I still kind of find imagineality independently scummy due to more or less floating around and not having.. strong conviction over who dies exactly. Pretty much the same as SS. They both have reads but it feels like their reads could bend any which way to suit them.
Bingle has the opposite problem where he didn't really engage with worstie or reevaluate anything at all -- but I don't exactly blame him for doing that when worstie refused to engage him earlier in the game. It's a little easier to swallow, albeit a bit convenient.
Imagineality's post where he gives % chance of each player being scum and 8-ball worries me because it's the sort of thing I love to write as scum. It makes you look like you're evaluating the game from your own particular PoV and have a process but in reality you can easily mess with the numbers to get whereever you want without having to justify too much. You just operate under the guise of "This is optimal play according to my calculations". Of course, I think maximizing not hitting 8-ball and not hitting town on the surface isn't a bad idea. I just wonder if the way he did it was genuine.
Also I am probably 90% sure Bingle was 8-ball yesterday. We know it isn't me/House/worstie. SS is unlikely due to no one scumreading there vocally. And imagineality could be scum!8ball but cannot be town!8ball. Also if imagine was scum 8!ball it's still good to kill him. Reason I bring this up is that imagineality was perfectly set up to kill Bingle and win the game yesterday had me or the worst commited to that scumread, I feel.
I also also really didn't get the Bingle/worst scumteam theory, to be honest. I don't know if that's so much scummy as me not understanding -- but as a theory it just seemed really unlikely to me and it surprised me imagine had that as his most likely scenario.
Hm, hm, hm.. I think that's all I can remember on imagine. Early in the day he went after Bingle, later SS. (And obviously he was fine with worst too). Who the likely partner would be, I don't know yet. There's a lot of distancing from both if imagine is scum.
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Bingle has really scummy votes this game. Like they're really bad. The D1 vote on Ali had strange justification (although not as bad as I originally thought). The hammer on Wisdom was blatantly really bad. And the hard tunnel on worst where he kept treating D3 worst like he was D1 worst was really unfortunate. For example, he kept acting like worstie was shading him when he wasn't (
1205).
Maybe it was caused by the V/LA, I dunno. Bingle fell off and I kinda thought it was possible SS was actually town which would make the team imagine/Bingle.
Bingle doesnt really have convictions towards imagine or SS because he was so busy with worst. He could go either way as far as I can remember. Even though he assumed worst was with one
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SS kind of wants to keep House on the table which is a little odd to me but not a dealbreaker. I've kind of gone over how his play is scummy but like yes he does have a tendency to play in some of these ways normally (not voicing his reads loudly or swaying the thread, etc). I think his mechanical strategy of hiding reads didn't really make any sense at all and only benefitted scum!him.
I feel like a lot of his defenses were "I wouldn't play this way because it looks scummy but this is my town game i always play" which doesn't really strike me as a super great defense since he could always invoke that as scum anyway. At best his tactics might be NAI but I'm not sure I could reasonably call him towny.
He had a correct townread on TW, the only player in the game that i can remember doing so. Why exactly he was so certain worstie was town, I'm not sure I'd have to review. He thought worstie was townier than me and also townread worst way harder than me yet I felt like i was fighting alone for worst there. Seriously, if SS is town he coulda helped a little more presenting his reasoning rather than watching it go, no?
There's actually a pretty interesting SS/imagine/Bingle interaction starting page 40, post
995. Lemme summarize:
At this moment in time, there is 1 vote for Bingle/SS/imagine.
995 - SS has imagineality as his highest scumread. He says that imagine is the most likely to pick Wisdom as the 8-ball and was also Wisdom's biggest suspect. He says that Bingle is playing an unimpressive game and lolhammered the 8-ball for no reason.
997 - Imagine asks SS why he thinks imagine is most likely to pick Wisdom for 8-ball
1010 - Bingle replies to a related post of SS's. SS says that imagine's push on him is suspicious and makes him(ss) wonder if he is the 8-ball. He justifies this by saying imagine has SS as his bottom read and unlikely 8-ball.
Bingle replies by saying "No, he has me and worst as scummier than you. You misread the readslist"
SS realizes that he did and his point on imagineality is unfounded.
why do i think this interaction is important? Uhhhh well it seems to me like SS genuinely thought imagine was pushing him there. Look in
955 -- it sounds like imagine has SS the lowest. But then in
958, imagine maths out Worst and Bingle as scummier than SS. SS only responds to the first, not realizing that imagineality is in fact not pushing him at that time
It seems.. distinctly not partnered to me, I guess. Maybe I'm reaching though. How do you mix up whether or not you're getting bussed and have to be corrected by a townie?