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VOTE: Kokichi Oma
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VOTE: AbnegationIn post 51, skitter30 wrote:
I actually don't like this postIn post 38, Abnegation wrote: kawaii hasn't posted at all.
@kawaii - if you're reading this, your thoughts on the game so far would be appreciated.-
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We might have got our first scum here. I mean, why would a townie talk to a player who hasn't posted yet at that stage? Why would that player be singled out for information when there is no real reason to, and it's obviously better(for town) to look into people who have posted and didn't post their thoughts?In post 38, Abnegation wrote: kawaii hasn't posted at all.
@kawaii - if you're reading this, your thoughts on the game so far would be appreciated.
This seems like a post made to replicate scumhunting, instead of a genuine town post.
I don't see anything that would make me townread Kokichi or Kawaii so I'd like those who do to explain.-
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Well if there's so little to go on why do you completely ignore the push on Abnegation?In post 84, KittyTacky wrote: Everyone coasting while mafia either takes hold of the game or coasts too to blend in is handing scum the win.
I need to see more from Kowahbunga to be able to accurately assess their posts.-
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votecountUnofficial
KittyTacky (2) - skitter30, HighPrincessErinys,
Kokichi Oma (2) - Abnegation, KawaiiKame,
Not voting (1) - Kokichi Oma
Abnegation (1) - Kowahbunga, Not Known 15,
Kowahbunga (1) - Arko,
Arko (1) - KittyTacky,
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Not Known 15 (0) -
HighPrincessErinys (0) -
KawaiiKame (0) -
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KittyTacky (2) - skitter30, HighPrincessErinys,
Kokichi Oma (2) - Abnegation, KawaiiKame,
Abnegation (2) - Kowahbunga, Not Known 15,
Not voting (1) - Kokichi Oma
Kowahbunga (1) - Arko,
Arko (1) - KittyTacky,
skitter30 (0) -
Not Known 15 (0) -
HighPrincessErinys (0) -
KawaiiKame (0) -
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With 9 players alive, it takes 5 to reach a majority.
Previous unofficial count had an error.-
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I currently have two scumreads. Abnegation and Kowahbunga.-
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This is a bit weird...In post 31, Kowahbunga wrote: Well lets talk about it then. Who is scummier? Me for casting a 2nd vote during RVS or Kitty for thinking it is scummy? Lets get some opinions and conversation going.-
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Doesn't look like real scumhunting here, more like attempts to make scumminess out of air.In post 100, Kowahbunga wrote:In post 44, KawaiiKame wrote:
Idk if anyone had a bad openingIn post 43, Kokichi Oma wrote:
Whose opening do you think was the worst so far and whyIn post 42, KawaiiKame wrote:
You can talk to meIn post 40, Kokichi Oma wrote: Usually I talk a lot but I feel like I'll be just talking to myself.
VOTE: KokichiIn post 47, KawaiiKame wrote:
I don'tIn post 45, Abnegation wrote:
since you’re asking this, do you think anyone’s opening was scummy?In post 43, Kokichi Oma wrote:
Whose opening do you think was the worst so far and whyIn post 42, KawaiiKame wrote:
You can talk to meIn post 40, Kokichi Oma wrote: Usually I talk a lot but I feel like I'll be just talking to myself.
VOTE: Kokichi
Here are three examples of casting a wide net. You seem more like you're wanting to please the playerbase rather than ruffle any feathers.In post 96, KawaiiKame wrote:
Town exists among:In post 81, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
On that note, this one would like to ask everyone who their current top town and scum reads are.In post 80, KittyTacky wrote: Leaving aside the fact that it's a random number generator and I did it as a joke, I think checking a moderate townread is good.
HPE
NK15/Skitter
Kitty
Even your most recent post literally means nothing because as long as you listed 3 or more people, your statement was always going to be true.
VOTE: kawaii-
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Hm.
VOTE: Kowahbunga
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Why do you dislike that speed? Why do you think it is too fast in this situation?In post 155, skitter30 wrote: I don't like the speed of the kowah wagon in this lethargic game, and i'm sus of quite a few votes on it
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And why.In post 156, Not Known 15 wrote:
Why do you dislike that speed? Why do you think it is too fast in this situation?In post 155, skitter30 wrote: I don't like the speed of the kowah wagon in this lethargic game, and i'm sus of quite a few votes on it
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Why? What are your counterarguments?In post 158, Kokichi Oma wrote: Why are people voting kowah? I think their posts are fine.
VOTE: kawaii
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Why do you think that the arguments against kowah are wrong?In post 161, Kokichi Oma wrote:
That I think there is nothing scummy about their posts at all so far. and because his reads feel fake is why I think kawaii is prob scum right nowIn post 159, Not Known 15 wrote:
Why? What are your counterarguments?In post 158, Kokichi Oma wrote: Why are people voting kowah? I think their posts are fine.
VOTE: kawaii
Why do you think kawaii is scum?
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ok then we can ignore that.In post 163, Kokichi Oma wrote: Just a feeling, just like I'm feeling your questioning feels off for some reasoning-
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Of course I did, the game was stagnant.In post 182, skitter30 wrote:
I feel like for both of u you're trying to hard to find reasons to vote them, and particularly for yours i don't think you had enuf justification for e2In post 157, Not Known 15 wrote:
And why.In post 156, Not Known 15 wrote:
Why do you dislike that speed? Why do you think it is too fast in this situation?In post 155, skitter30 wrote: I don't like the speed of the kowah wagon in this lethargic game, and i'm sus of quite a few votes on it
And which votes look sus to you?
Yep Abnegation's vote, that's fine. It doesn't look great but it could easily be a bus vote.In post 181, skitter30 wrote:
There's like six pages of content and someone's at e1and idon't their actual content is scummyIn post 156, Not Known 15 wrote:
Why do you dislike that speed? Why do you think it is too fast in this situation?In post 155, skitter30 wrote: I don't like the speed of the kowah wagon in this lethargic game, and i'm sus of quite a few votes on it
And which votes look sus to you?
And abnegation's and yours
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You talked about Kowah being scummy but never voted Kowah. Why?
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Where are these Kowah and Abnegation townreads coming from?In post 219, furtiveglance wrote:
Let me shed some light on things.In post 215, SirCakez wrote:
As we can see, the paint-by-numbers leaves 4 suspects: NK15, Kokichi, Kawaii and HPE.
Kokichi and Kawaii aren't scum together.
The other opener I was gonna go with was 'It's time to rhyme', so I'll bung that in this post as well.
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Town tend to not discuss their own scumminess because they usually don't acknowledge it.In post 31, Kowahbunga wrote: Well lets talk about it then. Who is scummier? Me for casting a 2nd vote during RVS or Kitty for thinking it is scummy? Lets get some opinions and conversation going.
+scum
The second part is fine, the first part is throwing shade for not doing something that wasn't expected.In post 49, Kowahbunga wrote:
Doesn't necessarily mean someone had to have a bad opening to answer this. Who do you think had the best opening so far?In post 44, KawaiiKame wrote:
Idk if anyone had a bad openingIn post 43, Kokichi Oma wrote:
Whose opening do you think was the worst so far and whyIn post 42, KawaiiKame wrote:
You can talk to meIn post 40, Kokichi Oma wrote: Usually I talk a lot but I feel like I'll be just talking to myself.
VOTE: Kokichi
Trying to push for nothing here. It is strangely worded, but in a way that would normally result in questions, not this shade.In post 97, Kowahbunga wrote:
Of course it does. You've just listed more players than what could make up a scum team in this game.In post 96, KawaiiKame wrote:
Town exists among:In post 81, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
On that note, this one would like to ask everyone who their current top town and scum reads are.In post 80, KittyTacky wrote: Leaving aside the fact that it's a random number generator and I did it as a joke, I think checking a moderate townread is good.
HPE
NK15/Skitter
Kitty
and now all together here mashed up; this is literally made out of air. A push for the sake of a push instead of some real thought process behind it.In post 100, Kowahbunga wrote:In post 44, KawaiiKame wrote:
Idk if anyone had a bad openingIn post 43, Kokichi Oma wrote:
Whose opening do you think was the worst so far and whyIn post 42, KawaiiKame wrote:
You can talk to meIn post 40, Kokichi Oma wrote: Usually I talk a lot but I feel like I'll be just talking to myself.
VOTE: KokichiIn post 47, KawaiiKame wrote:
I don'tIn post 45, Abnegation wrote:
since you’re asking this, do you think anyone’s opening was scummy?In post 43, Kokichi Oma wrote:
Whose opening do you think was the worst so far and whyIn post 42, KawaiiKame wrote:
You can talk to meIn post 40, Kokichi Oma wrote: Usually I talk a lot but I feel like I'll be just talking to myself.
VOTE: Kokichi
Here are three examples of casting a wide net. You seem more like you're wanting to please the playerbase rather than ruffle any feathers.In post 96, KawaiiKame wrote:
Town exists among:In post 81, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
On that note, this one would like to ask everyone who their current top town and scum reads are.In post 80, KittyTacky wrote: Leaving aside the fact that it's a random number generator and I did it as a joke, I think checking a moderate townread is good.
HPE
NK15/Skitter
Kitty
Even your most recent post literally means nothing because as long as you listed 3 or more people, your statement was always going to be true.
VOTE: kawaii
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Why are you throwing this shade on the answer? The answer is perfectly fine. If you don't think that anyone had a bad opening then there is no single worst opening... just a bunch of NAI openings that make up the bulk of openings anyways.In post 49, Kowahbunga wrote:
Doesn't necessarily mean someone had to have a bad opening to answer this. Who do you think had the best opening so far?In post 44, KawaiiKame wrote:
Idk if anyone had a bad openingIn post 43, Kokichi Oma wrote:
Whose opening do you think was the worst so far and whyIn post 42, KawaiiKame wrote:
You can talk to meIn post 40, Kokichi Oma wrote: Usually I talk a lot but I feel like I'll be just talking to myself.
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We lost two innos:(-
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A mafia rolecop and a town follower flipped. We either have a tracker or a jailkeeper. This means we should claim targets for last night because the real target would be an inno. Does anyone disagree?-
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I don't, but we still should claim our potential visits to avoid robbing ourselves of a confirmed townie.In post 326, Abnegation wrote: if y'all want to do the plan in 320 before we yeet anyone, we can, but does anyone object to that vote?-
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Kokichi first, then popcorn?In post 328, Abnegation wrote: is there an order you want to do it in?-
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The other important role is either a tracker or a jailkeeper. Both produce innos... and to not lose the inno or the PR's anonymity everyone claims one person they have a inno on... but of course only one claim will be true... the deception will be cleared up tomorrow either way(unless we lim scum ofc).In post 336, Kokichi Oma wrote: I don't think it's wise to claim. we might have another important role. i think we are ahead and should wait till tomorrow-
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Targeting claims
(Whom you have an innocent result on if you are the other PR)
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Why do you think it's HPE or skitter?In post 366, Kokichi Oma wrote:
I think it's skitter or you and I was going to visit skitter tonight so I'm voting them nowIn post 356, HighPrincessErinys wrote:Would you like to contribute your thoughts on the matter before laying down a naked vote?
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skitter it's your turnIn post 365, Not Known 15 wrote: Targeting claims
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Next claim: KawaiiKame; please popcorn to another person.-
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You were, but we needed to speed things up so I claimed next and went to kawaii.In post 383, skitter30 wrote: Yeah, that's what i was saying before - it's a v weird kill
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I suspect it is kawaii.
kawaii only voted kowah in bus conditions and furtive was suspicious of kawaii... and was promptly nightkilled!-
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VOTE: kawaii
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Good points. It's probably not kawaii, then. Good.-
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You can see that, yeah? Kawaii had more reasons to bus than me. And I actually do agree that you're right and it is probably not Kawaii.In post 396, Kokichi Oma wrote: I could actually see that-
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Yeah. So what?In post 401, Kokichi Oma wrote:
A bit defensive aren't we?In post 397, Not Known 15 wrote:
You can see that, yeah? Kawaii had more reasons to bus than me. And I actually do agree that you're right and it is probably not Kawaii.In post 396, Kokichi Oma wrote: I could actually see that-
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Kawaii you select the next.In post 380, Not Known 15 wrote: Targeting claims
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skitter30 - HighPrincessErinys
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The lim target here is pretty obvious.In post 420, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
These are our final visit claims then. That's two VTs unaccounted for, and a PoE lying in our 4 claims. This one is pretty sure that's a PR, two VTs and our last Mafia in them.Not Known 15 wrote: Targeting claims
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skitter30 - HighPrincessErinys
Abnegation -KittyTacky
Not Known 15 - Abnegation
HighPrincessErinys -VT
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KawaiiKame - Vanilla Townie
Kokichi Oma - furtiveglance
VOTE: Kokichi Oma
Voting out skitter or you makes no sense, voting out me, Abnegation, skitter or you makes no sense, nor does voting out Kitty. Then it's between kawaii and Kokichi, and kawaii is much more likely town(as we have discussed earlier) than Kokichi whose actions on day 1 are entirely consistent with being the scumpartner.-
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If kawaii and kokichi were of equal scumminess we'd lim kawaii but they are not. Everyone else is covered.In post 425, skitter30 wrote:
Or this oneIn post 421, Not Known 15 wrote:
The lim target here is pretty obvious.In post 420, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
These are our final visit claims then. That's two VTs unaccounted for, and a PoE lying in our 4 claims. This one is pretty sure that's a PR, two VTs and our last Mafia in them.Not Known 15 wrote: Targeting claims
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skitter30 - HighPrincessErinys
Abnegation -KittyTacky
Not Known 15 - Abnegation
HighPrincessErinys -VT
KittyTacky -VT
KawaiiKame - Vanilla Townie
Kokichi Oma - furtiveglance
VOTE: Kokichi Oma
Voting out skitter or you makes no sense, voting out me, Abnegation, skitter or you makes no sense, nor does voting out Kitty. Then it's between kawaii and Kokichi, and kawaii is much more likely town(as we have discussed earlier) than Kokichi whose actions on day 1 are entirely consistent with being the scumpartner.-
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Kokichi only covers himself which makes him the second best target for the lim, mechanically.-
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In post 390, Kokichi Oma wrote: I also think it's not kawaii. He put him on E-1 without asking for him to claim. He was ok with someone just hammering if Ab didn't ask the question on whether there should be a claim or not.
This looks inconsistent.In post 431, Kokichi Oma wrote: Honestly odds are final scum bussed since it seemed Kowah was getting voted out-
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Ok, so who's it then if it isn't me?In post 433, Kokichi Oma wrote: Yes, his way of voting I don't think was scummy because of what I said already. Pretty clear. i think you're trying to make it look scummy when it's right-
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No, you have not. skitter didn't vote Kowah.In post 436, Kokichi Oma wrote:
I've already answered this. It looks to me like you're asking questions to make it seem like you're scumhunting and it's just questions to answers that are already thereIn post 434, Not Known 15 wrote:
Ok, so who's it then if it isn't me?In post 433, Kokichi Oma wrote: Yes, his way of voting I don't think was scummy because of what I said already. Pretty clear. i think you're trying to make it look scummy when it's right-
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I tracked you last night. But we still need to talk about HPE...In post 444, Abnegation wrote: i agree, that's why i think pr claiming would be helpful here.
Why do you think HPE is not scum?
Also, UNVOTE: for discussion.-
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And I am still not 100% town on kawaii.-
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That didn't work out so well, thanks to all these VT claims. Please give the game a bit more attention right now.-
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And yes, I am the tracker so unvote.-
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Which leaves kawaii. Is kawaii really 100% town? Is that behaviour really inconsistent with a bus?-
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I think Kitty can be town so there's that.-
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It's most likely skitter/kokichi but we need to be sure about the 3rd.-
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If it's between kitty and kawaii lim kawaii, not kitty. Kitty is far more likely not kowahs partner than kawaii. Kitty has a consistent track record of pushing kowah, kawaii... not so consistent.In post 460, HighPrincessErinys wrote: But seriously if that was ACTUALLY a bus between Kawaii/Kowah, Kawaii can throw me for as many loops as he likes, for real.-
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skitter, you are at E-1. What are your reads?-
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I am confirmed town.In post 464, HighPrincessErinys wrote: This feels like a solved game unless something wacky and uncharacteristic happens. We kill 1 PR claim, and if NK15 dies tonight we kill the last one. If NK15 doesn't, that's a Tracker we have and then we just kill Koki anyway. And if for some reason it all goes to shit, we should be able to kill NK15 still in like, final 3. Scum HAS to be within NK15/skitter/Koki, this one is certain of it.-
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This is a semi open setup with two town prs and one scum pr. The scum pr and one town pr have flipped.In post 468, HighPrincessErinys wrote: You don't FEEL truly confirmed. Either way you're low on my elim list as stated.
There is one scum remaining. No one counterclaimed me. I am the other town PR. That's mechanics.-
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Please unvote. I want to see skitter reply.-
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Soo... who is in the POE?
I'm revisiting...
- confirmed town.
Abnegation, Not Known 15
HighPrincessErinys- Their posting is consistent with someone who thought kowah could be a PR if not scum; reasonable efforts to keep game alive, and probably confusion about the setup... not really hard town tho.
KittyTacky- Could be scum... if it's really an attempt at a consistent planned Day 1 bus. Really dangerous with all that info town gains from a Day 1 lim on scum, though. If they are scum and would have targeted HPE then it would be legit game over today. But that's unlikely and their ISO more looks like town who found scum and didn't see anything further down the line that would make them consider otherwise.
Kokichi Oma- ISO is entirely consistent with being Mafia, and kowah's partner. A push on me is also great from their scum POV, all of that checks out.
- That's practically the same as above! Maybe a bit more likely to be scum.
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KawaiiKame- Their ISO is mostly consistent with being kowah's partner, only kowah when the lim looked inevitable, and having kowah on the reads list but never voting them before it became obvious that kowah would be the lim. Yes, it is more dangerous to put kowah in your list like this if you are scum this game, but with a certain scum mindset and/or a bungled understanding of the setup(from both kowah and kawaii, far from unlikely), so this can be scum nontheless.
This could be the result of kawaii realizing that there are far too many people pushing for kowah for that to be not the lim.In post 293, KawaiiKame wrote:
Then we should objectively eliminate Kowah, only way we advance this game is with a Kowah flipIn post 291, Abnegation wrote: kowah is objectively scummy imo, but the little voice in my head is saying "what if that's limbait town?"
UNVOTE: Abnegation
VOTE: Kowah
At that point, kawaii, abnegation and kowah were at E-2, with kawaii voting abnegation. Kawaii had no other viable option at that time to avoid their lim; and kowah would have had even lower survival chances the next day if we flipped kawaii. The rolecop would be a town rolecop guilty in two of the 8 scum rolecop setups, and the goon would not. This is consistent with a bus.
The POE is, without a sliver of doubt by me, {Kawaii, skitter, kokichi}-
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@everyone else: Please also provide your readslists.-
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To make this clear... this was also consistent with what I saw in kowah. I never saw a reason to remove kowah from my scumreads - rightly so.In post 480, Not Known 15 wrote: KittyTacky
- Could be scum... if it's really an attempt at a consistent planned Day 1 bus. Really dangerous with all that info town gains from a Day 1 lim on scum, though. If they are scum and would have targeted HPE then it would be legit game over today. But that's unlikely and their ISO more looks like town who found scum and didn't see anything further down the line that would make them consider otherwise.-
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Post your readslists!-
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What do you not get?In post 490, HighPrincessErinys wrote: Still frankly don't get NK15's scum!Kawaii argument but, eh.
And why do you not accept that me and abnegation are confirmed town?-
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Unvote at once.-
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