Micro 1032: Baton of Desperation [Game Over]

[ratmans]

Expert sleuth here: Clemency is null but pro-town. Everyone who's posted so far is town.
Expert sleuth out

[ratmans]

Don't give it to Enchant

[ratmans]

22 is like a self evidently terrible post that should get lim'd and I afruse to explain

Can you stop being so mafia looking?

[ratmans]

Old mod Kerset
gave out a curse that
bades us to dance
to tune chosen by chance
no talent could I be worse at

[ratmans]

We won't hold it against you.

[ratmans]

22 is like a self evidently terrible post that should get lim'd and I afruse to explain

Can you stop being so mafia looking?

Ratmans/Enchant not SvS.
Isis Town.
Clemency prob town as spewed by ratman.
Wisdom town.
Darby and vulture town.
...who's left.

You have no room to call my post scum hun.

[ratmans]

Never said I think Clemency is town
I just want stick

[ratmans]

Cheeky are you town

This could easily be the

actual

buddy banter

[ratmans]

This is the worst dubiously-RVS ever

[ratmans]

Cheeky's #60 seemed too obvious scum at the time.
I wouldn't rule out Cheeky-DArby but likely not buddies with Vulture.

Cheeky town

Is #65 typical Cheeky? What do you see in it? Just provocation?

[ratmans]

Mhmm.

Mmmmhmmmm.

[ratmans]

No

[ratmans]

I don't see it but I put her above Isis

[ratmans]

No

Thoughts on Wisdom, or anyone else?

I haven't played against Wisdom town but I get the sense he's probably an agenda driven player as either alignment. Basically I won't try to sort him now.

If Enchant and one of DArby/Vulture get the baton, I'll be happy. Along with me of course.

You carrying Isis's sr (sl?) of me despite my first post being obvious jokey page 1 gut reads that hasn't gone anywhere or shown to have any hidden agenda, combined with Isis never mentioning it again, leaves a sour ass taste in my mouth. Unfortunately I can't do anything about that today, but if I can tomorrow, I will.

"Why you scumread me if Enchant is more scummy!"

Understandble, both scum caught, game was cool.

Is this meant to be directed at me

[ratmans]

Didn't realize we had another player

[ratmans]

I discarded their slot because I had no opinion and didn't realize I had no opinion because they never posted.
Now my previous opinions on the remaining players meaning almost nothing.
Fudge.

[ratmans]

Would it be mean to give the baton to Margot to prompt them to post or self destruct?

Yes but it would be funny

[ratmans]

If you say so

[ratmans]

@mod

could we get a baton extension/freeze while a replacement is being found

sure

[ratmans]

Never said I think Clemency is town

[ratmans]

That's what someone who's partners with Margot would say.
Chance says you're right though. Probably.

I think the fact that Wisdom is risking the baton blowing up on him for the chance we might get an extension is a major towntell.

[ratmans]

...the fact that Wisdom wasn't paying attention is a minor to medium-sized towntell

[ratmans]

Hmm. Chaining elim target for commute/baton probably not optimal.

I don't quite get what this is saying?

Assuming scum!elim gives to scumbuddy -> scumbuddy commutes -> town!elim gives baton to a different player -> town has has baton

After the first scum gets limmed, scum can never give baton to its own team again because there's only two scum. Just don't let the person the scum!elim gives it to upon dying be the first baton holder again.

[ratmans]

This is where it says there's two scum by the way, for people who don't read the rules. Don't jump on me.

Setup

On pregame one random player becomes Baton Holder.
During day phase Baton Holder has to post in-thread HEAL: player to another player of their choosing. The player chosen will then pass it to another player who has not yet been selected, and so on until only one player has not been passed to. The last player will be eliminated and has to select player, which will commute during following night and become first Baton Holder during following day.

Town wins, if both scum gets eliminated

or one scum gets eliminated during day 3.
Mafia wins via parity.

[ratmans]

I concur Enchant should get the baton at some point today

[ratmans]

Enchant for the last time I'm not against you.

I'm going to twiddle my thumbs until the replacement gets here because I'm a patient boy. I trust Enchant with the baton but I don't want them to give it away on a whim.

Enchant, who are you thinking about passing it to? I don't care who, I just care that you're thinking about it.

I think I was wrong about Wisdom which isn't very wise. I do think ratmans is town now.

What exactly made you trade one townread for another?

[ratmans]

@Mod

just to double make sure, the baton holder will be okay until 24 hours after someone replaces in right?

Exactly

[ratmans]

Your thought process is sound I just don't agree with the place you started at. So you're okay in my book right now.

Enchant's easier to read and doesn't look scummy yet. Also they aren't pretending they have anything to say.

[ratmans]

I only just stopped myself from handing it over right away, I feel you

[ratmans]

Same
Though Darby's proposed setup sounds fun too

[ratmans]

Our game is page top in the replacement queue now heeeeyyy

[ratmans]

cause everytime we touch
I get
this feeling
and every time we kiss
I swear
I could flyyyy

[ratmans]

HEAL: Enchant

[ratmans]

You decide

[ratmans]

mb u guys already let all the baddies escape

for shame

Thanks for replacing in Pooks. Enchant what are you thinking? It's possible the remaining 3 are town.

Did you just co-opt pookys post.

I’d like to be next but I that feels tacky to ask, regardless of alignment.

That's just playing to your win condition.

[ratmans]

HEAL: DArby

I hope it's not mistake.

Pooky would've done something stupid like giving it to Vulture over Darby, you made a good choice.
No offense Vulture.

[ratmans]

aw, I think they were just ribbing you Pooky. I know I enjoy playing with you, and I'm really glad you subbed in, even if you do go out today.

DArby does bring up a good point about Vulture in #341 though- I was just about to post an agreement with it. Do you think that's the wrong play here?
On one hand, Vulture is very probably town. On the other, they might not get any more invested than they are now.

[ratmans]

Okay. Okay.

DArby should give the baton to Pooky then.

If he gives it to Vulture I'll rule DArby out as a baton receptor D2, and I encourage others to join me. Strongarm em.

[ratmans]

Okay. Okay.

DArby should give the baton to Pooky then.

If he gives it to Vulture I'll rule DArby out as a baton receptor D2, and I encourage others to join me. Strongarm em.

Before I pass it what gives you such a strong emotion towards this? Is it Pooky’s AtE?

No, I consider that OOC and not a game play.

Wisdom gave me some ideas that might've made more sense at 2am last night than they do now, but 2am me might've been onto something.
The nature of the mechanics of this game is that pressure is trickier to enact, thus the "strong emotion".

[ratmans]

Isis is scum btw.

True facts. I won't give the baton to her either.

[ratmans]

Oh
I was implying it's one of those "but if I explicitly say why then the results of the actions I take will be tainted" kinds of things.

[ratmans]

Sorry for holding up the day, I thought that was more obvious than it is, looking back.

[ratmans]

Hey
That was my sr

[ratmans]

Also Darby's off the hook for me since Vulture didn't pan out

[ratmans]

Then don't say it?

[ratmans]

I feel I'm an odd choice for the baton holder. I had a few days to think about this and I still want to give it to Wisdom. I feel he town slipped by risking dying to wait on passing the baton for Margot to post.

It also makes sense as scum imo. The reads on me were/are split, so if he wanted to hand it off to me (the better to get townier players limmed), he'd first want to gauge whether it would look partner-y so he won't go down with me, if that's how things go later on.

Plus it's not like graciously waiting for a slot to be active is a rare camouflage tactic. Easy townpoints, you literally don't have to do anything.

"Town slip" is very generous; I wouldn't assign alignment to it. If there's something else that frames the action as towny, though, feel free to bring it up.

[ratmans]

I know that that directly contradicts previous posts of mine, but today my frontal lobe is actually working.

[ratmans]

Rat and Pooky are at the bottom of my poe starting d2. I can realistically see that as the scum team based on association. 356 is the main culprit for that. On further thought, while Pooky and Vulture were doing the same thing virtually, where it differs is where they were coming from, which I didn't account for at the time. Vulture was coming from dissatisfaction while Pooky could just as easily come in as either alignment and said what he said. This could prompt rat's 356, and his justification of 379. At the very least I was pressure here, but I think this is where my scum team is.

This is fair and I expected it, but I do implore you to take the time to explore your nulls today.

[ratmans]

"implore"
I am a fancy rat in a fancy robe
saying my fancy words

[ratmans]

I disagree with your last two paragraphs. Waiting is one thing, sure, but the timer expired. That was a direct gamble to take. There’s only 2 scum, so to take out half your team on towncred is silly.

I forgot about that. That's probably what previous-me was thinking.

Okay disregard my disregard.

[ratmans]

VOTE: isis

I'll reword that one paragraph and explain my thinking from yesterday when I'm home.

[ratmans]

Clemency?

[ratmans]

So I think my thought was kind of simple, and was based off of Wisdom's #355.
Your reaction to me pushing you was collaborative (+town), because of the position of my slot in town's reads at the time. It would've been easy to completely blow me off, but you didn't. Not saying town wouldn't do the latter, but I think it'd be the easier route for scum to take.
If vulture flipped anyway and flipped scum, I would've still been sus, but not as much as if you'd handed the baton to vulture. In fact the plan was to push you today if either of those things happened, despite only declaring intention to do that for one of those scenarios.

If vulture flipped town- which they did- you'd be clear in my book.

What MY dumb ass didn't realize at the time is that Pooky being your partner also makes sense with your reaction.
Nevertheless, you've gone from giving me 100 to near 0 paranoia, next to Clemency, but even then, he's a gut read.

If this seems stupid, that's because it is.

[ratmans]

I feel I'm an odd choice for the baton holder. I had a few days to think about this and I still want to give it to Wisdom. I feel he town slipped by risking dying to wait on passing the baton for Margot to post.

It also makes sense as scum imo. The reads on me were/are split, so if he wanted to hand it off to me (the better to get townier players limmed), he'd first want to gauge whether it would look partner-y so he won't go down with me, if that's how things go later on.

Plus it's not like graciously waiting for a slot to be active is a rare camouflage tactic. Easy townpoints, you literally don't have to do anything.

"Town slip" is very generous; I wouldn't assign alignment to it. If there's something else that frames the action as towny, though, feel free to bring it up.

Could you reword your first paragraph. Using only pronouns, I cannot gauge what you’re talking about specifically.

I disagree with your last two paragraphs. Waiting is one thing, sure, but the timer expired. That was a direct gamble to take. There’s only 2 scum, so to take out half your team on towncred is silly.

Okay, I tried rewording it. I don't know how much it matters considering I forgot that he actually

did

let the baton expire and all that, but here it is:

"Taking the risk also makes sense as scum. Town's reads on me were/are split, so if scum!Wisdom were going to pass the baton to me (both to keep me as a future mislim, and to get townier players limmed), he'd first want to gauge whether it would make he and I look partnered.
Regardless of my alignment, if Wisdom's scum, it would be risky to associate himself with me, as that could negatively his towniness in people's eyes.
Scum!Wisdom holding onto the baton instead of passing it to me immediately creates an appearance of "having to seriously consider", thus creating negative association between us, or at least less positive association than handing it to me immediately would."

....though to be honest I might've just explained why Wisdom is town.
Then again, I'm more likely to be limmed before Wisdom, so I could be his token tr.
But then there's the baton expiring thing so probably he's town.

[ratmans]

To who you say it

My bad
It was at Darby

[ratmans]

Who needs weed when you're naturally high 24/7

[ratmans]

Noooo

[ratmans]

To clarify: I’m not saying changing your own opinion is not pro-town. Quite the opposite. What I’m saying is that the difference between the posts you provided was mostly expanding on implied nouns. No new information was given outside of you acknowledging the time limit.

What I am sure of now is the scum team is absolutely not Rat and Wisdom.

I thought you did just want me to reword it.

This explanation also puts more suspicion on you. I don’t trust that by you expanding on a thought, that you’re able to change your own opinion. It’s as if you’re forming your opinion after making a case, which is not town indicative.

You never do that thing where when you finally put an idea into words, or talk the idea over with someone, you realize something about it that you didn't before?

Also I can't answer any of your other questions because the answers are simply "I wasn't thinking that hard" and "I am a little bit stupid."

[ratmans]

#473
I don't see how A leads to B here.

[ratmans]

Also don't know why you'd come up with another weird town case for Wisdom when a pretty solid one already exists.

[ratmans]

What is Pooky on right now.

[ratmans]

Isis, I already voted her.

[ratmans]

She's scummy
Go read my iso or something
And hers

[ratmans]

can i get the cliff notes?

Why do you do this to me

[ratmans]

Same, Wisdom

While technically I'd rather be picked because I know my alignment for sure, losing out to Clemency isn't the worst.

[ratmans]

Damn, D'Arby had me.
rip
Thank you mod, and thank you Pooky. I'm looking forward to seeing how this setup develops.