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Helloooooooooo! VOTE: ChicagoTypewriter

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I like Kcda nudging at Med because their opening felt off to me
I can't really pin-point why (I don't really find Kcda's reasoning for it particularly compelling, though I do think he looks townie for it) but I read those posts and was just like "damn Med's probably just scum"

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VOTE: T3 wanna nudge over here

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Medeia can get incorrectly scumread based on NAI playstyle stuff a lot (a lot of the case against them is just that) like in Angels and Demons which was mentioned
Still feeling dread about their vibes though

pedit: UNVOTE:

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your read on her sucks then because her general approach to the game is the same as always, dig a little deeper here

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your read on her sucks then because her general approach to the game is the same as always, dig a little deeper here

It being the same as always is hardly an excuse.

?????
in terms of like being a useful player in general (not being "anti-town") or in terms of alignement
in terms of alignment it 1000% is lmao what are you even saying
doesn't necessarily make them town (I have no doubt they can fake their general approach) but to scumread them over something they always do is like, bad and inaccurate?

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My brain's glossed over pretty much everything so I couldn't even have told you T3 had a single vote there
If T3 got hammered I'd have learned to never 2am post ever again

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Game's not really clicking with me as of yet
Kcda still town!
Pooky looks pretty good here.
I can't read Skitter!
T3 still scum.
Not really in love with CT's posting and hoping the catchup helps with sorting.
Feeling slightly better about medeia, but my brain has especially been glossing over their posts so idk, not really somewhere I wanna push today anyways.
Random Nurse can be town!
ceejay feels pretty townie but I want more content.

VOTE: CT
to make that catchup extra stressful

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hmhmhm

This is my favourite genre of posts

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I can understand why my angle on medeia looks scummy considering angels and demons and the potential payoff of scum!me casting doubt on town!medeia but it's also just, what I'm thinking

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It's honestly just vibes I've had since her intro that haven't shaken off, but I don't have a strong grasp on her alignment at this point because her posts haven't been registering my head for a bit.

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hmhmhm

This is my favourite genre of posts

didn’t have much to add but was going to be aroundish for a while if anyone wanted anything

Oh I wasn't shading it or anything, I genuinely like it when people make a post that's just like "hmmm" or voicing the fact that they're thinking, I find it funny

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VOTE: CT
to make that catchup extra stressful

Catchup is done, by the way.

I'm fine with my vote right where it is!

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T3 are you willing to vote chicago or meuh
Meuh are you willing to vote t3 or chicago
Chicago are you willing to vote meuh or t3?

Yep, I can do both
They're probably the two people I'd be happiest voting tbh

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Actually, it's kind of odd how T3 got to E-1 and then the wagon completely vanished
VOTE: T3

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rude

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I can't vote for T3 twice

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Hello :3
I'll be there for the meeting, sorry for not being around much but stagnant game = stagnant reads and not much has altered the way I view things at this point
I considered T3 vs Chicago as votes yesterday but T3's done nothing I found townie while Chicago has at least had little things I enjoyed, so I'm not compelled to change my vote there

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Random Nurse are you town?

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Hello I'm here to town it up

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Pooky feels town on last few pages

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For me I've had those thoughts about the game state like "oh this is too simple, scum would push back, something would happen" but the game's stagnant enough that I'm not even assured that scum are like, there, or pushing their agenda which makes everything murkier
The weird gamestate loops back around to making me feel indifference at the lack of pushback on this wagon

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That's funny i was just maybe questioning if i townread him

Meuh who should we flip today

I kinda disliked the tone of his last few posts at first but on a reread I think they're genuine and I don't think Pooky really gets frustrated at T3 there unless it's specifically T3/Pooky yknow?

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I've like eyed alternatives to T3 but they all look just thoroughly unexciting

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Looking at the PL right now and ceejay's the only one there that I could maybe find more appealing as a vote if I were to check out his posting again but last I really thought about him I thought he looked okay
But also me forgetting about him maybe makes him scummy in this gamestate

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I'm really puzzling at his random nurse read, the slot feels townie to me tho

Yeah I'm also kinda iffy on his RN read cause he felt townie to me, though meta playing a role in the read makes that less scary in my eyes.
Pooky seemed to dislike RN's whole "not voting is bad for town so you are scum" thing which is fair from a general standpoint of it being a shit read, but is also a type of arguments townies make a lot? But then maybe he expects more from RN, I dunno

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Honestly how is that different than you, chicago, t3 - like i wouod put all 4 slots in a similar bucket, why are you calling out cj particularly

Because I haven't considered cj in a bit
This isn't like overhead commentary on who should be the lim in general, this is "who the alternative to T3 could be" in my eyes
T3 can't be an alternative to T3, I'm not very interested in limming myself and I've already weighed the T3 and CT votes comparatively when you proposed that pool and found T3 more appealing

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Spoiler:

VOTE: T3

Don't like the vote and sudden backing off from kcda there.

I don't get this early "medeia is scum" vibes. Like if I have to place them somewhere, maybe just above null?

Love their convo with Random Nurse here too.

Finished page 4 and I really want to jump to voting Kcda but I don't really want to let pressure off T3 just yet.

This early medeia push really rubs me the wrong way.

kinda wish people pushing me like this was more of an alignment delineating thing but alas

Exactlyyy

medeia being pushed for what I think is how they play sucks to read

That's funny b/c i was abt to say i think they're townie

Actually, thinking back now, one thing of his that stuck out to me as townie was how he said that controlling discussion would be an 85% scum and 15% town PR. I don't think that scum would feel the need to specify town PR vs. scum because that would leave some room for doubt.

UNVOTE:

t3 are u scum?

This feels like a town post to me for some reason

maybe I'll figure out why later

lol wut

VOTE: t3

ooooh good vote, i approve

Is this out of character behavior from T3?

I kind of like this question from CT

As I understand it Scum team members will typically *fight* with each other early on, so I'm always looking for that tell.

I'm a veteran Mafia player but haven't played in about two years, so am rusty.

Saving this for later. Kinda curious on how accurate this is...

Okay, so to continue my barely-existent readlist, by the way:

Mia

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: Lurkiest player besides me, I think. Hasn't really contributed much of substance to the game, though I kind of like her reads. Like scumread anyway, because the reads are pretty common; but on the other hand, I'd rather vote for T3, so...

skitter30

: A lot of 1-line posts. Scumreads T3, scumreads meuh for unknown reasons. Seems to townread the vast majority of the players; not sure I like this. I kind of want a full readlist with justifications from skitter30. Null read, for now; pending success of her reads.

for someone who doesn't provide much, you sure demand a lot

idk what you're failing to read but a lot of Skitter's posts makes sense to me

this feels like you just scanned her iso and looked for something to complain about.

Weirdly enough I kinda townread CT but wow their scumlist hurt my head

kinda like the kcda and pooky parts tho...

them also using pressure voting on RN is so weirdly town

Okay this is just town
I know this is like 90% of his ISO I just quoted the townie posts
Some parts are kinda performative if I look at them from a specific angle but not strongly enough to deter from just, everything else

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Okay, I'm doing a little better on catch-up. The most important thing here is I needed to make sure I actually want to keep my RVS vote on T3.

Overall:
-T3 seriously voted for Kcdaspot 31, unvoted

six minutes later

34, and then seemed to indicate that the initial vote wasn't icky 226. I'm not a fan of this voting behavior.
-T3 supports Random Nurse over Medeia (and who in turn supports T3 back). I'm not sure I like this. Calling them a scumteam seems a bit too obvious as this point given how much they're supporting each other, but ...

well, it's kind of weird from my perspective, given I have a scumlean on Random Nurse right now; given his main gripe against Medeia is the refusal to add a vote for pressure.

-T3 is currently at E-2 with my vote, I believe. I'm find with this.

Decision: Vote stays. I'm going to work on the rest of the catchup, be back in a bit. (By which I mean later today, if I can get to it.)

Ooh ouch this feels bad actually
The wording around the read on RN feels off and the "from my perspective" here feels more like "from the view I've built for myself" than a real perspective
and the reasoning for the RN read is just the no vote for pressure thing which sure it's bad, but also why is RN scum for it?
This bit generally feels disingenuous

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Okay, so to continue my barely-existent readlist, by the way:

Mia

meuh

: Lurkiest player besides me, I think. Hasn't really contributed much of substance to the game, though I kind of like her reads. Like scumread anyway, because the reads are pretty common; but on the other hand, I'd rather vote for T3, so...

skitter30

: A lot of 1-line posts. Scumreads T3, scumreads meuh for unknown reasons. Seems to townread the vast majority of the players; not sure I like this. I kind of want a full readlist with justifications from skitter30. Null read, for now; pending success of her reads.

Yeah nevermind this feels very bird's eye viewesque on a reread. More broad commentary on the state of a player's content than personal thoughts being brought to the table

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Maybe that's just the way he makes reads; but there's an impersonal feel to them that feels ughh
What is accomplished by stating I'm not contributing much, or that Skitter has 1-line posts?

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Now? For starters, UNVOTE: T3, that vote isn't doing anything useful there.

I still maintain my scumread

, I just want to move it.

Bleghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
VOTE: CT

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I feel like t3 is scummy

I feel like we have enough players to eliminate T3, it's just not happening because we have decided to wait until the last possible moment. Is this accurate?

OKay yeah
This ISO is 95% general assessment of the state of the game + people's posting and very little unique thoughts

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I honestly didn't ISO him, I was just thinking about it when cooking some noodles and I recalled CT having some reads that were okay and at least a handful of moments that had good vibes, which is more than I can say about T3 (whose posts had me indifferent at best and mildly alarming at worst)
But now that I'm taking the time to properly check out his ISO, there's a lot of stuff I dislike that I hadn't noticed at first glance

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I'm headed off in like 15 minutes cause I'm up early tomorrow, if there's anything else to ask I can answer rn

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that's fair

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(I do not know how to make that into an answer that will put you at ease)

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I can see the way in which my actions would promote an agenda if I was scum but also I am just not

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I’d say look less at the convenience of the actions I’ve taken and more look at the thoughts I’ve shared or somethint like that

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I’m VT it’s ok if you mislim me

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Maybe I should be fighting for myself but I'm unconvinced that an alternative vote goes much better/that I won't end up limmed on a future day regardless (unless my brain magically clicks into the game, I guess that's possible)

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Meh I think it's easy and more reliable to provide decent content if I were scum

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Maybe I was swayed too easily by the PR claim in a situation where it makes total sense for scum to fake claim PR

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Gut tells me 1 scum in Skitter/Pooky 1 scum in T3/CT/ceejay/RN and then medeia and Sheep can be town, I have no real basis for those groups being as they are but I feel it

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Oh yeah the bad vibes on you have dissipated

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I have made peace like a while ago

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Though I also tend to engage with people on the basis that they're town and dislike weird accusatory 1v1s so I feel like I'd behave similarly if I still thought you were likely to flip scum here

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idk if it's me being tired but I have no clue what that post is saying

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I claimed VT
CT claimed PR with an X-shot ability
I think that's all?

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Did T3 claim

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Doesn't seem like it

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idk if it's me being tired but I have no clue what that post is saying

sorry i am also very tired so could be me

just that like

you believe scum!me makes believable reads, right

i talked about what was bothering me about a series of posts you've made

and your reactions to these were 'i see why you might be viewing it that way'

without like, any suspicion,

like it wasn't engaging me on the basis that i was town but rather like it seemed like you were thinking of me as town

if that makes sense

I had a similar feeling that I had at this point in a different game:

Spoiler:

here i think meuh was forcing her reactions and when i called her scum she responded really self-consciously imo, felt like she knew what i was seeing and didn't know how to deflect it

it's sort of plausible that she would, like she said today, as town know that she was posting weirdly and know that i noticed and also not really know how to respond to that very well

Yeah this
I saw what you were noticing and actively thought this was similar to that really weird moment at like F6 in the dance game before Ydra left and I thought you were town for noticing it
I'm just town here though

Like sometimes I just make posts that I think are scummy or match the way I'd play as scum or would push a scum agenda and when people acknowledge it not only am I fine with it but can actively find it town indicative because we're lining up in terms of what we'd expect from town/scum me

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It sucks cause I wanna destroy accusations thrown at me and call out the people making them but sometimes I just make meh posts or have an awkward direction and you'll have well-intentioned people calling it out and you kinda have to live with it

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Oh gg! Sorry for not towning it up very well >_>