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Post Post #7 (isolation #0) » Fri Jun 30, 2023 6:21 pm

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We should probably massclaim

Claim: Vanilla Townie
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Post Post #10 (isolation #1) » Fri Jun 30, 2023 6:51 pm

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Hmmm

My magical 3p game gut pings are telling me you're the scum
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Post Post #12 (isolation #2) » Sat Jul 01, 2023 2:06 am

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In post 9, biancospino wrote:
Claim: Goon
I think the idea behind this was to explicitly claim a scum role that isn't the scum role in this game to make us think he doesn't have the scum Role PM
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Post Post #14 (isolation #3) » Sat Jul 01, 2023 3:02 am

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That is correct. I realised it pretty quickly after that post. But I wanted Drew to come on and post something before getting into it.
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Post Post #15 (isolation #4) » Sat Jul 01, 2023 3:03 am

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I'm assuming there was an amount of intention on your part if you think that's an obvious enough conclusion?
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Post Post #18 (isolation #5) » Sat Jul 01, 2023 5:30 am

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In post 17, biancospino wrote: The reasoning you did offer is quite linear. As long as you start assuming that did likely come from scum, even if it was actually on gut which I don't believe, surely it wouldn't take any effort at all to notice how it contradicts the setup and to produce a reasonable-sounding explanation for why that's scummy.

Gotta love the charged question thou. You do understand that it's not possible for me to both have held that (1) yours is an obvious conclusion, and (2) I did that with any amount of intention, right? Because, as it turns out, nobody save maybe a Jester may intend to induce the obvious conclusion that they're scum
It would take *some effort*. More effort than I devoted early this morning when I initially thought your post was scummy.

There's more to why it looks bad to me than just 'you claimed the wrong role and I think it was on purpose'. It's the delivery. The way you posted it looks fake to me. I could see myself as scum awkwardly deciding to come into the thread making that kind of post.
In post 18, Doctor Drew wrote: I really feel like Klick is reaching here.
Is reaching scummy in this gamestate?
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Post Post #20 (isolation #6) » Sat Jul 01, 2023 7:00 am

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I wanted engagement and content
I also wanted to see your choice of introduction before making it too easy for you to make a good one

I don't see a good reason for you to assume me waiting for you to arrive = 'Klick!scum thinks I'm more likely to be swayed than bianco'
I think that's an assumption you brought to the table outside of this scenario
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Post Post #21 (isolation #7) » Sat Jul 01, 2023 7:01 am

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In post 21, Klick wrote:I don't see a good reason for you to assume me waiting for you to arrive = 'Klick!scum thinks I'm more likely to be swayed than bianco'
To clarify: I don't see a reason for you to assume this over any other given reason for me waiting for you to arrive
Unless you just can't think of any other reasons I'd want that
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Post Post #23 (isolation #8) » Sat Jul 01, 2023 9:33 am

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What you choose to post is informative even if it doesn't have substance

I'm more interested in what people choose to do than I am in actively directing the gamestate
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Post Post #24 (isolation #9) » Sat Jul 01, 2023 9:35 am

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Like you have quite a bit of focus on 'what Klick is doing feels performative and like reaching'

I'll again ask if these are things you expect from scum and not town in this sort of scenario
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Post Post #26 (isolation #10) » Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:30 pm

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Why are you hedging? You can't have it both ways. You want to call things out as 'reaching' and 'performative', but you don't want to commit to actually seeing anything alignment indicative from those behaviours when pushed on them. In that case, why bring them up at all?

I didn't ask 'can it be from scum', I asked 'do you expect this from scum *and not town*'
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Post Post #30 (isolation #11) » Sat Jul 01, 2023 6:39 pm

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In post 28, Doctor Drew wrote: Well then I rephrase because in my head it was more committal.

I think you are scum.
But you have no idea what to expect from this setup? What is the baseline for that belief?
In post 29, biancospino wrote:
In post 23, Doctor Drew wrote: But it isn't like I offered any real sort of content or was making a bunch of posts, so I can't really see any reason you waited for me.

I don't get why you wouldn't have just said it when you supposedly thought of it, fills performative in a way that was directed at me.

I mean, you didn't even ask my opinion one way or another once I did post.
@Klick, you don't need explained why that is a thing that scum especially would want to do.
Scum wins by swaying the one they can't hammer to vote for the other townie. Like say, by being performative in a way directed at the swayee
And you don't need explained why town would potentially benefit from performative behaviour in a setup with inherently little info.
In post 25, Klick wrote: Like you have quite a bit of focus on 'what Klick is doing feels performative and like reaching'

I'll again ask if these are things you expect from scum and not town in this sort of scenario
And that is an impossible standard. Something must be outrageously egregious not to be reasonably expectable from town
I agree!

Which is why I'm skeptical of the claim that Drew thinks I'm scum for 'reaching' and 'being performative'.
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Post Post #31 (isolation #12) » Sat Jul 01, 2023 6:47 pm

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In post 30, Doctor Drew wrote: I don't even know how to procede vote wise.
I put some thought into this earlier

I think optimal strategy is to just have the towniest looking player not vote first

If there's a triangle of suspicion then shrug whoever feels most confident places the first vote
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Post Post #32 (isolation #13) » Sat Jul 01, 2023 6:48 pm

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In post 29, biancospino wrote:Scum wins by swaying the one they can't hammer to vote for the other townie.
I don't think I agree with this as the scum wincon
Scum have three routes to victory and you've described two of them
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Post Post #34 (isolation #14) » Sat Jul 01, 2023 8:54 pm

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I don't particularly buy that you're putting consideration towards Drew's alignment.
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Post Post #37 (isolation #15) » Mon Jul 03, 2023 11:36 am

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I find bianco's reasoning more questionable than your reasoning as coming from a town perspective

I don't really understand why you're viewing reaching and being performative as scummy. I am doing both of those things, but I'm doing them because I feel like they're an innate requirement of this setup in order to produce more tangibly readable content.
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Post Post #38 (isolation #16) » Mon Jul 03, 2023 11:39 am

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In post 14, biancospino wrote: The timing on this is all off.
I don't believe it took you 8 hours to realize this was the reason for your alledgedly
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I find this to be a poor conclusion to come to
It's really easy to come up with reasons this take isn't valid

What could I have been doing for 8 hours in the day that would have prevented me from engaging further :thonk:
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Post Post #39 (isolation #17) » Mon Jul 03, 2023 11:41 am

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In post 20, Doctor Drew wrote: But Klick, I get the feeling, especially since you said you were waiting for me to join before you said anything, that you thought it would be easier to turn me against Bianco then Bianco against me.

Bianco claiming goon, yes can be from scum Bianco, but is NAI to me.
I also think this is a fairly towny post
I don't think you're particularly considering the way scum has to play this setup in this post
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Post Post #46 (isolation #18) » Mon Jul 03, 2023 7:27 pm

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In post 41, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 39, Klick wrote:
In post 14, biancospino wrote: The timing on this is all off.
I don't believe it took you 8 hours to realize this was the reason for your alledgedly
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read in
I find this to be a poor conclusion to come to
It's really easy to come up with reasons this take isn't valid

What could I have been doing for 8 hours in the day that would have prevented me from engaging further :thonk:
Oh come one, the point wasn't that you were gone from the thread.
In post 44, biancospino wrote:
In post 39, Klick wrote:
In post 14, biancospino wrote: The timing on this is all off.
I don't believe it took you 8 hours to realize this was the reason for your alledgedly
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read in
I find this to be a poor conclusion to come to
It's really easy to come up with reasons this take isn't valid

What could I have been doing for 8 hours in the day that would have prevented me from engaging further :thonk:
You did not stop "engaging" for 8 hours, you broke the same thought into two pieces. And you admitted yourself that you did so deliberately, so I wasn't even wrong.

You don't get to play the card that I'm not allowed to infer stuff (that, remember, you ended up admitting yourself) unless I can exclude that anything else is possible. It is very easy indeed to come up with reasons why anything at all could
possibly
be explained away; again you're asking for an impossible standard.
Did I catch you for the wrong reason or something?
It wasn't a sensible inference. It's also not correct.

Here's the order of events:

1. I had a gut negative reaction to your claim.
2. I posted about it.
3. I realised what it was that was bothering me.
4. I decided to wait before following up.

And yes I am annoyed at this situation, because one of you is responding to this in an annoying way as scum, and one of you is doing it as town. It's not 'caught for the wrong reasons', it's 'incorrectly tunnelled for wrong reasons'. What you are picking up on is me truthfully arguing back against incorrect reasoning.

If I were scum in this situation, it wouldn't be particularly difficult to come up with something more persuasive than the truth. I'm arguing what I'm arguing because I'm town and it's true.
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Post Post #57 (isolation #19) » Tue Jul 04, 2023 6:37 pm

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Gg :P

I'd play another game

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