slot with 2 players, you still have to act like 1 slot. get on the same page before you post please.

[Jake from State Farm]

Why did you say "rift <snip> thinks she can pluck off town" then? Jason was her target, and you're implying that you saw him as town there.

Is Jason scum?
Lets suppose he is, does that implicate rift more or less?

given the setup with 2 teams, there is a good chance he is town, but he also could be scum not in her pairing.

if Jason is scum, she is still scum. just a different pairing.

look at what she just did btw, she hopped off jason the moment you voted seabald. that looks likes she is trying to stay on your goodside.

[Jake from State Farm]

That's some really interesting flail on Jake's part, though. Attacking stuff that has nothing to do with scumhunting.

I think we've got his gf in our sights.

I'm not flailing lol @ u

[Jake from State Farm]

Why would you not respect the wishes of another player? I've asked you to not shit up the thread, why can't you honor my request?

[Jake from State Farm]

Why was he?

[Jake from State Farm]

So you sheeped me and because if that I'm scum?

vote: siv

I've seen enough

[Jake from State Farm]

*of*

[Jake from State Farm]

Jake do you think Siv is a godfather?

It's possible. It's naive to think a GF is only going to try and play 1 way.

[Jake from State Farm]

But what better way to play GF? Act "too scummy" to be the GF and get ignored.

Just cause my vote is on him now doesn't mean it won't change. You of all people should realize that...

Anyway. Last post til Monday.

Father's Day/end if school party weekend.

I'll be back Monday

[Jake from State Farm]

Idk what made me check in but glad I did. @rift - can you link me to where seanald claimed miller cause I just iso'd him and don't see it. I think you just faked that quote.

[Jake from State Farm]

Btw I've pm'd the mod to see if faking quotes is punishable. If not ill be voting you. I've triple checked seanald's Iso and miller never comes up

Idk what that was for but you fucked up for sure

[Jake from State Farm]

I even searched the entire game using the search feature and miller never appears

[Jake from State Farm]

Lol saying he claimed miller when he didn't isn't a joke. Nothing implied it was a joke. Quoting that and saying he should be lynched isn't a joke.

[Jake from State Farm]

vote: rift

Cause I doubt the mod will actually do anything.

[Jake from State Farm]

yeah, so my vote is staying on rift and I mean it.

so don't expect anything else out of me til they hang.

to blatanly lie like that is so god damn fucking scummy. ffly already knows better than to try and fucking lie around me, to do it again is a no no.

[Jake from State Farm]

like I said you are the same person.

I don't really care what you believe Godfather

[Jake from State Farm]

I don't need to prove myself to you like I already said. I am confirmed town cause my role pm says so. you have to prove to me you are town. you haven't and the lie your hydra partner posted actually confirmed you are scum.

Since you were trying your hardest to appear pro-town that means you are most likely the GF, so my vote stays. As for me playing different, my response is: NUH UH

[Jake from State Farm]

i'm not scum, but you ARE a GF. there was no town motivation to lie to force a lynch of a player. I'd assume seabass is probably town now, unless you are bussing your goon. the fact that you are trying to lynch him and he thinks you are town supports that assumption.

jk and jason are probably the other combo.

[Jake from State Farm]

I can read klick like a kiddie book, this should be easy

[Jake from State Farm]

Jake, tell me everything that's happened in this game so far from your perspective.

katsuki failed a reaction test, got lynch somehow flipped town.
venge killed the wrong person
rift lief to try and get seabass lynched
your slot is probably the gf.
i'm town
MP3 is probably town

that's it

vote rift please

[Jake from State Farm]

lied, not lief...

[Jake from State Farm]

there was no indication it was a joke. usually a joke is followed with some sort of smiliey.

plus she didn't direct that right at me, she didn't say who she was talking to.

so yeah you can try and spin it however you want. she lied. when scum NEEDS a mislynch right now, I call foul play

[Jake from State Farm]

whatever

[Jake from State Farm]

More votes on rift please

[Jake from State Farm]

You've posted nothing. People aren't fooled by you, they just think you are a goon and they want the GF.

I'm handing everyone a GF on a platter, even with an apple in his mouth, yet nobody seems to care.

[Jake from State Farm]

I've posted 29 posts in 14 pages. This is not a lurker postcount.

when you don't post any content in those posts, yeah it kind of is.

I actually find it more suspicious when a person posts a ton and doesn't say anything, than someone who just doesn't post at all.

but nobody is even voting for you except klick so your post in 331 makes no sense really.

[Jake from State Farm]

it's certainly possible but unlikely

[Jake from State Farm]

There's a decent chance he's a goon

[Jake from State Farm]

well if I tossed out my self meta, it would easily prove I am town this game. But people don't believe only in meta and neither do I.

[Jake from State Farm]

until this game right?

[Jake from State Farm]

Reading is fundamental seabass. He's saying he found your goon, not calling you one

[Jake from State Farm]

Rift is at l-1

Lets lynch a GF today. Someone hammer

P.edit - already have. Go find them

[Jake from State Farm]

Actually siv could hammer also. You aren't the only deciding vote

[Jake from State Farm]

If you lynch me ill just venge kill rift or you can hammer rift and save time

[Jake from State Farm]

@rift - do you use a hydra to talk to your other head?

If yes, did syrana not communicate his thoughts?

Other games your hydras work closely and know what the other is thinking. This one feels like Dr. Jeckle & Mr. Hyde. You call Jk town, syrana calls him scum shortly after.

It's not like what I know

[Jake from State Farm]

Seenald isn't at l-1 anymore I don't believe.

[Jake from State Farm]

I've assessed your alignment. That's yet another lie

[Jake from State Farm]

You were slight town til your partner lied. Since there's no town motivation to lie like that, it makes you the obvious GF. GF has to appear town. Your contrabutions haven't been like they have in other games also. Basically YOUR play, is different.

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm not scum though.

[Jake from State Farm]

Scum has to lynch 1 more townie to have an advantage in this setup. Why not lie to get me to vote seabass?

[Jake from State Farm]

Tell me how him lying to get seabass is protown.

[Jake from State Farm]

Tell me how him lying to get seabass is protown.

If anyone at all can provide a logical answer to this. I consider moving my vote.

Though I doubt anyone can.

[Jake from State Farm]

And that should be "get seabass lynched"

[Jake from State Farm]

You were slight town til your partner lied. Since there's no town motivation to lie like that, it makes you the obvious GF. GF has to appear town. Your contrabutions haven't been like they have in other games also. Basically YOUR play, is different.

MP5 had no trouble figuring out the basis for that deliberate misquote. Syr was poking fun at you. Anyone who looks at the buzzword bingo game will see the same thing - your policy re millers, your pages of crap about Syr' miller claim. The dumb fight between you and b. And the eventual outcome.

It's absolutely within your town meta to put down a petulant vote over being poked fun at. What is not within your town meta is to use it as a smokescreen for not seriously scumhunting.

But you didn't direct that directly to me. You were talking to others in that same post.

Suppose I hammered and he flipped town, what Next? Just like bulder's fake claim if doctor that lead to his lynch, you too have to pay the price. Lying or pretending to lie and claiming its a joke, idk what's the truth.

In context there's nothing to imply its a joke.

[Jake from State Farm]

Rift, I think it's a good idea to lynch Jake now. He'll be hard to lynch later if he makes it to LyLo, and right now he has a really high chance of being scum.

I don't think he will be hard to lynch at all. He's already started one bandwagon that resulted in a town death. Two town deaths considering that katsuki shot from the hip instead of taking some time and trying to make sure the shot was well aimed.

If Syr disagrees and thinks Jake is the best lynch I will go along with that.

You still never explained how I'm the one to blame for that lynch or the venge kill.

I never called for the hammer. Wisdom/seabass did.

Blaming me for 2 deaths is complete horsecrap

[Jake from State Farm]

Idk what that last post from rift means, it better not be an insult.

[Jake from State Farm]

You obviously have no clue about me as a player like you claim if you honestly believe what you just typed.

P.edit - ill read that later

[Jake from State Farm]

You obviously have no clue about me as a player like you claim if you honestly believe what you just typed.

P.edit - ill read that later

You are essentially saying I give you too much credit as a town player. I'll keep that in mind in the unlikely event you flip town this time.

I guess if that's how you want to word it.

[Jake from State Farm]

I seriously want an explanation of how rift lying can be seen as pro-town.

siv, where did you go broseph?

klick, your vote isn't on rift either so you need to answer it also.

his lying was a blatant attempt to draw votes on seanald and not a fucking joke like they are backpedaling on and on about now.

get to splanin guys

[Jake from State Farm]

if making sense is scummy, I'm fine with that

[Jake from State Farm]

I lynch all liars so my vote isn't changing.

if you don't vote rift I will assume you are just guilty by association

[Jake from State Farm]

Rift is townier than you

you are also missing the point of how to play this game.

if the GF getting lynched is bad, it's probably better for them to act pro-town.

but fine, you say they are townier than me.

ANSWER MY FUCKING QUESTION

How is their lie to get another player lynched when we don't really have a mislynch left PRO TOWN.

until you can answer that, you don't have a fucking opinion worth a damn.

it was a joke? BULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLSHIT it was a fucking joke. 1. there was no indication it was a joke 2. BOTH of those heads know I don't take jokes lightly, because a very specific game was discussed in a game we all played together where buldermar "joked" that he saved a mafia NK, and myself (nurse and the Doc, who happened to share a QT together knew he was full of shit. He got lynched after some really hard pushing. Ffly also knows I fucking hate liars cause her and orc fake claimed PGO or some shit and it pissed me off.

there is NO FUCKING reason to lie if you are town.

let me repeat that in case you people have trouble reading

there is NO FUCKING reason to lie if you are town.

That is what they did. It wasn't a fucking joke.

That makes them scum. if they are town and pulled that shit on purpose I will blacklist both their fucking asses.

now hammer these lying MFers

[Jake from State Farm]

lol shouties.

please do make sure to not sign up for the same games with me in the future. I will thank you for the kindness.

well to be honest you did /out and I never saw you /in again.

I'm not nearly as bad as kuribo

[Jake from State Farm]

You still haven't answered my question big boy

[Jake from State Farm]

siv, where did you go broseph?

This? Ummm, I'm european, so bed.

No not that. I asked a question to everyone but specifically you

[Jake from State Farm]

and this is why we must lynch rift, he's confirmed GF

[Jake from State Farm]

actually it's not bullshit. It's very accurate.

you start the game kissing up to the players you think you can get on your side - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p5022384

you again attack a weaker player that you know is probably town - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p5025055

not to mention you say this game is going to take town hunting, yet you don't really do any. Instead you ask me to convince you I am town. That doesn't sound like someone interested in town hunting.

you put the guy you were buddying on your do not lynch list as well as JK, yet you provide no real reason why jk is town other than 1 post is fairly weak (more buddying)

once you have buddied up enough and got these people to think you are town, you just use POE to decide on the remaining scum but your reasons (or syrana's reasons) don't really make much sense and to put the icing on the cake you LIE to push a lynch

all of this shows the manipulative behavior required of a GF. thus you are CONFIRMED GODFATHER

[Jake from State Farm]

Jake why didn't

you

explain the numbers?

Answer:

because you don't want town to understand the situation.

explain what numbers?

[Jake from State Farm]

if you say so

[Jake from State Farm]

explain what numbers?

[Jake from State Farm]

And speaking of realizations

I'm a miller.

Vote Seanald now?

also please point out where the indication that this post was directed to me and only me AND where you imply this is a joke.

if you can't do it than you confirm what I have been saying the entire time. YOU

FUCKING

LIED

[Jake from State Farm]

explain what numbers?

These numbers.

Um, some of the reasoning is good and fine and I agree with both of you on jason scum.

But part of it looks like "We MUST lynch the GFs first,

and anyone who disagrees with this is scum

."

Not necessarily scum, but at the very least not getting the realities of the situation.

After the first lynch/shoot we're at 3 town and 2 teams of 2 each scum.

If we lynch a godfather then it's 3 town and a team of (1 GF, 1G) because the other goon dies with the GF. If we lynch a goon then it's 3 town and (1 GF, 1G) and (1 GF). And it will be that much more difficult for town to control the next lynch because it's 3 votes out of 6 not 3 votes out of 5.

cause going over numbers is not my style. I focus on finding scum, I am not a number cruncher

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm not entirely sure this has occurred to you yet but
this is an open setup
and you recently got done playing a game with us where you spent some 30-aught pages bleating about a miller policy lynch

Therefore it should be obvious

it wasn't obvious though. Like that game didn't even pop into my mind when I read that. As I said there is nothing that indicated it was a joke or a "jab" at me.

idk if syrana was paying attention or not, but ffly definitely is aware that I don't pick up on "jokes" aka bulder's game or "lies" aka ffly/orc hydra. There was no purpose for it and when a player is at L-1 it was a very reckless ploy to get me to hammer.

that's what you were trying to do with the joke/lie and it failed. Since then you have got yourself to L-1 and the only thing saving you really are the people who you have buddied.

[Jake from State Farm]

We're not interested in townhunting you, we know you're scum, we've explained this before

except when you made this comment towards me you didn't have a strong read on me either way.

omg, another lie

[Jake from State Farm]

I'd much rather lynch the GF than a goon, but a goon is better than a townie.

what was the point of asking that?

[Jake from State Farm]

yes but rift is also not town and he fits the bill for the GF

it's win/win

[Jake from State Farm]

but that's how a GF is supposed to play...

if we get close to deadline I will switch to seanald but until than I am sticking with my word and keeping my vote on rift

[Jake from State Farm]

Hrmm, with that, idk about seanald.

I'm really sure it's jake though. Lynch jake.

Please do.

[Jake from State Farm]

And Siv, what are you trying to gain right now? your the decision maker, are you waiting for something specific or whats going on in your mind?

he wants me lynched, but isn't doing anything other than "hey let's lynch jake"

no case. nothing.

he needs to try harder or realize he's wasting his time

[Jake from State Farm]

So siv is protecting rift, how sweet.

Siv lynching me = dead rift anyway is just hammer and cut out the middleman.

[Jake from State Farm]

It's obvious as this point Jason's not town. He's avoiding the game completely. If rift didn't lie I'd be ok with his lynch too, but again his play doesn't give off GF vibes. I can't imagine the GFs would lurk like seabass/Jason have been doing (that's who rift thinks are the 2 GFs)

The GFs are probably hiding in plain site. Rift/siv make the most sense

[Jake from State Farm]

All these numbers make my head hurt.

All I know is if we lynch a GF, we are down 1 entire scum team. If we lynch a goon, town has an ally in the GF left alone which sort of makes him obvious as his positions would have to change.

Lynching GF is best
Lynching goon is ok too

[Jake from State Farm]

I find it odd because I think siv might think rift is actually town and is trying to get on their good side so he doesn't get vengekilled

both are scum though

[Jake from State Farm]

what's the word on Jason?

@ mp5 - if you think out of rift/seanald/siv that rift would be the most likely, why are you opposed to voting rift and instead looking for an alternative?

[Jake from State Farm]

f it's between rift and seanald, and Siv is leaning towards rift, I would like the time to consider an alternate candidate as I've already stated I'm not happy with rift lynch.

this clearly implies he prefers rift but he wants an alternative lynch.

maybe YOU should try reading.

[Jake from State Farm]

oh my bad I should read better

smh

[Jake from State Farm]

If its between seabass or Jason, I'll go Jason but the rift lynch is still the best

[Jake from State Farm]

Well that was interesting