Micro 1084 | Quantum Mafia | Game Over

[JasonWazza]

VOTE: Doctor Drew

I mean a cult should definitely go into the box right?

[JasonWazza]

But I didn't get no impure wavefunction in my PM, so unless I've just happened to personally get a pure one for some reason I don't think this is what is going on

Since you mentioned this, i'll point out i have asked, and our Role PM's aren't guaranteed to be true, just the numbering order.

So we could still be in some wonky quantum state of not having roles and having roles or some shit.

I suspect some fuckery is afoot already if i'm being perfectly honest.

[JasonWazza]

Mechanical Rules and Information

(this section may be incomplete, more things will be added, removed, or changed as they become public knowledge or change. some of this may require zeitgeist. rest assured, all rules are written down in the moderator thread)

In case people missed it, this is in Post 0 just FYI.

And I believe is what heipizhu is referring to.

[JasonWazza]

The only thing I'm sure of is that the fact that we're numbered will mean something, because otherwise why bother

Maybe a certain other number (EG +1, +2, -1, -2 etc.) receives the box and gets to decide when they look in the box?

Does seem weirdly significant that the numbering is the only thing considered true information

[JasonWazza]

Maybe a certain other number (EG +1, +2, -1, -2 etc.) receives the box and gets to decide when they look in the box?

That I doubt may be the case, since there is only one Box, not one box for each boxed player (as proved by the fact that the (empty) Box already exists, and is also capitalized)

Seems weird that it's only capitalized in the one instance though (this is my paranoia kicking into overdrive)

But will also point out it is also referred to as the box each time, so yeah maybe so.

[JasonWazza]

We don't even know if voting mafia to be put in the box will help town lol

We don't even know if voting mafia to be put in the box will help town lol

We don't even know whether a scum exist here lol

Frankly unless there's strong evidence of the contrary it's probably best to just assume there is

So if we can spot a player here playing like a jester, we may assume 'putting mafia in the box doesn't help town'?

This would assume the "Mafia" have knowledge of the mechanics, and that's not necessarily true.

[JasonWazza]

I don't like that the votes are with post numbers so i want to test something for the next VC.

VOTE: Merlyn
VOTE: Ircher

[JasonWazza]

I don't like that the votes are with post numbers so i want to test something for the next VC.

VOTE: Merlyn
VOTE: Ircher

Why don't you like it? That's a pretty common thing for mods to do.

I'm a very paranoid person, and bugspray in previous games hasn't used post numbers in VC's (i checked)

Day phases last for 168 hours (seven earth spinnies). During this time all players must vote on who to put into the box.

And i'll note that the above doesn't actually say that the deadline passes when we put X people into the box

[JasonWazza]

bianco, that might be a bit paranoid, because at least as far as i know, they are all referred to as brackets at all times (at least in Australia, might be different in other versions of english)

[JasonWazza]

Actually, you know what i want to ask this, does everyone have Reality feels unstable in their role PM?

[JasonWazza]

Oh, didn't think of that. This game is starting to be a word game vs the mod lol

To be fair the mod started it with the wording in our Role PT's

[JasonWazza]

VOTE: heipizhu4

[JasonWazza]

Mine is real.

And i will point this out, pondering aloud may actually help the town as a whole, given that we were given the single box answer publicly by pondering about the box.

[JasonWazza]

Nobody (this is not a person, there is simply nobody inside of the box.)

Just noticed, the bracket has been closed, and here i was thinking that we were able to close it ourselves and thus close the box lol

[JasonWazza]

Note the wording, all QTs, not all members of the Town or something like that.

Just to be clear, i think all town are Quantum Town.

[JasonWazza]

rest assured, all rules are written down in the moderator thread

@Mod: Are all rules considered active at all times, even if they aren't public knowledge?

[JasonWazza]

Anyone else just wanna wing this and play it like a regular game of Mafia until the mechanics screws us over?

Lol, I do kinda vibe with this.

I mostly just find it weird why someone would feel the need to say this, over just doing it.

Anyone else just wanna wing this and play it like a regular game of Mafia until the mechanics screws us over?

So where should we start? Like:
VOTE: imagine as a pressure post for having the least post count?

So, imagine, do you have any thought on this game currently, either about the mechanic or the reads on players?

Why do you feel the need to make everyone talk about the mechanics of the game?

[JasonWazza]

Heating up the discussion and try to push things away from rvs.

There are 2 real votes on you, you realize that yeah?

Fishing some gms out of the mafia's mouth (if mafia know more machanics than we do)

So your just basically admitting to being scum, and having more information aren't you?

Because you no longer have the excuse of there being no Sample PM's, so there would be no reason to assume this.

[JasonWazza]

Isn't it Common knowledge that scum have more information than the town?

The knowledge they have is of their alignment, and as a general rule of thumb in other games, the fact that they are likely the only team with their alignment, we are not playing a standard game, so that likely isn't even true (we have knowledge of a Quantum Goon Role card, that doesn't mean there isn't more fuckery afoot)

So Mafia's information is their partner, compared to Town who don't have info as to who is on their team.

Yeah, I realized, but I also realized the votes are not votes that try to get me eliminated. As I infered above, box != dead. I'm fine if you guys really put me in the box to test what the box actually means, and I'm ready for sacrifice.

I mean, if somehow you don't die, i'm down to try again till you do.

P-Edit:

no Sample PM's

Sorry, never trust the mod in a bastard game lol. Even the sample pm is given, how can you be sure scums have exactly the same amount of info as the town (execept they know their partners)? Apply the same logic on you, you basically admit scum and say 'I don't know more info about the setup than the town', aren't you?

To be clear, i'm not the one assuming they do or don't know anything, you are, my accusations are at the fact that you seem to be implying they have more knowledge, when at least a town player shouldn't believe that is truth.

I don't think talking about mechanics helps town right now (especially since we don't know if someone on the Town side has something that interacts with these mechanics, and would be best left undisclosed.)

[JasonWazza]

and as a general rule of thumb in other games OF THIS SIZE

EBWOP

[JasonWazza]

I'ma be honest, i also agree with Drew that this feels like a Heip/Bianco game.

That's probably way too easy, but that's what it feels like.

[JasonWazza]

I'm really not seeing what some of you are seeing with heip, and some of the votes there are very questionable.

Feels kinda weird that you ignored my vote, is there a reason for that?

[JasonWazza]

I'm really not seeing what some of you are seeing with heip, and some of the votes there are very questionable.

Feels kinda weird that you ignored my vote, is there a reason for that?

Yeah, I was only quoting the questionable ones.
I can comment on it though, give me a minute.

I mean how is my vote more or less questionable then Drew's?

Seems odd that you'd call out Drew, but not me for the vote.

UNVOTE: heipizhu4
VOTE: Aliana

[JasonWazza]

Fwiw, Jason is a player that will be town to me until something jumps out at me. Even though he burned us as scum once, I want to believe that power can help town even more, plus I recently subbed into his town slot recently(as you know), so I feel I was able to see how the sausage is made.

Not sure that the game your referencing is the best one to use honestly (especially since if i recall i replaced out fairly early on in the game)

Why is it scummy that she only addressed me but not you?

Feels like deliberately trying to avoid me, especially considering i don't see how my vote should be considered less questionable then yours.

[JasonWazza]

I'm really not seeing what some of you are seeing with heip, and some of the votes there are very questionable.

Feels kinda weird that you ignored my vote, is there a reason for that?

Yeah, I was only quoting the questionable ones.
I can comment on it though, give me a minute.

I mean how is my vote more or less questionable then Drew's?

Seems odd that you'd call out Drew, but not me for the vote.

UNVOTE: heipizhu4
VOTE: Aliana

I get why my wording there was unclear, I called him out there because he never provided any reasons for scumreading heip. You did, even if they were after the vote. My bad for wording it like I was solely focused on the votes.

No... no i didn't, i gave later reasons to scum read heip more, but i have never once explained the original reason for the vote.

[JasonWazza]

Well I could see in more or less real time how you react to being scum read when you are town, I know it isn't a huge thing, but does help me out.

That reaction wasn't to being scum-read to be clear, but i'd rather not dwell on that one any more then we have.

If you wanted to really see me Town in real time, it'd have to be in a hydra

[JasonWazza]

There is no sample pm.
We have completely no idea how many scums are there

We don't even know whether a scum exist here lol

It's a mix of this stuff here is the reason i thought that i'm concerned with Heip.

Scum would be more worried about sample PM's it feels like, because town at least have a PM that is usable for claiming and whatnot, it's the scum that would potentially be more concerned of not having a sample PM.

Then the "no idea how many scum there is" this seems really weird, especially followed slightly after with "we don't know if they exist" there is no reason to think that we would be in a game with no scum.

This all adds up to me thinking that this is Scum.

[JasonWazza]

This one is completely unexplained and stays that way. Drew is trying to think up possible partners, but why he actually scumreads heip in the first place is a mystery.

Like i really want to point out to everyone else the actual quote i'm digging into Aliana for.

This reasoning applies to both me and Drew, I think Aliana is trying to avoid getting into a bout with me, and I can't imagine a Town reason for this.

[JasonWazza]

There is no sample pm.
We have completely no idea how many scums are there

We don't even know whether a scum exist here lol

It's a mix of this stuff here is the reason i thought that i'm concerned with Heip.

Scum would be more worried about sample PM's it feels like, because town at least have a PM that is usable for claiming and whatnot, it's the scum that would potentially be more concerned of not having a sample PM.

Then the "no idea how many scum there is" this seems really weird, especially followed slightly after with "we don't know if they exist" there is no reason to think that we would be in a game with no scum.

This all adds up to me thinking that this is Scum.

Do you still feel this way?

It feels like a decent chance to be Newb-Scum in my opinion, especially given the later interactions with the slot.

[JasonWazza]

There is no sample pm.
We have completely no idea how many scums are there

We don't even know whether a scum exist here lol

It's a mix of this stuff here is the reason i thought that i'm concerned with Heip.

Scum would be more worried about sample PM's it feels like, because town at least have a PM that is usable for claiming and whatnot, it's the scum that would potentially be more concerned of not having a sample PM.

Then the "no idea how many scum there is" this seems really weird, especially followed slightly after with "we don't know if they exist" there is no reason to think that we would be in a game with no scum.

This all adds up to me thinking that this is Scum.

I don't like how you quote my 37. This is a post dumping all my observations on the GMs and rules, and it seems you are wrongly pushing me by only quoting part of my posts.

42 is a semi-joke where I'm making up a hypotheses that the true setup could be way more bastard than we imagine.

>Concerned of not having a sample pm
If I were a scum, why shouldn't ask the mod directly for the sample pm since the lack of sample pm is a moderation error?
And I believe we have got lot of information after the scum pm was revealed as mentioned in 96

You don't have to like my reasoning, and how am i wrongly pushing you by explaining why i had first voted you over 100 posts later?

Regarding 96, i don't think that's actual information the rest of us really gained, you might have gained this information, being a newb to the site, but most of us from this site could assume this knowledge.

[JasonWazza]

Because it's a scumplay to do inaccurate quotes.

They aren't inaccurate quotes if i'm simply explaining why i started scum reading you, i'm not using them to build a scum case, i'm using them to explain my original vote.

I have previously mentioned that agreed with some of your accusations on me, but I can't really say I like this one.

Why do you think me making those quotes is an accusation on you?

This seems overly defensive.

[JasonWazza]

Because it's a scumplay to do inaccurate quotes.

They aren't inaccurate quotes if i'm simply explaining why i started scum reading you, i'm not using them to build a scum case, i'm using them to explain my original vote.

I have previously mentioned that agreed with some of your accusations on me, but I can't really say I like this one.

Why do you think me making those quotes is an accusation on you?

This seems overly defensive.

Well, it's kind of dramatic to frame it as an accusation but essentially it's true though, right? You're accusing them of being scum though, right? You used the quotes to explain why you started scum reading them.

Merlyn, just a reminder that this was my reasoning for a vote on Page 4, when we were basically in RVS, i don't need a lot of reason to make a real vote, and i think what i quoted was reasoning enough.

Whether Heip likes the quotes or not is basically irrelevant to me, and frankly arguing that i'm misquoting them as scumplay is just dumb.

[JasonWazza]

Most newer players behave this way regardless of alignment. I'm not seeing what you're seeing.

Specifically what behavior are you defending?

[JasonWazza]

Yeah, I get that, your vote seemed fine to me. I was talking about you asking Heip why they used the word 'accusation', and I don't see a problem with them using the word

Why do you not want to have Heip address the way that it was worded?

Also weird that you doing this at a minor part of what the whole post was, and my main point was using the word Accusation like it was used, kind of implies that it's a current part of my argument against Heip (Heip refers to the rest of my current arguments at the same time)

You may think that just saying that Accusation is the correct word to use clears this up, but it really doesn't.

[JasonWazza]

I'd probably be more organized and less on the fence about my reads. It's easier to do that when I'm informed and have a scum agenda.
The thing about mimicking my townplay is that there are tendencies I can't help having as town that are either difficult (like the transparency) or suboptimal (like lacking confidence in my reads and feeling like I have no clue what I'm doing) to fake when playing to a scum wincon, at least to the degree that I sometimes do those things as town. If I were going to mimic my townplay, I'd probably be looking at the games where I got UTRed and died N1, where I didn't just look like town!me but also like town in general. Not doing whatever the heck I'm doing now lol.
It is hard to say though when I'm not actually in that position. Also depends on who my buddy is and how they want to play it.

I honestly slept on this and am still not entirely sure how i feel about this Self Meta, it feels like Atlantis making a real take, but it also feels like it's just wrong at the same time.

That said it is definitely pinging me as town.

UNVOTE: Aliana
VOTE: heipizhu4

[JasonWazza]

re:read- If you're saying I'm messing with you building a case I'll back off

not really messing with a case, but messing with me getting a response from Heip, generally if part of the argument is semantics i'd prefer that the person being addressed is the first to respond and actually explain their wording.

[JasonWazza]

I'm gonna give my very broad reads of the game so far, note these buckets are a bit wider then normal and in no particular order.

Town;
Drew
CJ
Accordion

Null;
imaginality
Ircher

Scum;
Merlyn
Heip
Bianco

[JasonWazza]

To add to bianco's point, Scum have day talk, there is no need to communicate in thread.

[JasonWazza]

There is only one box, and everyone inside has to share.

Apricot, we already knew that.

[JasonWazza]

Did you only just now notice?

[JasonWazza]

Feels very similar to Brass and Shrapnel to me.

[JasonWazza]

Are those in order Merlyn?

[JasonWazza]

UNVOTE: heipizhu4
VOTE: Merlyn

This is E-1

[JasonWazza]

We had a few people basically somewhat admit that they were just a QT, but I expect bianco to point out tomorrow where enough people did it for them to say that there is no non-QT townies.

[JasonWazza]

This is definitely the Bianco from Brass and Shrapnel just FYI.

[JasonWazza]

Welp, at least now it's time to see how this game is gonna fuck us.

[JasonWazza]

Vig Bianco

[JasonWazza]

Hey if reality is unstable, I think we can will this into existence.

[JasonWazza]

You are wrong Avacado, we are a Twilight Vig.

[JasonWazza]

Eh, toMorrow's gonna suck isn't it

How are you so sure that Tomorrow is where we will get to before the sucking starts, I suspect that this lim might even be funky.

[JasonWazza]

@Mod: Are Alianna and Merlyn allowed to talk?

[JasonWazza]

Best guess would be someone gets to determine or act upon the box in some way within these 24 hours.

Also going to try this.

The players in the box are able to talk publicly during the morning phase.

[JasonWazza]

Observe the box

Makes a little more sense being Quantum and all

[JasonWazza]

I tried touching the box over night.

But from I could tell, I don't think it did anything.

Merlyn has been put into the box! Now everyone goes to bed after promising not to touch the box until morning.

How could you, you have ruined the box Drew, we promised.

[JasonWazza]

So obviously morning isn't over yet, maybe we get flips going into day, maybe we have some way to actually look into the box and that's when we get a flip.

That said, we might just have to consider that this might be a 7v2 mountainous with no flip on death.

[JasonWazza]

Especially since we haven't really found any... game altering effects as of yet.

[JasonWazza]

I mean here are the facts:

Everyone not in the box has posted.
Neither player in the box has posted.
No one that has posted, has given any indication of any major changes.
Ircher/Heip haven't indicated having tried interacting with the box, but everyone else has.

That said, maybe the morning Phase is more to do with the players in the box (note we can't know that they are DEAD currently, so maybe the box has something that they can do.)

I'll also note that

Nobody, I believe that if someone knew the setup beforehand they would take a moral duty upon themselves to tell as many people as possible so that they do not sign up for the game.

This doesn't rule out the game being more scumsided, in fact that could be the very reason that people would say not to play it.

[JasonWazza]

I'll also be honest and say i feel like i'm more playing a Conspiracy game then a Mafia game.

[JasonWazza]

I'm more of the mind that this is a setup where we learn more as the game progresses. Why else would the mod feel compelled to give us each a thread rather than just using normal role pms?

I mean to be fair, I actually kind of like that system, and might steal it for future games, feels better then having to sort through PM's to find information.

[JasonWazza]

I'm more of the mind that this is a setup where we learn more as the game progresses. Why else would the mod feel compelled to give us each a thread rather than just using normal role pms?

I mean to be fair, I actually kind of like that system, and might steal it for future games, feels better then having to sort through PM's to find information.

I have played in another game that everyone had a personal PT, even from a players perspective was kinda cool to have.

I will say it also seems like it would be better from a moding perspective, all potential results come pre-packaged in case of replacement, less likelihood of having to repeat questions and answers that might result from a role to that specific player slot, and it's an inbuilt Personal PT (which I have a preference to have in general, as even when i was originally on the site, i mostly just had several notepads of information on my computer).

[JasonWazza]

So big claim here, make sure you read each part of it.

Claim: i WAS scum with Ircher, meaning each of us has 2 states, Quantum Townie and Quantum Mafia, this is actually eluded to in flip of Merlyn.

Note: The Mafia team absolutely don't have access to any additional information.

Suspicion: This means that it is very likely that CJ is scum right now, Merlyn was number 1, so i suspect that the movement of roles is either +/- 1 meaning CJ would be scum in every case.

However, this doesn't always help us, we don't know that putting him in the box keeps his alignment the same and Aliana's flip might change the alignment.

Note: The Mafia team boxing is also not compulsive, so it might be worth it for whoever the Mafia team is to not actually box someone at night, as your likely to alignment change again.

Plan: Box CJ, Mafia team should avoid using the box mechanic, observe if the Alignment's change affects people in the box.

VOTE: ceejayvinoya

[JasonWazza]

You win when all Quantum Townies are dead.

Also note: the wording of this, Mafia has to remove ALL QT's not just some, so it is likely that you are better off trying to win with Town, not Scum, as you are likely to lose your alignment.

[JasonWazza]

Do you and Ircher still share a PT?

It's the same PT, and We (I) lost access.

[JasonWazza]

1. Merlyn
   
2. heipizhu4
   
3. Doctor Drew
   
4. biancospino
   
5. Aliana
   
6. JasonWazza
   
7. ceejayvinoya
   
8. Ircher
   
9. imaginality

Reminder, the numbers are important, if it's +/- 1 due to being Merlyn, +1 from JasonWazza = CJ, -1 from Ircher = CJ

It just seems like the best place to start.

I'm interested that Ircher's voting Drew while you're voting ceejay.

I can see why, i just disagree.

[JasonWazza]

Also, and again a dumb question, this basically clears Heip and Bianco as not D1 scum? And depending on which direction it changed, one of them is cleared today as well......again if we were to believe your theory.

Especially since my role/alignment didn't change.

I am just trying to talk through this claim lol

Yes to be clear, your D1 scum were Ircher/JasonWazza, and yes haha I was scum and no one guessed.

It's possible that one of the scum would be Bianco (-1 skipping Aliana) or even that Aliana turned into scum if the box doesn't shield Alignment changes

[JasonWazza]

So big claim here, make sure you read each part of it.

Claim: i WAS scum with Ircher, meaning each of us has 2 states, Quantum Townie and Quantum Mafia, this is actually eluded to in flip of Merlyn.

Note: The Mafia team absolutely don't have access to any additional information.

Suspicion: This means that it is very likely that CJ is scum right now, Merlyn was number 1, so i suspect that the movement of roles is either +/- 1 meaning CJ would be scum in every case.

However, this doesn't always help us, we don't know that putting him in the box keeps his alignment the same and Aliana's flip might change the alignment.

Note: The Mafia team boxing is also not compulsive, so it might be worth it for whoever the Mafia team is to not actually box someone at night, as your likely to alignment change again.

Plan: Box CJ, Mafia team should avoid using the box mechanic, observe if the Alignment's change affects people in the box.

VOTE: ceejayvinoya

I refuse to play along with this. That "Suspicion" makes the game too easy and predictable too. Where did you even get the movement of roles stuff anyway?

Why don't we vote Ircher first anyway? There's no guarantee that his state has changed. Mine certainly has not.

VOTE: Ircher

Do you realize how shitty the game would be if one scum changes and the other doesn't?

[JasonWazza]

@Jason: why would this setup be broken if only one scum changed alignment rather than both?

Because it's an even easier solve then movement via the numbers, we find out on D3 that Ircher was scum the whole time, and given that the next scum is guaranteed to be his current partner.

[JasonWazza]

Hint: CJ is a victim of circumstance in that both directions make's him scum, but consider it from a wider game perspective, and where scum aren't just 2 slots away from each other, this movement wouldn't be easy to detect, and would normally result in 4 possible targets.

Whereas one scum changing always has the same issue every time, in that at D3 the second scum to change can always out the third scum member.

[JasonWazza]

Kind of unfortunate that we didn't get an Aliana Flip, so it might be that we only get one flip a day which will suck.

[JasonWazza]

Well that would be +3 for both scum members, which would make the next set Doctor Drew/Aliana.

[JasonWazza]

I mean i've done that a few times (basically since we boxed her), and also, i wouldn't know if i was scum right now?

[JasonWazza]

@Mod: do we know if it's possible for a player in the box to also be affected by the quantum phase?

[JasonWazza]

It might be worth waiting for CJ to be flipped, just a thought.

I frankly don't understand how we as players influence this game with anything useful at this point though.

[JasonWazza]

@Mod: No dead players alignment's are listed, do they retain their alignment from when they are flipped?

[JasonWazza]

I'm going to point out that this is technically a non-answer.

[JasonWazza]

If we have to lim compared to no lim, then we need to lim scum because otherwise ultimately it gets down to 2v2 and whoever happens to be scum then will win, at the expense of all the dead townies. So there's kinda motivation to scum hunt and for scum to hide? It's just a constricted type of scum hunting since they weren't scum previous days. Maybe we can see difference in gameplay.

Just to be clear, your forgetting the wording of the Scum PM.

You win when

all

Quantum Townies are dead.

Even if you hit 2v2 and are scum, it means nothing.

And if players in the box can change alignments, we benefit from only removing 1 player per day (and scum don't benefit from boxing themselves due to that inevitably putting the control out of their hands when they change alignments)

Also i'll point out the wording of the town PM while i'm at it.

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

Realistically this has to be achievable in some fashion, the word Eliminated being here makes me think that this can only be achieved by lims, and if that is the case, we need to re-sync ourselves to get flips immediately, rather then on a delay of multiple days. (A lim right now, would only give us actual information in 2 days.)

I'll also point out that 4v2 isn't terrible here, as we gain the benefit of the scum pair WANTING to eliminate each other. (Scum benefit post alignment change from liming their partner, and while they can't claim scum, nothing says that they can't be more overly focused on bussing their partner.)

I also don't think scum team claims are useful to us at this point, as it's just going to continue muddying the waters, and not actually give us anything beneficial in the long term.

@Mod: If the entire town agrees, can we choose to start skipping the morning phase?

[JasonWazza]

I'm not forgetting the wording. But when it's 2v2 scum can force no lim, kill and then it's 1v2 next day and they win. Even given alignments can change there's still 2/3 chance they're scum again in the 1v2 so it is clearly to their advantage to force the no lim at 2v2.

I guess personally i just don't like the odds of 1/3 chance to just straight lose, and would prefer to avoid that personally.

As for "you win when all threats to the town have been eliminated" isn't that pretty standard wording? I think you're reading too much into it.

I'm happy to play the guessing the scum game if that's the way we want to go. Just seems mean making two people lose as scum in a game when their alignment has been changing compared to being constantly them v us.

I mean it seems just as mean to make it a scum win, when scum are just randomly chosen each day.

[JasonWazza]

I actually think it's more that something we do each morning decides who is the Scum team for the next day.

Meaning that if we were to avoid said action, there may end up being 0 scum, and we all win together potentially (as no more threats exist).

That said this Morning mechanic is kind of hard to work off based on 1 data point.

[JasonWazza]

Point 2: the real scum can do something in the morning phase and I suspect they choose who flips, whenever there are two in the box.

Also regarding this, i'll point out that it's actually just been the earliest person put in each time.

[JasonWazza]

Also a note, i'm going to be requesting the Dead players alignments when day starts again, since i still feel a bit iffy about the answer i was given regarding that.

[JasonWazza]

Then what if no one is in the box?

[JasonWazza]

I will also note for when we reach day, that we have to be cautious our votes, because we may very much be in ELO depending on how this game ends up working out alignments and shit.

[JasonWazza]

I honestly don't know what to do anymore in this game.

[JasonWazza]

CJ is from voting though?

Best guess i have is maybe Drew stopped constantly touching the box, and only when the box is touched does something happen?

[JasonWazza]

Nah it wasn't me.

[JasonWazza]

I mean by default i think that makes it drew just by Bianco's question, it wasn't me, and i'm guessing it wasn't you imaginality.

[JasonWazza]

unless Heip opted to box himself i guess.

[JasonWazza]

I will note, if it was Ircher/Drew, then i'm guessing scum team right now is Bianco/Imaginality, since duplicates haven't been occuring, and i still didn't manage to work out the scum pattern for morning (i actually did try with what i posted, but yeah nah i haven't a fucking clue.)

[JasonWazza]

VOTE: Ircher

[JasonWazza]

It's imaginality/Jason today. They knew they could eliminate me because I decided to play to my current win con last night rather than a nebulous future win condition. Drew has been tunneled on me all game, so I'm disregarding his vote.

Bianco just admitted to being in the scum team today, you realize that yeah?