First impression here was that this could be a SK perspective slipIn post 16, sheepsaysmeep wrote: everyone says "if Im cop, then last night I targeted blah blah"
when cop dies, we know their peeks
if mafia kill someone, then even if they weren't cop, we know the people they peeked are clear because we can assume mafia are desperate to hit the cop
BUT, this feels kinda genuine.In post 10, sheepsaysmeep wrote: very miffed to have randed town in this game
Do you have a real vote in mind then?In post 86, Merlyn wrote: Hm, okay. I came there to post an RVS vote when I noticed that a real vote had been placed, and I was like, already?? But if the game was going, it felt weird to post an RVS vote
Ehhhh...I get that, yeah. I know I've had town games where I still come in self conscious because I don't want to get run up (and then that gets me run up).In post 88, Merlyn wrote: I think that being self conscious is like a prerequisite for playing mafia, along with a healthy paranoia and a stock collection of dank memes
I don't see a notable difference in your playstyles, but maybe I'm just having a tough catching on. What's sticking out to you?In post 100, Appearance wrote:yeah.In post 97, sheepsaysmeep wrote:are u insinuating that im omgus'ing
tho i can see now it's more of a playstyle clash thing
Missed a word, meant to say "a tough time"In post 103, Roden wrote:I don't see a notable difference in your playstyles, but maybe I'm just having a tough time catching on. What's sticking out to you?In post 100, Appearance wrote:yeah.In post 97, sheepsaysmeep wrote:are u insinuating that im omgus'ing
tho i can see now it's more of a playstyle clash thing
In post 107, sheepsaysmeep wrote: starting to think roden is every slightly villagery
YayIn post 112, Datisi wrote:i change my mind on this btw i'm gonna treat roden as town for the time beingIn post 109, Datisi wrote: i so far agree with p much everything roden's said in this game, which... worries me???
Do you have a read on Merlyn yet? I feel like you haven't interacted with her all that much.In post 65, Thestatusquo wrote: I specifically joined this game because i want to play with merlyn.
Also, I'm kind of confused by the up the ante content because i feel like my entrance here was like way less cheeky than i was in garlic bread.
I'd also like to know what your read on Shea is. All I can tell so far is that Fire voting Shea stuck out to you.In post 81, Merlyn wrote:In post 65, Thestatusquo wrote: I specifically joined this game because i want to play with merlyn.
Also, I'm kind of confused by the up the ante content because i feel like my entrance here was like way less cheeky than i was in garlic bread.
Your conclusion feels at odds with how you're describing Shea's meta...In post 138, Merlyn wrote:It did, but that's about Fire rather than Shea.In post 127, Roden wrote:I'd also like to know what your read on Shea is. All I can tell so far is that Fire voting Shea stuck out to you.In post 81, Merlyn wrote:In post 65, Thestatusquo wrote: I specifically joined this game because i want to play with merlyn.
Also, I'm kind of confused by the up the ante content because i feel like my entrance here was like way less cheeky than i was in garlic bread.
For Shea, I absolutely know he's capable of being bold as scum or sk, bold enough to say he's ready to lim that early even though it's so obviously bad for town. But that's just meta. His actual posts haven't pinged me though.
You're gonna have to elaborate further on what you mean here, because this accusation doesn't hold much water in this kind of format. The mafia and SK still need to sort everyone since they have to kill the other to actually win. Maybe point out what it is specifically about my sorting that you don't like?In post 208, Black wrote: VOTE: Roden
I think Appearance comes across as more townie than he initially felt to me, and I'm not really liking the way Roden jumped on the wagon to put him back at e-1. I also feel like a lot of Roden's questions have felt like fake sorting attempts, kinda on a performative level of "oh look I'm trying to solve"
I think Appearance is a wolf, and my vote feels more impactful there than on Merlyn. I've grilled her enough, I didn't like of all of her answers but it was enough for me to step back a bit. Plus her interactions with Appearance made her look a bit better IMO.
SK has an incentive to claim VT here. A Cop fake claim still gets them voted out and they just lose faster. Claiming VT though might gain them some town points though, and they'll be a lot safer from the mafia NK if they do survive the vote since mafia really want to kill the Cop ASAP.In post 211, Datisi wrote: hot take(?): appearance is town
i feel like the early unnecessary claim is something that comes from town more often than not, and i'm not sure if i see scum being this chill about being at y-1 and unvoting and not really giving any sort of solid reads bc i feel like a base instinct for most scum is to *do stuff* in that position
What was your follow up to this, btw?In post 114, Black wrote:I have something to say about this but I'll let Merlyn respond firstIn post 108, Datisi wrote: your entrance feels as if you instinctually know you should contribute to the actual content of the game, but don't really know *what* to contribute, so you instead make a comment about "wow the game sure did move out of RVS amirite guys?"
like, a townie that didn't have anything to post there would just post a random vote i feel, or say nothing. a townie that has something to contribute would contribute. this just feels forced, neither one nor the other
Don was a bit of a non-entity until that string of posts, but it didn't feel like a "oh shit I need to start posting content before I get called out on it" moment to me. I feel like they were just hanging back a bit until a few things came up they could hone in on. I generally agree with their takes, and 254 specifically was very well-worded and explained things that were sitting in my brain that I couldn't quite organize into words and hadn't seen anyone else post either.In post 276, sheepsaysmeep wrote:can u talk a bit more about this I dont see itIn post 258, Roden wrote: I'm really liking Don's recent posts, especially 254.
Why does this make Shea town? Every alignment is incentivized to scum hunt in this set up. And Shea himself admitted that his playstyle is all about high activity and constantly driving content.In post 277, Deltabreedy wrote:
Shea- Vibes, feels scumhunty and has the willingness and energy to drive content and arguments.
In post 63, Thestatusquo wrote: The actual fact is that I'm in a huge game right now and i entered both this game and last one trying to play not to my normal hyper style because I'm kind of exhausted but i failed in that game and it kind of already feels like I'm failing in this one.
I'm just sweaty always and i guess i should kind of just embrace that.
Datisi isn't on my radar atm. We share similar reads and I don't think he's done anything that's particularly scummy, and I don't really think he perspective slipped earlier either.In post 288, Deltabreedy wrote:While you're here, weigh in on Datisi?In post 285, Roden wrote:Don was a bit of a non-entity until that string of posts, but it didn't feel like a "oh shit I need to start posting content before I get called out on it" moment to me. I feel like they were just hanging back a bit until a few things came up they could hone in on. I generally agree with their takes, and 254 specifically was very well-worded and explained things that were sitting in my brain that I couldn't quite organize into words and hadn't seen anyone else post either.In post 276, sheepsaysmeep wrote:can u talk a bit more about this I dont see itIn post 258, Roden wrote: I'm really liking Don's recent posts, especially 254.
Either Datisi or SheepIn post 291, Deltabreedy wrote: @Roden: True, but as I say, from vibes I feel that they're townie. Playstyle, sure but vibes tell me they're town.
Who is your top townread?
You gotta give me time to type
In post 297, Deltabreedy wrote: Can you quantify that for me?
It was a lot of waffle to get down to... You haven't sorted him yet.
Are they a townlean then?
Is this at me? I thought I was very explicit with my thoughts there lolIn post 298, Deltabreedy wrote: Not quantify, but just say what you mean kind of thing.
In post 327, Datisi wrote: that's not fair fire, what do you mean you read games for meta instead of just making vibe assumptions??
also, a question to everyone other than delta: do i sound outraged there?
Real answer, not really but you do sound annoyed. Which could be interpreted as outrage if one wanted to be uncharitable.In post 336, Roden wrote:In post 327, Datisi wrote: that's not fair fire, what do you mean you read games for meta instead of just making vibe assumptions??
also, a question to everyone other than delta: do i sound outraged there?
Good luck then I guessIn post 352, Deltabreedy wrote: @Roden
Someone perspective slipping
Then ducking and dodging questions when called out on it and failing to address it
Then accusing the person voting them of insinuating that they're shite at the game out of nowhere
Then attempting to end the conversation rather than moving it along
isn't compelling? Maybe you need more time but no - I'm staying on this point for a while now.
In post 99, Thestatusquo wrote:pretty much what I was picking up on. It's a lot of "content" that says like almost nothing.In post 98, sheepsaysmeep wrote: I think ur catchup is wolfily skeletal / awkward
could've been a smaller number of posts and doesnt really actually say much (particularly "I dont see why x is scum" is a wolf-tell imo; other posts ping me for basically the exact same reason)
in particular the comment "this thing could be NAI for her" just like pings me to hell. Like of course it could be but you ain't getting an answer to that question from a 30 second skim of an iso.
VOTE: appearance
In post 136, Merlyn wrote:I can't imagine why this would be about me. We have never played a completed game together first off. As far as I know, the only time we've interacted with each other is in an ongoing game, which a) we can't talk about, b) I replaced out of in twelve posts, and c) as far as I know my replacement is still playing and thus you have no idea what alignment.In post 132, Appearance wrote:u obviouslyIn post 118, Merlyn wrote:Who is this post about?In post 93, Appearance wrote: a quick iso of our last game together shows she tends to be white-knighty and does dumbtell as scum
VOTE: Appearance
Then later on, Shea's vote on Sheep vote just seems like a vanity vote with no real momentum, and it comes in at a time where wagons were already starting to die and votes were getting spread out. There's no real urgency to case Sheep though and instead he just kind of aimlessly argued with random people.In post 150, JasonWazza wrote:
In post 372, Thestatusquo wrote: Actually fuck it I think this is just not town sheep at all.
VOTE: Sheep
What gives me pause is that he's had a pretty flippant attitude, which I think is town for him? But at the same time, I don't think he's accomplishing much and I remember him being more impactful. The high post count is there, but it's just...there.In post 375, JasonWazza wrote:
I still think Appearance is scummy though and posts like these are just bleh. Fire is worse, but worse how? As it is, it just looks like piggy backing on revent sentiment. And with no vote to go with it this also feels toothless.In post 402, Appearance wrote: tho tbh fire does seem worse now and i would like an explanation for that sheep read.
I disagree with this on a fundamental level, and I wanted to go more into this yesterday but never found the free time. But I don't think it's uncommon at all for scum to buddy up with a scum partner or hard defend them, I wouldn't even say it's more than moderately bold to do. I would say you'd have a point if you got pounced on for it, because then that would demonstrate that it gets people scum read and would be a bad play for scum to make. But...that didn't happen.In post 430, Thestatusquo wrote: As it so happens I think its pretty true on face that most people would not play the way roden is talking about on face. Ask yourself if you were partners with merlyn would you play the way I am being accused of playing? What is my motivation for playing that way if we're scum? What is my motivation for just throwing suspicion everywhere if I'm scum? As scum players are generally much more careful about who they are scum reading and why because they are more concerned with staying alive than getting specific lims. You can very easily compare all this stuff to your own town play and scum play.
I'm not saying anything revolutionary here.
Like I get what you're saying here but I don't think you're conflicted at all. I think you're aimless and lax. I don't think you're invested in pushing any one slot and it feels like you've given up too easily when anyone disagrees with your scum reads.In post 423, Thestatusquo wrote: I think the characterization of me not having 'bite' to my pushes is straight up wrong though and I promise you I'm perfectly capable of pushing with bite as scum and in fact being conflicted is much more of a Hallmark of my town game though obviously I try to replicate it.
Sheep.In post 523, Thestatusquo wrote: Name one scum read I've given up on.
Ok, sell it to me.In post 529, Thestatusquo wrote:I still think sheep could be scum.In post 527, Roden wrote:Sheep.In post 523, Thestatusquo wrote: Name one scum read I've given up on.
It's not about laying down a vote. Your activity is high but your bloodlust is low. And your high activity is why I don't think you're just unmotivated/apathetic town, like you clearly want to play the game yet I don't feel like you are trying to make an impact.In post 535, Thestatusquo wrote:No you're accusing me of my scum reads going nowhere but I'm not sure what you expect me to do, I can't vote them all at once?In post 532, Roden wrote: That's...kinda what I said you did
Does this affect your Datisi read?In post 574, Deltabreedy wrote: I think it's quirky that Fire jumped in to defend Datisi super-hard, it looked more like someone looking to curry favour on what was being universally called a bad read for credit, and didnt read as genuine.
Why would Town!Fire jump in to defend Datisi? Meh I dont think they're town
Has your Merlyn read changed or do you still feel about the same?In post 579, Deltabreedy wrote: Yeah. I don't think they can both be scum.
I feel like this was genuine spew and that his partner doesn't fit the criteria he's describing here. I doubt that anyone who was pushing to hit the SK yesterday is the second mafia, and that his buddy either had no comment or tried to blend in by doubting our attempts to hit the SK.In post 498, Thestatusquo wrote: its also worth noting: re all the mech talk.
It is definitely still good for town to hit SK today but it is especially good for scum to hit SK today because then they direct all the nightkills.
So I think its worth looking into who was a little bit too enthusiastic about refuting the "we shouldn't try to hit sk today" point.
LolIn post 176, Thestatusquo wrote: I notice stuff like this because its something I do a lot as scum, try to build narrative subtly with the way I'm describing things so that I don't have to push stuff just have others pick up on the negative framing I'm using and run with it.
It's very effective.
Unless I missed something, I think Don fits the bill the most here.In post 599, Roden wrote:I feel like this was genuine spew and that his partner doesn't fit the criteria he's describing here. I doubt that anyone who was pushing to hit the SK yesterday is the second mafia, and that his buddy either had no comment or tried to blend in by doubting our attempts to hit the SK.In post 498, Thestatusquo wrote: its also worth noting: re all the mech talk.
It is definitely still good for town to hit SK today but it is especially good for scum to hit SK today because then they direct all the nightkills.
So I think its worth looking into who was a little bit too enthusiastic about refuting the "we shouldn't try to hit sk today" point.
I have no plans on voting anyone you've scum cased off of only the first three pages of the gameIn post 676, Random Nurse wrote: Datisi, Rosen, Sheep, Don, are any of you willing to vote/yeet fireisred?
I'm speculating about the kill because I think it helps narrow down who the SK is. I didn't really get the feeling Shea was Cop, but if it's true that some people did then we have to consider that the SK could have taken Bulletproof. I think that's a really suboptimal choice though and I'm not sure anyone here would really take that. Because even if scum shot them and failed to kill...now scum know who the SK is and can strategize around voting them out, or even reveal them through an act of mayrtdom if the mafia themself were about to be voted out.In post 651, Datisi wrote:mostly seeing roden and donempire make claims/speculation about why shea was killed, which faction is it better to go for today, etc, trying to work it through myself, and feeling like it's really not that easy to conclude anything? and i didn't wanna say "hey guys i have no fucking clue where y'all getting that from, am i the stupid one" soIn post 646, fireisredsir wrote:kinda curious what made you decide to post thisIn post 615, Datisi wrote: it's kinda annoying because i wanna look for the SK with the nightkill, but also i don't know if shea was killed because SK thought shea was gonna push them to die, because they thought shea was scum and wanted to start getting rid of mafia, or because they got cop vibes or something?
That's true, and there is an added bonus that it makes anyone who scum read Shea look good today too.In post 693, fireisredsir wrote: im still not sure i really agree with the logic of "sk must have been afraid of getting limmed by shea" though
i think it's possible that if they chose cop immune, they could have just been hunting scum, and shea is probably easier to shoot than to lim since he can be pretty loud
i agree with pretty much the rest of the post though
Fair tbh but you won't have to worryIn post 694, Datisi wrote: nothing in the last day really changed my on anything
roden stonks are rising
i will be very annoyed if the first time i encounter his scumgame it's this but it do be like that sometime
Nurse doesn't need to obvtown, the slot is already town because of Merlyn and Shea.In post 752, Deltabreedy wrote: Don't undermine my argument by painting it as idiocy, it's fucking rude for a start and you'll give scum like fire and trolls like nurse a bat to beat over my head.
They obviously can't be partners. Me saying it clear as day is why I feel slightly better about Datisi, although I still find them annoying.
I'm concerned that Nurse is making an attempt at obv-towning by picking a shitty fight to focus on (I'm not reading the game and that's just how I am) but at present the improvement in my Datisi read doesn't overcome that.
Why are you currently voting Nurse?In post 762, Donempire wrote:You don't get it, i'm building up hype. When all hope is lost, the watertight case will come, ending the game on the spot.In post 758, Datisi wrote: maybe the real fire case was the friends we made along the way
She's been town by play, or at least going by how she typically plays as town and how that's been described. SK!Merlyn never kills Shea, especially not Night 1, since he was hard defending her all game and was probably her biggest ally Day 1. And even though I hero solved them as a scum pair yesterday, mafia!Merlyn is considered to be very unlikely since their interactions were probablyIn post 768, Deltabreedy wrote: @Roden: Can you walk me through how Merlyn is town?
In post 780, Deltabreedy wrote: The amount of people referring to their own meta in this game is actually annoying me now - pointing back at meta as though it -proves- anything.
Imo pointing at your own meta and saying 'This is my [alignment] play in my mind makes any referring to meta moot, because it indicates an awareness of meta and if you're aware of it, you can play towards and away from it.
Ok you might be town.In post 781, Deltabreedy wrote: Shea used self-referential meta in an attempt to prove townhood - for me self-referential meta is a scumtell
