Micro 52: Speedygorge Mafia (GAME OVER!)

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/possibly a confirm
I'm not sure yet if it is...

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hai gunny

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VOTE: Mala
I can confirm that I am her buddy.
Or we're secret Masons. Oh shit, I shouldn't have said that.

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One scum def. between Mehdi/Eidolon, last scum is one of Mala/Gunny/Siv.
Discuss.

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You two both scream scum to me but not together. It's mainly gut though.
The others are gut too but not as strong so I can't decide.
Though it's completely possible it's none of Mala/Gunny/Siv and actually Buckwild instead.

I didn't even read the second page before voting anyway.

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I cbf moving my rvs vote lol

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shut up im feeling lazy right now

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No I've played with malpa before and Robert's was in my last Vengeful.

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Well I knew it would look stupid if I mentioned most of the town which is why I deliberately left out calling Buckwild as last-resort-lurker-scum.
That vote is dumb and you should feel dumb.
I guess you're the last scum instead of Mala/Gunny/Siv.
VOTE: Malpa
Feel free to discredit this as OMGUS as much as you want, I don't really care.

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Om we know two scum are alive, so unless your reads are a bit more narrowed they don't help (and calling buck a lurker this quick is just weak).

They are narrowed now, it's one of you/Eidolon and malpa.
Also I called Buck a lurker since he won't be posting for a while and nothing he's said so far is interesting.

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Gut, I haven't bothered working out why yet.

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I THOUGHT I HAD POSTED WITHIN PROD RANGE
I GUESS NOT

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It's completely possible malpa is just derp so I'm not as sure anymore also I had another scumread other than Malpa/Eidolon (since I've decided she's scum out of Mehdi/Eidolon) but I forgot who it was lol (unless it was just me deciding it was Eidolon).

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School has really got me feeling lazy and it's happening across all my games if you want to check the validity. That's why I'm not really as involved as I could be.
Also Buckwild I always use gut since it's my best scumhunting tool and has enabled me to call out scumteams as early as the 48th post.

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It's funny since I'm being called a poor player but look at my track record lol.
Gunny just read it again it makes sense.

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I'm probably going to need to reread this or something, I've forgotten basically everything that's happened in this game.

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Ugh, I'm sorry but I have no motivation right now for this game.

@Mod: I'd like to replace out

Sorry for doing this guys, but school is way too draining.

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Hi guys I am tired, preoccupied and have a headache right now, so I'll read up later.

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If Potatoes r cool is back, my first question for him is whether Eidolon is still his top scum read, given that malpascp flipped scum and mehdi2277 flipped town. And if so, can you back that up with a reason beyond a 'two-choose-one' scenario?

I forgot to reread yesterday, and I have to do some homework now, but after that I'll reread quickly and answer this for you.

Current VC: 2.3

Om of the Nom (L-4)
drmyshotgun (L-4)
Eidolon (L-4)
penguin_alien

RobertMontana

(L-4)
Siveure DtTrikyp (L-3) 1 - Buckwild
Buckwild (L-3) 1 - Om of the Nom
Malakittens (L-4)

Not Voting: drmyshotgun, Eidolon, penguin_alien, Siveure DtTrikyp, Malakittens
With [7] alive and kicking it will take [4] votes to Lynch.
You may not "No-Lynch". Currently, [Buckwild] would be lynched at deadline.

(expired on 2012-11-09 01:11:00) till Day 2's deadline.

~Maestro

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Okay yeah Eidolon is still a scummy mcsumfuck and gives me terribad gut vibes. I also notice how she attacks me for supposedly not being aggresive enough with my vote yet she calls Robert and I the best lynches today and doesn't vote either of us.

Not voting just yet, want to take a look at a few people first. Also Buck is probably scum for his #317 in which he attacks Siv but pussies out on pushing it while making a side reference to my slot's lack of activity and how it's supposedly scummy.

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Stay safe Mala.

Will do the looking at other people I mentioned earlier a bit later as I just got a new game and I'm itching to play it.

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Or um I replaced out because I had no motivation which is backed up by the fact I replaced out of 2 other games at the same time.
And I decided to come back in because I had motivation for this game again and james was doing nothing.
I've never even interacted with james at all.
I don't even think that what you said is allowed in the rules.

Siv wouldn't be an easy lynch, since he's town.

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@Eidolon: This is what I was referring to.

OM - i'm not sure wtf he is doing.

he's basically just pushing wagons without actually having the balls to put his vote or put any pressure on anyone.

If this is his normal playstyle, then he's pretty bad. Actually, i think i remember the last game he at least attacked rapid. he's much more uninvolved here.

Your vote should be on one of us to pressure, like you say I should be doing. The fact that you seem to be waffling between us and not really making much of an effort to decide looks like you're just waiting till the time is right so you can jump on one of our wagons.

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I don't even think that what you said is allowed in the rules.

Siv wouldn't be an easy lynch, since he's town.

Did I touch on something there?

Also, why are you so sure Siv is town?

If you think that james and I totally coordinated replacing out without the mod knowing (aka talking about ongoing games to someone outside of the game) then frankly you're an idiot.

Siv is town because your comment about him being an easy lynch looks fake as fuck and just looks like scum complaining about how it's so easy to lynch a certain townie yet you still want to save them for later lynching when things get harder.

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I don't even think that what you said is allowed in the rules.

Siv wouldn't be an easy lynch, since he's town.

Did I touch on something there?

Also, why are you so sure Siv is town?

If you think that james and I totally coordinated replacing out without the mod knowing (aka talking about ongoing games to someone outside of the game) then frankly you're an idiot.

Siv is town because your comment about him being an easy lynch looks fake as fuck and just looks like scum complaining about how it's so easy to lynch a certain townie yet you still want to save them for later lynching when things get harder.

I was just about to vote Om when I read this post. I like the fight coming out of Om. Its a good point that talking about the game outside is illegal. Right now as it stands, there is almost noone that I can be certain is a townie except for mala.

Om: The early distancing between him and malp still is mad scummy. The leave the game and pop back in scenario is just odd. Seems to be fighting back now and I like it.

I know the hour is getting late though and we need to choose.
If I had to put an order for most to least scummy:
1. Siv
2. Om
3. Eid
4. Penguin
5. DRMY

Yes, that's it. Keep pussying out on my lynch. You know you want it but you also know you can't have it.

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Eidolon can die tomorrow, if there is one.
VOTE: Buck
Everyone sheep me goddamnit.

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Wow, the self-righteousness in that post is making me cringe.
You realise I could probably change all that right? You're certainly not going to flip town.

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Scum reads:Malp: At first I wasn't sure why everyone was so suspicious of him, but after reading his posts, it is weird he makes an random vote when things are already picking up. He also hasn't contributed actual content much yet. (speak for yourself, I know :p) He is too experienced to not know better. I'd like to see

Right now I reserve my vote, but I am close to voting Malp. I'd like to see a detailed post from him soon.

Hey, look who's accusing me of bussing.

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Strong Town
Buck
Mala
Drmy

One of these people are likely to be scum.

Also I love the buddying accusations I'm getting when people only look at my half of the interactions. Tell me, how would malpa's actions make sense if he was being bussed by me? Why did he votepark on me the whole day without good reason?

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Also in case any of you guys need a little more reason to sheep me, notice how Buck is literally coasting on other player's town reads on him and is using the fact that people think he's town as a reason he's not getting lynched instead of saying why he's actually town in the first place.
He clearly wants to put me down as a scumread but he's seen me fight back and he knows that if he starts up a fight with me he'll likely get lynched. He's too scared to let that happen.

Siv is likely a chosen townie based solely on Buck's actions, since otherwise Buck wouldn't really care to defend him somewhat. If he slightly defends the Chosen townie before he's lynched then he gets more towncred to ride on for the win.

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Considering Mehdi's lack of end of day scum reads (key word is 'scum'), scum likely killed him to give the impression that her reads were threatening and correct. Meaning that the scum who killed her is likely to have been one of her strong townreads.
They aren't my most suspicious people but I am definitely sure it's almost completely likely scum is in there.

Also just vote Buck kthx bai.

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I was pushing malpa too from the beginning, in fact I was the first one to call him out. Had my motivation not dropped and I had been able to continue I think I would have been a likely NK target too. Mehdi was not always the obvious town though, she got heat early in the day. My gut is telling me that she was also killed because her reads could produce WIFOM if she's dead.

Siv got attacked by Buck and the fakeness of Buck's attack looks like Buck trying to attack him but not as hard as he could be doing so he can get him mislynched later instead of today (or today if there is no other option). Siv is quite clearly the target of a scum-contributed mislynch and I think Buck is the scum who is contributing to the lynch. Also he's likely a Chosen townie solely because Buck is also somewhat defending him, meaning that when he flips Chosen Buck can use his defense of him to get himself some towncred.

PEDIT: I feel so strongly about Buck being scum that I am willing to base a lot of my reads off him flipping scum, regardless of whether or not there will be a tomorrow when he gets lynched. I haven't gone through malpa's ISO yet but I will soon and I can find more connections for you.

That was before I saw that post from Mehdi, Eidolon is much less of a scumread for me now.

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Well Buck is the towniest guy around right now. From what I remember anyway. I don't want to look like a bitch, but Mala seems no better than me. Seriously.
I'll have limited access until Wednesday, school comes first. And before someone says I'm running away, please check my other current games.

This means Mala is likely the last Chosen and Buck's a likely buddy. Malpa never really mentioned reads on anyone else and only voted Mala at the last minute.

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If you want more elaboration on why it means Buck is likely a buddy, Malpa just calls Buck the towniest person and doesn't give a reason for doing so, then he quickly tries to shift the attention onto Mala, who Malpa is trying to use as a mislynch to save himself.
In otherwords Malpa is trying to give a read on Buck in order to avoid the partner tell of having null reads on one another (don't know what Buck's read on Malpa was so I can't say the same for him, but I will check soon) yet still trying to divert attention away from him and onto a Chosen townie.

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Current thoughts:
Scum:
Mala: I don't buy his argument about getting reactions. I'd like to see as well what he has to say about his reads post reaction test...
Malp: When someone sees everyone as null, it seems like he is scum having trouble giving townish reads. Main reason he doesn't garner my vote: He is 6-0 mafia, 4-3 town. Obv sucks more as town and he appears to be playing poorly now.

Vote: Mala

Shitty reason for the Mala vote, aka trying to get a mislynch.
Weak attack on Malpa, aka weak bus for later towncred. Also to make any further attacks look more natural.

Concerning Malp, this prod dodging is really suspicious. He has the most votes and it looks like he is avoiding the pressure.

Now he's turning up the heat a bit on his bussing, but still no vote to be seen. He has legitimate reasons to vote Malpa now, if not just for pressure yet he chooses to keep his terribly weak vote on Mala.

I am willing to jump to the Malp train right now, but I want to see a proper analysis of the situation from him before I decide to. If I don't see anything by middle/end of the week I am willing to lynch.

I think Mala is scummy as f--- right now as well though. He has not responded to Eid or my questions about his "reaction test" still and has been just diverting attention elsewhere with his posts. Do any of the rest of you feel this way? I feel like there are way too many quiet people right now not contributing.

Now he shows real support for the Malpa wagon but still continues to hesitate with voting Malpa. This is clear as day scum not wanting to hard-bus their partner. He's pussying out of the wagon and barely giving a reason for his suspicions or even things he wants Malpa to respond to. Buck's clearly just trying to play along with the crowd here so he can blend in for towncred.

Although I still suspect both mala and malp, its impossible to get good answers from them if I am the only one putting pressure. Plus, like you guys said, scum might be lurking hoping for the week to end and have either mala or malp killed...

Time to wake people up.

Unvote. Vote: Eidolon

"Hey look at me I'm the only one who gives a shit about this game but hey since nobody else really cares I might as well abandon my scumread on my buddy since it's not like I need to pressure them anyway, I already know who's scum." This just reeks of someone who's trying to make himself look townier than he actually is. It's fake as fuck and I don't like it.

Well I'm probably gonna wake up dead tomorrow. Glad to people talking! The Malp kill is still fine by me. I'll let DRMY hammer it when he is ready in case others want to get something in or maybe Malp defends himself. :p

Here he starts the self-righteousness thinking he's probably going to die when frankly he has no reason to die in the first place (even minus the fact that he's the one doing the killing to begin with). He shows support for the malpa wagon yet again, note that he still has given little to no reason during the whole time he has had a "scumread" on him. Then he shifts the hammer to another person so he can avoid the blame and not have to make any tough decisions.

Throwing in my read before the lock.

If Malp comes up Chosen, please go after medhi. She says that if Malp was chosen there would be a stronger train against him. She has been pretty much driving this train as hard as can be without wanting to veer off course.

@the Mod: Will we definitely see who the chosen is if they flip after being lynched?

My scum reads if Malp is town: Medhi, mala and Siv.

My scum reads if Malp is mafia: Siv

This reads like lining up lynches and frankly the attack on Mehdi is terrible. Looking back this just supports my theory that Mehdi wasn't killed solely because she was obvtown. Buck tried to throw out doubt on Mehdi right before the flip so people would doubt his reads and to shake up the game a bit.

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To summarise:

Throughout D1 Buck had kept a shitty and highly unexplained scumread on Malpa which never really developed past the fact that Malpa was lurking. He never voted Malpa yet showed support numerous times for his lynch. Come L-1 he still didn't vote Malpa and instead left the hammering job to someone else instead, so as to shift any attention garnered from the hammer.

His Mala read only really consisted of Mala not answering some of his questions and never really developed past that either, yet despite that he still prioritised Mala over Malpa even though Malpa was the scummier one based on his reasons for both (Strategic lurking to get rid of pressure (Malpa) vs. Not answering some questions (Mala)).

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Will respond to Buck's wall later since right now I'm not in the mood but I will say that in the rare event that Buck isn't actually scum then Gunny is definitely the last scum, especially since he's not posting here but posting a ton in other games.

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As long as Siv and Mala don't die this game is winnable.

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As long as Siv and Mala don't die this game is winnable.

What?

They're obviously the Chosen townies you dipshit. If they stay alive they won't be able to die and so it's a town win.

Will respond to Buck's wall later since right now I'm not in the mood but I will say that in the rare event that Buck isn't actually scum then Gunny is definitely the last scum, especially since he's not posting here but posting a ton in other games.

Oh yeah? You know, I'm defending someone I don't believe is scum and if he doesn't flip scum, I'm the "definite" last scum? Since when did it work that way, Om?

Because A) You've been lurking like a mofo and not posting in this game despite saying that you still needed to read up on what exactly I was saying and B) You're the only other person in Mehdi's strong town list that isn't Mala (who is super likely to be a Chosen townie).

As long as Siv and Mala don't die this game is winnable.

What?

Again, it just don't work that way.
The game isn't won by keeping people alive, but by lynching Scums, kthanks.
Your play is most unimpressive here Om. Your confidence in yourself and the pride you take in your own abilities once again proves to be your poison.

Because if I'm not confident in my reads people won't listen to me?
You're being a dumbshit Gunny, sheep me and we will win. You're defending a scum and lynching a Chosen townie. Who is the unimpressive one here?

Siveure has done nothing but admit his slot's scumminess and even tried voting himself for AtE.
Now he's sheeping you onto Buckwild without any tangible input from himself.
He said he has a case or sort on Eidolon but that just disappeared in thin air I presume.
VOTE: Siveure

Hey look voting someone who's agreeing with me.
Are you just sad that I'm getting my way?

You are just calling people who disagree with you Scum, Om. Is that your new style of playing?
It's not a scumtell, but an indication that you are unreliable as a pro-Town player.

I didn't post here for a day or so and it becomes a scumtell for you. What about Eidolon who's not even here.

~Generalising my play incorrectly and using it to discredit me. Check
~Pointing the finger at another player to get the heat off them. Check

Keep squirming, it looks good on you. You're only making my feelings about you stronger.

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The most amazing part of those posts was the fact you spent all that time trying to show me how I look bad only to end up calling me town yet you only managed to write three lines about the person you voted.

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I should also probably mention that when I called you out on not posting you tried to turn it into an attack on me instead too.

Current VC: 2.4

Om of the Nom (L-4)
Yates

drmyshotgun

(L-3) 1 - Malakittens
Eidolon (L-4)
penguin_alien

RobertMontana

(L-4)
Siveure DtTrikyp (L-2) 2 - Buckwild, Yates
Buckwild (L-2) 2 - Om of the Nom, Siveure DtTrikyp
Malakittens (L-4)

Not Voting: Eidolon, penguin_alien
With [7] alive and kicking it will take [4] votes to Lynch.
You may not "No-Lynch". Currently, [Siveure DtTrikyp] would be lynched at deadline.

(expired on 2012-11-09 01:11:00) till Day 2's deadline.

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Gunny, you seriously don't have to do this, but frankly if you feel that replacing out will get me to be sorry for my actions right now then that isn't the case. But if I did hurt you, do know that I don't actually mean it in the long run, this is about the current state of the game, this is about what's happening right now. I am super duper confident that one of Buck/you is scum, and I will not stop at anything to get either of you lynched. Even if I have to get a little vocal about it.

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Before you leave (if you go through with it), tell me why you think Buck was so hesitant to vote Malpa on Day 1 despite having him as a scum read the whole day.

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I actually toned myself down too, you know I can get a lot more vocal on people I don't respect.

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Mala being Chosen is actually backed by the fact that Malpa made that shitty push on her before he was lynched.
You being Chosen stems mainly from Buck but also your lynch is stupid regardless of you being Chosen or not since you're town anyway.

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I'm confident because I know I'm right that one of you/Gunny is scum.

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From my perspective, this has been an easy slot to slide in to. I absolutely agree with this. Omnom, were you being cheeky or do you HONESTLY believe Mehdi was killed for her Town reads versus - oh - EVERYTHING ELSE that made her a threat to scum? Your post 347 was pretty derp.

Mehdi's towniness was just a bonus. I haven't seen anything proving that she wasn't killed for her reads and I'm not going to try and prove that she was. It's highly subjective and those are just my thoughts.

Also, I can summarize your case on Buck in 357 with two words: confirmation bias. I mean seriously, I could build a shockingly similar case against you if I just "assume" Siv is scum.

You can't build a case on me assuming Siv is scum since then Siv is scum and I'm town. There's only 1 scum left you silly :P
I've built a case showing why my Chosen guesses fit well and also to establish the connection between Buck and Malpa. Didn't you read anything I've said? It's just luck that everything fits together so well.

Moreover, in response to post 373 where you assert Siv and Mala are our Chosen townies, I feel so strongly about Siv-scum I'm willing to give you the Mehdi guarantee; "if

malpa

Siv

flips chosen lynch me immediately for it (yeah I'd be willing to bet my life he's townie at worst)."

Actually I'd rather you get lynched before Siv, if that's fine with you. Even if he flips normal VT it doesn't mean you aren't still scum.

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If your slot flips Chosen I will buy a hat and eat it.
I'd like to see a case for that scum read on me.

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Awe man... You know what I wish I said in response to Om's 347 post?

Actually in case I'm night killed here's a quick list of reads (explained sufficiently in past posts with a bit of changes):

Null

Siv
penguin_alien
james/Om

In order of towniness (so siv is the most likely to be town of the nulls while james at the moment is the one I trust least).

One of these people are likely to be scum.

That would have been boss. I feel like scum want to get rid of people suspicious of them - not people that are NOT suspicious of them. This is ESPECIALLY true in a game like this.

So yeah, I'm cool with my Siv vote.

This is my response

Skimming things over boost james to weak town for Om being one of the first to push malpa if malpa flips scum.

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Seems to me that if a scum team is down to a solo act and must get through two more lynches plus LyLo to win, the last thing they'd want to do is off their supporters.

This is exactly what scum want you to think. Why do the expected when you can do the unexpected?

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It's not really the same logic at all, Doc should protect Cop since Cop is a threat to scum almost completely regardless of circumstance but someone with a correct read can be swayed into thinking otherwise.
Mehdi dying and people listening to his reads was a very likely thing to happen, especially how people were saying she was NK'ed because he was right on Malpa. This gives the impression that his reads are good so scum would benefit from killing him and having people follow his reads.

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I've built a case showing why my Chosen guesses fit well and also to establish the connection between Buck and Malpa. Didn't you read anything I've said? It's just luck that everything fits together so well.

And I have had a logical answer to all of your evidence that everyone except for you seem to understand/accept. Even Siv doesn't have a case because there is none.

I never responded to it, so I don't get why you're getting your panties in a twist. I thought about it and the post was good enough to get me to leave you alone for the day.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Yates

I don't have a case on buck. I'm sheeping Om, pure and simple.

So you would rather kill a random townie to keep yourself alive then try to put together a case against someone? If you wanted to help the town, you would come up with a decent case against someone, give us some thinking, even if it is against me, so we can use your thoughts. Right now you are unhelpful and are sheeping to save your own skin. Not helpful either way if you were town. But definitely moves of a scum player.

I'd rather sheep a random townie who I think knows what they're doing than make a case, yes. I don't really have a read on anyone.

Except maybe slight scum on om, so yeah.

UNVOTE: Buckwild

Are you intentionally playing dumb?
Case and reasons please.

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I can make a case later when I feel like it but mainly it's the stuff I raised against Gunny and also you haven't been giving me good vibes either.

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If siv is chosen, I think Om is scum. He said he knows siv is chosen in a post. I think he may have been setting up to look townie in case Siv got lynched.

So this is totally not setting up my lynch tomorrow if Siv flips Chosen. You do realise I've backed up my thoughts on why I think he's chosen, right? It's not like I'm blindly guessing or anything.

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It's not like I'm blindly guessing or anything.

That's what he's saying. He's saying you don't need to guess because you are scum.

No, he's saying that I've only said that so I look like town after he flips. What I'm saying is that I have actually backed up my theory and provided reasons why I think he's Chosen instead of just doing it for the town cred and not explaining why.

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Buckwild still isn't completely clear to me, but Yates is also pushing Siv, and with the amount of people who are attacking him there's bound to be one scum going along for the ride.

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Because it's totally not possible for scum to make a case on a townie as to why they're scum :V

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Sure it is. It's also possible for Town to defend Scum. And sometimes, for Scum to defend Town. I suspect you are one of these two, Om.

Okay, just make sure you have an escape route for when you're wrong.

PEDIT: The people attacking him are the main reason I think he's town (since I think they're scum), also because he's just not giving me bad vibes. His play isn't great but it's certainly not scummy.

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It's also somewhat backed by the likely chance that at least one scum is pushing his lynch.

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Based on buck being scum is how I read it. And now he's gone back on that.

I never went back on it, provide evidence to support your words. I never dismissed Buck as scum being a possibility, it's just not my priority at the moment. Right now Yates is my top guess for scum, and he's also pushing Siv's lynch.

Siv is being intentionally dumb and I don't know why, I already asked for a case and he still hasn't presented one. Mala voting me too makes me think she's trying her terrible meta tell on me based on what I call her, when frankly I've already provided reasons why I think she's town. If this isn't what she's basing her vote on the she needs to say what it's all about.

Btw, you are all idiots that mistake confidence for knowledge. I don't actually know whether or not Siv and Mala are Chosen, I can only make educated guesses, and then I multiply the result of those educated guesses with tons of confidence so people actually listen.

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So why are you voting me over Yates? You haven't provided a reason for voting me yet you have provided one for Yates.

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So you have literally no other reason for voting me other than "Siv is not scum and Om might garner more votes than Yates?"
Are you kidding me?
Vote for your preferred lynch, not the one you think is most likely to happen.

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Oh shit, you're right, deadline is in like half an hour.
Nobody will likely be on soon anyway, just vote Yates and I will be happy.

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Looks like someone is trying to prove me wrong.
I totally knew they were going to flip normal town anyway :P

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Okay you're all scum, GG everyone.
In case you guys couldn't tell, I am going to reevaluate my reads since everyone alive right now but me either has been called scum by me previously or I haven't called town.
Also I'm not in an arrogant mood so I'm not comfortable with voting my reads from yesterday.

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I've been town the whole time goddamnit.

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Making it obvious wasn't in my job application...

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Buck, Yates, the lynch today is going to be one of penguin/Hyperion. Are you guys up to the task of helping me lynch them?

[Om of the Nom]

I find it unlikely that a scum-Buckwild or scum-drmyshotgun/Yates would have tunneled on someone who wasn't Chosen. Possible, but not likely. I don't agree with all of Om of the Nom's logic, but for now that's not enough for me to vote. Hyperion not voting at all or explaining his preference for a Buckwild lynch over Siveure DtTrikyp last day phase is the closest to scummy I see off the top of my head, but it's again not enough for me to want to vote him yet.

Of course you'd use me as a scapegoat when you whittle the choices down to just you and Hyperion. What do the flips say about me?

[Om of the Nom]

No, in my eyes I'm confirmed town, and the flips make me pretty damn close to that to everyone (or at least they should make me close to confirmed). You say you think that based on the flips that Yates and Buck can't be scum, yet you only call me out on my logic without mentioning how the flips relate to me when I was the one who had the most to do with guessing how they would have flipped. But if you take me out of the equation, you're only left with you and Hyperion, so you need to have me in there so you can get us both lynched so you can win.

This is all assuming you're scum though, which I think at this point is highly likely, same with Hyperion.

[Om of the Nom]

You and Hyperion are my main suspects right now.
The point wasn't the arguments it was the fact I was so gung ho about them being Chosen.
I think Chosen is between Hyperion/Buck/Me. Hyperion is my least sure out of them all.
Yes, Yates and Buck are now lesser scumreads because Siv flipped normal town.

[Om of the Nom]

No, you're one of my main suspects due to gut (which I never mentioned previously) and PoE (mainly this). However the confirmation bias means I'm likely to turn anything I can against you just on the basis that you're scum. It's because of this that I need to go through your posts and Hypeidolon's to make a case before I can really say for good.
Actually I might end up making a case on everyone just to weigh the options.

[Om of the Nom]

(well actually i made a case on you yesterday and nobody listened except the person who got lynched and flipped town)

[Om of the Nom]

Well come deadline the votes were on me (Town), Yates (likely town) and Siv (confirmed town) so look where that ended up.

[Om of the Nom]

WTF, dude?

1. How did you manage that?
2. Good luck.
3. Replace out?

Hope you get well soon~<3
If you are unable to do anything we won't hold it against you if you replace out.

Cases will come eventually, just need to work up the motivation to do anything.

[Om of the Nom]

Well Maestro probably will hold it against you but I certainly won't.

[Om of the Nom]

Cases should hopefully come tomorrow, school has got me rather demotivated but hopefully I'll be able to have a day off tomorrow to focus.

[Om of the Nom]

One scum def. between Mehdi/Eidolon, last scum is one of Mala/Gunny/Siv.
Discuss.

You just accused nearly the entire city. That made me laugh, so you get to be a star on this game now.

Vote:Om

Right now I'm considering everything on page 1 as null, any objections?

Maybe its just me but Buckwild, RobertMontana, Malpascp are all people who I consider to be fresh faces.

Check my sig please. You almost made me cry.

He gets enough from this to vote Om, but calls page 1 null? possible crappy eary distancing vote.

Because my post wasn't on page 1?

[Om of the Nom]

I think the best options for a lynch are om and robert.

This alone gives me reason to believe that both penguin and I are Chosen.
Hyperion should die today, if not, penguin should go and if he flips Chosen then Hyperion definitely dies tomorrow.

[Om of the Nom]

I have this strong urge to lynch Om again. Anyone else getting it?

Yeah I have it too.
To be serious, why in particular do you have it now instead of earlier/later?

@Hyperion: Does my partner interaction meta match up with my interactions with Malp? If not, you realise it's entirely possible that Malp is making me a red herring.

@Maestro: Good luck with whatever it is that needs your attention.

[Om of the Nom]

You realise that's it's completely possible that reads may change and that it would be a wise decision to reevaluate reads when both the people you think are Chosen flip VT, right?
I haven't been paying attention to anything that's really been said today, except for things I've responded to.

Also you think I'm trying hard lol I really don't give a shit about anything right now. I don't get why me not being consistent is a scumtell when frankly only scum would give a shit about consistency. I don't see why town would have to keep up their appearances in regards to having no sudden read changes.

Hyperion's message doesn't mean shit unless he flips town. You didn't give a shit when Siv said it so I don't know why the fuck you're giving a shit now when Hyperion's said it. Is this another preemptive Chosen townie defense you're setting up here? You certainly seem to waffle the shit out of that by throwing in Malpa's similar actions too, so why the fuck did you even include it in the first place?

[Om of the Nom]

See, look, this totally demonstrates that Buck is scrambling to find someone to lynch tomorrow. If Hyperion flips Chosen then Buck is almost confirmed scum (at least from my POV, since I know I'm not scum but I've still pushed Hyperion).

Notice how he went from this:

OM: Ignoring the possible early game bussing, he could have jumped on the Eid wagon early on but continued voting for Malp. His tunneling of me to the point of sillyness strikes me as town. Only thing I didn't like about it was the prolonged course which caused us not to explore other lynch options besides Siv and I.
Decision: TOWN

Eid/Hyperion: #15, odd back down from early attack on Medhi. #57, complained earlier that DRMY was attacking weak mala while Eid himself was hypocritically attacking Siv, who could have also been considered weak. Post 241 looks like a line up of targets. The whole game he was saying how I looked town w/o giving a great reason. Perhaps he was trying to befriend me. He did put Malp at L-1. Perhaps he saw that it was inevitable and wanted town cred? I didn't like the V/LA in the beginning of week 2 that allowed him to lurk as much as he wanted. It seemed odd that he still put in comments while being V/LA. Seemed like the best of both worlds. Hyperion has not given any decent posts besides the first blood vote that I still await an analysis. This vote on me looks like he is getting backed into a corner and lashing out.
Decision: SCUM

To having a scumread on me based on

something a scumread of his had said.

[Om of the Nom]

I thought that all townies would give good explanations for their actions as it should be easy since they are playing from a townie point of view.

This is actually a terrible point of view and I'm glad you finally think otherwise.

[Om of the Nom]

Intent to hammer Hyperion, is everyone fine with that?

If he flips Chosen, Buck should be a good lynch.

[Om of the Nom]

Intent to hammer Hyperion, is everyone fine with that?

If he flips Chosen, Buck should be a good lynch.

you pos. you already know he's gonna flip chosen, don't you? Making sure you secure someone else's lynch for lylo?

The confirmation bias is strong in this one.
I don't see why you're so paranoid considering I was terribly wrong about Mala and Siv :P

[Om of the Nom]

I'm paranoid because I've been suspecting you since day 2 and you continue to do scummy stuff like this.

How did this come from "Om is town because he's so sure I'm scum"?

[Om of the Nom]

I can see Hyperion flipping as anything right now.

[Om of the Nom]

GUYS IDEA GET

How do you all feel about lynching the person who is least likely to be Chosen? If Chosen townies can't be endgamed or shot, lynching a normal townie will force the last scum to kill the last normal townie, at which point it's a town win.

[Om of the Nom]

Actually wait...

@Mod: Do scum have to kill every night?

[Om of the Nom]

I think both the Chosen are likely to have been pushed today (and they probably still are).
Since a Chosen lynch is necessary for a scum win today, it's extremely likely they'll be pushing both Chosen Townies.
So if we look at who is not being pushed at all today, we can figure out who is not Chosen.
That person is Yates (and from my POV, since I know I'm town, I can confirm penguin as likely to not be Chosen too, since I'm the only one who's really pushed him at all today).

[Om of the Nom]

The benefit of lynching like this is that instead of lynching someone who could potentially be a Chosen townie who looked scummy, we lynch someone who has a chance of just being a very good scum player and a much lower chance of them being Chosen.

[Om of the Nom]

No, I'm not pushing you anymore, I'm pushing Buck and Hyperion.
Yates is definitely town, and I still think it's likely that he's not a Chosen.

Let me check something quickly.

[Om of the Nom]

Actually no I don't have the motivation to do that :P
I was going to see if maybe it's possible to work out who the scum vetoed based on what people think of each other, but it's too much work :P

[Om of the Nom]

:P

[Om of the Nom]

The reason I haven't hammered is because I'm still trying to decide if my strategy I proposed earlier could work or not.
Also because I'm lazy and plurality lynches at deadline anyway.


In my dream, Hyperion got lynched and flipped scum (I'm not joking about this) :P

[Om of the Nom]

it took me forever, but i finally realised what the flavor is actually about :V

[Om of the Nom]

Might as well get this over with now
VOTE: Hyperion

[Om of the Nom]

God fucking damnit, I was expecting to die tonight.
Whoever is Chosen doesn't matter anymore, they can be NK'ed or endgamed now that one of them is dead.
Also I told you all that Hyperion was Chosen goddamnit.

Yates is likely to be town, I'm conf. town to myself and Buck is scum because PoE and also earlier suspicions.
However at some point I'm going to double check if I'm confident in these reads. I request that neither of you vote before I can finish that, I don't want one of you to lose the game for me and the rest of the town.

[Om of the Nom]

So I'm either alive because I'm the other Chosen Townie and Om is scum OR because I have a Town read on Buck and Buck is scum. :neutral:

The last Chosen townie could have been killed last night regardless of Chosen status, does this affect the first half of your sentence at all?

[Om of the Nom]

I've never even heard of you outside this game, why the fuck would I use your style?

Gunny's replace out is not a towntell at all, we've played together so much before and he knows how I play and that I can get abusive. The replace out is null, if not slightly scummy, since I didn't really see that much of a reason to replace out.

Let me be the first vote in LYLO actually, if you both think I'm scum then it means I can't quickhammer, and since I know I'm town it means I'll have time to think instead of being lynched before I can do anything.

[Om of the Nom]

Call this WIFOM, but if I were scum I would have killed Yates because IMO he's the only person who I haven't shown suspicion on so an attack on penguin instead of him would have been more natural.
I didn't realise that Chosen townies could be killed or endgamed after one had died until after someone (possibly Hyperion?) pointed it out.
It's likely that either me or Buck is Chosen, since what's the point in getting rid of a Chosen if they're easily mislynchable? I highly doubt you are Chosen in this case Yates. And since I know I'm town and I think Buck is likely scum I think I'm the Chosen one here.

Still haven't read up, not feeling the best today though (also it's hot as fuck, 38C (100F), might have to wait till tomorrow.

[Om of the Nom]

100F? WTF are you??

That's a good point, though. I came into this morning thinking I was spared because I was Chosen. I didn't realize scum could have killed Chosen last night with one gone. This gives me even more WIFOM to think about.

Also, you showed suspicion on me the day I replaced in, Om.

I'm in Melbourne, Australia :P

I know I showed suspicion on you then, I was talking about yesterday though.

[Om of the Nom]

From the penguin_alien-scum perspective, we'd have Om of the Nom and Hyperion as the pushees/Chosen.
From the Om of the Nom-scum perspective we'd have penguin_alien and Hyperion as the pushees/Chosen.
From the Buckwild-scum perspective we'd have Om of the Nom and Hyperion as the pushees/Chosen.
From the Yates-scum perspective *I think* the closest we have is Hyperion and Buckwild as the pushees/Chosen, although there was some consideration of penguin_alien and Om of the Nom as well scattered in there. That makes me think there's no way he's scum, but if the actual scum concurs with this, it could throw off other Chosen reads.

Penguin alien would have made sense for a kill from any of us. Because of the town read for Yates, and the scumreads for both me and Buck.
The only reason I really would have needed to kill penguin was for his towniness and his scumread on me.
Buckwild killing penguin leaves Yates and Buck to push a mislynch on me today. However leaving penguin alive probably would have garnered the same result.
Yates killing penguin does make sense since he's the only other person who is almost unanimously considered to be town, leaving me and Buck to fight it out today while he coasts on by.

[Om of the Nom]

The fact that it makes basically no sense for anyone but me is exactly why I'm not basing everything off it. It's obvious that penguin was the best choice for the actual scum to kill because it means all signs point to me being the last scum.

[Om of the Nom]

Eliminating the obvious "making the NK point to me being scum" the only other person who really has much of a reason to kill penguin would have been Yates.
All three of you basically had townreads on each other yesterday (correct me if I'm wrong), and you also all showed a want to lynch me.

Frankly the NK analysis is useless and the only reason I'm doing it right now is because this is filler until I do get around to rereading both of you.

[Om of the Nom]

Analysis of Mehdi's kill is hard but not entirely useless, since he didn't really have strong suspicions of anyone but malpa and he barely did much else. Signs point to one of you two because there is definitely one scum in his Strong Town pool (since everyone else is dead and I'm conf. town to myself so I don't count).
Analysis of the penguin kill is dumb because of the huge amount of WIFOM involved. From both your point of views I'm scum and the NK just points to me being scum even more and it's entirely possible that I'm using this excuse for WIFOM purposes blah blah blah. To me however it looks more like scum setting me up to get mislynched today.

Analysis of the Mala kill should yield the best results though. Mala's shown heavy suspicion of Yates and Gunny, right up to the night she died. She's had waffly reads on me earlier in the day and ended up resorting to voting me just because I might garner votes and Yates probably wouldn't. Yates could have killed Mala for this reason, also because with my insistence that she was Chosen he could also have killed her to fake a towntell on me for being wrong.
Also at the beginning of D2 Mala was showing heavy suspicion on Buck which basically ended up fading into nothing.

[Om of the Nom]

Really the only defense against the incriminating kills I have right now is that it's just too good to be true. Everything seems to point way too well to me being scum.
Call it WIFOM if you want but since I know I'm definitely town it's obvious as hell to me.

[Om of the Nom]

Well right now it's either I'm scum or it looks like I'm scum, and I'm saying it's definitely the latter.

[Om of the Nom]

Oh shit, forgot about this, sorry.
I really don't have the motivation to do a reread, but I am decently confident in this vote.
VOTE: Yates

[Om of the Nom]

Predictable. All you did is prove Buck isn't scum - because he hasn't hammered - which I already knew.

Vote: Om

This is so obvious it is painful.

Oh god kill it now.
Buck, you just need to hammer Yates and then it's a town win.

[Om of the Nom]

I didn't just prove Buck wasn't scum, I proved you were scum instead.
Seriously that was the scummiest post in this whole game regardless of bias.

[Om of the Nom]

Goddamnit, this game is yet another example of why people should listen to me.
I was advocating for your lynch but instead everyone decided to lynch obvtown Siv and then everyone decided to lynch Hyperion.
Buck, seriously, look at the Mala kill, she was the only one other than me who was feeling super strong about Yates being scum the night before she was killed, why the fuck would I get rid of her over someone else?

[Om of the Nom]

A lot of that stuff is explained if you know my playstyle well enough. I tend to be much lazier than I wish I was, which means I fail at rereading and doing ISO's because I never get around to them. I tend to vote without reason because my thoughts are all over the place (which is also why I tend to post a lot). Early in the game I was losing motivation, backed up the fact that I replaced out because I just felt I couldn't continue because of it, this explains my lack of early posting.
I've pushed my thoughts quite a lot and I've never given a damn about being consistent. Why the fuck would I need to be consistent if I were town anyway? Being consistent just makes you look town which is why scum care about doing it. I made it known what I thought, especially in regards to my thoughts on Chosen townies. Nothing I've really done looks thought out, and tbh a lot of it really wasn't. Scum-me would care so much more about playing well and trying to clear my name, but frankly I'm more concerned with getting you to make the right choice.

I will not deny that my play has been scummy as fuck, but I will deny that I'm scum. You are free to believe me or not, but for your own sake, you should just hear me out more instead of just writing me off as the last scum.

Mehdi-kill: Mehdi had no scum list at all, and my slot was boosted to his weak-town pile before night. What would I gain to kill him, over someone who was in his strong-town list? Keep in mind that dead townies reads are trusted more if they lead a lynch on scum, implying that Mehdi's reads were right and I was the last scum. Since you seem to be thinking that the kill was based off suspicions, why wouldn't I have just killed someone who suspected me more?

The penguin kill makes tons of sense from Yate's perspective. He knew that you and I were convinced of each-other being scum, but penguin was a bit of a wild card. Plus, penguin was the only other person who was unanimously considered to be town, meaning killing Buck would've lead me to try and get Yates lynched instead. The only reason I really would have had to kill penguin would be his light suspicion on me, but even then it would have been much easier to take out Yates or Buck who suspected me more (I would have Chosen Yates since I probably could have gotten Buck lynched with penguin alive).

I might have more to say later, but right now I need to go (I'm in the middle of class). Don't hammer either of us until I can post again.

[Om of the Nom]

Also the 2 minute reply happened because I was watching videos on youtube (basically my whole life) and refreshed the page and happened to see your name as the last post in this forum, then I remembered that this game existed and I was needed.

[Om of the Nom]

Why should the scum points go to me for hammering Hyperion? There was a short amount of time left before deadline and the town needed him lynched (otherwise he would have been a distraction the next day).

I suggested earlier that we could try and break the game by lynching the person least likely to be Chosen. That person was Yates, and Yates didn't want to be lynched, instead he wanted to lynch Hyperion. What would I gain from lynching Yates instead of Hyperion if I were scum? Do you think Yates is the last Chosen? Do you think that I would have voluntarily made a losing strategy for myself if I were scum?

[Om of the Nom]

So this should reflect poorly on me. If anything, shouldn't the scum points go to the hammer??

Hey look who's trying to shift the blame.

[Om of the Nom]

This game is a perfect example of why people should listen to me :P
It's also a great example of why I need to trust my earlier reads better (in this case, my Buck and Yates/Gunny scumread upon replacing in again).

After seeing Yates was scum I'm really disappointed in Gunny's replace out :P
Oh, and lastly this game is yet another one of my Town LYLO's where I've requested to vote first. When I actually give a damn about making cases in LYLO I am town, as scum I try to rush things. Especially considering most of the time I'm in LYLO as scum I'm in a much stronger position but when I'm town I'm likely to be mislynched.

[Om of the Nom]

Mehdi, I'm hoping that Hyper will take note of my town meta about how I always use NK's to find scum.

Not sure why I was NK'd

HMMMMM

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p4505030>;
Subject: Micro 52: Speedygorge Mafia (DAY 4)

Well right now it's either I'm scum or it looks like I'm scum, and I'm saying it's definitely the latter. ~Om of the Nom

This is actually hilarious.

You're free to sig this or something if you want.

[Om of the Nom]

It was mid term time as well.

I don't have midterms I'm only in Year 7 :P

[Om of the Nom]

Shut up. I double guessed my read on Gunny :P

I double guessed my read on everything. You should know by now that my confidence is almost always fake when I'm town. When I'm scum I'm always trying to be consistent.