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Post #81 (isolation #9) » Sun Aug 27, 2023 6:54 am
Postby Ydrasse »
In post 77, Bell wrote:
I’m trying to figure out if you’re side swiping a partner with a nothing comment, looking desperately for a joke, or noticing that it’s a little odd for anyone to preface that they’re going to be playing the game on their phone, because this is absolutely something we would notice and find weird.
all of these options are bad options to arrive at i think but the second one is the closest
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Post #160 (isolation #17) » Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:06 am
Postby Ydrasse »
i've never done it before! the addon version was kind of meh to me but having official servers makes all the difference
i have BAGS i have some things AUCTIONED i am gonna mess UP westfall soon
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Post #192 (isolation #19) » Sun Aug 27, 2023 1:14 pm
Postby Ydrasse »
i think i would be confused if elle was mafia because it seems like it immediately got flustered by the first iota of pressure and i dont think that it is like at that low threshold of "attention on me in game must try to defuse" with as much like. urgency. as it posted with here.
it's possible i guess everyone has off moments but the entire sequence is just weird to me
In post 192, Ydrasse wrote:
i think i would be confused if elle was mafia because it seems like it immediately got flustered by the first iota of pressure and i dont think that it is like at that low threshold of "attention on me in game must try to defuse" with as much like. urgency. as it posted with here.
it's possible i guess everyone has off moments but the entire sequence is just weird to me
what does being flustered by pressure have to do with alignment
i think that mafia are more likely to be it if they have less experience because they don't know how to make the right answers to make it go away
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Post #198 (isolation #22) » Sun Aug 27, 2023 1:28 pm
Postby Ydrasse »
the point is that i think she could like... dunno. i feel like mafia would be a little less all over the place about it and less overtly... intense? i don't know if that's the right word but maybe dealing with it head-on. it doesn't feel like the correct response as mafia to me.
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Post #206 (isolation #26) » Sun Aug 27, 2023 2:01 pm
Postby Ydrasse »
it didn't interest me to engage at the moment so i decided to go with a signature Gif Reply (i should have picked a cat tbh)
if it's around later we can fence over it but meh
In post 192, Ydrasse wrote:
i think i would be confused if elle was mafia because it seems like it immediately got flustered by the first iota of pressure and i dont think that it is like at that low threshold of "attention on me in game must try to defuse" with as much like. urgency. as it posted with here.
it's possible i guess everyone has off moments but the entire sequence is just weird to me
what does being flustered by pressure have to do with alignment
i think that mafia are more likely to be it if they have less experience because they don't know how to make the right answers to make it go away
So town would be less likely to be flustered? Why do you think that makes them town, then?
it's not quite about being flustered even if that's the word i used. maybe it's like, vulnerability or just spewing everything out into thread in response to stuff in a way that isn't organized by mafia where you have to worry more about optics and direction rather than a lot of words that aren't like... as "put together" as people like in games.
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Post #257 (isolation #32) » Mon Aug 28, 2023 12:53 am
Postby Ydrasse »
smashing it instantly though is just… blah to me as mafia, i don’t think it’s logical that there has to be an order to when you ate but i often times feel you go there after you try something else
i took the phone stuff at face value and that it was just elle letting everyone know. but when she used it as a “pressure because of it” thing i thought it was likelier to be paranoia than truth. and even if it were it wasn’t really a sticking point if it were to turn into an accusation which it didn’t manifest into.
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Post #263 (isolation #34) » Mon Aug 28, 2023 2:56 am
Postby Ydrasse »
i think cakez could be mafia
the pop in feels like it’s at a point where pressure could swing to me and the reason is like the most basic. paired with his few posts which seem very… uninterested in stuff like the miller claims and posts after. like it’s a chance to lambast me with a refusal to talk about anything else happening or what could support his worldview etc.
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Post #264 (isolation #35) » Mon Aug 28, 2023 2:57 am
Postby Ydrasse »
the pooky thing is played out and obligatory but i find it interesting (scummy flavored) that he doesn’t seem to care about exploring the content that could maybe help him parse a slot he often plays with and interacts with etc
the pop in feels like it’s at a point where pressure could swing to me
and the reason is like the most basic. paired with his few posts which seem very… uninterested in stuff like the miller claims and posts after. like it’s a chance to lambast me with a refusal to talk about anything else happening or what could support his worldview etc.
Do you
really
believe that? No one seemed to be suggesting pivoting to you, I'm the only other person voting you, and I haven't even so much as expressed a case or strongly advocated for your elimination. That feels rather reachy.
[I know if I say "oh cakez is just being his usual self" he will be mafia, and if I say "actually he is kind of scummy", he'll end up being town. I don't think his play so far is alignment indicative.]
In post 270, Meuh wrote:
I do lean town on Catboi so far, but I also have the paranoia that he's just good at making content that I find very palatable and that I'll always townread him...
There are people here who can verify that I am capable of making reasonable sounding content as scum, but also I'm town this game so it's not incorrect to read me that way.
if you reread this thread up until this point no it is not reachy and i refuse to see it as such. (tangentially i find it a little... strange. that you say that no one is suggesting pivoting when i think that you... should? be able to read the general vibes of the thread so far and know even if something's not outright said yet it could go that way quickly.) i don't think it is exactly the case that cakez is doing that but it's possible enough that i mentioned it in context with his bad iso. it makes sense to want to try and assert pressure like this early on when it could swing that way to me, especially know that well. i town.
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Post #276 (isolation #37) » Mon Aug 28, 2023 12:54 pm
Postby Ydrasse »
In post 270, Meuh wrote:
I do lean town on Catboi so far, but I also have the paranoia that he's just good at making content that I find very palatable and that I'll always townread him... I also feel like that's something I'll be able to figure out eventually though
Ydrasse I'm kinda conflicted on because the general, I guess position she's occupying? is one I feel bad about and gives me bad vibes but the actual posts she's made have vaguely good vibes.
like this i didn't have the context of existing when i made my post but it proves my point because what does this even say about my slot that matters.
"kind of good but in a place that is bad". how do people parse this in a way that makes sense to the gamestate (maybe it's a skill issue because it's nonsense to me).
In post 264, Ydrasse wrote:
he doesn’t seem to care about exploring the content that could maybe help him parse a slot he often plays with and interacts with etc
this is a wild take because I can't remember cakez trying to parse me ever
cakez shows up to games with you and i imagine him cloistered away within a tower writing feverishly to himself, pondering your alignment as he tries to chart the stars in case they might give him a sign
In post 270, Meuh wrote:
I do lean town on Catboi so far, but I also have the paranoia that he's just good at making content that I find very palatable and that I'll always townread him... I also feel like that's something I'll be able to figure out eventually though
Ydrasse I'm kinda conflicted on because the general, I guess position she's occupying? is one I feel bad about and gives me bad vibes but the actual posts she's made have vaguely good vibes.
like this i didn't have the context of existing when i made my post but it proves my point because what does this even say about my slot that matters.
"kind of good but in a place that is bad". how do people parse this in a way that makes sense to the gamestate (maybe it's a skill issue because it's nonsense to me).
the vibes of this game are that not much is happening, really. some people were pushing on elle and you were defending her, and that was about it. I was sittig on my hands waiting because I'm trying not to take control of the game. The Meuh post doesn't really prove
any
point, because her commentary on you were almost certainly spurred on by that recent discussion, and doesn't really come across as a pivot to vote for you or anything.
You are right that what that post says is inconclusive. Do you think it being inconclusive has any bearing on Meuh's alignment?
i see it differently and see it as a really hedgy place to sit if no other options happen to crop up that meuh likes (said with a wink to the audience). it makes me very antsy.
i think it marginally points downward for her alignment. there was a point earlier in the game when she was talking to pooky and there was a pause before she asked "are you scum?" which kind of felt like going through the motions of a back and forth which might be influencing the dislike. i didn't bring it up at the time because it was one thing that i didn't feel strongly about but now there's two things so it's more worthwhile.
the pop in feels like it’s at a point where pressure could swing to me and the reason is like the most basic. paired with his few posts which seem very… uninterested in stuff like the miller claims and posts after. like it’s a chance to lambast me with a refusal to talk about anything else happening or what could support his worldview etc.
oh come on this is ridiculous and you know it
what's your argument against mine?
like i'm unsure what you're even asking me to directly challenge here. your read on me as informed?
the answer is "i'm not", i don't think that elle's responses were drafted by mafia for explained reasons
impasse
In post 264, Ydrasse wrote:
the pooky thing is played out and obligatory but i find it interesting (scummy flavored) that he doesn’t seem to care about exploring the content that could maybe help him parse a slot he often plays with and interacts with etc
I'm always gonna have my little clash with Pooky but I think it's entirely and obviously irrelevant to my alignment this game and I think this is an incredibly weak argument to use to SR me
also i don't really think this is like. entirely true because it's a Behavior factored into meta and the things that you do in game so i think that how you treat it could give insight to your alignment. i don't think it's the Strongest reason to call someone mafia but i think it's possible you felt like you had to go through the basic motions of giving him/it attention without actually caring about the more important engagement with it.
the pop in feels like it’s at a point where pressure could swing to me and the reason is like the most basic. paired with his few posts which seem very… uninterested in stuff like the miller claims and posts after. like it’s a chance to lambast me with a refusal to talk about anything else happening or what could support his worldview etc.
oh come on this is ridiculous and you know it
what's your argument against mine?
like i'm unsure what you're even asking me to directly challenge here. your read on me as informed?
the answer is "i'm not", i don't think that elle's responses were drafted by mafia for explained reasons
impasse
okay and so how does that invalidate my read
I don't see how from your PoV you think this is a scum push rather then a town mis-push. Ergo scum PoV.
because i'm taking it in conjunction with the stuff i've said about pooky? :?
you made the post, i read your iso after, and i ended up disliking what you've done.
In post 264, Ydrasse wrote:
the pooky thing is played out and obligatory but i find it interesting (scummy flavored) that he doesn’t seem to care about exploring the content that could maybe help him parse a slot he often plays with and interacts with etc
I'm always gonna have my little clash with Pooky but I think it's entirely and obviously irrelevant to my alignment this game and I think this is an incredibly weak argument to use to SR me
also i don't really think this is like. entirely true because it's a Behavior factored into meta and the things that you do in game so i think that how you treat it could give insight to your alignment. i don't think it's the Strongest reason to call someone mafia but i think it's possible you felt like you had to go through the basic motions of giving him/it attention without actually caring about the more important engagement with it.
so then what would you be arguing if I came into this game without doing it? "Oh it's weird why Cakez didn't anything to Pooky, seems kinda scummy?"
Me doing it or not is not AI
i feel like you're being obtuse right now and intentionally missing the point.
i think that you came into the game and gave the bare minimum amount of attention you had to to pooky because it's ritual. and people notice when that sort of behavior isn't gone.
however, once you did that your actual engagement with "content", the things you could like actually use to get yourself into the game based off of that when it was topical (the meuh/pooky miller thing) was not there, it didn't seem to register to you and i feel like that's a sign you're not really reading or caring to solve the game.
the pop in feels like it’s at a point where pressure could swing to me and the reason is like the most basic. paired with his few posts which seem very… uninterested in stuff like the miller claims and posts after. like it’s a chance to lambast me with a refusal to talk about anything else happening or what could support his worldview etc.
oh come on this is ridiculous and you know it
what's your argument against mine?
like i'm unsure what you're even asking me to directly challenge here. your read on me as informed?
the answer is "i'm not", i don't think that elle's responses were drafted by mafia for explained reasons
impasse
okay and so how does that invalidate my read
I don't see how from your PoV you think this is a scum push rather then a town mis-push. Ergo scum PoV.
because i'm taking it in conjunction with the stuff i've said about pooky?
you made the post, i read your iso after, and i ended up disliking what you've done.
Ydrasse you're really good but your arguments this game are straight and I don't think you'd be making them as town
like i don't know what to say to this but i think it's a really scummy post when you're actively like misinterpreting what i'm saying (and i feel that other people will blatantly... be able to tell what's happening) and then also adding the softening little "you're good omg" to it which, i think maybe is scummy because i'm reading everything else you're doing right now as that but it just feels like one of those little "things" people add to try and make a post seem more real
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Post #317 (isolation #50) » Mon Aug 28, 2023 3:09 pm
Postby Ydrasse »
In post 316, Dunnstral wrote:
Their vote put pressure on Ydrasse at a time when people were considering voting for Ydrasse
i want to clarify that this isn't based off of explicit, in thread posts people have said about wanting to vote me but a general "atmosphere" around some questioning that i felt. i am fighting ghosts as well as mafia.
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Post #330 (isolation #51) » Tue Aug 29, 2023 5:16 am
Postby Ydrasse »
the more i think abt it i don’t really like the “you’re good so these are bad takes” kind of mindset because it feels like there’s an unknowable monolith in being compared to but it doesn’t actually say anything i guess about what “”good”” ydrasse would be doing this game or saying instead. i’m not convinced so i want to wait for cakez to come back with more tho
In post 264, Ydrasse wrote:
the pooky thing is played out and obligatory but i find it interesting (scummy flavored) that he doesn’t seem to care about exploring the content that could maybe help him parse a slot he often plays with and interacts with etc
I'm always gonna have my little clash with Pooky but I think it's entirely and obviously irrelevant to my alignment this game and I think this is an incredibly weak argument to use to SR me
also i don't really think this is like. entirely true because it's a Behavior factored into meta and the things that you do in game so i think that how you treat it could give insight to your alignment. i don't think it's the Strongest reason to call someone mafia but i think it's possible you felt like you had to go through the basic motions of giving him/it attention without actually caring about the more important engagement with it.
so then what would you be arguing if I came into this game without doing it? "Oh it's weird why Cakez didn't anything to Pooky, seems kinda scummy?"
Me doing it or not is not AI
i feel like you're being obtuse right now and intentionally missing the point.
i think that you came into the game and gave the bare minimum amount of attention you had to to pooky because it's ritual. and people notice when that sort of behavior isn't gone.
however, once you did that your actual engagement with "content", the things you could like actually use to get yourself into the game based off of that when it was topical (the meuh/pooky miller thing) was not there, it didn't seem to register to you and i feel like that's a sign you're not really reading or caring to solve the game.
i don't get what you're getting at here. i did engage the pooky and miller stuff but then i moved on because it obviously was not going to be fruitful for my scumhunting purposes. i don't know what you mean by it not registering to me.
the pop in feels like it’s at a point where pressure could swing to me and the reason is like the most basic. paired with his few posts which seem very… uninterested in stuff like the miller claims and posts after. like it’s a chance to lambast me with a refusal to talk about anything else happening or what could support his worldview etc.
oh come on this is ridiculous and you know it
what's your argument against mine?
like i'm unsure what you're even asking me to directly challenge here. your read on me as informed?
the answer is "i'm not", i don't think that elle's responses were drafted by mafia for explained reasons
impasse
okay and so how does that invalidate my read
I don't see how from your PoV you think this is a scum push rather then a town mis-push. Ergo scum PoV.
because i'm taking it in conjunction with the stuff i've said about pooky?
you made the post, i read your iso after, and i ended up disliking what you've done.
Ydrasse you're really good but your arguments this game are straight and I don't think you'd be making them as town
like i don't know what to say to this but i think it's a really scummy post when you're actively like misinterpreting what i'm saying (and i feel that other people will blatantly... be able to tell what's happening) and then also adding the softening little "you're good omg" to it which, i think maybe is scummy because i'm reading everything else you're doing right now as that but it just feels like one of those little "things" people add to try and make a post seem more real
the point of the "you're good" was to situate why I find your current pushes to be so weak
okay so i have to ask,
1) why isn’t it fruitful when i feel other people made use of it to you
2) what other things are helpful in comparison other than whatever this is
and as for the last point it literally says nothing at all about my pushes or alignment. good and bad don’t mean anything when i feel you haven’t qualified what they mean. it doesn’t actually have weight.
In post 316, Dunnstral wrote:
Their vote put pressure on Ydrasse at a time when people were considering voting for Ydrasse
i want to clarify that this isn't based off of explicit, in thread posts people have said about wanting to vote me but a general "atmosphere" around some questioning that i felt. i am fighting ghosts as well as mafia.
i find this post to be extremely scummy
ydrasse earlier attacked me by saying I voted her because other people were thinking about voting her and I was trying to take advantage. now suddenly she's saying that there was nothing explicit but just some feelings she had. how does this make sense at all with her argument that I was scum manipulating the gamestate? i literally could not have had access to her feelings about the game atmosphere. just nonsensical.
yes these two things are not somehow exclusive for one another and i don’t think that everyone in a game says explicitly what they’re thinking as a potential choice to do. i think the questioning prior to your vote came at a time where it was more likely inertia would work with that vote than not. i think that this manifests at least once later with meuh too hemming a bit about where she would go though it seems she later changed course more.
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Post #382 (isolation #55) » Wed Aug 30, 2023 1:41 am
Postby Ydrasse »
i would maybe vote gl but i’m unsure
i felt like some of his posts around me could be white knighty but also in the midst of scrapping with cakez i was also thinking “if he doesn’t see that i’m town i think he’s lying” which is lol
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Post #383 (isolation #56) » Wed Aug 30, 2023 1:42 am
Postby Ydrasse »
also i don’t like the suggestion of voting elle and saying oh it may be good when we have a week left and plenty of time for her to return or have a replacement found
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Post #392 (isolation #58) » Wed Aug 30, 2023 6:17 am
Postby Ydrasse »
i’m going to try to explain again my issue with your vote on me at the time, with the caveat i’m less heated right now because your last post in that big quote chain felt reasonable to me and i might be wrong
i don’t think that, in games, people explicitly say what they are thinking or could potentially do which is obvious, however i think that sometimes the “feel” of what they could do can permeate the thread. (i feel like an insane person)
as in mafia are always going to be reading the thread and see what direction they could push it in potentially even if no one has outright said they want me dead, at that point i felt that your vote on me was one rhat would be pushing on me, an agenda kd kt makes it like easier to say i guess
that was my issue with your vote on me given that i thought it was a weak vote for the informed reasonkng and then after your attitude felt not great