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Post #140 (isolation #5) » Fri Jul 23, 2021 9:33 am
Postby Ich Troje »
I think flow needs more content in terms of their reaction before i feel any level of confidence but im feeling their scum meta in their vibes. VOTE: flow
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In post 133, Ich Troje wrote:VOTE: t3
Hey can we not do the "spam for pagetop" thing cuz pagetop votecounts arent even that important and it is annoying
I don't even know what the setup is either than that there are heaven and hell.
actually fucking same lmao
i skimmed it like while I was high as shit and saw the game was almost pulled and inned to hero save it to run, all i know is there's a tiebreak mechanic or something at the end.
what do u think of NSG thus far?
also to flow: I personally don't read setups until I need to mech solve to maximize my chances of townslipping so deal with it
In post 175, Ich Troje wrote:i skimmed it like while I was high as shit and saw the game was almost pulled and inned to hero save it to run, all i know is there's a tiebreak mechanic or something at the end.
Might want to read the mechanics before we get to D2.
I know enough that we want scum in hell and town in heaven
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Post #183 (isolation #14) » Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:16 am
Postby Ich Troje »
this is a gamestate I want to passively observe I think and not make any pushes in rn - so I'm gonna step back for now.
I will explain in due time but it's a tactical move to prevent shifting any pieces that may be scum into an advantageous space because I tend to do that if I hardpush too early lol
In post 183, Ich Troje wrote:this is a gamestate I want to passively observe I think and not make any pushes in rn - so I'm gonna step back for now.
I will explain in due time but it's a tactical move to prevent shifting any pieces that may be scum into an advantageous space because I tend to do that if I hardpush too early lol
Part of me wants to townread you for this. But it's the part that thinks everyone is a clone of me.
Think I want to wait for Dannflor before probing further here. I can totally see faking a townslip, but most people don't put enough effort to fake them repeatedly.
my townslips are just NAI.
I am 100% aware they don't work on this site and occasionally fake them as scum just so it isn't true meta.
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Post #191 (isolation #16) » Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:04 am
Postby Ich Troje »
but also i didnt really townslip with the mafia number thing lmfao i just stated it cuz i like being townread but also know someone is gonna make a shitstorm over me potentially "faking a townslip as scum!" so yep.
In post 191, Ich Troje wrote:but also i didnt really townslip with the mafia number thing lmfao i just stated it cuz i like being townread but also know someone is gonna make a shitstorm over me potentially "faking a townslip as scum!" so yep.
Although now that I think of it, this completely invalidates my previous line of thinking about "lots of slips = probably legit."
Wait ... if you did it because you like being townread, why do you consider it NAI?
because it is NAI but people will subconsciously townread it!
but also this is a pretty bad digression and like not important to the gamestate so I'd rather not derail this far off.
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Post #309 (isolation #22) » Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:59 am
Postby Ich Troje »
The reason i wanted to wait and see was precisely because dannfloor/nsg were giving me pings and i wanted to just watch them interact with others rather than give them an easy out in omgusing me because i can tend to stumble my words sometimes.
In post 309, Ich Troje wrote:i wanted to just watch them interact with others rather than give them an easy out in omgusing me because i can tend to stumble my words sometimes.
ok sorry back to this why would omgusing you be the easy way out, especially as neither of us have expressed a scum read on you thus far
like im a little confused what exactly you got out of seeing our interactions with others
both of your archetype of player when scum are the type to capitalize on people who make awkward pushes in order to massively discred them, which has always kicked me in the ass in my experience(also the times I am wrong and just paranoid it also ruins solve space)
It was more I wanted to be like "am I sure this is right without bias of being pushed on from pushing on these people" kind of deal.
ive been nursing a paranoia nsg read since basically her entrance but i think that paranoia was bound to come up at some point this game so im not really giving it any credence until nsg gets a chance to play more
what exactly pinged you about either of our posts?
I am no good at vocalizing it but iirc it was a sort of vibe of agreeableness in the sense that it felt correct but in the way that it was stating feel good stuff/stuff that was not bad but also not good, just in that deadzone of "huh, this isn't right". Perhaps I mixed your posts together and sort of combined my read in a way. My flow trap vote was partially to put pressure on flow trap and partially to manipulate gamestate to see how people acted thinking that flow was a viable lim, because after my initial post-RVS shitpush onto flow, his reaction was towny to me but I maintained and I felt that you personally partially moved off flow because of that shift I pushed and expressed a townread on flow and then onto esooa to shield her. I am fairly confident of Esooa being scum here - as much as it is a meme that I've pushed on her as town before, my accuracy on her has increased over time.
I think a lot hinges on how the inactive slot is in terms of a solve - but there is definitely scum within at least one of you/esooa/NSG atp and there's not much that will do to change that bc of the moves made already, other than perhaps Flow flipping scum during heaven phase.
My gun to head now is that Esooa/Dannfloor/NSG/redtea contains all 3 scum, listed by strength of read.
I had some lingering suspicions / pings on Dannflor earlier. Nothing coherent. I'm feeling better about him now; getting a sense of what he looks for is one of those things that's +Town.
In post 346, Ich Troje wrote:I am fairly confident of Esooa being scum here - as much as it is a meme that I've pushed on her as town before, my accuracy on her has increased over time.
can you explain this read with some specifics? how much of it is based off of a meta experience with esooa
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Post #352 (isolation #33) » Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:34 am
Postby Ich Troje »
Town esooa likes to get into fights and thunderdomes, scum esooa likes to stay away from that, both are aggressive though usually, but scum esooa notably is not as much so or rather can be passive and let others run the show.
In our scum game, I was mostly pulling the strings and pushing town to mislim eachother while esooa just sat back and took potshots and such.
Sorta feel same vibe here.
I already like townlocked Farren but this kind of like thought flow is a bit more blatant evidence I can show that might help others see what I'm seeing in terms of Farren being town - where Farren is not playing an agenda but rather displaying a "town genuinely solving" mindset where he is genuinely reading the game and processing what is going on in it.
In post 348, Ich Troje wrote:FWIW Dannfloor, I think if anything you would be the likliest town atp based on the complexity of what you have been putting out, but just pocketed.
I DO see a world where I'm just being a paranoid idiot and it's just straight up something like T3/Farren/Enchant
my reads are very much not set in stone rnow.
I'm kind of waiting on a lot of stuff™ at the moment but I'm going to try to solidify some of my thoughts tonight because the deadline is shorter than i realized
right now I'm most concerned about falling into the trap of looking for the hardest possible scums, which is something that has been affecting my games negatively recently. which means i have to work through paranoia regarding slots like you and NSG without confbiasing or overthinking myself out of like what should be obvious scum
like it's a situation where i think you've both been at the very least surface level towny thus far but you're also among the slots i'm most concerned I won't be able to read correctly if I'm not extremely careful - I'm trying not to let that veer into an automatic fear-based scum read if that makes sense
Nope I totally understand and that's how I feel about your slot in kind.
I don't have a read on you but I think Ich is town -> that implies you are scum.
I started to write this post with placing a vote on you and explaining something. But you know what? Let's see what you have to say - Why do you think this?
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Post #440 (isolation #40) » Sun Jul 25, 2021 3:10 pm
Postby Ich Troje »
In post 393, Esooa wrote:@koba apparently you're the one who said shit about flow meta
wanna explain your read on them
ya they were traitor in a game I was in with them and I wrecked them, but only after d1 when their partner flipped and I saw the associative. basically if a scum flips, we can figure out if flow is scum but also the fact that flow was gathering attention was pretty +town for flow given that meta.
In post 431, Dannflor wrote:nsg are you specifically trying anything different this game from how you normally play? if you consider yourself to have a "normal" style or method of playing to begin with
nope, not really.
In post 435, T3 wrote:This feels like 5 sentences basically saying the same thing.
i like to explain myself when i feel i actually have a point to make. sometimes it's hard to translate what you're intuitively feeling into words.
despite me throwing a pretty large amount of shade your way, you have not commented on it at all to the best of my memory, why is that?
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Post #449 (isolation #44) » Sun Jul 25, 2021 5:30 pm
Postby Ich Troje »
In post 448, northsidegal wrote:troje, i'm also curious to hear your thoughts as to seemingly thinking that both me and esooa are scum. thoughts there?
thoughts are this question made me laugh because of how vague it is like are you afraid of details
In post 441, Ich Troje wrote:despite me throwing a pretty large amount of shade your way, you have not commented on it at all to the best of my memory, why is that?
i don't really recall seeing anything from you that seemed to really warrant a response. was there some question i missed? apart from that, all i remember is just a general suspicion you had of me, and the thought that i discredit people as scum, or something. (that's not an attempt to downplay what you said, i'm really just speaking off memory here)
^ does town NSG actually not notice when someone strongly thinks there is a possibility they are scum
only played with a townstump NSG who might as well have flaked out of boredom so yeah.
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Post #477 (isolation #47) » Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:23 am
Postby Ich Troje »
T3 tried to "bus" in our last game where we rolled scum together, but we ended up losing horribly so it would not surprise me for a scum!t3 to change up their play to not be so wild for a scumgame here.
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Post #478 (isolation #48) » Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:24 am
Postby Ich Troje »
This isn't like shade at T3 this is just pointing out that if someone might think to discount something they're pursuing they see in t3 as scummy but think that the lack of that kind of play is clearing, that it may not be here.
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Post #481 (isolation #50) » Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:36 am
Postby Ich Troje »
Also of note it is in scum's best interests to bus on D1 because they need to be townread to get into heaven. This is a perspective I believe scum would have after I had finished the Trust Fall setup that I mentioned with T3 where we lost. We had no way to gain towncred there - but - here you do, which is by tossing a partner under the bus. OR tactically pushing a townie and having a scum off wagon chainsawing it.
just so people are aware of this and also me manipulating scum by showing I am aware of this
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Post #484 (isolation #52) » Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:58 am
Postby Ich Troje »
(it's the same as my gameSTARTS but nothing has in particular flipped the "switch" as I like to call it into my more aggressive style, which is why I am different - which is why I am skeptical of any *confident* townreads on me) [also part of why I am moreso reading flow as town bc yeah]
In post 483, Ich Troje wrote:Because of a lack of push on me this game d1, I've been notably different thus far than my usual towngames, why did you put me at the top?
because you're being pocketed. Get some better reads. Maybe reading glasses
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Post #497 (isolation #54) » Mon Jul 26, 2021 10:07 am
Postby Ich Troje »
I think its weird you start getting defensive after I out my reads list with you at the bottom while I'm pushing someone else mainly rather than when I had actually pushed you with a vote.
In post 497, Ich Troje wrote:I think its weird you start getting defensive after I out my reads list with you at the bottom while I'm pushing someone else mainly rather than when I had actually pushed you with a vote.
I didn't think your read was real, almost at all. I figured it was just a RT, especially with how bad the reasons were. Now that you've said nothing to continue it but still hold the read though I don't think that anymore
like how're you comparing this game to a wolf game where I was in wolf chat saying "this game sucks, I want to die and I'm just gonna slank tbh"
You think that's just how I wolf every game? Really?
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Post #525 (isolation #58) » Mon Jul 26, 2021 1:52 pm
Postby Ich Troje »
I'm a bit bummed out at the lack of WIM from some slots in this game bc it's like ... cmon these phases are important and we wanna make sure scum are less likely to get into heaven by binning 1 today.
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Post #526 (isolation #59) » Mon Jul 26, 2021 1:55 pm
Postby Ich Troje »
is it possible to just win by sending all townies off everyday regardless if its heaven or hell and martyr chat if its pure can just send everyone else to hell im not sure i understand this