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Post #22 (isolation #3) » Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:30 am
Postby Retti »
In post 18, Datisi wrote:i was gonna meme and vote for myself, but then tris's vote came up in pedits so i decided against it because y-1 on page one scary. then i thought how mena is probably one of the only people insane enough to actually slam the hammer down on page one and he's already on wagon and it would be funny if i meme-voted myself so what's the worst that could happen
and *then* i remembered scum!bugspray explicitly loves quickhammering and they're playing so yeah not gonna do that
You can do it, I promise I won't let anything bad happen...pinky swear.
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Post #37 (isolation #7) » Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:34 am
Postby Retti »
In post 33, Datisi wrote:skitter's explanation of her townpings on me gives me some paranoia that i am being white knighted / pocketed here
but i will not act upon it yet as it is way too early and my skitter reads are usually ass-backwards
why do you find her town? @retti obviously
Breaking away from early game silliness into serious analysis tends to come more often from town, it's an awkward transition for scum to make who are usually more content to fool around, and she did it in a natural enough manner.
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retti, do you have any experience / knowledge of skitter?
pedit: townie pings on retti
Maybe, maybe not. But for the sake of the game, let's treat it as if the answer were "No" because people going on about meta while under the guise of an alt is fucking annoying.
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In post 26, skitter30 wrote:I think dats' reaction was kinda townie, dislike the bugspray vote
UNVOTE:
Specifically what I didn't like about this post was skitter saying she disliked the bugspray vote. To me the bugspray vote seemed like obvious RVS. Coupled with that, Datisis reaction and just the whole conversation in general seemed like RVS. Your post looks like an excuse to get early fake "helpful".
The flavor and potions of this game seem like something that could possibly be breakable if we al knew what each other was doing.
I assure you the setup would never pass review if it could be broken by a day 1 mass claim.
I...greatly disagree on that skitter read, but don't particularly want to argue it with you right now.
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Post #59 (isolation #15) » Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:06 am
Postby Retti »
In post 57, Datisi wrote:have you considered that he is... lying about having a potion that does nothing?
I don't think he plays it that way in the opening stages of the game. Way he opened pinged but the way he claimed it doesn't come from scum, I don't think
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In post 57, Datisi wrote:have you considered that he is... lying about having a potion that does nothing?
I don't think he plays it that way in the opening stages of the game. Way he opened pinged but the way he claimed it doesn't come from scum, I don't think
why did you answer a question that was not aimed at you?
and also what since 44 to now made you wanna change your vote?
The question was general enough that I didn't expect you'd take offense to my butting in. Was it that important that you get the answer from Reason? Our reasoning (no pun intended) is similar enough.
I moved back to Toog because I decided pob was towny and had a Mild Gut Ping from early on, but after pondering for a moment I reconsidered, and decided I liked voting tʃɹɪs more.
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In post 57, Datisi wrote:have you considered that he is... lying about having a potion that does nothing?
I don't see the reason to do that. If they're scum who doesn't have a nothing-potion, then how would they know they even exist? It would look weird to be the only one claiming one of those.
-Reason
I could devil's advocate this argument right now but still think pob is more likely town than not so I won't do that
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In post 70, tʃɹɪs wrote:ughhh, my head is full of fuzz. i'll be back later
this is a relatively alignemnt indicative post (as in this gives information about tris's alignment relative to other slots) scum wouldn't be like "be back later" if a gamestate was evolving that doesn't favor them and i think overall this is more likely to come from town
This makes no sense
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Post #115 (isolation #24) » Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:33 pm
Postby Retti »
In post 112, Rhyme and Reason wrote:I don't mind gut reads but there is still ~something~ about the posts that pinged you in a gut sense, and I want to know what that is
~Rhyme
pedit: gotcha, thanks
I don't particularly
like
explaining my early game gut reads, at least not right away. But since you asked so nicely, I guess I'll oblige: the 3 posts to that point felt like they were following along and merely going with the flow of what was happening at the time, joining the wagon on datisi, disagreeing with my skitter read, adding to the townreads on datisi, it was all adding to existing lines of conversation rather than providing any particularly compelling thought. And I
could
see that being the way scum plays the early game, mostly trying to blend in, talking just to talk but not providing momentum themselves.
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In post 97, Retti wrote:The question was general enough that I didn't expect you'd take offense to my butting in. Was it that important that you get the answer from Reason? Our reasoning (no pun intended) is similar enough.
I moved back to Toog because I decided pob was towny and had a Mild Gut Ping from early on,
but after pondering for a moment I reconsidered
, and decided I liked voting tʃɹɪs more.
i don't know. i don't know what i'm looking for until i see it. that's why i don't like someone cutting my q's to someone short like that bc maybe the og response would've been something to inspire me
can you talk about the bolded part?
I...looked back at his posts, thought about them, decided my vote was meh and that I should find someone else, and my eye fell on tris after looking at other people briefly?
I'm not sure what you're looking for here?
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In post 97, Retti wrote:The question was general enough that I didn't expect you'd take offense to my butting in. Was it that important that you get the answer from Reason? Our reasoning (no pun intended) is similar enough.
I moved back to Toog because I decided pob was towny and had a Mild Gut Ping from early on,
but after pondering for a moment I reconsidered
, and decided I liked voting tʃɹɪs more.
i don't know. i don't know what i'm looking for until i see it. that's why i don't like someone cutting my q's to someone short like that bc maybe the og response would've been something to inspire me
can you talk about the bolded part?
I...looked back at his posts, thought about them, decided my vote was meh and that I should find someone else, and my eye fell on tris after looking at other people briefly?
I'm not sure what you're looking for here?
idk. i saw there was only one post from either of them (i think and atp i'm too lazy to go back and check) so i wanted to see if it was something about that post, and if not, what was it or like what was your thought process there because i did not get it
The one post from Toog was maybe a little bit of it, it made me waffle
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In post 115, Retti wrote:And I could see that being the way scum plays the early game, mostly trying to blend in, talking just to talk but not providing momentum themselves.
How's that different from what I've done that made you interested changing from me to them?
Toogeloo wrote:Excuse me if I feel your gut reason seems weak considering you had a vote on me as a sheep for a town read, and I would argue that I too qualify as a similar reason your gut made you swap elsewhere. I'd think you'd be interested in applying more pressure on me.
Your posts were RVS and role stuff, not trying to fit in with the conversation
per se
. It's a different quality between you two. You feel a bit more independent of other people in that you've chimed in with regard to certain mechanical things, but the way you've spoken doesn't feel awkward. Initially I thought you asking about ingredients was suspect according to a paranoid theory I had, but then I decided I didn't like the idea. (also, since then, I buy your confusion about the scum's potion mechanics, but that obviously didn't factor into me changing my vote).
That still doesn't really convey the nuance of it I don't think but hopefully it's somewhat understandable
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I didn't find their reason for changing their vote off of me to be compelling since I was guilty of similar play. My reads are fluid however, and it should be noted that I have no read basis for spots 4-6 since there isn't enough to work with as of now.
You weren't particularly similar, in my perception. Her posts pinged more. But regardless: why is me moving my vote from you to her suspect?
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In post 197, Toogeloo wrote:Naked votes, while generally terrible for information, are still generally NAI. In fact I'd argue, scum are more likely to make up a be excuse to apply a vote to avoid naked voting.
Looking at my own meta that actualy makes sense. Townpoints to toog for this.
Why does he get townpoints for a purely theory based statement?
Why did you dislike bugspray's naked voting if it's something you do yourself?
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In post 103, Retti wrote:But in all seriousness, what were you hoping for, (if you don't mind saying)?
Uh, well yeah I can say, since I feel like this is fine to get out in the open.
I myself was having a similar idea of massclaiming, for two reasons: (1) it makes sure that no info is lost since people's powers don't flip, and (2) most powers are one-shot so the power is distributed and scum can't take out all our power by focusing on a few PR's.
But, Mena ended up convincing me that a D2 massclaim is better, since schadd surely included a contingency for a massclaim, and since the potions owned by the person killed N1 hardly matter anyway. Saving massclaim until D2 allows investigatives to claim their info without fear of interference.
But anyway, if T3 had echoed any of these thoughts, it would have shown be was having similar concerns to me with respect to the unhelpful flips. Alas, it was just "herp derp I wonder if the setup is breakable"
-Reason
Agree the answer from T3 was underwhelming. Understand the concern about the flips being unhelpful, but don't know that we need to full claim? Can just have everyone claim action results from the night prior. Don't necessarily need to reveal what other potions people may or may not have left.
I think I like that this is a discussion you're having, anyway.
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Post #254 (isolation #37) » Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:46 am
Postby Retti »
I was waiting for bugspray to do...
something
before passing judgment of any sort, but 223 is fairly convincing, the play here is night and day compared to the linked game and does seem much more similar to the scumgames he references.
In post 227, Datisi wrote:they did provide some reasoning with their votes/actions, but it was really shallow, and basically night and day to the towngame i linked earlier.
Okay, I swear I wrote the above before reading you write this >_>
In post 212, Retti wrote:Felt like that was an attempt to join in on the suspicion on bugspray but the thought process here does not feel believable or organic.
how did you get here? like, t3 tried to add to suspicion on bugs, but as soon as someone said that they disagree with t3, he just... agrees and calls that person townie?
That...was what I had a problem with? Like, the moment Toogeloo contradicted him he just turned around and agreed with him instead, but the problem is the thought process for the original read didn't feel especially believable. Town!t3 has no problem with naked voting and underexplained reads so him voting someone for exhibiting that behavior doesn't really add up. Turning around and changing his mind while calling toog town felt a bit more like a maneuver to cover his ass on a read that wasn't really going to be defensible.
But this was with the consideration that bugspray might just be LHF last night, and I'm feeling less confident in that conclusion already, sooo....
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In post 212, Retti wrote:Felt like that was an attempt to join in on the suspicion on bugspray but the thought process here does not feel believable or organic.
First, the only suspicious (I might have forgot something) on bugspray was skitter, who I scumread for suspecting bugspray. Second, when Tog disagreed with me I agreed with him and my scumread on bugspray vanished.
i was/am also scumreading bugs though i'm not sure if my post about that came before or after
what do you think about my reasoning for scumreading them? also do you like. even *have* any reads.
Yes, I have reads. I think your reasons for scumread bugspray make sense.
But...you...agreed with what toogeloo said earlier?
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I'm making an effort to play against my town playstyle this game lol
Mmm, does scum ever admit they're...trying...to play like scum? I would guess probably not, I would expect some sort of excuse but not couched in this exact reasoning.
UNVOTE:
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Post #259 (isolation #40) » Thu Jun 24, 2021 4:09 am
Postby Retti »
Feeling very good about Datisi being town, the persistence in poking at RaR for their reasoning in 225 (as well as toogeloo in 231) where I would expect scum would be more inclined to just let the read on them sit as is and accept the trust, overall feel his approach and the questions he's been asking have been Good.
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Post #263 (isolation #42) » Thu Jun 24, 2021 4:24 am
Postby Retti »
In post 260, Datisi wrote:i think i'm sorta putting skitter as ~paranoid but most likely town~ and leaving her there for an amount of time until i decide otherwise. there is a small voice in the back of my head that skitt's approach was slightly off, mostly due to the fact that she admits to it in 252 as it kinda gives me the vibe of "yeah, it was off" scum admitting their own play is off. *however* (1) i did not notice any scum-agenda-driving posts from skitter that i remember seeing once when she was scum (though this is obviously with a grain of salt bc i do not trust myself at all to consistently read scum!skitt correctly) and her reads/reasnings outside of the above have all felt Fine and Reasonable. (2) and also i think in every town game we've had so far, i've consistently had the uneasy-gut "what if this is scum!skitter" feeling, and at this point i'm wondering if that feeling should be taken as a sign that skitt is town, considering i did not have it in most (if not all, don't remember atm) of her scumgames
I'm feeling cautiously optimistic that this game might just be...
easy
, which I know is a foolish thing to conclude not even 24 hours into day 1, but I feel reasonably good about the most active people so far, the way you've sort of danced around each other feels like the routine players with a degree of history between each other go through when they both roll town. This could be one of those games where town has all the energy early and scum just aren't able to keep up at all. My wild confidence could eventually be swallowed by the Pit of Paranoia and Despair, but for now? I'm feeling it.
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Post #264 (isolation #43) » Thu Jun 24, 2021 4:29 am
Postby Retti »
In post 262, Datisi wrote:/shrug, to me it felt like you were suspicious of t3 because he was trying to pile on the suspicion on bugspray, but deciding against it at the first sign of a struggle defeats the whole point of "piling on suspicion" - so i didn't get how you came to that conclusion when to me it seemed like, if t3 had really been trying to do that, he was doing it in the most counterproductive way possible. but i think your explanation makes sense - i don't have much (or any, really) exp with t3 so if that's what you were focused on, i get it now
It was a lot easier for me to read him when I was scum when I could just write him off and go "oh yeah, whatever, maybe town" and let other people suspect him. Now it's like, I find myself very confused by a lot of what he says and it leaves me scratching my head? Anyway, I don't have a scum!T3 model in my head, but at the time it just felt like he was retreating from a read he realized wasn't tenable. But on further reflection I can see him reacting that way in a T3!town world where he realizes his read wasn't good. Despite a lot of his progressions so far being strange and incomprehensible to me I figure him admitting he's trying to play like his scum game is probably townie.
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In post 293, skitter30 wrote:tris what are your reads at this point
and why do you think i would be having doubts on bugspray?
up to the post i just quoted,
datisi, retti, rhyme and reason i feel pretty good about being town.
i'm feeling like you're town as well, but i'm not confident
i might have a reason to townread t3 that i'll think more about once i've caught up.
i'll have to revisit my thoughts on pob long.
toogeloo. idk
sure, bugspray can be mafia;
i was thinking you would wonder why scum!bugspray would be this blatantly ignoring people, but if the meta fits,,
Can you..give a little more words on why you think these? That didn't exactly come through in the stuff you chose to quote and respond to.
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In post 327, Retti wrote:I don't find that to be particularly compelling reasoning.
why is skitter town
Beyond her moving to proactively sorting early, her hesitant wariness toward Rhyme felt like the how someone acts when they are suspicious of another player they have a degree of familiarity with, it was believable to me. I also feel like we've had a confluence of ideas a few times like in our reaction to pob long, in a more holistic view she just feels Fine? I dunno, the argument of "not townie enough" isn't really how I'd be looking at things at all on day 1.
tris, if I can level with you, your whole catchup felt like what I've done as scum where I grab a bunch of posts and just vomit out something in reply to look like I am Being Productive and Doing Things (I got called out on this pretty hard last time and had to go into defensive claws out mode in response). It just felt like, Are these the posts a town player chooses to comment on as they are reading the game? And I'm skeptical on that end. Additionally your reads were pretty consensusy and uncontroversial, and your whole turn on skitter here feels like it's motivated by her pointing that out and expressing suspicion toward you more than anything else.
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Post #337 (isolation #48) » Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:47 pm
Postby Retti »
In post 335, tʃɹɪs wrote:differentiate this from scum dancing around a player who they have a degree of familiarity with. what things here are specifically what you're describing that wouldn't also be scum?
In general I find people tend to be more suspicious of those they're familiar with when they roll town, at least initially, and that manifests as a sort of paranoia toward those they know. Whereas when you roll scum with someone you know in the game, you're going to be more cautious, your concern is about getting caught, the engagement tends to be a bit more halting and awkward. Faking a believable sort of paranoia is a hard thing to do. I'm slightly contrasting this with my own experiences, where I just awkwardly townread my friend and then mostly shadowed his reads. While I'm not skitter and can't say for sure how she'd do things, it felt believable in the way she went about it.
(this is true only for people who aren't meta-circlejerkers who want to take the side of their friends no matter what)
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In post 334, Retti wrote:
tris, if I can level with you, your whole catchup felt like what I've done as scum where I grab a bunch of posts and just vomit out something in reply to look like I am Being Productive and Doing Things (I got called out on this pretty hard last time and had to go into defensive claws out mode in response). It just felt like, Are these the posts a town player chooses to comment on as they are reading the game? And I'm skeptical on that end. Additionally your reads were pretty consensusy and uncontroversial, and your whole turn on skitter here feels like it's motivated by her pointing that out and expressing suspicion toward you more than anything else.
@skitter; how do you think this fits with how i tend to be as scum or town?
...why are you asking her that?
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Post #403 (isolation #54) » Fri Jun 25, 2021 6:20 am
Postby Retti »
I was going to actually catch up but was waiting to see how bugspray would react, but screw it, save it for later I guess, I'll wait and see what they flip
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Post #439 (isolation #56) » Sun Jun 27, 2021 4:11 pm
Postby Retti »
In post 436, schadd_ wrote:Datisi has Increased Charisma for this day phase; any player who disagrees with a statement he makes will take 1 HP of damage once the day is over. to "disagree" in this case is to speak in opposition to a claim that Datisi has made, while obviously addressing the statement to them (determined at mod discretion). each player may take one damage at most.
Uhh...okay then
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In post 441, Retti wrote:Also, this is somewhat random, but did anyone happen to get told they got a hangover from drinking their potion?
huh. i had a potion that involved me becoming drunk, but i did not get a hangover.
I ask because one of my potions says it'll make someone with a hangover feel better and I assumed there was probably some mechanic involving that, but I couldn't get an explanation on what being hung over actually does
Hrm
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