Micro 1039: The Coalition [game over!]

[Galron]

Foist.

VOTE: prohawk

[Galron]

UNVOTE:

oops

[Galron]

Looker! Finally.

[Galron]

HEAL: mcesther
HEAL: looker

VOTE: mbot

[Galron]

Haha Looker. Nice one. Hopefully not a lot of subs this game. Getting a coalition locked in will give us a step in the right direction for POE.

Very stiff.

[Galron]

I didn't realize there was such a rush to lock in a coalition without any data to make my choices. I'm always stiff it's NAI. Galron has been trigger happy from first post of the game

Me knee jerking to rvs is scummy?

[Galron]

Just a skim but I agree that enchant is townie

HEAL: enchant

And t3 has a vote on mc esther and a heal there as well?

[Galron]

Just a skim but I agree that enchant is townie

HEAL: enchant

@datisi

[Galron]

Just a skim but I agree that enchant is townie

HEAL: enchant

@datisi

Nevermind. I see how it's working.

[Galron]

HEAL: galron

[Galron]

I'll amp it up for you Looker.

[Galron]

galron was wayyyy subdued as town when i played with him, it doesnt really ping to me.

"looks like the sort of iso that could get day 1 miselimmed" might have been a better phrasing. im, idk, drawing analogy to an archetype, i guess; not practically worrying she's the yeet (like, if we eliminate within the coalition, she's almost certainly not). i get that's a pretty fuzzy and subjective (and perhaps even unreliable!) read, but the questions are relevant, i might feel comfortable calling it in slightly less hazy terms if she comes back to answer.

Sorry but I understand neither the first nor the second paragraphs. I mean, I understand what you're saying in the first, but I don't characterize my play as being subdued. And with the second, what is waiting to be answered?

[Galron]

Is there anyone here who doesn't think Looker is town?

I have no super strong read that he is, but from what I've seen so far I haven't wanted to drop him.

[Galron]

Is there anyone here who doesn't think Looker is town?

But when you ask this, does who answers what factor in? I don't think you have expressed any scum reads, and you've said you have difficuly time town hunting. So what's the purpose of the question, unless it's to, like someone said, determine whether Looker should heal himself?

[Galron]

UNVOTE: mbot

The last couple of posts have been alright, although even if I don't agree with some of what was said.

[Galron]

honestly, when i first heard you were excited to play with looker, my thought was "woah, this guy gets excited about things?". overall, youre not particularly high-volume; youre a little bit closed off in expressing your reads; i could be wrong on this point, but you dont strike me as a wild gambits type of player; youre very measured; and you have an extremely consistent tone that comes across to me as, unfailingly polite. "subdued" is the word i'd use for it, youre not particularly high-energy, and you dont blurt out everything in your head. i kinda view your gameplay as just, steadily prodding at things, waiting for the contradictions to shake out. youre not really, idk, "in it for the drama".

That's probably a fair assessment. I'm older than the site average I think and had all my internet drama in the 90s, so things bounce off me for the most part, and I'm prone to let others have the last word. I do get excited about playing with Looker. We were in an Open that I repped into, actually the one I formed this account for, and had a lot of fun in it. So whenever I see him I try to get in a game with him. Lately he's been chasing me around, repping into games right when I get killed. Back to your initial point, though, I can get animated when I'm frustrated. That happens more often than I'd like.

[Galron]

I think the consensus is Enchant is town in addition to Looker. So three more.

[Galron]

Or maybe he isn't. I keep looking at the VC wrong.

[Galron]

I think Enchant.

HEAL: enchant

[Galron]

I've already got enchant. I'm still looking at the VC wrong.

[Galron]

mbot, prohawk, andante and enchant need to be choosing people

[Galron]

If MBot is scum, why are you voting mc esther. If you're voting mc esther, why have you coalition'd mc esther.

[Galron]

I think the consensus is Enchant is town in addition to Looker. So three more.

Does someone want to sell me on this consensus about Enchant? So far they've been solidly

meh

for me, none of their posts really move me one way or the other.

Also, Galron, why would you decide to heal based on what the consensus is? Why not say what

you

think of Enchant and why?

What I was doing was trying to see how close we were to a consensus coalition. If you look at Enchant's 61, 70, and 72, especially where he questions mcesther's townread, you'll see he's probably town. And I had already healed him anyway in 73. So looking at the board, we have two, Looker and Enchant, who will probably be in the coalition, and we need three more.

With that, mbot is looking better, and so is umlaut.

[Galron]

I do apologize for not making many posts and forgetting about the game. I'm still getting used to remembering this sites posting requirements when life gets busy. Coalition lists have me shaking my head because most were made too early to have actual reads on players. I'm probably the most newb player in this game and I get that FOSing creates dialog that leads to better reads but I'm not grasping the benefit of loading up a coalition at this point.

Adante - I’m liking these posts for FOSing the quick heals. in 54
I saw the heals for enchant and prohawk as just random heals but 145 set the scene for a bit of a whiplash. Why choose Prohawk with so little to go on?

Enchant - Thoughtful posts but that is also a lower read in my book because of it being so thought out and careful. Esther seems to be pocketing them which is sketchy.

Umlaut - I don't get any vibes from him that could be scummy. Complete nul at this point. Props from engaging and actually starting dialog though.

Prohawk - Worse than I am on posting and I call BS. I don't buy this “too inebriated to post” nonsense. Maybe its just being retaliatory from 73 but the previous T3 - Superficial posts and grasping at straws. In response to 80 and 81 I was going for those who were not pulling the trigger too soon on alliances. Feels like trolling to me but why?

Galron - Complete gut read from pocketing Looker and his ISO up to this point looks too superficial. I understand how ironic that is but give more reasons before you pressure others towards a coalition.

T3 - Trying to not be retaliatory and give you BoD but.. What did I ever do to you?! Don't pick on me for one single newb game. I almost want to say that I think T3 and Esther are scum buddies from the distancing from 90. Nothing to contribute towards the FOS because I haven't posted but yea, well go with it. So scummy.

Mc esther - Many hunches, 28 “I dont know why Looker is town” and sheeping along and then pushing me to join a coalition? Seems to be adding people randomly without any actual stated reasons. I like the suspicion of “maybe scum” on me in 83 because it was actually the first post that made sense. I see lurkers as scummy, myself. I used to think that there was always at least one lurker scum and one loud mouth but recent games have tossed that out the window.

Looker - 113 had be scratching my head. Yes, I've been superficial and cards to chest but that's my normal meta. I wait to have actual gut reads to share anything with the class. The one single game I played on this site was with them and it shows that exact play style. I always catch shit for it but I’d rather not get trapped in a FOS match with mafia without having any reads to respond with. Can it be seen as lazy? Absolutely. But not AI.. which, as I've said, never had the opportunity to be scum. In my defense-ish, I'd probably play the best town game of my life if given the chance. Take that as you will. My win/loose ratio has been crap and I'd like to change that. Goals to make more actual posts at least every other day. Mobile posting is frustrating.

this seems kinda superficial?

I think full reads lists this early tend to do that, but it's not a terrible analysis

[Galron]

Although t3 jumping in after a prod to say that the reads list looks superficial without saying why and then disappearing is kinda scummy.

[Galron]

@mod Enchant is listed twice for me. Do I need to hurt one?

[Galron]

If Looker isn't going to vote for himself.

HURT: looker

[Galron]

vla through 11 January

[Galron]

tbh i wish galron was here so i could sheep him

Sorry! Trying to catch up. Had a long drive yesterday and today.

[Galron]

First of all, Enchant, you are pretty.

Secondly, Looker's theory for not voting himself makes sense. To answer ProHawk, I booted him because in the likely case we don't have a town coalition, we're probably going to start limming within the coalition next phase and I think he's town and he's good at end game. So it was more a safety play than anything. That's one of the things I think we run into here. Getting a town coalition is just a little better than 50% > rand, and I place it higher with the work put into it, but not much higher, so my thinking is even if a town!Looker, a town!Enchant or a Town!t3 gets left out, that's not the end of the world. (I don't really know anyone else) I haven't seen T3's end game as town, but I've seen it as scum and it's pretty strong. So I don't mind leaving two of those three out in the hopes that at least one of them is town. And maybe that's where T3 is going with his coalition proposal by not voting himself in? Enchant, your thoughts on that would be good.

Also what happened to Andante?

[Galron]

I do want to see a VC to see where we're at because a lot of movement has happened since the last one. I think we're going to have to do some negotiating.

[Galron]

isnt that just, galron?

i dont really view it as alignment-indicative from him, he had some pretty lurky phases as town last game i played with him too. there's a slight difference there in that he made specific complaints about the gamethread in that case, but i dont think that's a huge alignment-differentiating difference.

Remind me which game that was. Sorry I don't remember off the top of my head. I do tend to have 2,3,4 days of activity then several with very little because of work kicking my ass.

[Galron]

Ahh, yes. In that case that was a part of why I dipped for awhile.

[Galron]

I haven't seen T3's end game as town, but I've seen it as scum and it's pretty strong.

I should've added in here that I assume since he's got a good scum end game he's got a good town end game.

[Galron]

Maybe you then explain, because there's no sense in collecting coalition which will bark off and dismantle from accusations.

yeah, I'll explain eventually, gotta test the waters off what I think, then if it feels like I'm right, I stay where I am and convince you all to sheep me

Well, the water's warm, so...

[Galron]

HEAL: umlaut, looker

[Galron]

but what is the coalition is all town?

obvs i dont believe galron is conftown? like, if i thought galron literally had to be town but that t3 was balance-of-probability scum, ofc i wouldnt agree to this switch.

waiting to see if there's a follow-up to the galron healpost before casting judgement lmao

Yeah sorry. Trying to do several things at once. I wanted to see a vc to see how close we were. I think now we can get this done.

[Galron]

gg townies

[Galron]

It's all yours except for me complaining about real life.

[Galron]

lol

[Galron]

Yes. There's no way I should have been dropped out. It was just bad timing for me.