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First VOTE: Tracer

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I see color coded read list, I scumread. I don't make the rules.

what terrible scum theatre

Can be townie though.

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Obviously there's no scum in the game and we're all townies.

Meg town.

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Must....resist....full Creature mode.....

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Ducky can be town too but not as confident as meg town. Norwee is like a shade over the null line.

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I raise you a silly vote VOTE: Tracer

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I was already voting there..... Wow these things are HEAT SEEKING.

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Your very casual about casting shade after saying you dislike frivolous votes.

I don’t think I said that

Also isn’t this a game about casting shade?

I am confuzzled

It is indeed not.

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Obviously there's no scum in the game and we're all townies.

Meg town.

pls enlighten me i'm not that smart

Townie joke was town to me. Also not smart.

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The eagerly awaited sequel to the best readlist ever:



VOTE: Wallflower

Lol I want to scumread it but if you switch Ircher and TW this is pretty much my list.

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VOTE: Wallflower

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Yes, but actually no.

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There's dissonance between what you (or maybe I) perceive as scum!play, your awareness of self and said scum!play, and playing with scumsided cause/effect type actions.

Those were mostly just words.

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I see, but I also don’t

(I must admit that I sorta like the response. It’s keeping me on my toes!)

PEdit: what do you mean by “said scum!play”?

Give me a bit to outline what I'm talking about. Mostly this all stems around the gamma vote following the tracer interactions. The explanation didn't really bring down the scum equity of the vote for me.

But there was something in the meg interactions too. I'm sure it'll ring a bell when I read back.

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Careful, psychic ducks are the hardest to trust.

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Maybe, but I guess what I’m saying is that I think it would have been done in a different way if Tracer were scum?

Not enough for me to conclude that they’re town, but enough to give me pause.

Also, magazu is probably just scum

Off the cuff throw in of the scumread leads to -

I mean if you want to act like you have a reason to throw shade then share. Else concede you don't and get some dirt on me, Scum!Me has plenty

You seem bothered

Handwaving megs issue instead of addressing the why gives scumpings

Also interesting that you’re going all in on me for it and not Tracer.

Think I’m the easier target huh?

It's really not. Plus this is just avoiding the situation again and slinging mud.

Okay, attitude aside, I am a bit concerned by Megazu’s play. Before honing in on me, the play seemed like benign contributions that seem safe and weren’t really NAI but compared to other people looking more town, placed Azu further down the list.

The difference in treatment of me vs. Tracer was interesting but could probably be explained by scumreading me. I still like to think it’s because they’re scared of Tracer but not me, but I guess time will tell.

My initial reaction was yuck to the doubling down on the scumread of me, despite it having been partially based on a post they misread, but maybe scum would do more face-saving hmmm.

TW, what do you think of Ircher’s cheerleading? Does that line up more with Ircher scum or town?

PEdit: it is… like… page 6

I should have broke this quote up but :

I'm considering the first part as the basis for what you consider scum!play (at least at this point in the game). It also loosely applies to myself but I hadn't been pushed on the same basis, it's not important for this specific situation but I'll tie it in when I make my....summary I guess I'd call it.

But like, other people being more townie doesn't make meg scum. I'd have to go on the assumption that your issue with his play was how he returned fire. Which also doesn't make sense if you had the scumread before they answered.

It's not absurd from megs perspective to scumread your slot. You called them scum, were asked to explain and told them it was scummy they didn't ask tracer (which isn't an explanation of your read.)

Doubling down there seems natural in that light.

See even if I did think you were mafia, people would see my vote on you as OMGUS and not take it seriously

Or see me as someone whose opinions sway dependent on what other people think of them. (Even though that’s probably true to some extent, but ssshhh)

Now Tracer, it’s my turn. Do you actually think I’m mafia, or are you voting me for fun?

More awareness of what you'd consider scum!play. All of this might be in jest but it's over my head if so.

Overall though I found it weird to pander to Tracer whom you put in a null range. They're in your town pool later but not at this point.

Also the second half of this post is like... Subtle explanation of exactly what you're doing in a more macro sense.

Well that’s nice dear.

How about a deal?

Will you vote Gamma with me?

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

More pandering but the vote feels more like a vote scum throws down after checking the thread temp. It lines up with the back away from tracer and the push on Meg.

People who I have as varying degrees of townread (in no particular order):

The worst
Tracer
Mega
Norwegianboy
Ircher
Something_smart

I didn't mean to add this post but I was subconsciously salty about being excluded maybe.

While it's on my mind though throwing Tracer in here kind of undermines the interaction with them. Why not just say you thought they were town when they asked if you thought they were scum?

That's minor.

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I'm changing my name to RCOpenBook

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Bleh, running out of people to call me scum VOTE: Ircher

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Bleh, running out of people to call me scum VOTE: Ircher

What changed abt wallflower fypov?

Call me weird but the fact they didn't retaliate to anything I had to say against them, rubbed me the right way. Naturally scum wants to refute points that indicate their alignment but they kinda just took it on the chin. If they actually are scum that's pretty impressive restraint.

Ircher wagon has my townreads on it so here I am.

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I usually get a gutping early when gamma is scum and I haven't gotten anything this game. It might be the low sample size but I'm not super interested in voting there.

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Are you nice or mean.

Potatoes are neither.

Like the last 2-3 times playing scum against you I've been called out each time over my passivity or just overall vibe.

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I've never eaten myself. But scum!me is probably sweeter than town!me in most cases.

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I keep voting where I want to before I actually have the want to. It's freaking me out a little bit.

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time for my first way too early readlist

I see no reason to change my reads

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VOTE: Wallflower

Can I get an explanation on how SS shifted here?

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Tracer I'm sure you've played with SS before.

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As to Enigma since I haven't expanded too much on that read. The 1-line summary is that the ISO reads as someone going through the motions of scum hunting. Take 212 for instance. It's confusingly worded and hard to parse. I keep reading it, and yet I feel nowhere closer to understanding what RCEnigma actually meant there. Now, you may wonder, "So what? What's the big deal about a hard to parse post?" but in fact, it is a big deal because you cannot engage with an unparseable argument! Indeed, it is the perfect way to look busy while not actually doing stuff. Now, to be fair, RCEnigma did gave an elaboration in 227, but that post also has issues. See, rather than boiling the argument to the mere essentials needed to convey it, RCEnigma instead opted for a longwinded quote wall. You see, the problem is the quote wall length does not in fact aid comprehension. The only explanation given there is only marginally more comprehendible than the message given in 212.

Cool. Which parts did you have trouble following? Which parts felt wrong to you? Etc etc. Don't call it confusing, not engage in any of it, and call me scum because you couldn't be bothered to ask me anything.

I think you're more diligent than this as town.

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RCE i townread and Tracer, hmm i guess he COULD be scum, but he isn’t alligned with Ircher so if Ircher!scum he is town.

This is my hang-up, but the other way around. Ircher COULD be scum but I do think Tracer is scummier.

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Err with Ircher specifically it's not exactly town indicative. In control he was called out early and much of his takes after that were against the grain reads. That might have been out of necessity so it's not 1 to 1.

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I didn't particularly scumread Ircher, I just thought the slots on his wagon were townie. But his explanation of his scumread on me seems insincere.

I would expect Town!Ircher to attempt to gain clarity before reaching the conclusion that he doesn't understand the angle therefore scum.

I could still go tracer though.

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Toog is always a slow burn read. Not that I personally get more or less confident reading toog as the game goes on....but somebody might.

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also another point

for the people calling me "scummy"

i don't know if you've noticed

but like nothing is going on.

How swingy you are with your reads given this being your view makes your takes stilted.

Flip a table and I'd probably join your cause.

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I don't know if Ircher/tracer are unaligned but I scumread both and I'm up for either lim. But hitting town in either one of them is going to intensify a tunnel tomorrow.

So for example we flip tracer today, they flip town. Tw/Ircher/ maybe wallflower have to go under the microscope.

At the same time my fear is like, we flip tracer and they're town then either me or norwee die and suddenly all of the muscle to push Ircher through day 2 disappears. I'm not super confident that TW!Town flips a switch and 180s their Ircher read, just the vibe I'm getting maybe I'm wrong. Or TW is scum and it doesn't really matter anyway, lethargy probably bulldozes town at that point.

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If ircher!scum it's highly likely all of norwee/tracer/TW town
I have an outside townread on Meg that's only really slipping from low activity.

SS/Wall/Toog pretty much lines up.

Ircher!town I still townread Norwee off the back of that. Besides that I have to ask some questions and put some brainpower in. Like, does Tracer get frustrated with the game state being rigid if they're scum competing with a larger wagon on town? Is TW's defense of Ircher genuine or self serving? The miscellaneous votes look a lot worse if the wagons are TvT and kinda prove tracers point to a degree.

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I'm varying degrees of confident in norwee/TW/meg town.

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VOTE: SS

Sorry I don't have the mental energy to meaningfully engage. I was typing up a post to explain a vote on tracer but honestly I can't justify it to myself over SS.

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VOTE: SS

Sorry I don't have the mental energy to meaningfully engage. I was typing up a post to explain a vote on tracer but honestly I can't justify it to myself over SS.

When you get the chance, I'm interested in why you made this vote. Do you think that S_S's griping about the two main wagons and shading of me comes from scum. I feel like scum aware of the gamestate probably doesn't throw my name out there at this point?

Gonna be honest I haven't read any of it.

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I read the brief back and forth with tracer and here's where I land.

SS is low impact day 1 as town, I'm aware. But his interjections are generally relevant, that doesn't feel like his game here. The waffling is weird. They mentioned their go-to being follow a townread or something to that effect. But it's implied if you aren't pushing Ircher +TW as a scumteam that one or the other is a townread by virtue of TWs claim and both are on Tracer.

Tracer being proactive and trying to push the game forward starts before pushing Ircher even, which is the big thing holding me back from voting there. I don't see the scum angle.

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we going to chinese fire drill ourselves onto a baddie cuz everyone will feel bad about not playing the game and show up magically 3 hours before deadline?

This is an idea.

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Actually I'm backtracking all of that lol I think Tracer could just be scum.

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Now i'm even more convinced Tracer is town.

Is this still the case?

Mega's flip didn't really change my mind on things too much. I don't really understand why Ircher knew from anything mechanically why an VT slot was more likely town but they are conf!town and don't want to share so whatever.

Why does this even matter?

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The flash wagon kinda killed my whim. It shouldn't have but it's whatever, I'll pick it back up.

I'm still convinced tracer/ss/wall has 1 if not both scum.

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wallflower didnt even vote for Megaz but ok

What's your point?

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We're killing Tracer or Toogeloo today.

Do you really think this is 1 for 1 or just that tracer is scum?

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SS do you still not have a stance on either of Tracer or Toog with the flash wagon on town in mind?

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wallflower didnt even vote for Megaz but ok

What's your point?

why do you think she is mafia

My scumread on them is low in confidence but my pool is what it is because I can consider myself norwee and Ircher all town. If I make a leap on you as town that's all that's left. I'm not fully there, but I do keep flipping back and forth.

Late in the day wall was riding the fence on you/toog which isn't great but I wasn't around to hammer at deadline so grain of salt I guess. I actually think you being town makes wall!scum more likely.

I just want SS today though.

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I'd like to mention that one thing i'm questioning right now is how Pooky was like "Omg none of you are solving, nobody gives a shit except me" and it made sense at first, but then people here actually started to make some good content. And Pooky STILL kept saying nobody was giving a shit, which just felt so awkward. xD

This is what flipped my read on tracer yesterday. Like I went back through one of the spats with ircher but it 100% didnt hold up. Now i dont know what pooky's scumgame looks like but I know that I personally find myself sticking to something that I think town!me would find scummy and trying to drive it home. so it just kinda clicked for me what Ircher was talking about with tracer.

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You guys keep sidetracking me VOTE: SS

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Are you suggesting we need an bedcam to see if you are losing sleep this game or not.

I'm not saying I'm into this. But I am saying I have $10.

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I noticed you excluded Toogeloo from your pool. Why?

I don't have a read on toog one way or the other. Like if it's between toog and tracer I'm probably going tracer. If Toog is scum +1 it has to be with norwee since that's the ONLY slot securely townread enough to give toog the leeway to do nothing.

And I townread Norway more than I town read you so.

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Nor way you just made that joke.

Honestly yeah, Ircher posts and my brain goes....yeah scum made that post. Except he's town.

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I think the two have an 80% chance of 1 scum among them based on the timing and forming of the Meg wagon.

You're saying you just think it's tracer then. Toog wasn't a part of the flash wagon.

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I mean it’s been E-1 for forever.

Good point actually VOTE: toog

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I think there's 1 between you at least. Tell me why it's wallflower.

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RCE and Wall have both fallen off a bit recently, and they are not slots i traditionally view as doing that if they were town here.
Where you two at right now?

Around but still not invested. The game is running through tracer/Ircher/you to some degree. The rest of us are just kind of hanging on.

Not to give other slots an out but still.

VOTE: Wallflower


Specifically with Ircher in mind, the meg wagon can't be tracer!scum AND be a town motivated wagon AND be the counter wagon to the other two scum!wagons. Maybe that's not what you were getting at but that's what I extrapolated.

I think by play Tracer is probably town. I can't even really pin tracer pushing the flash wagon through on him because Town had to give the greenlight to go "Hey this guy is our biggest scum suspect, but hey if he wants meg out....why not".

Which is insane to me but I'm just a nugget trying to get by so.

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UNVOTE:

I had a different thought I was gonna go into with wallflower but got distracted.

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I don't see why Wallflower would push me this hard if this is a TvT conflict

I don't get this btw.

if me/tooge r tvt, mafia dont have a reason to be invested in which of us dies

They absolutely do. It doesn't do me any favors but in a tvt scenario it's probably more lucrative to elim toog. The noise you are generating would be enough for me to keep you around if I was scum.

You're never going to be a solid townread so even if your reads are spot on they come with a spoonful of paranoia.

Keeping toog alive is only beneficial if they continue to be lethargic. Any spur of inspiration could be detrimental.

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Will have to be without me, I'm not voting norwee in any world.

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VOTE: Tracer

I will yeet SS.... probably regardless of your flip if I'm honest. Scouts honor.

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Like if I had to explain it to another person I'd say....vibe probably. You feel a lot more aimless than I think town!you is. In the sense that I have no idea what you are looking for or out of who and you're giving off the impression you generally don't either.

I can't throw out buzzword B's like agenda or anything because I don't think you're doing anything in particular besides letting town go at itself.

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I don't know, I think I'm about as aimless as I usually am? I'm trying to help figure out who the best execution is today and where to go from there.

I also don't think I play more aimlessly as scum than as town. I have scum games where I try to get away with doing very little, but I have town games like that too (and I wouldn't even say this is one of them).

I think your town game is low effort up front with a fair degree of thought behind the scenes. I don't think I've ever even been in a game that you rolled scum so I can't say what you would or wouldn't do with a red role pm.

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Norwee what do you think about Tracer being the only person townreading Wallflower?

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I'm still where I am yesterday but dead town says wall town. So ss or Toog with SS as my top pref.

I'm not voting norwee and if he's scum then tracer can tell me how trash my game is post game it's cool.

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i dont think youre out of your scumrange but we hit some mindmeld points early, specifically with ircher pre and post claim. maybe on tracer day 1 too? Also the way you engaged Tracer early in the game like day 1 when the started ranting about the gamestate.

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i dont think youre out of your scumrange but we hit some mindmeld points early, specifically with ircher pre and post claim. maybe on tracer day 1 too? Also the way you engaged Tracer early in the game like day 1 when the started ranting about the gamestate.

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could scum!you have been trying to pocket them like yeah i guess but its harder to sell me that than the converse.

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could scum!you have been trying to pocket them like yeah i guess but its harder to sell me that than the converse.

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I'm still where I am yesterday but dead town says wall town.

It would be an interesting move from you as scum to not keep me open as a miselim target, but I do find it a bit hard to believe that you're not suspicious of me here after your expressed thoughts on me on previous days.

Also, I don't want to totally ignore Tracer on Norwe, but the idea of keeping SS in the game is a difficult one for me? I feel like I've allowed myself to let SS skate by for too long.

I completely think you rolled a red pm but I'm respecting the dead reads to a degree.

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So S_S and Wall want RCE.

RCE, Toog what are your thoughts on the game?

I'm odd man out because I'm still on the wall!scum train. Also kinda agree with Toog here. It's a win today claim.

I'll try and go back through the game but I stand where I stand aorn.

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469 looks bad for RCE knowing that Ircher and Tracer are both town. In fact unless it's RCE/WF all of the people he mentioned here are town.

This should probably make me reevaluate WF because it means my play is the one that's been scummy but eh.

WF fits this evaluation as well. They've pushed just Tracer!town this game behind TW, Ircher, and later norwee -- and my slot which I know is town but town doesn't.

Side thought. If norwee we're scum here there isn't much downside for them to throw a vote down on me since 1 of the 2 slots content with elimming me has to be town in that scenario

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I'm always paranoid of Ascetic claims. Especially on slots that I feel would be a cagey read to begin with

Will have to cross check this with Control. I don't remember who all pushed tictac on the ascetic claim besides Ceph

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Like, I could identify SS playing different but I couldn't really pinpoint it or push it really. I was probably going to push wall if SS was off the table even if the claim was sketchy so an L either way.

Inactivity made me throw I'll just blame that lol.