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Post #1741 (isolation #203) » Wed Sep 15, 2021 4:39 am
Postby innocentvillager »
also I forgot where but I am genuinely sorry if you thought I was patronizing you that was not my intention and I can see how it could come off that way
yeah horrendous hammer if scum it literally makes no sense there was plenty of time and literally Ali could've just told George to claim asap
the chance of winning is way too small. no scum in their right mind would go into night without knowing who the PRs are - also Ali would've shot STD which was clearly wrong so scum!Ali didn't just know who the PRs were. Ali is good scum and probably would've made george claim earlier or yelled at him to claim before hammering. pending dwlee accepting death in the Ali vs Dwlee 1v1 i think im probablyyyyy good with this
dwlee can you talk about how Ali being scum here makes sense in this context? why would Ali hammer partner without getting him to claim it just seems like so ridiculous if he is scum
i honestly think the bus gambit by you or Datisi is far more probable than what Ali did
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Post #1743 (isolation #205) » Wed Sep 15, 2021 4:43 am
Postby innocentvillager »
I think ur back off is normally scummy but actually thinking about it more do kind of consider it a positive because it demonstrates to me that when u “popped off” you didn’t really feel as tho you solved who was scum u Were just getting into it I guess? idk
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Post #1744 (isolation #206) » Wed Sep 15, 2021 4:46 am
Postby innocentvillager »
In post 1732, Datisi wrote:@iv can you not shade for low effort i've been sick as shit the past three days, also what low effort i've been around constantly
that’s fine if u were sick hope u feel better Datisi!
it just feels like you went “oh my god this game is so hard I hate it” then disappeared for a day or 2
which almost felt a bit like u were faking emotions and just letting the rest of us duke it out while u chilled/waited for ur move
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Post #1748 (isolation #207) » Wed Sep 15, 2021 5:14 am
Postby innocentvillager »
Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1742, innocentvillager wrote:dwlee can you talk about how Ali being scum here makes sense in this context? why would Ali hammer partner without getting him to claim it just seems like so ridiculous if he is scum
i honestly think the bus gambit by you or Datisi is far more probable than what Ali did
Exactly because it's ridiculous is a reason to do it. I also think scum!ali here has in mind that he can no-kill to avoid any guilties and then ask for mass claim to get PRs to out themselves. Which is exactly what happened. If George claimed something then maybe Ali could have killed the jailkeeper one night sooner but no-kill into asking for mass claim outs the jailkeeper and can get a mislim.
I mean why can’t the same be said for datisi’s bus on George (which he did try to back out of last minute)
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Post #1749 (isolation #208) » Wed Sep 15, 2021 5:16 am
Postby innocentvillager »
Ali’s action very clearly and definitively hurts scum wincon, whereas your and Datisi’s actually probably hurt scum wincon in general but not for sure and you can use it as a good anti associative if ppl switch to me instead later after you get the strongman off? idk I’m just saying if anything it feels more like a questionable gamble by you or Datisi but suicide for scum!Ali
In post 1740, innocentvillager wrote:uh I have to say I am surprised? what specifically changed for you about me?
You feel townie and I don't have enough paranoia about you to hard question it. If you were pooky I would have just vote parked you.
I mean yes my scumgame is really bad but how would u know
or is it just that I am an unknown to you whereas pooky is really good at scum
also, you said you like hated my whole play for 3 entire days (ur words) and suddenly I feel townie and you don’t have enough paranoia of me anymore? im very confused
In post 1748, innocentvillager wrote:I mean why can’t the same be said for datisi’s bus on George (which he did try to back out of last minute)
considering you've had the front seat to seeing how i bus and how i transition from bussing to saving a teammate, part of me wants to kill you just for this line alone
which on one hand i know is kind of unreasonable because would i really do the same thing twice but on the other come on
1) you kind of answered it yourself, why should I expect you to act the same with a partner from a game from almost a year ago to how you might act around George here
2) honestly I’m not too sure what exactly what ur approach was with me last time and whst ur referring to? Are you referring to pushing me then ultimately getting gypyx killed on D1? can you explain why ur flabbergasted that I’m not getting some reference
like the fact of the matter here is one of you bussed George. It seems pretty bad as a default to bus the strongman n1 but given that you’re all still here I needed to rethink - that was one reason I had u guys as townish over Nor for example
I agree that in general leading the charge on George is town!indicative for you no matter what but so is Ali’s hammer and so is dwlee’s all in sheep I am just trying to figure out which is the most plausible of the three and I’ve explained why I think Ali’s action is ultimately the most Town indicative
also that quote was in the context of dwlee’s argument against you
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Post #1764 (isolation #211) » Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:49 am
Postby innocentvillager »
In post 1761, Alisae wrote:To me Dwlee looks as if they are just looking for something to kill and are not scumhunting
specifically I am not a fan of the way they framed it as two scumcases on innocentvillsger and Alisae
but they did back out of scumreading me pretty abruptly so I’m wondering if it’s:
Town genuinely Who just wanted to pop off without an intent to have the game completely solved (?)
Scum backtracking after I called them out on it
Idk this is how I think about things trying to come up with a plausible scum narrative and town narrative
usually the answer I arrive at is they’re both plausible ish - re: an earlier point dwlee made about narrative arguments being fine if you can’t come up with a single plausible narrative for one alignment, I totally agree with that
In post 1742, innocentvillager wrote:dwlee can you talk about how Ali being scum here makes sense in this context? why would Ali hammer partner without getting him to claim it just seems like so ridiculous if he is scum
i honestly think the bus gambit by you or Datisi is far more probable than what Ali did
Exactly because it's ridiculous is a reason to do it. I also think scum!ali here has in mind that he can no-kill to avoid any guilties and then ask for mass claim to get PRs to out themselves. Which is exactly what happened. If George claimed something then maybe Ali could have killed the jailkeeper one night sooner but no-kill into asking for mass claim outs the jailkeeper and can get a mislim.
is there a reason you think scum no killed instead of killing STD...?
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Post #1845 (isolation #214) » Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:06 am
Postby innocentvillager »
Datisi I have gotten “toxic” as scum before in old games there was a period i was just kinda toxic in every game I’m trying to improve
I don’t think I’ve been toxic in my recent few scumgames but who knows what I’d do in a future scumgame etc.
I’m thinking like Newbie 1717 and 1722 maybe 1813 if you want an example of scum!me toxicity but it’s probably p outdated idk how much stock I would put into that
given my personality lately it’s probably +town overall for me to be heated tho I just care more here as town I feel and idk how well I can fake organically as scum (as you saw in the game we were scum)
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Post #1846 (isolation #215) » Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:10 am
Postby innocentvillager »
Datisi it doesn’t seem likely to me that you would bus in the way u did and make a weak plea to get off George but it doesn’t seem likely how any of you bus George the way you did? I do feel like of the three pushes at this point dwlee’s “all in” sheep seems the weakest but one of you bussed Ultimately bc ur still here
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Post #1847 (isolation #216) » Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:11 am
Postby innocentvillager »
In post 1834, Datisi wrote:like your points about alisae being scum bc the hammer or bc asking for massclaim or bc they had this mech plan of no killing which is why they hammered george kinda feel more like working backwards like "i need to find reasons alisae is scum, let's use this" as opposed to "alisae did these things, they are scummy because xyz" and like, i've never before gotten a feeling like that from you so i wanna recked my work tomorrow
lol this is how I have been feeling about all the previous scum comments towards me from dwlee, nor, a little bit std
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Post #1880 (isolation #218) » Thu Sep 16, 2021 6:53 am
Postby innocentvillager »
In post 1864, Datisi wrote:iv i noticed you answered by q about toxicity but not about wim
what's your levels of effort when you're soloing / in a shite position as a scumfuck
1813 newbie towards the end I was solo and tried to fight a bit but that was a D2 partner elim
some 14xx Newbie I was solo after bussing my roleblocker nsin D1 (great play) then afking while town killed me d2
those are the ones off the top of my head
idk old meta is whatever but I think on d2 this game if I was scum I probably just give up against 2 prs and half the town wanting to kill me I guess but who knows maybe I just want to fight for the sake of it depending on my mood
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Post #1881 (isolation #219) » Thu Sep 16, 2021 6:55 am
Postby innocentvillager »
my “wim” is for sure way higher as town than scum but when I’m scum I think I’m okay at faking wim I feel like on a superficial level especially early on
don’t think I can fake it this far out and consistently tho
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Post #1882 (isolation #220) » Thu Sep 16, 2021 6:58 am
Postby innocentvillager »
okay also Alisae hammer aside
I feel like he has been very on and off this game which is a stark contrast to how he played as scum in shit position in defcon
literally tried to lead the town throughout the game and acted townie and shit and fooled me for a while honestly
i do have to say the approach here feels a lot different, opinionated still but not really like powereolfing, which I feel like scum!Ali is more likely to do
granted he knows I know that (and std as well) but I don’t think scum!ali is likely to just massively 180 playstyle purely bc of me and std it seems p unnecessary
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Post #1884 (isolation #222) » Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:02 am
Postby innocentvillager »
i like Datisi really trying to nail down dwlee on why exactly they are saying X is scummy it’s what I tried to do but more eloquent. It’s gonna be really sick if Datisi is scum here
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Post #2091 (isolation #231) » Fri Sep 17, 2021 12:29 pm
Postby innocentvillager »
In post 2088, Datisi wrote:ok i read what i missed and i wanted to say "i find iv kinda sus for not having too much insight after so many pages" but reading those many pages felt like banging my head against the wall so i'm not sure i can blame him really
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Post #2274 (isolation #234) » Sun Sep 19, 2021 3:54 am
Postby innocentvillager »
hi
i have a few minutes but that's it
not really caught up but seems like im going to die looks like deadline is basically here, pretty frustrating but that's fine and understandable also wish i had more time this weekend i probably would've efforted this one
also i guess i don't feel like I kill nor who im literally trying to push as an elim in the PoE why not just kill marci the jailkeeper? honestly just seems really dumb fmpov but idk wifom wifom whatever
i don't think i get posthumously listened to like ever in f3 but here are some of my stances that i still kind of believe in after i flip you can look at if you want, im too lazy to resummarize so i just picked quotes from my iso and put some comments
yeah horrendous hammer if scum it literally makes no sense there was plenty of time and literally Ali could've just told George to claim asap
the chance of winning is way too small. no scum in their right mind would go into night without knowing who the PRs are - also Ali would've shot STD which was clearly wrong so scum!Ali didn't just know who the PRs were. Ali is good scum and probably would've made george claim earlier or yelled at him to claim before hammering. pending dwlee accepting death in the Ali vs Dwlee 1v1 i think im probablyyyyy good with this
i think dwlee countered this by saying it's doable because it's ridiculous and like yeah maybe but i just don't really see it when it's basically seems like an insane uphill battle for scum against 2 unknown PRs - and they were unknown at the time because they were not killed. Out of all the actions this is still the one i believe is just severely out of scumrange and still the one i'd personally bet the game on but maybe im just bad.
I could clog up the thread by responding to each individual one when I’m on comp but that’s a) effort/time I don’t have today and b) probably noise/not helpful for sorting anyone I’m trying to not just fight back with my ego
The core of my problem with most of is that it’s just narrative narrative despite me responding to their points and explaining how they’re bad it’s like those conversations never even happened. The new accusations Like wishy washy and not scumreads are a) recycled from STD’s case and b) just how I play/shouldn’t even be scummy in a vacuum without meta. I voted nor because I thought he was weakly most likely from scum something that has mostly stayed consistent throughout the game. There’s no reason any of these actions are scum and dwlee feels satisfied just pointing them out and goign ???
My progression on dwlee slot as far as I can recall has been “ehhh Faker looks townie through his proactiveness/solvy efforting and interactions with Datisi”, didn’t really care about dwlee until I realized I barely noticed them in the game and was shifting some attention there, and now a decent suspect that I don’t really townread. I don’t think dwlee has done anything out of town or scumrange really so I’m just not sure. I don’t see why they keep saying this is a horrible progression or whatever.
I don’t feel like the going all in on George being scum is necessarily THAT anti partnery. Iirc the context was just datisi’s single push and they could’ve taken a risk and hoped the day would converge on me instead since I was the leading wagon, but I’ll have to reread. I think the self towncase section is the part I’m most okay with tbh so I’ll need to give that a proper look
final thought is why are they going so hard and feeling so good about bombing two scum cases here? Like hello there’s only one scum in the game? This if anything sets me off the most as kind of scummy because i feel like u should know one of those is wrong and that ur just fitting reasons at that point to the read. I mean I get that we only need to find one town but in that case scumcasing the two other people instead of detailed towncasifn Datisi feels like the wrong mindset for town, whereas it makes more sense for scum to being in that mindset to shade Two remaining ppl to keep them elimmable
mostly last two paragraphs, i still kind of believe the 2nd to last one and less so the last one i just remember it pinging me as really weird at the time but more on that
In post 1743, innocentvillager wrote:I think ur back off is normally scummy but actually thinking about it more do kind of consider it a positive because it demonstrates to me that when u “popped off” you didn’t really feel as tho you solved who was scum u Were just getting into it I guess? idk
think the backoff by Dwlee was probably townie, i don't think scum!dwlee is going for this big circlejerk performance to get townread or whatever their agenda is?
In post 1742, innocentvillager wrote:dwlee can you talk about how Ali being scum here makes sense in this context? why would Ali hammer partner without getting him to claim it just seems like so ridiculous if he is scum
i honestly think the bus gambit by you or Datisi is far more probable than what Ali did
Exactly because it's ridiculous is a reason to do it. I also think scum!ali here has in mind that he can no-kill to avoid any guilties and then ask for mass claim to get PRs to out themselves. Which is exactly what happened. If George claimed something then maybe Ali could have killed the jailkeeper one night sooner but no-kill into asking for mass claim outs the jailkeeper and can get a mislim.
I mean why can’t the same be said for datisi’s bus on George (which he did try to back out of last minute)
Or your “all in “ sheep on datisi
still think dwlee's action within scumrange
datisi's action like poking out of historical scumrange but who knows about real scumrange
alisae's action outside of scumrange
In post 1749, innocentvillager wrote:Ali’s action very clearly and definitively hurts scum wincon, whereas your and Datisi’s actually probably hurt scum wincon in general but not for sure and you can use it as a good anti associative if ppl switch to me instead later after you get the strongman off? idk I’m just saying if anything it feels more like a questionable gamble by you or Datisi but suicide for scum!Ali
In post 1761, Alisae wrote:To me Dwlee looks as if they are just looking for something to kill and are not scumhunting
specifically I am not a fan of the way they framed it as two scumcases on innocentvillsger and Alisae
but they did back out of scumreading me pretty abruptly so I’m wondering if it’s:
Town genuinely Who just wanted to pop off without an intent to have the game completely solved (?)
Scum backtracking after I called them out on it
Idk this is how I think about things trying to come up with a plausible scum narrative and town narrative
usually the answer I arrive at is they’re both plausible ish - re: an earlier point dwlee made about narrative arguments being fine if you can’t come up with a single plausible narrative for one alignment, I totally agree with that
still a little conflicted here i think scum backtracking is semi plausible but i don't really think scum!dwlee is particularly scared of me i just don't see the agenda to flip on me, like as a giant ruse to get townread by me maybe? idk it's so sudden and jarring it's almost like too advanced of a scumplay for ppl. no offense dwlee lol i think this kind of thing felt a bit out of scumrange to me.
In post 1846, innocentvillager wrote:Datisi it doesn’t seem likely to me that you would bus in the way u did and make a weak plea to get off George but it doesn’t seem likely how any of you bus George the way you did? I do feel like of the three pushes at this point dwlee’s “all in” sheep seems the weakest but one of you bussed Ultimately bc ur still here
I feel like he has been very on and off this game which is a stark contrast to how he played as scum in shit position in defcon
literally tried to lead the town throughout the game and acted townie and shit and fooled me for a while honestly
i do have to say the approach here feels a lot different, opinionated still but not really like powereolfing, which I feel like scum!Ali is more likely to do
granted he knows I know that (and std as well) but I don’t think scum!ali is likely to just massively 180 playstyle purely bc of me and std it seems p unnecessary
still think this, although this in and of itself is probably not out of scumrange
In post 1884, innocentvillager wrote:i like Datisi really trying to nail down dwlee on why exactly they are saying X is scummy it’s what I tried to do but more eloquent. It’s gonna be really sick if Datisi is scum here
im actually like, kind of paranoid Datisi is the final scum here but i don't really have anything to back that up
like he's doing all these things that are individually townie but none of them really poke out of scumrange except maybe the d1 GB bus so im scared datisi is just putting on another scum masterclass here which he is perfectly capable of doing. idk i just tend to get paranoid of the best scumplayers when nothing they have done is really out of scumrange and that's kind of what im low-effort defaulting to here i guess with few reasonable suspects left.
In post 1935, innocentvillager wrote:Ali ur latest posts are giving me the queasies like you are ranting about this game or something
can you explain why u sound so upset if you’re not scum this game?
ali sounding upset was a little like "wtf" gave me scum!flavor flashbacks to Open 802 when he started going on a rant about how he hated playing so much scum in a row and i was like, "dude why aren't you relieved playing this game" and he gave some bs answer that i accepted. idk still on balance this shouldn't matter in my read
Sheeping Datisi D1 onto George
still efforting rn/D3 play looks somewhat solvy and they are trying to reevaluate things
I’m still voting here spiritually I think but I don’t feel great about it
dwlee how good is your scum game and what would u be doing different here if u were scum?
dwlee's response was basically try to get townread and i guess that makes me a little less sure dwlee is town because that is like a potential agenda for what they are doing D3? idk lol dwlee doesn't really feel like scum on reread idrk how to explain it maybe it's just gut or maybe im pocketed by their turnaround on me.
In post 2050, innocentvillager wrote:it just feels like ali is townie and Datisi is doing all the right things I want/nothing scummy at all
I’m just at a loss here who is scum I’m honestly just impressed ur still fighting this hard
final guess is datisi > dwlee >>> alisae but dwlee and datisi are kinda close i think
way overstayed my time honestly idk what the point of typing this was. just feels bad to not leave a mark on the game ig do as u want with this. please win tomorrow
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Post #2318 (isolation #239) » Sun Sep 19, 2021 2:00 pm
Postby innocentvillager »
i definitely feel that cuz like I basically had no chance
but it was kind of just massively our fault that George died it really didn’t need to happen we were aware that the game was basically over when u hammered him
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Post #2319 (isolation #240) » Sun Sep 19, 2021 2:05 pm
Postby innocentvillager »
just prefer town more i like solving and i don’t enjoy coming up with bullshit ig lmao
if I all I do is fuck around when I’m scum anyone who knows me remotely instantly knows I’m scum
it’s just a completely different game as scum and i will try for the sake of keeping the game interesting for town but it’s just not my preferred alignment
