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Heya everyone!!

VOTE: meuh

@mod vla on fridays/saturdays!

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I prob know the alt acct? Dunno if you want me to say it

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K yeah that was my guess. Hi!

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how'd you choose meuh? since noone else seems to be around

It was entirely random and i didn't know she was around

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Also like given that enuf people confed in like three hours, everyone was probably around

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That's funny b/c i was abt to say i think they're townie

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That's funny b/c i was abt to say i think they're townie

Actually, thinking back now, one thing of his that stuck out to me as townie was how he said that controlling discussion would be an 85% scum and 15% town PR. I don't think that scum would feel the need to specify town PR vs. scum because that would leave some room for doubt.

UNVOTE:

t3 are u scum?

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medeia/skitter scum team oh no what will i do

heya pooky

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on second thought maybe i shouldve waited for skitter to be around to start calling her mafia so i could get some real time reaction data instead of giving her so much advance warning :3

indeed

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distancing? like a "oh these two cant be partnered if they are meeting for the first time in the thread" kind of deal

i just

i dunno

find it kinda hard to believe that you believe this?

like skitter and i are obviously familiar with eachother and i don't think you would think we'd go into a game as scum together and play up our 'discovering' that familiarity

but it's not like you're the only one saying my early interactions were awkward, so!

this feels like something he's just saying to see how me/you will react to it, not something he actually believes

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I'm just spitballing something new.

Full disclosure I'm an alt of an old player.

have i played with you?

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lol wut

VOTE: t3

ooooh good vote, i approve

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medea town
kd probably town not sure
random nurse is mabye town but not sure yet either

t3 is scummy
i like that pooky voted there but i probably need to bicker with him before calling him town

my vote is on t3 in spirit; i'm wary of e1 at this stage in the game, etc etc etc

null on everyone else

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VOTE: Medeia

nah.

yeaaaaahhhh...... medeia iso isn't good.

Whole thing reads like they squeezin blood from a stone. im with T3 here. lemme check VC real quick

well i dont like meta as a way to clear or condemn anyway. each game is its own thing. no one actually acts the same way, even with the same role over multiple games, twice.

3 posts thoo? over that? seriously? in the course of 5 minutes?

thats panic in my eye.

Gents Gals and whatever else, i may have something here.

this is kinda her vibe; i don't 'think she's panicking
can you elaborate a bit more on the 'squeezing blood from a stone' and what you think she's panicking abt please?

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dunno but i thought the initial kcdaspot vote was icky

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i think she just talks a lot like that tho - why is this scummy for her?

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skitter not suspecting me is kinda sus ngl ^^

i mean what should i be suspecting thus far

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I'm open to pressuring Pooky but I'm also open to pressuring Medeia for now.

VOTE: Medeia

i think ur both town

pedit indeed

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i'd put more money on medea being town than u rn tho

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she feels v earnest and playing entirely within her worldview which i believe she believes
she isn't not voting to pooky to stir up trouble or to hold you at arms length

she isn't voting pooky b/c she doesn't believe in voting people she doesn't want to imminently vote out, and pooky has not yet reached that stage

i'm getting a lot of earnestness in her posts + attempting to sort
don't see a reason to sr her rn

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which really i would rather we didn't here

Ya

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There's no real excuse to refuse pressure voting anyone, especially Day 1.

Pressure voting, like interacting, is how you get valuable content.

this isn't her way of playing tho; she doesn't feel she gets valuable content voting people this way
i'm still a little confused why you find this scummy

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skitter not suspecting me is kinda sus ngl ^^

i mean what should i be suspecting thus far

i dunno but you always find something when we're both town! :3

maybe you're scum this time >.>

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VOTE: random nurse i actually kinda like that tmi theory now that i think about it

booooo

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VOTE: t3

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i know i'm town so this won't work on me
we appear to be at an impasse >.>

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whatever isn't working on you

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which tell

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Ping

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So medeia is obvtown
That's easy enuf

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Also i lowkey sr meuh

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dunno but i thought the initial kcdaspot vote was icky

In what way?

B/c i thought his posting thru there was townie

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VOTE: meuh

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Who said anything abt townreading the majority of players

Me - shining beacon of towniness, towniest town to ever town, etc
Medeia - so blindingly town it's painful that not everyone sees this. She's obv trying to solve the game
Random nurse - aggression is townie, the argument with medeia is townie
Kcdaspot - the ongoing interaction with medeia is townie

Pooky - dunno

Cj - null

Meuh - nullscum, don't like the lurking

Chicago - nullscum, don't like the lurking, there's a lot of iioa in your few posts

T3 - icky Kcdaspot vote, content is bland and not really related to the goings on of the game. Not active, isnt solving. Scummy

And also
VOTE: ct

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Don't like the medeia trajectory either

Was that ur main takeaway from this post?

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I have no idea abt anything in angels and demons

Can you elaborate on what you're thinking wrt her slot then? I don't really know ehat you were finding scummy

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Do either of those things make me scum?

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Ok
Ur initial paragraph seems to be descriving more of a sr

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Although I would caution Skitter that someone with 20 years of playing Mafia would know exactly how to appear as the towniest Town to ever town. What I'm saying is don't develop a blind spot.

You mean pooky?

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I am v firmly null on him

Although @ pooky i dislike your random nurse thing fwiw

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Although I would caution Skitter that someone with 20 years of playing Mafia would know exactly how to appear as the towniest Town to ever town. What I'm saying is don't develop a blind spot.

im a nub and completely harmless

With respect I doubt that.

I doubt that too!!!

Pedit don't worry, i know!

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Although @ pooky i dislike your random nurse thing fwiw

You have that strong of a tr on Random Nurse?

Kinda
+ i think pooky should be seeing what i'm seeing

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What's scummy abt him again

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It's def performative but i think he believes it
I think he thinks that medea could be scum with you from the fact that she's refusing to vote you

Which is like probably wrong but i think it makes sense with how he's approaching the game

I think he's trying to solve; he's putting pressure on chicago, indicating he doesnt want a fast flip on t3, etc

Idk i altogether think he's bombastic and town. Not really seeing scum (maybe anti-town tho)

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There's like multiple telling you that tho

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Idk could be wrong
Not voting there rn

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Y this be dead

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I feel like t3 is scummy

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No? Who do you think we have to vote out t3?

Pedit @chicago

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T3 are you willing to vote chicago or meuh
Meuh are you willing to vote t3 or chicago
Chicago are you willing to vote meuh or t3?

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Oh meuh you're already on chicago
Chicago can u vote t3 ?

Pedit lol

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Idk what ur trying to say

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Wdym by 'cats paw'

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T3 wdyt abt the votes on you

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Probably in t3/meuh/chicago

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skitter who do you wanna kill again i forgot my memory is bad

Hbu

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Ahhhhhhhhhhhh

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Kcdaspot town
Random nurse probably is too

I like playing with you!
But i'm not confident enuf here to lead

My best bet rn is flipping thru t3/chicago/meuh but idk if that wins

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:)

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Well i'm voting for u

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Wdym by 'cats paw'

Acting under orders, basically.

A cat's paw is slang for someone being used by another to do something unsavory or dangerous, etc. Kinda like getting someone disposable to do your dirty work for you.

yeah it was a weird phrase

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Wouls help if t3 reacted to his wagon but alas

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That he hasnt responded to his wagon?

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i cant believe skitter thinks random nurse is town when his vote has been planted on medeia for an entire week and his reasoning for wanting to vote out medeia is because she's not playing the game correctly its absolutely wild but I guess im ok with it

I kinda want to hear what random nurse comes back with
And t3

Yeah idk why this is dead

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Indeed

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Have a great weekend over there

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Why is Joker Dude massively scummy again. I just don't see it

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Yeah t3 should claim

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I'm getting cold feet tho

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?

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Everything is too quiescent rn

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It feels too easy

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Dunno who do u want to flip instead

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I would probably go to meuh or chicago
And yeah it isnt abt t3 himself more abt how like easy this is with no counterwagon

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That's funny i was just maybe questioning if i townread him

Meuh who should we flip today

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Yeah that's a fair point
He doesnt seem like frustrated beyond the point that he can fake honestly

I'm really puzzling at his random nurse read, the slot feels townie to me tho

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Yeah

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Honestly how is that different than you, chicago, t3 - like i wouod put all 4 slots in a similar bucket, why are you calling out cj particularly

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Wouod u vote chicago? I don't think i would vote cj tbh

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Why isn't Random Nurse an alt wagon, again?

Probably town

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Well that + i'm townreading the slot

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quiescent

is this even a real word

yes
it is a good word indeed

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pooky
Wdyt abt wagoning meuh or chicago

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ok
VOTE: meuh

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i think he's scum here tbh

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(i've only been vote parking for like a week)
VOTE: ct

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Yeah meuh's acquiescence makes me a little concerned tbh

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Hmmmm indeed

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Ok u get a night
VOTE: meuh

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X-power means x-shot?

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Ok let's do meuh then

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If ur a pr ur pr-game looks mightily like your scumgame

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I can see him laying low if he's a pr
I'm not sure how much he's taking from the malakittens tomorrow

If his actions tomorrow seem fake we can always flip him then
And maybe he gets nk'd

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*malakittens tbh

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Yes and you've seen some so ...

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my memory is terrible remind me of where

Idk offhand but i've absolutely seen x-shot in a micro

Where would he have even gotten the idea to fake-claim x-shot

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viewtopic.php?t=90886

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Pooky r u scum

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Why would u be dying tonight

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Oh, you're scumreading me now?

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I mean sure
I'm confused why you think you're dying tonight then

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You're not nearly that townie rn this game unfortunately

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Heya sheep
U be scum?

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What does that even mean

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Why ....
Why are u so scummy ... >.>

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Ok but shouldnt you be revising that analysis given that we're close to end of day?

If t3 isnt a viable wagon anymore than this is just functionally abstaining

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Abstaining is not great, and we might need ur vote to make the lim happen

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You don't even tr her tho

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You catching up?

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Any thoughts on anything that has happened thus far?

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Ehhhhhhh i'm cool with voting out meuh
But i can see myself voting ct here again too

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I was in his scumgame and he feels kinda similar here tbh
I don't see why 333 is egregious, feels like an easy post

Pedit heya

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on balance i err towards meuh b/c of the pr claim tbh

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Wow that's more than i would have guessed, i thought like 10

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Ahhhhhhhh maybe meuh is town here
I have a really hard time limming day1 pr claims >.>

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Ok i think that's hammer
I'm not sure meuh is flipping scum, i would concentrate on ct and pooky tom

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Nobody is deaded?

Chicago u need to claim your action

VOTE: pooky

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Ok interesting, thanks
I think chicago is town

Pooky why do u think i'm voting u

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I dislike:
- you acting like you're townie rn when we both know you're not
- the shade on chicago's claim
- being v chill with either meuh or ct
- not really solving

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well

i'm townie cuz i'm town
i didn't believe chicago's claim
I'm chill cuz I enjoy not caring too much - also like you were suspicious of them too so its not like it's unreasonable to be susp of them
I think I've solved a fair bit - just not a lot to work with this game when people are just not playing?

Well, whwre do u think you were solving ...

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Is checker one of these new-fangled normal roles? What's a checker

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I'm fine with massclaiming, i don't mind starting

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K
Yeah rt do u have any explanation?

If anyone has any explanation r.e. the night kill not happening or medeia's result failing, now would be the time to share

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Vt

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well

i'm townie cuz i'm town
i didn't believe chicago's claim
I'm chill cuz I enjoy not caring too much - also like you were suspicious of them too so its not like it's unreasonable to be susp of them
I think I've solved a fair bit - just not a lot to work with this game when people are just not playing?

Well, whwre do u think you were solving ...

if random nurse is a scum ascetic you are never living this down hehe

Fair enuf

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Honestly i forgot abt that, and i wanted to make sure i knew what it did

And yeah scum-ascetic makes a lot of sense here, i was thinking tjay too

Pedit :) not right on me at least

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I tries to expunge that from my memory, it was v Not Fun by the time we got to that point

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Eh fair enuf, i could have been wrong :shrug:
Was ultimately right on ct it's looking right

If it is rt i don't think ur the partner

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*looking like

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ugh

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Hey, so, I jailed Medeia Night 1.

I'm Town Jailkeeper.

Only mentioning this due to Pooky's Bulletproof claim.

whyyyyy would you be on medeia
who do u think is scum rn

ugh ugh ugh

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Is
Jk
Checker
Bulletproof

Roleblocker
Ascetic

Balanced?
Plz someone who is good at this help me

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Tbh id pooky is scum i probably believe all 3, with scum trying to kill medeia and rn blocking it

Pooly scum didnf make sense with the nk missing because of the bulletproof b/c pooky doesn't kill chicago there, and i couldn't wrap my mind around how to make those two thinga work together

Yes i'm predicating this off of pooky scum

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If pooky town this is a lot more messy, random nurae probably scum fake-claiming to explain medeia's result and they shot chicago

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Because I felt either she's the Towniest Town and I needed to protect her OR she's very good Scum looking like the Towniest Town and dishing out death with delight.

if you are indeed town here then it seems somewhat possible to me that you did successfully protect me

like assume town!random nurse options would then be:

chicagotypewriter is also town and was targeted with the nightkill -> possible due to pr claim and such but setup seems maybe unlikely

or

chicagotypewriter is also town but i was targeted with the nightkill and saved by the jailkeep and chicagotypewriter simply assumed it was him -> which would be logical behaviour from chicagotypewriter in that situation i think just don't know how likely that setup would be

or

chicagotypewriter is not town and chose not to kill in order to make more believable bulletproof claim -> thought this was kinda unlikely even before there was another possible explanation for the missing nightkill; like in theory there'd be a lot of mafia benefit to this - believable claim, 2-shot so it explains continued presence later in the game even though he'd be 'confirmed' - but skipping the nightkill would be a big tradeoff for this and in practice i don't know how likely mafia are to do this

or

chicagotypewriter is not town and attempted to kill me and i was saved by the jailkeep and chicagotypewriter took this opportunity to claim bulletproof -> which would be pretty quick thinking i think but the missing nightkill would certainly be on the scums minds and this does not seem impossible or even super unlikely to me, and has added benefit of probably uncovering how the nightkill was actually prevented

Option 3 is unlikely imo
Option 4 probably too but leas likely than 3

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Idk i'm bad at setups

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What i recall from rc's mod meta is that:
- i think he's into false positives/elegance
- he really, really hates protective roles and scum having no way to guarantee a kill

Now that i remember that
Hmmmmm

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Yeah actualyly he hates chaines protectives
Like doc + jk

I think bp + jk
Ans giving scum strongman

Makes a lot of sense (and i think it's a setup rc would do)
And if the other is ascetic
It would work with you

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The possibility has been raised that Random Nurse is a Mafia Roleblocker instead of Town Jailkeeper, right?

Why would a mafia roleblocker be on medeia instead of you (the claimed x-shot pr role)

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Cj can u claim plz
Also that wasnt my question

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I really don't think that's the world we live in

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Ugh my gut is still to flip pooky here

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Yes ofc

Idk u really make sense to me here

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I think chicago is town
Mediea is town

Idk abt random nurse but idk if we flip them either

Cj maybe town
Dont have reads on t3 or sheep

Pooky probably scum

This is where i'm at

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prevents a nightkill tonight then it confirms random nurse

mm, actually could still do the no nightkill thing towards this end i guess, sigh

nevermind

How do u feel abt voting pooky

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I probably don't vote in the prs today

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It's a soft guilty and i'm not sure i believe it's actually a guilty

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It's a soft guilty and i'm not sure i believe it's actually a guilty

Skitter, does he mean me?

Yes

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im not gonna waste time convincing people a guilty is a guilty

Convince me if you want to lim him

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but i guess people believe anything nowadays so whatever

ok like what am i missing

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VOTE: chicago

medeia is always town
between chicago/nurse i'm leaning more towards believing chicago
if i vote either it's probably nurse but i don't really want to

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aesthetic

ascetic

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false positives in micros are really really bad because there is no room to really correct for them.

i don't feel like this is a given ?

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also we could just no lim here if we want to get fancy and see who dies with the JK leashed to the Checker

mediea is odd-night
but tbh i don't hate it

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like if you crafted a fakeclaim in order to make everything make sense would you then keep saying 'oh scum!me would have claimed vt' (even though it doesn't make any sense) and 'so what is a checker anyway' and 'what guilty what's pooky talking about'? ya know

it's just so off that i don't see it coming from scum
for exactly the reason you described

he crafted the perfect fake-claim to explain away ur result but then says if he were scum he'd claim vt, it doesn't add up and doesn't make sense coming from scum

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and the scum would only be able to shoot in one of the VT claims and that narrows the field for us.

if the scum shoot RN and he's town obviously that also helps us more than if we were to eliminate him here

like i said i don't hate this

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b/c he's only playing half-dumb in a way that doesn't make sense coherently

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so in trying to behave in a way that comes from town
he makes up a fake-claim that makes sense
and then ruins it by saying he'd have claimed vt if scum?

that doesn't make sense to me

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I thought jk protected with >1 scum alive
And blocked with just 1

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I meant i thought that was consensus optimal play

Like what should jk!random nurse do instead

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and the scum would only be able to shoot in one of the VT claims and that narrows the field for us.

if the scum shoot RN and he's town obviously that also helps us more than if we were to eliminate him here

like i said i don't hate this

feel like the most likely outcome would be you being nightkilled

which if that is why you don't hate this fair enough

Oh yeah good point, i hadnt thought that far

Pooky >.>
I was wondering why you would suggest this ...

I have to catch up on the recent posts at some point

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Very

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Okay, so I think I haven't been keeping up - I know there's a thought that the town JK should have JK'd me last night which would be pretty good play; but there are equally valid play options, right?

scum jk would be on you
town jk would be on anyone that isn't you

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Did you claim Checker before or after I claimed Jailkeeper?

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before

...

Hm. The post #s check out.

However, Mafia Checkers are possible.

Meaning, you being Scum is still possible.

ok this is actually getting a little silly
how woudl she have known to claim checker on you before you claimed jk on her if she was mafia who got jk'd

who do you want to flip today

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that post makes impressively little sense to me

yes and it's side-stepping the key issue here

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ahhhhhhhh

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yes ...
you (and he) have worn me down

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i dont' think it's ct
i don't think it's medeia

if this is the setup i guess it's rn
but i'm not really convinced this isn't a valid setup tbh

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Medeia's town tho

--
Ct - town jk never goes on an a claimed x-shot pr b/c then they're just roleblocking the pr shots

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She's like >95% town via reads, which i trust more than mechanics

Why are u trying to convince me she's scum

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I'll stop myself from repeating after this last time that this posting is like blaringly Town Random Nurse to me if I have any idea how to read him lol

Ok can you give me the tldr

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Nobody's saying she's mod-confirmed town so i'm a little confused abt this push tbh

Medeia is not town mechanically
Sure there's room for her to be scum mechanically

But i'm p confident she's town on play so i don't really care abt the mechanics

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vla friday

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I have returned
Hi brass

If i agree to flipping rn today and he's town do I get to flip pooky tomorrow

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I don't want to flip thru all of our prs rn, let them get resolved by dying like they're supposed to ...

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Eh fair

I don't like rhat he vanished but claiming 2shot bp seems weird to me as scum, like why does he do that there
(Does he even think to do that there)

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I'm not personally convinced that this setup is impossible but since like 6 different people are telling me that i will accept it

If there has to be scum on the prs it's probably random nurse

If he's town i want to flip pooky (tbh i really jizt want to flip like pooky/t3 rn)

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Yes but what if they're all town tho

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If i flip random nurse and he's town i'm kinda wary that we're just going to flip thru chicago/medeia and i think they're both town

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And then we lose

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I mean sure but i don't want to lose when my reads are right
I don't like the trajectory where this is going

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Like i can compromise on random nurse but i don't want to flip chicago or medeia tomorrow if he's town

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So why don't we lim someone else today ...

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Ugh maybe we should just do it i don't know if he dies at night

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Yeah that'a basically where i'm at

Pooky feels very very very complacent, especially eod yesterday, especially in the worlds where all the prs are town - he's basically relying on the setup to do his scumhunting, and isnt really thinking abt people's play or alignment

This is a v easy and comfortable approach for him, he isnt trying to solve the game like at all

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Does it make sense to leash rn to one of {me/medeia} picked at random

Medeia is odd-night so that should be fine
And should incentivize scum to kill rn if town??

But then i guess scum can just no kill and we end up here tomorrow (or shoot chicago)

Ugh

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If everyone wants to kill rn it should indeed be today

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Fine but i'm not Happy abt it

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@vizzy can we get a vc plz?

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Yeah
Fine let's do it but i want to flip pooky tomorrow

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VOTE: rn

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VOTE: rn

VOTE: rn

meh

Isnt this what u wantes lol

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Sigh
I thought it was a bad idea ...
Sorry ....

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Can we plz flip pooky tomorrow ... ?

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In case i die: i strongly, stronglu belive both other pr claims are town and that we absolutelu should not flip thru them

Pooky is scum here like >90% of the time
Partner is like t3 or brass

Brass's hammer is icky

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Like if i die imagine i'm shouting that tomorrow ^

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I spent like the past entire two days defending you, but ok

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Yes upon it being pointed out that you were always going to get flipped here anyways ...

I'm sorry for getting it wrong and that it upset you but it doesnt make me scum

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it's elo but imagine i'm voting pooky

[skitter30]

skitter why do i shoot sheep dude instead of you

i've no idea and tbh i don't care, you're scum on play