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Day literally just started and you yourself noted the stump mechanic, so dislike your reasoning.
What does the stump mechanic have to deal with my expectations for you? Even now, you aren't doing much. Your two scumreads happen to be the two people voting you.
What do you expect me to be doing at this early stage ib the game and how is it in anyway unusual for me to be suss on anyone who either votes or advocates wagonong me for no good reason? This makes me even more confident on this read because you know there is nothing unusual about my reaction.
I feel like there's always one player each game who hard OMGUSes an RVS vote, so I don't think your reaction is super scummy, but I also just don't really get the perspective.
If someone suggested wagoning someone else would you still hate it or is it just because it's you?
Interesting. I could see arsonist!Titus possible naked voting a buddy like that but I’d want to heat more. What do you dislike about Vanderscamp?
He’s obviously incorrect to characterize Titus’ vote on me as rvs but I think Titus is extremely likely to be scum because she tends to be a lot less tunnelled as town, especially this early. She pushed a town pr really hard in some game where she was scum in a game with town!Math, so this is more likely than not, her scum meta here.
Yeah I think I was conflating Ircher's comment on you which you also responded negatively to.
In my mind it's fairly similar, it's more the sentiment of hard omgusing someone super early and creating this death tunnel which I don't find super productive.
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Post #100 (isolation #13) » Thu Sep 29, 2022 9:29 pm
Postby Vanderscamp »
In post 88, furtiveglance wrote:Vanderscamp is just being reasonable and asking questions, not really towny or scummy, but the vote on Ircher looked a bit quick to me, I don't think Ircher is an Arsonist
Why not?
I can buy not agreeing with me but I can't imagine why anyone would have a town read there. I think Ircher is easily the scummiest person in the thread atm for seeing what Don Draper was doing to anyone who expressed any kind of suspicion on them at all and then just backing out.
To me that implies the wagon was less important to Ircher than how they are perceived in thread.
In post 88, furtiveglance wrote:Vanderscamp is just being reasonable and asking questions, not really towny or scummy, but the vote on Ircher looked a bit quick to me, I don't think Ircher is an Arsonist
Why not?
I can buy not agreeing with me but I can't imagine why anyone would have a town read there. I think Ircher is easily the scummiest person in the thread atm for seeing what Don Draper was doing to anyone who expressed any kind of suspicion on them at all and then just backing out.
To me that implies the wagon was less important to Ircher than how they are perceived in thread.
Ircher has some familiarity with my meta, so I’m currently on the fence about that and who exactly is “anyone”? Ircher only advocated wagonnong me after Titus made that ridiculous vote on me. One player /= ANYONE.
When Ircher talked about doing a different wagon you had called the two people who put any pressure on you at all the scum team, for the reason that they had put pressure on you.
If Titus flipped scum right now I'd think the interaction makes Ircher look slightly better but I don't think it's obvious.
I'll give you Vanderscamp as possible scum here. Hard to explain but I don't like their posturing and they were on the fast Ircher wagon. Feels like they want anyone and are floating.
This is quite a scummy take; I want specifically Ircher and I think I've done a pretty good job explaining why, and I haven't even voted anywhere else.
In post 65, SCRRRDBEAR wrote:BE ALERT! VOTE: DON DRAPER EXPECT THE UNEXPECTED. BE FIRE SAFE.
Nooooo why back off the e-1? That was good pressure stride
SO DOES THIS POST MAKE PORKENS TREE GOOD OR BAD?
I can’t say, I’m currently nullreading them but I don’t like Ircher being at E-1. In SS’ game, a player was put to e-1 and self-hammered on d1, they were town. Early day 1 flashwagons more than not tend to be town. I don’t see any reason to rush the vote regardless.
Although I had no intent on voting Ircher, I feel like we got info from it. Regardless of Ircher's alignment, likely one scum in it.
In post 167, Don Draper x Mistress wrote:If there’s a world where Titus is actually moonlogicy tunnelled town here. then I probably wouldn’t trust their reads in much. I don’t really have an opinion on Vanderscamp yet. I previously played with him in Koba’s neighbour game. Yes, I’m Loki.
I THINK NOT HAVING AN OPINION MIGHT BE THE KIND OF TREE THE ARSONIST APPEARS TO BE
I MEAN, "DIFFICULT-TO-FORM-AN-OPINION-ON" MIGHT BE THE TREE TO AXE RIGHT NOW
People really suck at reading me early game so I wouldn't read too much into this
In post 157, SCRRRDBEAR wrote:HEY MISTRESS DO YOU WANT TO DOGPILE ON VANDER? I AM RUNNING OUT OF SUSPECTS. IM DOWN TO VANDER AND PORKENS.
I thought you wanted Porkens.....explain why you now prefer Vander
I DON'T PREFER EITHER I SUSPECT BOTH NOW THROUGH POE. TITUS IS DOWN FOR VANDER SO I ASK DON X MISTRESS BECAUSE IF BOTH WANT THEN IT'S EASIER TO PUSH THROUGH.
I'd reevaluate your process for coming to this POE.
Herta in particular, wtf has that slot done to seem town?
In post 157, SCRRRDBEAR wrote:HEY MISTRESS DO YOU WANT TO DOGPILE ON VANDER? I AM RUNNING OUT OF SUSPECTS. IM DOWN TO VANDER AND PORKENS.
I thought you wanted Porkens.....explain why you now prefer Vander
I DON'T PREFER EITHER I SUSPECT BOTH NOW THROUGH POE. TITUS IS DOWN FOR VANDER SO I ASK DON X MISTRESS BECAUSE IF BOTH WANT THEN IT'S EASIER TO PUSH THROUGH.
Titus is sus though. Don't you agree that Enchant/Herta are bad scumreads?
IM NOT CONVINCED TITUS IS SUS THOUGH. IF SHE IS FIGHTING WITH NANCY TO CREATE DRAMA IT CAN BACKFIRE AND IS LOT OF WORK. MORE LIKELY PARANOID TOWN.
IF U R TALKING ABOUT PORKENS, PORKENS ALSO WANTED IRCHER BEFORE THAT. SO THEY WANT IRCHER THEN ENCHANT/HERTA. NOT A GOOD LOOK.
The first paragraph is also my reasoning on Ircher.
Ircher saw what was happening with Titus/Don and immediately noped out of that.
So why is Ircher town?
In post 157, SCRRRDBEAR wrote:HEY MISTRESS DO YOU WANT TO DOGPILE ON VANDER? I AM RUNNING OUT OF SUSPECTS. IM DOWN TO VANDER AND PORKENS.
Vanderscamp doesn’t sound really completely different here than in the neighbour game. He also gave me __ in that for omgussing nearly every player who sr me. I would really like to discuss with Auro his Ircher read before I do anything. I’m still not convinced that Titus is this bad at reading me.
Were we both town in that game?
I think you're probably the towniest person in the thread but if I really did give you shit for OMGUSing in that game and you were town there then that makes you even townier.
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Post #234 (isolation #26) » Fri Sep 30, 2022 3:00 pm
Postby Vanderscamp »
In post 210, Titus wrote:I didn't say Huerta was scum. I doubt they are. I just don't have enough to declare a townread yet.
Vander is poking around the sidelines. His post on you v me was very bad. He didn't say we were t v t. He said it was possible. His post was designed to flip me first before flipping you. It made it clear he really doesn't want to flip you, yet he doesn't want to call you town.
The charade is pushing me as scum.
You STILL have no analysis. No thought process beyond someone voting you is scum.
Yeah I think you could be t v t or t v s.
I do think Don is town and I don't like the things you have said recently that I've commented on (your read on me trying to get any wagon and your analysis of the Ircher voters)
I vaguely like your confidence that I am scum but overall I sr you.
If I really wanted to flip you both, I would not be advocating that it's very possibly t v t, I'd say something like "yeah Don, I agree with you that Titus is not this bad at reading you, which makes me think one of you is scum," but I don't actually think this is the case so I'm not saying it.
At this stage I'd probably rather flip a random person who hasn't said much of substance like porkens or herta because I'm giving credence to the fact that Titus is choosing to engage in a battle with someone, but I also have questions about his analysis. In particular I don't understand coming to the conclusion that the Ircher wagon contains scum regardless of Ircher's alignment and am very keen to hear his reasoning.
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Post #245 (isolation #29) » Fri Sep 30, 2022 5:48 pm
Postby Vanderscamp »
In post 238, Titus wrote:Well Vander hasn't been here for ages and has little attention to detail.
1) Vander is not familiar with me.
A) He used male pronouns for me repeatedly. I am a woman.
B) He doesn't appear to know I do wagonomics.
2) He doesn't have attention to detail because my pronouns are listed with every post.
That forces me to consider the possibility that I misattributed a level of precision and deliberateness due to Vander playing nearly as long as I have.
Sorry for the misgendering, Titus is a fairly common male name in Germany so I just used male by default.
I've played something like 600 games total across sites since about my registration date, but only about 10 on this site and am pretty unfamiliar with specific player meta.
In post 210, Titus wrote:I didn't say Huerta was scum. I doubt they are. I just don't have enough to declare a townread yet.
Vander is poking around the sidelines. His post on you v me was very bad. He didn't say we were t v t. He said it was possible. His post was designed to flip me first before flipping you. It made it clear he really doesn't want to flip you, yet he doesn't want to call you town.
The charade is pushing me as scum.
You STILL have no analysis. No thought process beyond someone voting you is scum.
If you actually believe this and are actually not bsing me, then you’re clearly not reading. And where’s YOUR analysis on us? I’m still waiting.
If we’re actually wrong on you, you thus far have given me no reason to think so and you continuing to insist we’re scum when if anyone I would expect to be correctly reading us here is YOU, is not doing anything to change my mind.
I know you read me wrong in Anything uPick but I attributed that to Cheeky but here you’re actually reading ME wrong and you haven’t done that in like forever.
I have detailed almost every post with a reach out and my expectations if you were town, only to get shot down each time. When I suspect town!Nancy, town!Nancy engages on my reads. Town!Nancy does more than OMGUS.
Despite me putting out multiple reasoned reads, I get zero questions or reasoned reads from you.
Then you’re not reading
. I honestly can’t tell anymore if you’re seriously this tunnelled you are missing the obvious or you’re scum but I know what you’re saying isn’t true but what I’m not sure is if you actually believe what you’re saying or not. I don’t agree with your reads especially the one on me obviously, so I don’t even understand what you’re talking about anymore. I’m telling you I’m town here. Whether or not you choose to believe that or not is no longer my concern. I feel like engaging with you any further would be about as productive as watching pain dry because you literally aren’t listening to anything I’m saying and everyone else in the thread can see what you’re saying about me is wrong, so you’re either not reading my posts or you’re scum because I don’t understand why you keep saying the things you are otherwise?
In post 259, Titus wrote:Scum will favor lurker pushes here. Lurkers are more likely to give up if miseliminated. Only if scum can't get a lurker will they push active people. Hence why I FoS Bear there.
Do you think Scrrrdbear 'couldn't get' Enchant/Porkens? I'm still voting Porkens
Not without yelling and dominating. There's also the fact that Enchant is obvtown. Do you really expect Bear to be able to push a case where little to no evidence exists and there's meta evidence for town Enchant?
Porkens might be an easier sell but still would require a dramatic shift.
Third, hard pushing a lurker might draw them to play. Scum want lurkers to lurk.
What's the meta evidence for town enchant?
I don't have them as town.
In post 131, Herta wrote:Why don't the arsonists have a faction name?
Imo i know it's on level of insane telling, but it's probably real arsonist will not ask, because these REALLY draw hate, for reasoning that that's what arsonists asks to be as most distant with role mentally.
Ircher
Vanderscamp
SCRRRDBEAR
Don Draper x Mistress (hydra of Nancy Drew 39 and Auro)
furtiveglance
Enchant
Porkens
Herta
Titus
If ircher scum I'd look at furtivegalance draper or enchant as partner so I don't think ircher as scummy now since I townread those three.
This is the post in question. Are you guys saying Porkens knows Ircher is scum and setting us up while finding a justification to not scumread Ircher without directly townreading Ircher?
Herta, not Porkens.
I don't think Ircher has to be scum, it just sounded like a fake reason to read Ircher as town this early in the game.
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Post #378 (isolation #44) » Thu Oct 06, 2022 10:50 am
Postby Vanderscamp »
Like, mid to late game I don't mind looking for specific partners on someone and then townreading them when they don't have any valid partners, because there are pretty obvious connections, but this is D1.
Could be either!
The TMI might be that Ircher isn't with any of the remaining players for TMI reasons, but Ircher is still scum with Herta.
Why does scum!Herta make that post though? At any rate my initial sr on Ircher has pretty much taken a nosedive, have no idea what Auro thinks about it.
In post 393, furtiveglance wrote:I get the feeling that several of us agree on Porkens/Herta, yet we're kind of stuck on which one to vote first. Maybe it's better to just vote one of them and move on
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Post #435 (isolation #52) » Sat Oct 08, 2022 2:09 pm
Postby Vanderscamp »
In post 417, Titus wrote:I'd like if everyone answered a question: Do you think any bus votes have happened on any wagon excluding mine? (I know I'm town so I know mine can't be bussing.)
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Post #483 (isolation #54) » Mon Oct 10, 2022 12:03 pm
Postby Vanderscamp »
In post 441, Don Draper x Mistress wrote:Well I really can’t tell rn if Porkens is scum or checked out town. In my experience, they are usually more obvious as scum but I haven’t played with them in quite awhile. I would expect scum in this game to be trying a bit harder because there’s only two of them.
It concerns me that Porkens isn’t really too worried about the possibility of being run up. Auro hasn’t expressed any concern about them.
It’s obviously not good that they aren’t giving reads but my theory is if Porkens is actually scum their buddy would most likely be bussing them but I think with only two scum, it’s hard to believe that scum would bus on d1 unless they absolutely had too.
I still want that readslist from them but I still am the most suspicious of Titus.
In post 461, Porkens wrote:Actually that’s wrong. I wouldn’t be happy to eliminate anyone. I have preferences of who I’d like to eliminate but they aren’t based on town/scum reads.
Like: Don Draper x Mistress (hydra of Nancy Drew 39 and Auro)
Love: Porkens
Wary: furtiveglance
Impatient: Herta
Enchanted: Vanderscamp
Wary: Ircher
Like: Titus
Wary: Enchant
Tempted: SCRRRDBEAR
I don't really get this, but it shows I guess genuine thoughtfulness rather than the manipulation vibes I'm getting from Titus.
In post 461, Porkens wrote:Actually that’s wrong. I wouldn’t be happy to eliminate anyone. I have preferences of who I’d like to eliminate but they aren’t based on town/scum reads.
Like: Don Draper x Mistress (hydra of Nancy Drew 39 and Auro)
Love: Porkens
Wary: furtiveglance
Impatient: Herta
Enchanted: Vanderscamp
Wary: Ircher
Like: Titus
Wary: Enchant
Tempted: SCRRRDBEAR
This is part of it. The timing of these posts show Porkens is thinking about the game. Could be scum, but I think it's enough for Day 1.
In post 461, Porkens wrote:Actually that’s wrong. I wouldn’t be happy to eliminate anyone. I have preferences of who I’d like to eliminate but they aren’t based on town/scum reads.
Like: Don Draper x Mistress (hydra of Nancy Drew 39 and Auro)
Love: Porkens
Wary: furtiveglance
Impatient: Herta
Enchanted: Vanderscamp
Wary: Ircher
Like: Titus
Wary: Enchant
Tempted: SCRRRDBEAR
This is part of it. The timing of these posts show Porkens is thinking about the game. Could be scum, but I think it's enough for Day 1.
VOTE: Herta
This is absurd
The TMI reads continue
Explain the tmi here.
There's nothing at all in porkens' post that shows he's thinking about the game.
In post 486, Vanderscamp wrote:I don't think Titus is super town or anything but at least he's actively engaging in conflict in a game where relatively very few people are doing so.
I think scum are people like Ircher/Herta/Porkens who are just sitting back and chilling and letting Don/Titus waste time with a tunnel on each other.
I think Herta has given multiple really suspect reads and I would love to kill that slot today.
Suspect reads as in what you think are wrong reads or suspect reads as in fake reads. If they're wrong reads, so? and if they're fake reads, explain what clues you in to them being fake.
I've talked about this earlier, your post where you say that someone only has three specific scum partners and you townread all three of them, therefore that person is towny, is just way too confident a read that anyone could be making at this point in the game. You have to be confident in so many different things for that read to apply, and it's not like you've been confident enough to be able to push hard against anyone in particular.
I think you're giving out fake good reads.