Micro 1028: True Love (Game over)

[HockeyFan]

Hi gamers, sorry for arriving late

I'm not claiming lovers atm since I dont think its beneficial

VOTE: Cows

^ This is scum btw

[HockeyFan]

Why do you think it is not beneficial?

At least not beneficial early game for reasons u said in 33. More time for discussion = better.

[HockeyFan]

A meme vote, me and cows share the same homesite, so i've played with him alot. its a RVS vote/read, dont put too much stock into it. Your reaction to this "sus" seems odd tho. Too early to call pairs but eh.

[HockeyFan]

Stop solving the game cows >:(. Also, why are u so focused on whos not paired with Dunnstral? Im aware thats been the only topic of discussion so far, but you're really keying into pairs for Dunnstral specifically

[HockeyFan]

hai
How do you guys feel about claiming lovers?

idt scum launches themselves into thread disucssion this early. Idk what Wisdom's scum range /is/ but idt he does this as scum(same goes for 21 and 23). 41 seems odd and early of defending of cows is ??, but i think thats null rn. Overall, a slight TL for wisodm

hello i am soft fluffy bunny rabbit
ill trust wisdoms judgment about claiming lovers, im paired with aristeia

Think this tone is town

Cows's entrence is weird to me. His first 2 "game-solving" posts are just stating "XXX is not paired with Dunnstral". Like I still dont get it. Is dunnstral your scum buddy or smth?

[HockeyFan]

Think this tone is town

explain pls?

cant really explain it well since its a gut/tonal read but " soft fluffy bunny rabbit" seems town. Like sayign that just makes me think of town

[HockeyFan]

why do those words make you think "town" ?

Those words make me think bunny's feelings/mood is happy, like they're calm, they're here to enjoy the game? Its a strech I know, but its why I think it's town

[HockeyFan]

Cows's entrence is weird to me. His first 2 "game-solving" posts are just stating "XXX is not paired with Dunnstral". Like I still dont get it. Is dunnstral your scum buddy or smth?

wanna watch me box myself in?

yes do it so i can wtach u flip scum

[HockeyFan]

why do those words make you think "town" ?

Those words make me think bunny's feelings/mood is happy, like they're calm, they're here to enjoy the game? Its a strech I know, but its why I think it's town

You do know there are players who enjoy being scum, yes?

Eh, the player itself doesn't factor too much into this read. This tone in general is town

why do those words make you think "town" ?

Those words make me think bunny's feelings/mood is happy, like they're calm, they're here to enjoy the game? Its a strech I know, but its why I think it's town

I'm unsure how those words make you feel bunny is happy?

Fluffy is something postivie, so is the word "soft". It portrays a "happyish mood". This disucsiion is based on semantics over a read I had thats not even that strong(I said it was tonal/gut)and I think its pointless.

[HockeyFan]

cows can u expand on what u meant in 54

[HockeyFan]

Hi gamers, sorry for arriving late

I'm not claiming lovers atm since I dont think its beneficial

VOTE: Cows

^ This is scum btw

Why do you think it is not beneficial?

At least not beneficial early game for reasons u said in 33. More time for discussion = better.

How does that give us more time for discussion though

Less mecahnics talk, the better. Also mafia can get burnt by pushing a s/s pair illogicaly when they're actually lovers

cows can u expand on what u meant in 54

if me and dunn are scum and i continue to rule out dunn pairs then eventually i'll "box myself in" and have only myself as paired with dunn

W

Ok, but my intrepetation of your posts was "Dunn cant be paired with these people, therefore hes town!!" Also, just because you think Dunn is not paired with XXX doesnt mean others do so im not sure how you would "box yourself in". Are you assuming town is gonna sheep you on your reads?

[HockeyFan]

scum can do this no? Just remove all the pairs, say "im town", therefore Dunnstral is paired with ......... NO ONE!!. Also you've anti-paired Dunn with 2 people, so idk what u mean by "boxing" yourself in atm. You can very well in the future pair dunnstral with some random townie and push the random townie instead

[HockeyFan]

VOTE: bunny

Lets get some wagons going actually, they might help

Sure. VOTE: RedTea, someone that I dont really TR rn

its kinda making something out of nothing, i would have very likely posted the same opening as scum
which as i say that i can see rationale for that being a town behavior

Thats how you start discussions/get the game moving

I think cows is town(I like his reads although I do agree that not having a read on Wisdom is ??(i think bunny said this)). As for Wisdom, Im putting him in TL for now. Ari maybe town?(not confidnet on this at all). I dont have a read on N_M as he hanst posted much in thread/PT. N_M did say in PT tho thats hes not intrested in townhunting because of too much effort and I think lack of effort matches pretty well with his town meta.

[HockeyFan]

N_M did say in PT tho thats hes not intrested in townhunting because of too much effort and I think lack of effort matches pretty well with his town meta.

could you talk a bit about the amount of effort he's showing is similar to the other games you've played with him? (first thing that comes to mind is the popcorn game, unsure what else)

uhhh, I havent played much games with him(other then popcorn), but I've specced a few of his games(cant recall of top of my head), and he puts /some/ effort as scum. In popcorn I think his play was tryhardish but again, not alot of effort

[HockeyFan]

Spoiler: Aristeia sr

hello friends

I am in love with this adorable bunny

if someone gets a firm read on bunny I would be most indebted to you <3

This doesn't look like something town would say. If it was pure shitpost maybe, but as it stands it's just reiterating how town is supposed to play this game anyway. Of course we should be suspecting our partners and listening to people's opinions. The game mechanics explicitly say we need to be doing so.

I don't think Bunny has done anything AI in the PT so far and I remain moderately paranoid.

And this would be somewhat questionable on its own, but with the above- it doesn't get any more LAMIST than this.

I don't feel anything tbh

I'd think it would claim I am its lover regardless of alignment

I trust Dunn's mech skills

This reads as being informed.

Yeah the point was that you said you trust Dunn's mech skills so you would claim (if I understood correctly) but Dunn didn't claim so you probably shouldn't either if you trust Dunn

I don't know if Wisdom is having the same line of thought as me here but is good support for the "ari is informed" angle

I have no quallers with this scumcase, dont really agree with the read itself but i think scumcase is pretty good. 1 thing tho. Can you expand on what you mean by "informed"? Also I tr Aristeria mainly because of tone? Idfk again, Its not a very concrete read but posts like 104, 127 and 174 make me feel better about Ari
,

cows and ari are scumbuddies. i've solved it, no need to thank me, but I do take tips

Cyclone 2.0(this is for cows only)

Hockey #52
I don't know if I'd tl him for that, because while it's maybe in mafia's best interest to keep lover pairings a secret, if claims tend to happen early anyway, and he's played this setup a couple times, then scum might as well try for town cred. So that in itself isn't AI to me.
BUT his follow-ups with people, especially Ari, about the topic, have me tl'ing him, now that I'm properly reading all this.
Seeing that as "defending" cows is weird to me but w/e.

Also think Cow is sus as hell, not sure exactly what he's playing at irt Dunn.

And this post and the follow-ups is the weird gut read on bunny I was talking about like what

Hockey #42
Tell me why it seems odd? Because your post doesn't look like it actually means anything.

I said it seemed odd because i intrepeted wisdom's post as "why are you sussing cows", when that vote wasnt even meant to be a serious vote and was my first post of the game, so wisdom reaching that conclusion was super ??

[HockeyFan]

god white looks so bad on the silver theme lol

[HockeyFan]

id like something more than platitudes

i'll have to see if i can fit that into my schedule

readslist time?

hockey

bnuuy

--blob of unreasonable (but ordered) nullness. my scumpartner is here

redtea
dunn
wisdom
NM

--

ari

(and for different reasons than redtea oh god i am g aming)

If you agree with redtea's SR, why are they in null for u?

[HockeyFan]

If you agree with redtea's SR, why are they in null for u?

i think simply agreeing with people's content is an easy trap to fall into when trying to find town

but you and i
we MINDMELDED

To your first point, fair. But imo you should have some definitive read on him, wheter it be TL, SL, SR, TR e.t.c if you agree with thier content
where exactly did we mindmeld btw?

[HockeyFan]

sigh

14 pages...

Ok, so I think Wisdom/Ari is either scum theatre or theres 1 scum between them. Not sure who tho just yet.

Cows is town because reasosn(cant really explain them since its more to do with meta)

hey @cows, do u any sort of read on Dunnstral? Cuz I have no fking clue this guys alligment

N_M is null rn because lack of posts.(nothing in PT either)

honestly, I do think redtea is town because of the way wisdom/ari talked about his scumcase

[HockeyFan]

VOTE: dunn

Sure, lets see what happens

Now where tf did this vote come from. You only mentioned Dunn once in your iso and were mainly pushing/sring bunny in 172 and post 259. Post 265(down below) was the only time u mentioned dunn as a SR to u so how much has that read developed/why did u not want to push that slot more?

The bunny/Dunn exchange about the pair semantics felt a little awkward and unnecessary

I could see Dunn being a bunny buddy

[HockeyFan]

almost tempted to vote here even tho i think bunny/wisdom r mafia

And......... Dunnstral is not a lover pair with any of them. You do realize that if we condemm a town pair(T/T lover pair), we lose right. So why did u throw out 2 names, and suddnely say u want to lim dunn(whos paired with neither).

[HockeyFan]

Oh, I forgot this was nightless. 343 still looks super ??? tho

[HockeyFan]

I mean tbh, Im semi-confident that the cows/Dunnstral pair is T/T lol

[HockeyFan]

dunn hasnt done anything bad in PT or in thread
i explicitly want redtea's input on the wagon

dunnstral isn't even here yet

i cant believe i have to say this but dont lolhammer dunn

whats your read on dunn in general

[HockeyFan]

Ari re; your Wisdom case, Im trying to townhunt rn so i ddint pay attention too much to it, but going over it, there seems to be 4 major posts

291/300 are good points since Wisdom isnt attempting to sort his partner. Iirc wisdom's read on redtea is all over the place so fair.

Can you elaborate on 294. How does it seem non-comittal to you? He gave the opinion of "I dont like this case"

313 also doesnt make much sense to me but maybe its cuz im reading it out of context. Idt speaking in "generalities" is nesecrailly bad? I do think wisdom has reason to ask why u think its bad because the reasons for thinking its bad might be different. Last 2 points, fair.

I like the progression of this scumcase ftr, but Im not /yet/ fully convinced Wisdom is scum.

Also, 354 seems like frustrated town.

but yea im trying to townhunt as i said earlier, and idk why cows is voting dunn but still think those 2 slots are town in terms of content. Cows "resolving" someone they null read by voting them seems eh.

I think NM is also town

[HockeyFan]

wait lol, 1 thing, i tr mine/NM pair and cows/dunnstral pairs so do we just win after we condemm bnnuy/ari and wisdom/redtea lol? I mean those 4 have some sort of consenus pressure so idk why anyone would be opposed to that(im aware current wagon is on Dorsey but eh)

[HockeyFan]

i tr mine/NM pair

explain your NM tr

Honestly its more of a meta/gut read. The meta being that I think N_M tried harder as scum.

Admittely, his iso is a bit devoid of content but I think there are some points in his ISO which are townyish

them being

12- Town tonal gut read

336- idt N_M comes back to thread with a read that hant been discussed in thread yet. Like the read was pretty far out there, and idt scum!N_M does that

[HockeyFan]

The meta being that I think N_M tried harder as scum.

Can you provide evidence for this meta-read?

Uh not really specific games, sorry. Like im talking about generally in all games N_M plays he has his signature opening, then makes a bunch of meme/filler posts/everyso often a read. However, I would think he tries a bit harder as scum since hes a LHF and easy limbait for scum.

[HockeyFan]

i tr mine/NM pair

explain your NM tr

Honestly its more of a meta/gut read. The meta being that I think N_M tried harder as scum.

Admittely, his iso is a bit devoid of content but I think there are some points in his ISO which are townyish

them being

12- Town tonal gut read

336- idt N_M comes back to thread with a read that hant been discussed in thread yet. Like the read was pretty far out there, and idt scum!N_M does that

thats pretty out there
this sounds like scum self-preservation ngl

Huh? Wdym by this

[HockeyFan]

personally i wouldnt try to sort nm rn anyway for obvious reasons

wdym not sort "rn". Whats gonna be the difference in N_M's playstyle rn and like the next few days. You have to sort them at some point

"wdym by this" what did you mean by tr'ing a lurker enough to call the game solved

I sr other people's pairs so ......yes?

The meta being that I think N_M tried harder as scum.

Can you provide evidence for this meta-read?

Uh not really specific games, sorry. Like im talking about generally in all games N_M plays he has his signature opening, then makes a bunch of meme/filler posts/everyso often a read.

However, I would think he tries a bit harder as scum since hes a LHF and easy limbait for scum.

no i'm not sure i get this, i got the opposite impression when i looked at their games. at the very least it's NAI and you should look at something else

lemme figure out how to link ISOs real quick

Sure, my bolded thing may be a bit of an exaggeration, w/e, i still think scum is in other pairs. What else am i supposed to look at btw

[HockeyFan]

Nope. To be honest, our PT hasnt been used much yet

[HockeyFan]

[quote="In post 391, redtea"]@hockey if i dont trust there is a playstyle alignement indicator here myself and it's a weak one even for you, why would I be talking about that. I'm talking about content. Apparently, according to cows, that takes some time, but I'll wait.

And I am not content to sit and let me or Wisdom be limmed today or tomorrow,

not with what info and reads I have.[

/quote]

would be great if you do whats said in bolded!!

[HockeyFan]

wut why did that not quote

[HockeyFan]

VOTE: readtea

[HockeyFan]

i have mixed feelings about your game pool sample cows but wtv. I might look into nm's games myself.

so if hes somewhat underposting(i think?) is that not all the reason more to either wait or pressure more content

i think there's nothing wrong with the games i linked besides the fact that there's not enough of them

mini normal - scum game

newbie - VT game

open (popcorn) - conftown TPR game
so if bolded is the closest posting pattern he's taking right now than we can start with a light townlean on them

he already gave content in the form of a scumread and it got pushed to E-2. i asked you for thoughts on it and you said "don't quickhammer dunn lol"
if you have NM's posts in mind and the idea that you need more from them then this event shouldn't be as unimportant to you as you show it is

where did u link games

[HockeyFan]

i have mixed feelings about your game pool sample cows but wtv. I might look into nm's games myself.

so if hes somewhat underposting(i think?) is that not all the reason more to either wait or pressure more content

i think there's nothing wrong with the games i linked besides the fact that there's not enough of them

mini normal - scum game

newbie - VT game

open (popcorn) - conftown TPR game
so if bolded is the closest posting pattern he's taking right now than we can start with a light townlean on them

he already gave content in the form of a scumread and it got pushed to E-2. i asked you for thoughts on it and you said "don't quickhammer dunn lol"
if you have NM's posts in mind and the idea that you need more from them then this event shouldn't be as unimportant to you as you show it is

where did u link games

[HockeyFan]

Ok i re-read bnnuy's iso and i think its town. Hmm is it really {Ari/Wisodm(cuz they're never alligned here) + one of readtea/Dunnstral?

If its not obvious, Dunnstral's lack of posting recently has made me not ...TR them.

Ok possible pairs within these 4

Wisdom/Redtea can not be possible
Wisdom/Ari is hm, it still felt like scum theatre earlier but Im willing to chalk it down to T/S
Wisdom/Dunnstral, honestly, this is a possible scum team

Ari/redtea doesnt make much sense here but it is likely?
Ari/Dunnstral is also a ?? pair im not certain on but again, it can exist

Honestly, Im fine with sheeping N_M and just limming Dunnstral atm since hes in most mafia pairs for me

VOTE: Dunn

[HockeyFan]

Ok i re-read bnnuy's iso and i think its town. Hmm is it really {Ari/Wisodm(cuz they're never alligned here) + one of readtea/Dunnstral?

If its not obvious, Dunnstral's lack of posting recently has made me not ...TR them.

Ok possible pairs within these 4

Wisdom/Redtea can not be possible
Wisdom/Ari is hm, it still felt like scum theatre earlier but Im willing to chalk it down to T/S
Wisdom/Dunnstral, honestly, this is a possible scum team

Ari/redtea doesnt make much sense here but it is likely?
Ari/Dunnstral is also a ?? pair im not certain on but again, it can exist

Honestly, Im fine with sheeping N_M and just limming Dunnstral atm since hes in most mafia pairs for me

VOTE: Dunn

me when
spend entire game ruling out pairs for dunn only for this post to happen
but some of it actually does check out. i think dunn's only aligned with wisdom or redtea with emphasis on the latter. figure out if it makes sense or not

me when
your anti-pairings are wrong.

Btw, has your read on Dunn developed any further? U probs have but i cant find it

[HockeyFan]

lol, honestly 427 could be a possible scenario. I think the posting of readtea/cows(or "interaction") seems town? ehhh im too wayy too conflicted rn lol, just lim dunn and go from there :^)

[HockeyFan]

Ok i re-read bnnuy's iso and i think its town.

quote some posts that you like?
(aside from the opening :^])

your anti-pairings are wrong.

tell me more about ari and dunn being a pair, that's the only thing i'm caught up on

otherwise your pairs seem Fine

nm's reason is nm likes attention
nm is a lot of things and just kind of like that

thinking about the game pool comment, do you have games played with NM?

Btw, has your read on Dunn developed any further? U probs have but i cant find it

dunn is true null
aside from the fact that well, zero associatives exaggerated by the fact that another NM-1 wagon is going to form on him
like if dunn actually does flip red you salivate at that opportunity because you have extremely solid condemns for tomorrow
but you gotta wonder if it's that easy
dunn's town because of everything surrounding him but i've gotten zero...... from his actual posting

1. It having the same reads as me(

and it pocketing me

)
2. There is almost like no interaction between Ari/Dunn and i think that could be partner-indicatve
4. the chances cows comes up with a read on Dunn are the same chances of me winning the lottery

[HockeyFan]

2. There is almost like no interaction between Ari/Dunn and i think that could be partner-indicatve

while not interactions between the two, did ari's opening posts not do it for you?

i think dunn's only aligned with wisdom or redtea with emphasis on the latter.

this is pretty close to my hero solve

interested

Thier early game interactions were about ari trusting dunn's mechaincs talk right? eh idt that makes them "upartnerd" in fact, it makes them look more partner lol

[HockeyFan]

dunn essentially said "ok, me and my lover have matching outfits" and everyone was like
"hmmmmmm, wonder what that means"

like if everyone that was active brushed past #16 if it's super likely scum!dunn claimed their lover in scumchat by then, then it's pretty safe to rule those people out

me reading this part of your post be like



What do you mean its safe to "rule" people out by not commenting on 16. that makes no sense lol.

[HockeyFan]

Something feels off about Dunn barely showing thread presence and not interacting much with thread....

[HockeyFan]

Also aaa i just want a flip, can we lim dunn

[HockeyFan]

wait what, holy shit is N_M actually scum here LMAO? Like Out of there 3 pairs, theres only 1 t/t pair any I /think/ its the dunn/cows one? Idk im just gonna vote off scum today and worry about this later

VOTE: redtea

[HockeyFan]

wait what, holy shit is N_M actually scum here LMAO?

I also dislike this
Hockey supposedly was against bunny/Ari containing scum, so I dont understand where this surprise comes from
Its like its faked to give a "look at me worrying about my lover" feeling
Which he then ignores and votes elsewhere
I feel like town hockey would take some time to consider all scenarios before that vote, especially after Dunn's vote there[/quote

What? Ok so I never called bunny/ari t/t lol, i actually SR ari a bit there.

SO, when ari flips town i was like ??? because i still think cows/dunn is T/T(as i said yday), soo N_M being scum is now a possibility lol

I voted somewhere else cuz im more confident in that pair containing scum

[HockeyFan]

wait what, holy shit is N_M actually scum here LMAO?

I also dislike this
Hockey supposedly was against bunny/Ari containing scum, so I dont understand where this surprise comes from
Its like its faked to give a "look at me worrying about my lover" feeling
Which he then ignores and votes elsewhere
I feel like town hockey would take some time to consider all scenarios before that vote, especially after Dunn's vote there

What? Ok so I never called bunny/ari t/t lol, i actually SR ari a bit there.

SO, when ari flips town i was like ??? because i still think cows/dunn is T/T(as i said yday), soo N_M being scum is now a possibility lol

I voted somewhere else cuz im more confident in that pair containing scum[/quote]

fixed version ^

[HockeyFan]

hockey, can you tell me about the shift from openly casting suspicion on dunn two days ago to sheeping them today?

what? I never openly casted suspicion on dunn. I called u guys T/T yday

[HockeyFan]

Something feels off about Dunn barely showing thread presence and not interacting much with thread....

Also aaa i just want a flip, can we lim dunn

hockey, can you tell me about the shift from openly casting suspicion on dunn two days ago to sheeping them today?

what? I never openly casted suspicion on dunn. I called u guys T/T yday

TRUE

PHOTOSHOP. thats photoshop. ngl i complelty forogt i sussed dunn yday(it was probs cuz of N_M wanting dunn lmfao), i'll visit dunn more later, i still want red/wisom gone

[HockeyFan]

Cows, what is your GTH solve

[HockeyFan]

o shit cows finally made a read on dunn? k cows town

[HockeyFan]

what makes u sr dunn @cows

[HockeyFan]

Ok wisdom is town from his recent posting and hes not like lazily voting redtea or dunn and instead engaging>

So Wisdom town? Cows town leaves redtea/N_M/Dunn maybe?

redtea/N_M is likely since N_M's only content has been focusing on Dunn
Dunn/N_M is not likely cuz of reason above
Redtea/Dunn seems unlikely cuz of Dunn putting a nked vote on redtea but it could be a bus

Thats where im at rn

[HockeyFan]

Everything in wisdoms' iso after 544. Tbh I forgot that eh voted dunn but point still stands aboiut engaging with thread and not going with consensus with little reason

[HockeyFan]

for melo you sure seem to be taking things lightly

I found 2 town in cows/Wisdom, and honestly after this, I do not care who gets condemmed although i want u gone first. I cbf to "towncase" wisdom since like i put in all this work to towncase wisdom, and he ends up dying anyways after u flip scum. Also, whats your read on wisdom? cant really fidn anything except a "sr" of wisdom in 509/10 and u actually trd wisdom a bit in 391

[HockeyFan]

wait what, holy shit is N_M actually scum here LMAO? Like Out of there 3 pairs, theres only 1 t/t pair any I /think/ its the dunn/cows one? Idk im just gonna vote off scum today and worry about this later

hocks did you and NM talk at all the night ari/bnuuy died

Nope. I asked a question about N_M's thoughts on gamestate in general (not that night) but i never got a reponse. Our pt has a solid 6 posts, actually gaming tbh

[HockeyFan]

for melo you sure seem to be taking things lightly

Also re this: I apoglize if i am. I came into this(and still am) thinking this was sorta a half memish/half serious game that was over in like 10 pages. But like wisdom interactions seem super towny. Its also moreso of the fact that the only wisdom pair i can think of my mind rn that /makes/ some sense is wisdom/N_M. also to me it really doesnt matter if wisdom's scum here since they just die after u die

[HockeyFan]

okay I'm not done but does anyone else think it's really fucking weird that Hockey nulls NM #333,
townreads him #367,
apparently townreads him so hard the game is solved #373 (specifically says "i tr mine/NM pair and cows/dunnstral pairs so do we just win"),
calls the NM tr a meta/gutread here #375 (says the Dunn SR is far out but doesn't think scum!NM does that) and here #378,
later says the game is solved not because of his townreads but his scum reads #385, even calling his NM townread an exaggeration, but "still thinks scum is in other pairs"

I've criticized some of this before but how is town lacking this much skepticism

The shift from 333 to 367 comes from N_M posting content in terms of limming dunn. All of these quotes were all on d1 before I knew the Ari/bnuuy was a T/T pair. I entered d2 putting sus on N_M ftr. As per lack of skepticism, im sorry, im semi-confident in my reads this game

[HockeyFan]

VOTE: nm

Since all of dunn, cows and hockey are saying redtea's buddy is there you should have no problem with this lim, right?

VOTE: N_M

Wisdom, who do u think is N_M's buddy here?

[HockeyFan]

Honestly, not very content with that answer, why would N_m's only content be of bussing his partner

[HockeyFan]

Damm, thats like 3 ppl from different lover pairs that have said its redtea/NM

lol. It could be NM/Dunn. @cows, do u have any objections on this pair/why they're not paired

[HockeyFan]

Ik earlier they probs arent paired because of whole NM's whole content thing only being on dunn but eh it could have been too weak of a read lol. NM not having muhc thread presence at all when redtea is under fire is odd tho

[HockeyFan]

i said*

[HockeyFan]

Damm, thats like 3 ppl from different lover pairs that have said its redtea/NM

lol. It could be NM/Dunn. @cows, do u have any objections on this pair/why they're not paired

Ik earlier they probs arent paired because of whole NM's whole content thing only being on dunn but eh it could have been too weak of a read lol. NM not having muhc thread presence at all when redtea is under fire is odd tho

why is there an expectation that mafia NM will come to their scumbuddy's aid, is it meta?
in the world of NM/red there'd probably be pushing dunnstral more instead of doing any defending but they already locked themselves out of that possibility when they refused to give a case after redtea asked for one
i'm not exactly considering this pair right now, but he plays so wildly differently than me that this feels like something i should keep revisiting

Im saying it as a general thing. Scum doesnt want thier buddy gone unless they get to get thier narrative out

NM not having muhc thread presence at all when redtea is under fire is odd tho

Nm didnt have any thread presence the whole game, doubt that means anything

Fair, but i think hes has even less now

[HockeyFan]

ok, idm getting condemmed today, but like, if N_M is scum, pls dont condemm either of dunn/cows ty, cuz they're not paired with N_M here IMO

[HockeyFan]

Like, the only thing Im concerned about rn and might make me unvote is wisdunn(as cows pointed) or dunn/red. Gonna see how legitmate those pairs are later tonight cuz ftr these pairs are made off is the fact that I tr cows

[HockeyFan]

wait dunn has already comitted to voting N_M tho so all he has to do is come here and hammer if those 2 are paired. ugh, ok fine im ruling out dunn/redtea

[HockeyFan]

which really leaves NM + Dunn, NM + Wisdom or NM + redtea or wisdunn, fuck

NM/Dunn not likely, dt scum puts thier buddy to E-1. so RULING this out
Wisdom/N_M can seem likely as wisdom is trying to salvage the situation by bussing
NM/redtea still seems ??? for me
wisdunn as said, i will come back to later

so sorry for going in circles, but these are 3 main pairs im looking at rn

Wisdom/N_M
NM/redtea
wisdunn

[HockeyFan]

Ok, iso time for wisdunn

7 and 8 seems like an odd interaction but dt its a paired interacton. 25 seems to be indirectly shading dunn while also trying to undemine the claim strat that dunn proposed earlier. lmao 118 more implied shade to Dunn. post 145 DOES seem like a partnery interaction tho, helping his scum buddy not make an akward push. 265 isnt paired imo. 268 is NAI. 275 could come from scum!wisdom wanting to know if his partners scum case is "good" or w/e but I think it comes from a sorta anti pair, cuz wouldnt dunn tell the case in mafia PT first? 275 comes from. Naked votes such as 337 are once again NAI. Post 469 seems super ???. like ok, ig u can reaction test your scum buddy but lmfao i really want to know whats going through the mind of wisdom if hes making these posts towards his scumbuddies. Wisdom slowly trying to build towncred and getting away with tring his partner in 479 seems odd tho. 511, 544 seems anti paired.

ok too lazy to read rest

TLDR: For the most part they are anti paired, with a few specks of pairing in there. Could wisdunn be a possbillity? Yes. but they're not my lim for today /i think/. In fact im more confident in ONLY one of them being scum which kinda fucks everything over with my redtea read. ffs UNVOTE: for now. Like dunn/redtea isnt team, so could it be wisdom/redtea? hmmmm

[HockeyFan]

My vote will probs be back up later tonight, just gonna iso wistea sometimes later:). We probs just lim N_M tho

[HockeyFan]

IMAGINE STEALING MY PAGETOP

[HockeyFan]

Right, Forgot about that mb

VOTE: N_M

[HockeyFan]

also @cows, can u explain why u think its wisdunn?

[HockeyFan]

cows/N_M kek

[HockeyFan]

cows reformed

[HockeyFan]

Ok, iso time for wisdunn

7 and 8 seems like an odd interaction but dt its a paired interacton. 25 seems to be indirectly shading dunn while also trying to undemine the claim strat that dunn proposed earlier.

this seems to me more like putting suspicion on/questioning ari to me.

275 could come from scum!wisdom wanting to know if his partners scum case is "good" or w/e but I think it comes from a sorta anti pair, cuz wouldnt dunn tell the case in mafia PT first?

Who's to say he didn't?

all in all- my guy- scumreading your buddy isn't an anti-pair signifier.
Like in the long run, wisdom simply doesn't seem willing to lim dunn today. Like why isn't dunn dead rn is what I wanna know

Fair, but i think early game interactions say enough, could it be a distance? possibly, but idt thats case

[HockeyFan]

rip, should have listend to cows on wisdunn . Probs should've listned to redtea/N_M and just limmed Dunn lol, dk why i didnt, N_M's just naturally sus to me sadge. Anyways gg wp

[HockeyFan]

rip, should have listend to cows on wisdunn . Probs should've listned to redtea/N_M and just limmed Dunn lol, dk why i didnt, N_M's just naturally sus to me sadge. Anyways gg wp