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[Aristeia]

now @aristeia do you see how alisae has no intention of talking through the 1v1 with me? I'd love to do things your way, I like your plan, I think you're playing solid mafia and I feel a little embarrassed for being part of what's potentially destroying town, but that's the game that's what we're going to do.

it's gonna be either me or alisae today, either me or alisae tomorrow. so let's get this done with.

ok but why does that make Alisae mafia?

Like if I'm mafia and I'm Alisae, I would think it is much easier to win if I get Klick mis-elimmed today, shoot Ari overnight, then tomorrow f3 with Ali/Aureal/Gimli is very easy to win because Aureal wants to kill Gimli.

Why would Alisae make it harder for Alisae by trying to win a 1v1 with you here today? Right now Klick wants to vote Alisae and Aureal is voting for Gimli so its 2/2 and she has maybe a 50% chance of getting me to vote for you over her at best?

Then even if she gets you today, tommorrow will be Klick/Aureal/Alisae and how is she going to survive that?

[Aristeia]

Like both of you seem to think Klick trapped Andante.

Read the part with the trap again - it did not lead to Andante getting eliminated -it's not like Klick started scumreading Andante for being caught in the trap or w/e, if anything Klick said it was NAI for Andante to not read?

[Aristeia]

Like why couldn't Klick & Andante have talked about the wagon on Andante and decided to do some theatre to make Klick look good in case it actually went through?

[Aristeia]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... _to_bus%3F
- Both players are in positions where if things are where they stand, both partners are not townie enough to make endgame
- Andante has been really wolfy in thread and is liable to be connected to Gimli.

Are you saying you don't go for the bus in these conditions?

the game state was:

Votecount

VC 1-X

Gimli (3 = E-2):

Aristeia, Datisi, Wavelength

Aristeia (3 = E-2):

Gimli, mykonian, Klick

Klick (1):

Andante

Datisi (1):

Alisae

Not Voting (1):

Aureal

With 9 alive, it takes 5 for an execution.

Deadline:

(expired on 2023-02-26 00:51:00)

Mod notes:

• I'm counting by hand, let me know if there is anything wrong.
  
• The combined mod ISO can be found here.

There were no votes on Andante - we had more or less forgotten about her atp?

I began interrogated Klick on his Gimli townread on this page and I felt it was like vapor because his answers felt evasive

I totally buy into Gimli's read and perception of the game being a town one
I'm not going to say Gimli can't be faking his current take on the game, but if he is he's putting a lot of effort into making it look genuine AND he's sending the gamestate in a direction that I already think is largely accurate and so I'm very happy to give him a pass and a sheep vote for the moment

Says really nothing about Gimli and even less about why he thinks I'm mafia and willing to vote me and put me at E-2.

When I push him on his Gimli townread his reasoning for it feels like scum answering and just kind of making things up instead of a town thought process behind why this person is town.

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Gimli fwiw out of Ari/Andante I have a slightly stronger opinion on Andante being a potential wolf
I'm fine with being on Aristeia regardless but if you're feeling similarly about both of them then Andante's my personal preference

This shift to Andante came right after I switched from pushing Gimli to pushing him and it's very ???? how he went from ok to sheep Gimli and putting third vote on me to deciding well actually let's go back to Andante? Like look at his iso, does that progression even make sense for town!him to have?

[Aristeia]

Like why couldn't Klick & Andante have talked about the wagon on Andante and decided to do some theatre to make Klick look good in case it actually went through?

I don't think wolf!Klick thinks that wagon goes through, it's not really based on anything

if Wolf!Klick thinks the wagon wouldn't go through that's even more incentive to theater because there'd be literally no consequences for it.

[Aristeia]

I guess I struggle to reach the same conviction you purport to have in your reads so it feels like TMI to me.

[Aristeia]

ok but how does voting Alisae resolve the issue? If you are worried that Alisae wants a quicklim to happen shouldn't you be trying to get alisae to unvote or one of the other people on the wagon to unvote?

[Aristeia]

I guess I struggle to reach the same conviction you purport to have in your reads so it feels like TMI to me.

I think I would only call said read TMI if it came super early and there was actually no reason for him to have because townies normally do not get reads that quickly but I think his Aureal read is like fine

saying someone is >99% town is a very high conviction read imo

[Aristeia]

I guess I struggle to reach the same conviction you purport to have in your reads so it feels like TMI to me.

What is a belief if you don't actually believe it?

I have a lot of thoughts on this and can respond to this in depth and I'd enjoy it but it feels like it'd get really tangential

You can believe something but only think you're right like 90% of the time. 99% is like I am only wrong once every 100 games on this type of read.

[Aristeia]

bye

sorry if I am getting annoying for you to deal with I am not very good at changing my mind unfortunately

[Aristeia]

are you both willing to flip your own slot today to make sure the other person gets flipped tomorrow?

because I'm kind of tempted to just press end on this game if you're both that certain the other person is mafia.

[Aristeia]

I don't particularly believe in blaming people. It's just a game. I do read your posts

[Aristeia]

the whole point of playing a game with other people is that you can be wrong about things - if we are not accepting of being wrong or foolish then it's not really a fun game anymore

[Aristeia]

I don't particularly believe in blaming people. It's just a game. I do read your posts

then how do you say I'm sure it's alisae? the only person doing this thing where some specific player needs to absolutely flip is alisae. you're acting as if this 1v1 is balanced from both sides when it's not.

I interpreted some of your posts as being fine with flipping your slot and alisae's slot together and just accepting a loss and blaming alisae if the mafia is in klick or aureal.

I know you are still making up your mind.

[Aristeia]

this kind of ate is very counterproductive to your win condition regardless of what it is

there are 5 days on the deadline can you pls just unvote and take a break if you are feeling ???

[Aristeia]

VOTE: Gimli
this is definitely a wolf, Herta was not towny, gimli seems to be trying way too hard to push me, I'm good with voting here

THIS IS THE FIRST THING THAT SHE DOES WHEN SHE COMES INTO THE THREAD

Andante very rarely busses

[Aristeia]

I actually forgot about that

[Aristeia]

if you think I am wrong about that piece of meta pls give me an example of Andante bussing

[Aristeia]

bussing and voting are not the same thing

[Aristeia]

like I don't really think Andante's vote on Klick or Aureal would be considered bussing because at the time she made the vote I don't think it was likely either Klick or Aureal would be eliminated

actually the gimli vote might not be really bussing because she only kept the vote there for a tiny sliver of time but like when she made it at least it was an e-2 vote and gimli was sort of viable as opposed to single voting someone.

[Aristeia]

I'm fine with it tbh. Hope I am wrong and it just ends with Alisae

[Aristeia]

yay ty for modding biancospino

glad I was wrong ^_^