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Ego

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Lol no you should be well aware what ego posts are Koba

Hi Tweetie

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i'm pretty sure unwnd only invited me to this so he can improve his read accuracy of me <.<

-cake

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so my impression is we need to designate someone to prepare the guillotine so everyone else can go do their own shiz
if no guillotine prepared then that person is scumz

-cakez

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However, if the party fails to beat the dungeon, there will be a party wipe, and all party members will be killed.

PFFFFFFFFFFF

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Official Vote Count 1.01

Execute

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to end day early.

End Day 0 -

Not Voting -9 -

Dunnstral, Isis, Anya, Emily, Morning Tweet, Ydrasse, Infinity 324, Chromium, srckz

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-05-22 02:53:06)

Mod notes:

I am hand counting everything, so please tell me if I make an error! Also note the short deadline!!!!!
Also remember, you can only vote to end day today. There is no execution.[/area]

OKA YOU'RE CURSED FOR THIS

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hi dunny hi isis hi ydrasse hi infinity hi DK hi Ali hi Cakes hi unwnd hello everyone !

VOTE: Infinity

hi!

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I ALMOST FORGOT

I put on my robe and wizard hat...

-cakez (everything in the last 10 mins has been cake)

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Not interacting with Koba, they can write about how much I'm scum and it'd still be wrong just like most of their reads in every game.

- unwnd

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Incoming meltdown in 3

2

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Right on time

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Emily felt so excited to meet all the new explorers in the town, she had just recently graduated from White Mage Academy and this was her first official quest.

Knowing she would be fairly inexperienced, she decided it would probably be best to train at the local range before making her way to the Dungeon - which sounded fairly scary and ominous

is this an Isis alt?
ARE YOU PULLING A SHELLY????

A handsome knight stood at the entrance of the the tavern, his coat of arms a large chocolate and strawberry cake.

Emily loved to eat cake and she found him his broad shoulders and easy demeanor very attractive.

She introduced herself to him with a bow and offered to join his party for future adventures ahead.

Emily knew forming a trustworthy party was important for facing future dangers ahead.

NOOOOOOOO

-cakez

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The Large Metal Dragon unfurled their wings and roared, demanding that all in the town bend to their will.

It looked like there would be a fight over whether the party members would become slaves to their demands

this is like a fairy tale we even have a narrator!

Koba strat sounds good to me; I'm not really seeing any flaws?

-cakez

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Hello Ydra

while normally I would take this as unwnd simply holding a grudge against me

No grudges, merely establishing precedent

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Emily felt dejected and quite sad that the handsome knight had rejected her so quickly out of turn.

She hoped she could find more luck with the next adventurer she approached.

it's ok! we can still be friends

-cake

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I'm willing to hear out cakez's side first though before reaching any solid conclusions though, as I have seen scum cakez twice and have better experience with him meta wise.

I am open-minded here.

-cake

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I don't have anything further to say on the topic, I think you secretly love me or something and I just give you derision in response to your complex feelings

We don't have to be enemies, but you can pretend we are if that makes you happier

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I don't have anything further to say on the topic, I think you secretly love me or something and I just give you derision in response to your complex feelings

We don't have to be enemies, but you can pretend we are if that makes you happier

i dont feel comfortable in a personal way with that first sentence please never say that towards me again. i'm not getting baited into a 1v1.


what are your first impressions on the slots so far?

A few strong impressions but nothing I'd want to talk about quite yet

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My thought on dungeoneering is that scum's priority is only to snipe abilities from townies in a dungeon by slowly grinding on lvl 1 slimes in the starting area

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Scum are anticipating overeager heroes to die in the dungeon in my opinion, given the incentives are all for town lol

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I wonder if this is the game me and Ydra are the same alignment

But town this time

Much thoughts to be had

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I don't get how Tweetie can be scumread for having one post saying hi to everyone

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i think if you’re town and you get put in the dungeon pool with two other strong scumreads you just don’t go to the dungeon and kill them

we don’t need power roles if we just do that right

nah - no hero shit. this is how we get townies who end up ruining a game because they thought they had a pro scumread on someone and instead they kill 2 townies and then get lined up to die themselves.

reminds me of my Jigsaw game where Battle Mage gave scum two free NKs to avoid dying himself in a trap <.<

I don't get how Tweetie can be scumread for having one post saying hi to everyone

saying hi is scummy

-cake

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like unwnd, i have some pocket vibes that I am gonna keep hidden for now as it's too early

-cake

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I've said Hi twice now cakez so that must be why we're so scummy

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Why is it too early?

One of them is the fact I can't vote and the other is that I think everyone here has a depth to them that I wouldn't trust base impressions to have a proper read on

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I wonder if this is the game me and Ydra are the same alignment

But town this time

Much thoughts to be had

What about me?

Dubious at best

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??

Thought your opening was a bit too preemptive for my liking, you usually let things stew before declaring how something should be done

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Cakez' believes they are town right now which I'm not fighting against

Re: Koba

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??

Thought your opening was a bit too preemptive for my liking, you usually let things stew before declaring how something should be done

Lame reasoning imo

I don't find this attribution to be anything, Dunn

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Hi, Cakez is feeling under the weather so I'll be assuming operations

I will however be tying my best to ape his style, with my own spin

Not interacting with Koba, they can write about how much I'm scum and it'd still be wrong just like most of their reads in every game.

- unwnd

Ok can we not do this

yeah i dunno why they're walking onto the stage with boxing gloves on

Koba enjoys fighting, nothing more nothing less

happy to climb into chromium's trench coat they seem like town so far

infinity is a noble adventurer too in how she's recruiting chromium to the party

the cakes might be a lie

Me and Cakez had a minor conversation about Infinity earlier and other things that went something like this (Paraphrased)

Unwnd: Dunn is acting like a bridge troll. Dunn/Isis but have qualities of dubiousness, but there's a lot of room to be wrong. Two scum makes it more manageable to make stance on everyone, because you have only to fake associative with one person instead of two or three. Meaning, you can ignore your partner unless prompted. Or, townread them because losing your mate here would be unwise. Obviously bussing can become a concept, but not this early. You won't see scum committing to executing their scumbuddy unless it becomes necessary.

Cakez: Aye. -Nods-.

Unwnd: Infinity is gut town. That is about how far I've gotten. Dunn/Isis are the bottom merely because everyone else is above them. To me it seems infinity really cares about her thoughts in ways that don't seem fragile. The only reason I would disagree with my thought if is infinity as scum has that behavior.

Cakez: Infinity is good at appearances regardless of alignment, in my opinion.

Unwnd: When it comes to similar behavior, I find the best way to conclude is to determine if that behavior is uncanny. Meaning, they are doing it excessively. So far, I'm not sure if that is the case. The baseline for scum behavior is to just replicate your towngame. That's why I've refrained getting deeper in my thoughts, as a lot of people are capable of doing that.

Cakez: Do you think believe Inf is being uncanny?

Unwnd: Not yet.

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okay

for real tho whats your feelings on a utr cropping up quickly

I don't think Koba is UTR?

I want to townread the Dragon for being so earnest and taking a leadership position but I am worried that following their plan will be less fun because they seem to know everything.

Let the dragon show their scales, they will eventually have to give reasons for their reads, being a massive dragon and all

I'd be ok with it if it wasn't koba, the consensus read on koba is usually wrong. I'm sticking with a townread there for now though.

Do you like being righteous as scum? Town? I'm asking this because you give me the impression of will die for what she believes in

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Despite what I said earlier about Inf I think the way she has approached Isis in the last page is a headscratcher. I could follow your convictions on Koba, but I don't know where Isis deserved the TR, especially threatening you with a scumread and all

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Any lead on who you think her partner would be? You/Ydra/Inf having a pow-wow in the recent pages caught my attention

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hi just so people don't see me around site and be like ARGH CAKEZ IS DODGING US
im sorta around i just have a bad migraine so i'm in low brainpower mode rn
since this game just got underway low brainpower no bueno so I'm kinda putting this one on pause until tomorrow

-cake

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..Is this one of those cases then?

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The way you talked about your Koba read could've stopped at 'I think Koba is town' and I would've been fine with it. You instead went on about it, defending that position and calling them a UTR for about four or five more posts. It's fine if you felt you missed something or were responding to inquiries, but it more seemed a bit unprompted. Note that I don't think I've seen your towngame and I'm not a believer that you need to play exactly like you did in the game as scum. I just don't know where Isis also gets a townread, and Ydra as well

Assuming your own reads that would leave

Dunn
Emily
Anya
Me
Tweetie

As potential scum, which to be honest I'd like to hear where you are leaning in this group if you have thoughts

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Tweet is south of null, anya is north of null, everyone else I'm not sure. How do you generally approach reading dunn? In guardians you said something about dunn being more wait-and-see as scum, was that true/can you elaborate? And do you have any first impressions there

Tweet south of null? Is that because she's not active? Re: reading dunn, that was only partially true. Dunn has this essence about him that is really difficult to fake a read on him, so I just had to micromanage. I think I would rather have Dunn respond to me as town so I'm not afraid of calling him out; Impressions are what I've said of him so far

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I don't disagree with that even if he tries not to have him

His behavior is more unkempt as town, often jumping from suspicion to suspicion instead of focusing on routing

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I feel similarly, I always scumread dunn by PoE. Especially since ss3

PEdit: for tweet it's mostly tone and being wishy washy in her first post

Also did you see my reason to TR isis I was proud of how I expressed that one

I would like to give Tweetie time, I think she's easy to be TR if her heart's in it

I understood all your reads given, but dunno why you want to give them so early?

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Mafia can be played in a lot of ways, if the end result were to just townread people and then vote the scums with no ambiguous grey it would be boring

I just think in a setup like this I wouldn't be so forthright

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Have I ever been north of null to unwnd in a game?

Not recently, which is why the comment of 'maybe we suck at reading each other' from popcorn still stands

You do the same thing to me too!

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Popcorn you were scum
Fortress I was scum
TM2020 we were both town but fighting

Need more being town together Dunny, last two were different

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I'm nodding along to your posts Isis so maybe I was wrong to judge you early

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My game literally got nuked by a overzealous ABR who was mad he got limmed

He's sniffing his own farts offsite somewhere

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Oh yeah and his reasoning was mistreatment or something ridiculous

I don't remember exact words he used

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Mafia can be played in a lot of ways, if the end result were to just townread people and then vote the scums with no ambiguous grey it would be boring

I just think in a setup like this I wouldn't be so forthright

Why?

I often have difficulty concealing my opinions, and I feel like if I post enough scum will know where I stand anyway. Also when I want to post in a mafia game I'll post and generally that post will involve thoughts on the game so /shrug

Also the grey area comes in who to townread and why

Could you see yourself sticking with a Isis TR for a long period of time like you've declared about Koba? Ydra?

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I don't see myself re-evaluating isis until at least d2, mostly because I don't think scum!isis will be scummy anytime soon. If isis is scum this game it will probably be tough to determine it.

My ydra townread I need to see more from her but I probably will stick with it for a long time if I decide she's town

Idk. I stick with townreads until I have to let go of them. Until I get better at determining which of my reasons to TR people are good and which are bad, that's kinda what I have to do or else l am super recency biased.

I think this is sensible and you at least know yourself

Last thing I want to ask: In Fortress you practiced more restraint. You did have reads, but I felt like you took your time. I'm surprised of your immediacy. Was that just because of the game environment, or something else?

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So you're charged for this game? Apologies if the frequent questioning is offputting to you. I get the impression you like hashing things out and it helps your reads.

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I noted you had a scumread on me earlier but talked yourself down from it, so I'm not sure how this isn't helping you? You're getting One on One with me

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Tweetie wanna just jot off some reads for me? long-form or short-form

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i don't get the Ydrasse buffs her question asking if anyone townread Infinity and then giving that reverse reasoning seems more auditioney than genuine

i’ll answer tbis when i’m home btw with something serious

okay so basically: in a game based around night action + management, scum wants anything but to be leashed/beholden to the wants of the town because of a scumread, which i believe makes the scum less likely to bus since they're kiiiinda fucked with a game like this that has accountability to it. they want to look towny beyond just like, blending in with town lol but to also escape the naughty dungeon zone where it's obvious if they do or don't do what they want.

sidenote: i townlean emily for her sentiment of "if you call it leashing i don't wanna do it" because that's the exact same way i feel about it and that's probably dumb but i felt it so fucking hard, it's not fun to play like that and it's not fun to follow a leader even if that leader is correct. sometimes you just wanna fuck around and find out.

sidenote, sidenote: can't remember if i said this earlier but i was thinking it, i don't think speculating/paranoia over chrom's alignment is worthwhile to me so long as their plan is helpful, it's possible that they'd like... decide to do +towny things regarding mech i guess? but despite that, and knowing they could do it as scum, i don't really have any reason to scumread them.

anyways. i think that saying that infinity was townier for more scumreads on them might have been pre-emptive because the term i meant was more anti-associatives because town can also scumread scum. so. of the interactions with infinity, i didn't get a whole lot out of it wrt isis and infinity, alignment wise.

If you don't mind

Something I noted about your behavior (as your partner) is that in posts like these you'd leave yourself open to interpretation. You had an intentional choosiness in your words because I think from what I observed you get nervous about being caught, therefore you struggle with read commitments. Not in a sense of this is town and this is scum, rather you would go This is town

but

and then just keep going until the end of a paragraph like thought turbulence. If you wanna use this as future reference (or maybe I'm just posturing) I found those stream of consciousness posts you would use a lot of idks and stopgaps between thought where you couldn't fake actual thought. I'm not seeing the same exact behavior. Do note that I also respect your adaptability, because while your D1 Fortress was flighty flirty and fun, your D2 you were able to make some decisive reads to really distance yourself from me and catboi.

This can be all summarized that I want to believe you're town due to these incremental difference and if the pocket is warm then so be it

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What's your thought on Infinity? You are claiming to be her guardian angel

I was slightly put off by her response to me in #335, because it just seemed like a moment of 'well, you should just believe I have these reads' in an annoyed that I don't believe it way

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That's what makes reading tone from a bunch of text on the screen, not implicit

I could be yelling while typing this post for all you know

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That's actually what confused me about her read on me initially too, she just got off a losing game. I know (especially if it's very recent) if I'm coming into another town game against people I've lost to or misread, I'm gonna look for peer advice on those reads. She instead just instead 'well Ydra is town but also Isis is town' and it really shook my own beliefs. I'm not going to discourage confidence but it should come in hand with consideration

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If you 1v1 make sure it only lasts 9 pages and not 10, if it gets to 10 the thread will be like a hadron collider situation and a black hole will engulf the universe

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Tweetie is null
Emily is..null. Don't think I can read her right now. Her rp in italics was fun then she went a bit serious; feels detached from everything going on
Anya is pretty close to Emily in the (detached) area but I liked a few of her posts so +lean town
Dunn bothers me, if you want to refer back to my own read on him right now and then collab that'd be fine
I am town!

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Everyone who says 'I am bad at scum' is almost always really good and likes to downplay their ability because they secretly enjoy winning as scum

That's a callout to like 2 people in this game

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Isis the enigmatic

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@Mod Could someone hypothetically go to a dungeon alone? Or is it always a party of 4?

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I had JRPG brain typing that and realized there is no limit lol

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@Mod

Also what happens if two or more people choose guillotine? Do you diceroll between the two?

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Emily is..null. Don't think I can read her right now. Her rp in italics was fun then she went a bit serious; feels detached from everything going on

I think my sense of detachment comes from the fact that this group of adventurers is eager to share stories about past exploits and fun that they've had together and talking about things that I can't really relate to? When the conversation goes there I just have trouble following along so I'm happy to sit outside waiting for things to come back to the present because nobody wants to be the spoilsport to ruin an intimate party of friends.

You can be like the sixth party member you get 30 hours into the game

I just hope you're not

A) Secretly the villain
B) Die in a cutscene so I can't use you anymore

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Unwnd you talked to me about restraint earlier, which is interesting because you don't seem very restrained this game. Or, your play could all fit within a "trying to look town" framework, which is not something I expect from you (based on limited experience obviously). Do you have Thoughts on that

New meta has broken my restraint, but also with 9 people I think it's more important to establish presence. In a bigger game there are more voices, but I don't mind commandeering conversation if others don't

Actual personal information about me: I love to write. Mafia has always had an appeal to me because I could just use the thread to interweave my writing sensibilities and play a game at the same time.

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I think you should try it and see what happens, I would enjoy reading it as well

Thank you by the way, my dream is to be a Screenwriter and I'm gonna go for it in the fall all or nothing

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Emily your writing was good too by the way

I am a huge proprietor of if people are enjoying themselves, they will be easier to read

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Emily I have played with every person in this playerlist at least one time, except for you, depending if you're an alt. I suspect other players in the game have many pairwise records like that too. I've possibly played over ten games with Dunnstral, probably.
I assumed you were probably Hectic or Pooky or some other enfranchised player, maybe a Kanna who had just gotten a lot more free time, or Karin, Pooky, or beeboy.

It does feel like an intimate gathering of friends. Seeing the way other people approach a deep social game like mafia makes me feel connected to them, even the ones I don't know in any capacity outside of mafia. Sometimes especially those ones? They all feel incredibly familiar to me. Even if I have less total bits of information about them, all the interactions being reduced to text, the reliability and purity of everyone's signature is preserved in a sort of special way. No one ever has smeared makeup that ruins the way I envision them. No one's voice ever cracks to ruin a savvy quip in line with some facet of their personality.

The economist in me always feels like this site needs to grow and stuff, but the community's incredible retention rate makes it a greenhouse of vibrant friendships and relationships, shared memories and expected personality interactions. It's a place where in its own way I understand lots of people and yet am understood.

I feel really sappy today. My doctor said my dosage might have some emotional effects.

I suspect this game will be special to me no matter who wins it. I didn't read a single player's name besides Dunnstral who invited me, and yet it's nothing but familiar faces.

I feel the weird need to express something that I can't quite put into words. But I saw a friend I hadn't seen in two years and Saturday and he asked what I'd been up to. I lie when someone isn't really interested. He actually was though. I told him about the crazy forum mafia thing. One particular site for it.
So much of me is here.

But like

I'm terrible meandering
We need to like
Get you into this game. And out of some kind of low information stage kind of relationship with it.

I guess I'll ask you about the resonance you had with Ydrasse, or she claims with you, about wanting to not be leashed but to be helpful.
Im trying to decide if I should clear you, or her, or both of you off of it. Because I think there is some world where mafia could imagine it as a hypothetical, but it is slightly hard to fake. For one thing mafia would be in the headspace where if they're leashed they will probably do the thing infy suggested where they shoot someone and nope on out the game?

Not gonna edit this or read pedits

I agree with you and thought this was beautiful to read

I wouldn't even mind if Koba wanted to try and be more personable, I think that would tear down some walls between us

My initial response to be all 'rah' with them is that they're very competitive and don't see aspects as you've described

Warm fuzzy feelings damn

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The greatest dungeon we can prepare for is the dungeon of uncertainty

But with a sharpened blade of wisdom, an armor sheered with self-confidence, and close companions side by side

We can conquer anything!

[This is the part of the JRPG where friendship is the moral of the story and we defeat God himself]

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Baker's log #1

Today was the first day. The start of everything. A group of strangers, each taken in by the law. Each of us shackled. We were guilty in the eyes of the monarchy, sentenced to death no less. None to our surprise, we stood in front of King Oka. To him, we were an unpleasant sight. Uncouth, not even worth his time. We were to be punished by the full extent of the law. Nay, a proposal. Uttered by his kingly lips. He decreed: If we were to bring back the One-Shottus Cop, we would be absolved of our crimes. The task at hand felt no lesser than damnation itself. Were we to die as innocent criminals? Or fools in the darkest of dungeons. His knights had no parting words, and instead left us to our own devices. The thought what had been done to us only lingered for a period of time. No matter, our destiny was to unfold. A mix of emotions and a sense of uneasiness. Some stared at another. Some still rubbing their wrists. To be treated by the knights much like the soil beneath our feet. Despite it all, we faced towards the sun. Our hearts seemed filled with adventure, ready to take on even the most boundless sky. A sense of optimism in our trying time.

A captured memory, that my pen could only describe:

The effervescent mage, lost in her own books.
The scaly lizard, with a fire sizzled at the touch.
The profound gypsy, with her own musings to be told around the campfire.
The young girl trying to prove to her parents that she too, could be a knight.
The daring thief, whose snark sounded like the crack of a whip.
The bat, hiding from the sunlight.
The illusive conjurer, who murmured to himself many an incantation of numbers.
The bard, singing her songs of solemn and prose.
And I, of no name. No background. Amongst them all.

Each of us provided our skill and adaptability to the situation. We could tell in that moment, that perhaps the dungeon naught be the greatest task. It was coming to understand everyone else...

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They came out of the gate soft-pushing me and that has continued through the rest of their posting

Getting mad when Chromium listed out a mechanical plan and then making a big deal out of it was scummy

It feels like they're positioning themselves to be read favorable rather than figure out what we should be doing with the setup at this point

Speaking of, I'm fine with the dungeon plan

This is just grab-bag of opinions that don't properly depict what has happened so far lol

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Spoiler:

I'm not good at describing the picture, so my writing may seem a bit muddled. I struggle with the actual visuals in my writing. I feel my skillset is more of what the characters are thinking inside of their mind

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I'm absolutely fine with everyone taking my recent discussions that are not synonymous to mafia talk as NAI

I stepped outside of that game in that moment, and regardless of my alignment meant what I've said

It wasn't about being favorable, it was just expression

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Dunn do you even know my stances on mechanics because I'm pretty sure I've talked about it before

Why is your idea of 'i scumread you' especially when it comes to me

Mean we have to commence battle? Even when I was scum in Fortress I was very agitated by this

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If you think me wistfully describing my goals to be a screenwriter and encouraging Infinity's poetry is something that can be logically surmised in mafia you're wrong

If you don't want me to do that, I won't

Read me on another aspect

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Why is your idea of 'i scumread you' especially when it comes to me

Mean we have to commence battle? Even when I was scum in Fortress I was very agitated by this

That's not what happened in fortress, I talked with the other guy and he seemed genuine in a way that you did not

I was pretty much begging for any sort of reasoning to latch onto and you remained steadfast at any attempt lol

What makes this different?

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Pedit:

Freudian slip

I meant similar

Either way I'm not a goddamn fool, I wouldn't try the same tricks twice

I just know myself to some degree and can tap into it as scum

I don't wanna go on about this further

What are some things you want to ask me?

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There's better ways to figure out my alignment if you're being sincere with me Dunn

I don't actually enjoy continually just trying to one-up someone in an argument. I would even say that I hate it.

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Just so you know, I don't really take scumreading you in Popcorn as the defining moment in how I approach your slot from here on. I think my educated guesses about you littered through out this thread are not absolute and I'm not sure if your offense is taken because you believe they are? Or that I'm trying to sink your slot.

II offered to meet halfway. If your idea of me wanting to look good is compliments and sharing a nice moment, that's not something in my playbook. Furthermore, I don't see where 'not following mechanics' is a reason that follows either, given that

1) There is stances of mine that relate to mechanics, briefly
2) Mechanics, and I've said this before, are the easiest fucking thing to fake and are only specific to alignment based on how they are used, not talked about

I wouldn't break my own predisposed rules here, and I especially wouldn't do it as town. I didn't like your approach initially because of 2). You have said at least to me that you are omgusy to people with bad reasoning. OK. I get that, but if I do know something of myself it's that scum have indignant behavior. Do you really think that my goal as scum is to approach you with a bad read again? I almost lost because I was forced to give a read, I would've definitely been fine just kissing your ass. The circumstances here are different and for my sake I want you to rethink the approach, because it will probably help future games as well. I meant what I said where 'I feel we suck at reading each other' and I don't know where it started.

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I'll give you a proper response in the morning Dunn

I think Cakez might come around and do some catch-up, so might come after that

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ITS YA BOI SIRCAKEZ HERE FEELING BETTER AND READY TO READ 15 PAGES

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Why is it too early?

because they could be nothing

I've said Hi twice now cakez so that must be why we're so scummy

MY BRILLIANT HYDRA PARTNER IS CORRECT WE ARE JUST SCUM TRYING TO BE TOO FRIENDLY

Why is it too early?

One of them is the fact I can't vote and the other is that I think everyone here has a depth to them that I wouldn't trust base impressions to have a proper read on

also @Dunn this we can't even really pressure people

alisae is gonna hate me cuz i spammed up 6 pages lol

I also hate you for this

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??

Thought your opening was a bit too preemptive for my liking, you usually let things stew before declaring how something should be done

I will say unwnd and I agree on this.

??

Thought your opening was a bit too preemptive for my liking, you usually let things stew before declaring how something should be done

Lame reasoning imo

it's page six what were you expecting?

I also volunteer to set up guillotine if another person isnt chosen

is this LAMISTy or is it just me

the consensus read on koba is usually wrong.

says who? i've never heard this before

Cakez who is your hydra partner
Does this game have two hydras

unwnd
and yes

Did you know nobody has ever invited me to hydra with them ever

wanna hydra with me later

[srckz]

I am still far back but I am not getting usual town vibes from Tweet and it has me SERIOUSLY disturbed

[srckz]

I'm such a degenerate

I'm such a degenerate

I'm such a degenerate

I'm such a degenerate

I'm such a degenerate

I'm such a degenerate

I'm such a degenerate

I'm such a degenerate

I'm such a degenerate

I'm such a degenerate

I'm such a degenerate

[srckz]

WHY ARE THERE SO MANY POSTS

[srckz]

Ydrasse is advantageous to townread because she's very towny

PEdit: there's thought out wallposty isis. That isis is easier to sort I think.

I wish Infinity had a different avatar because IT MAKES IT VERY HARD TO SCUMREAD HER

@Isis can you try to make more of an effort to check if your posts would make sense to others before posting

Hallmonitor

I've never actually heard this argument used before but it makes sense very interesting

Have I ever been north of null to unwnd in a game?

you have for me (ex popcorn and recent astral deck game)! and I find you suspicious so

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I understand that trying to have scum do it is slightly better..... i assume

But i also somewhat doubt you're getting above random % picking it on the 4 day D1 with no info and maybe there's a reason to have the same person do it over and over again or something which sounds attractive to me

i suppose the actual reason is i want to have this discussion i guess.

Imo we should just have the scummiest person do it and take our ~random chance

so if Tweet is volunteering to do it then I don't see a problem here

So really I dont know why i wanted it exactly. I'll still take it tho for the aforementioned irony cause that's sort of amusing

really hate this doesn't feel like town Tweet at all

Isis is here

didn't know you left!

I really badly want to TR unwnd for that ydrasse read but unfortunately that's probably the type of analysis that's not that much harder as scum than town

I could be wrong

you should just do it anyways

[srckz]

stopping at top of page 17 b/c i gotta go to class
i can already tell this game will be hard
sigh

-cake

[srckz]

finishing catch up now
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[srckz]

Emily is..null. Don't think I can read her right now. Her rp in italics was fun then she went a bit serious; feels detached from everything going on

I think my sense of detachment comes from the fact that this group of adventurers is eager to share stories about past exploits and fun that they've had together and talking about things that I can't really relate to? When the conversation goes there I just have trouble following along so I'm happy to sit outside waiting for things to come back to the present because nobody wants to be the spoilsport to ruin an intimate party of friends.

You can be like the sixth party member you get 30 hours into the game

I just hope you're not

A) Secretly the villain
B) Die in a cutscene so I can't use you anymore

FIRE EMBLEM THOUGH????

Your writing is lovely SrCkz

no one ever says this to me

Emily I have played with every person in this playerlist at least one time, except for you, depending if you're an alt. I suspect other players in the game have many pairwise records like that too. I've possibly played over ten games with Dunnstral, probably.
I assumed you were probably Hectic or Pooky or some other enfranchised player, maybe a Kanna who had just gotten a lot more free time, or Karin, Pooky, or beeboy.

It does feel like an intimate gathering of friends. Seeing the way other people approach a deep social game like mafia makes me feel connected to them, even the ones I don't know in any capacity outside of mafia. Sometimes especially those ones? They all feel incredibly familiar to me. Even if I have less total bits of information about them, all the interactions being reduced to text, the reliability and purity of everyone's signature is preserved in a sort of special way. No one ever has smeared makeup that ruins the way I envision them. No one's voice ever cracks to ruin a savvy quip in line with some facet of their personality.

The economist in me always feels like this site needs to grow and stuff, but the community's incredible retention rate makes it a greenhouse of vibrant friendships and relationships, shared memories and expected personality interactions. It's a place where in its own way I understand lots of people and yet am understood.

I feel really sappy today. My doctor said my dosage might have some emotional effects.

I suspect this game will be special to me no matter who wins it. I didn't read a single player's name besides Dunnstral who invited me, and yet it's nothing but familiar faces.

I feel the weird need to express something that I can't quite put into words. But I saw a friend I hadn't seen in two years and Saturday and he asked what I'd been up to. I lie when someone isn't really interested. He actually was though. I told him about the crazy forum mafia thing. One particular site for it.
So much of me is here.

But like

I'm terrible meandering
We need to like
Get you into this game. And out of some kind of low information stage kind of relationship with it.

I guess I'll ask you about the resonance you had with Ydrasse, or she claims with you, about wanting to not be leashed but to be helpful.
Im trying to decide if I should clear you, or her, or both of you off of it. Because I think there is some world where mafia could imagine it as a hypothetical, but it is slightly hard to fake. For one thing mafia would be in the headspace where if they're leashed they will probably do the thing infy suggested where they shoot someone and nope on out the game?

Not gonna edit this or read pedits

I swear to god if you're scum I'm gonna cry
I HAVE THE WARM FUZZIES!!

[srckz]

HEAL: isis
HEAL: chromium
HEAL: emily
HURT: tweet
HURT: dunn

atm

[srckz]

The effervescent mage, lost in her own books.
The scaly lizard, with a fire sizzled at the touch.
The profound gypsy, with her own musings to be told around the campfire.
The young girl trying to prove to her parents that she too, could be a knight.
The daring thief, whose snark sounded like the crack of a whip.
The bat, hiding from the sunlight.
The illusive conjurer, who murmured to himself many an incantation of numbers.
The bard, singing her songs of solemn and prose.
And I, of no name. No background. Amongst them all.

who is who?

[srckz]

i'm pretty sure unwnd only invited me to this so he can improve his read accuracy of me <.<

-cake

maybe if I hydra'd with you I wouldn't be throwing the game trying to kill you for no reason >_<

yeah maybe LOL
the cake brain is dark and complex and difficult to understand

Starting from the beginning: I was moderately excited for this game, personally I feel the setup is a little rough around the edges but I like the theme and the unique mechanic. I spent some time thinking about optimal play and what I argued for was what I had come up with while people were confirming.

I did not excessively discuss mechanics, only really talking about them again in 108 in response to a suggestion for self-destructive town behavior. Most of my content around this point is me asking questions, though that wasn't intentional:

-138 is trying to get a response from you as to why talking about reads is too early since I don't agree with that
-141 is me wondering if Infinity misunderstands the setup or if they assume would ditch the dungeon (I think this was answered before I asked)
-144 was a remark about how you said we were usually opposite alignments but you mistook it as me asking you for your read on me
-333 is a mechanical question since I assumed it would be 3 people for the dungeon either way, I'm not convinced that investigating player levels is a good plan over simply having people in the dungeon normally
-338 is me being snappy
-364 is me getting more out of morning tweet because the stance they held in the previous post did not feel towny

what is the point of this post?

morningtweet said she found this setup boring in hindsight and i think someone's mind is more likely to change when rolling wolf bc trying to figure out the best contraption for town is always more fun when you're also town

also the way she proposes herself to go collect logs to build the guillotine and then talks about how there's no reason to propose herself and it just makes her look like a wolfy lumberjack which means she should just go anyway feels contrived and from a lurker in the night

good analysis. I have similar feelings about tweet.

says who? i've never heard this before

Says me

Thinking back maybe this isn't as true as I thought but on average they are more TRed as scum for sure

ok I don't have much recent koba experience but this doesn't really ring true imo

Koba I've put a lot of care into my reads this game, maybe not the one on you because I agree with the consensus that you're town and nothing about your play has made me question that but overall it isn't fair to say that I haven't put care into my reads this game

much of Inf has not stuck out but this reaction irks me
feels very appease-y

I feel my posts are very obviously me
and Im too lazy to type -cake ten times in a catchup

-cake

[srckz]

honestly this catchup didn't do much for me. a lot of words being sprayed but im not seeing much that sticks out to me.
well its done now.

-cake

[srckz]

I guess a lot of my apprehension about Ydrasse & SrCkz interacting with each other is that they write so many words about each other and so well but I'm not sure it's all real?

It's like they are trying to create something that is not there and I'm wondering perhaps you are more familiar with them and have a better idea of what they are doing?

I guess it could just be my foolish heart feeling the pangs of rejection.

I was just scum with her so I guess I felt like I had the proper attire to court her own words. I could be flat fucking wrong still

Rejection though? I don't feel like I've rejected anyone besides maybe Dunn

Which I need to respond to

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Cake do you and unwnd discuss things about this game?

Because it feels like you are catching up from nothing...

i am talking to unwnd on discord. im just not dumping everything we've discussed in thread.
for example - we agree that Dunn looks weird and that Chromium feels town.

-cake

[srckz]

Cakez is a simple man. His thoughts usually don't go beyond one sentence responses in comparison to mine. It's been a lot of nodding and agreeing, sometimes with me dumping info. My intent initially was to try and be more like Cakez (because I don't see his style as something inferior), but I ended up just being me

What an affliction to put on us

[srckz]

I was just scum with her so I guess I felt like I had the proper attire to court her own words. I could be flat fucking wrong still

Rejection though? I don't feel like I've rejected anyone besides maybe Dunn

Which I need to respond to

I guess I don't see why you would want to point out a weakness in her scum game that you noticed as her partner?

Or am I just reading your post incorrectly?

No, that was indeed the intent behind that post. As for why? Because I wanted to gauge her reaction firstly. Secondly, Ydra's (old) style complimented her partners in such a way that made almost all of her posts close to anti-spew. If she's scum this game and I'm giving off an inaccurate read, I wanted to force her hand. I put in her in a situation where I don't think she'd want to blow her cover. I don't know how much she respects my towngame but it was almost like a call-out. If she's town however? We reached some understanding and I got something out of it.

[srckz]

I have seen a more despondent Tweetie in other games

I'm pretty sure I even scumread the behavior in Flavor Leaf vs Hectic (wrongly)

Tweetie what's making you this way? Are you just not getting anything out of the thread?

[srckz]

No, that was indeed the intent behind that post. As for why? Because I wanted to gauge her reaction firstly. Secondly, Ydra's (old) style complimented her partners in such a way that made almost all of her posts close to anti-spew. If she's scum this game and I'm giving off an inaccurate read, I wanted to force her hand. I put in her in a situation where I don't think she'd want to blow her cover. I don't know how much she respects my towngame but it was almost like a call-out. If she's town however? We reached some understanding and I got something out of it.

I have thoughts on this response but I want to take the time to think it over some more. I'm not entirely satisfied one way or the other.

If you weren't satisfied due lack of comprehension I could clarify it further? I can't say I was fully satisfied with my own answer because it had more intricacy than I provided

[srckz]

Starting from the beginning: I was moderately excited for this game, personally I feel the setup is a little rough around the edges but I like the theme and the unique mechanic. I spent some time thinking about optimal play and what I argued for was what I had come up with while people were confirming.

I did not excessively discuss mechanics, only really talking about them again in 108 in response to a suggestion for self-destructive town behavior. Most of my content around this point is me asking questions, though that wasn't intentional:

-138 is trying to get a response from you as to why talking about reads is too early since I don't agree with that
-141 is me wondering if Infinity misunderstands the setup or if they assume would ditch the dungeon (I think this was answered before I asked)
-144 was a remark about how you said we were usually opposite alignments but you mistook it as me asking you for your read on me
-333 is a mechanical question since I assumed it would be 3 people for the dungeon either way, I'm not convinced that investigating player levels is a good plan over simply having people in the dungeon normally
-338 is me being snappy
-364 is me getting more out of morning tweet because the stance they held in the previous post did not feel towny

Breaking this down in chunks:

-138 is trying to get a response from you as to why talking about reads is too early since I don't agree with that

I've been going back and forth with cakez about the dreaded D1 reads. I don't like giving them out unless it becomes like a bookmark, something I can look back on or others can. There are leanings and gut feelings I had, but I like to leave scum guessing. Scum's job is basically to interact with the town not the other way around, so being more vague puts them in a situation where they have to approach me with a risk as they don't know what I'm (mostly) thinking.

-141 is me wondering if Infinity misunderstands the setup or if they assume would ditch the dungeon (I think this was answered before I asked)

Do you think Infinity's misunderstanding was intentional? Or if said misunderstanding was townie, because scum would be more cognizant of how the setup works?

-144 was a remark about how you said we were usually opposite alignments but you mistook it as me asking you for your read on me

I probably did. I still feel very dubious about you but hopefully this will help lol

-333 is a mechanical question since I assumed it would be 3 people for the dungeon either way, I'm not convinced that investigating player levels is a good plan over simply having people in the dungeon normally

I don't think it's a great plan either. I have been thinking myself on how to use the setup to our advantage, but usually my thoughts conclude with a more simple approach. Getting PRs is good for town and will make the game easier. I'll have more to talk about the next day as I want to assume the person who gets the tracker will claim it?

-338 is me being snappy

Yes I'm aware you were snappy as was I.

-364 is me getting more out of morning tweet because the stance they held in the previous post did not feel towny

So you agree with consensus then?

[srckz]

does it feel like scum Tweet though? Feel like I've played scum with you maybe more times than town to be honest

shush i remember your town game

-cake

[srckz]

Cake do you and unwnd discuss things about this game?

Because it feels like you are catching up from nothing...

i am talking to unwnd on discord. im just not dumping everything we've discussed in thread.
for example - we agree that Dunn looks weird and that Chromium feels town.

-cake

I don't expect you/unwnd to dump everything you've discussed in discord into this thread.

However your catchup feels like its coming from a blank slate rather than from someone who's been actively discussing the game with his partner in a discord.

And I have lots of concern about that.

okay there's not much I can say to this

Cakez is a simple man. His thoughts usually don't go beyond one sentence responses in comparison to mine. It's been a lot of nodding and agreeing, sometimes with me dumping info. My intent initially was to try and be more like Cakez (because I don't see his style as something inferior), but I ended up just being me

What an affliction to put on us

ya like
unwnd clearly thinks A LOT about mafia
I don't think that much; I rely mostly on how I feel about things and what pings me
and that's fine

I've been going back and forth with cakez about the dreaded D1 reads.

I feel fine just calling people town and scum early lol unwnd is v different

-cake

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Cakez is Cakez, the hydra dissonance is something to be worked on. I don't want this to turn into a situation that has happened before in my last hydra: People are reading us seperately. If you scumread cakez then you scumread me, and I'm not going to try and correct his behavior. There's no need to, especially given as the other head I can tell you it's misguided.

If the person who gets the tracker is town and claims it, there's a good chance that they just die; I don't see why they'd claim before us

This..agitates me a bit. I understand what you're saying though. I believe dungeoneers get to see who goes to the dungeon though? I've been thinking on how we could use that to check people but I'm not really seeing anything beneficial. Nothing besides the rewards at least. The other concept (unrelated to your response) is the guillotine. Using the guillotine as a timeout seems fine on paper, but I think it has repercussions. I haven't been keen on doing the whole hurt/heal deal because of that.

First off: If the Guillotine responsibility holder dies overnight, what happens? Does it just make this another day with no execution? I think scum is perfectly fine with removing the most important aspect to town which is deciding eliminations. I understand trying to gate people from going to the dungeon, but scum doesn't care too much. Your point about 'if tracker claims then he dies' is very potent to me in that sense. I think people are thinking too hard about leveling for the scum side and I'm sure there's an argument for 'yeah well if the guillotine holder is scum then he gets no levels' and from where I'm sitting almost every single incentive is for town.

Scum can't even multi-task

. One of them at best submits the kill and the other gets what. A single level. Why not just let people compulsory decide if they're going to the dungeon? Or set up a plan that we could somehow reach the cop incentive before scum kill us off. You're the one with numbers.

[srckz]

But why is unwnd talking mechanics he didn't do in Fortress I thought he hated them

It's because it's necessary especially when I disagree in how they're being used.

@Mod

Is the guillotine holder announced as well?

Fixed

[srckz]

If the Guillotine responsibility holder dies overnight, what happens? Does it just make this another day with no execution?

Well in that case, great, scum killed the player we wanted to elim anyway

Why don't we just

Eliminate the player we want to eliminate? If you give scum a hashed out plan against them all they're going to do is play along nicely or find ways to go around it. Town can only vote and maybe get a PR. Scum just kills problems and then your idea of 'well great scum killed the player we wanted to elim anyways' then that's one less town player who could level and potentially get something useful like a cop.

[srckz]

But why is unwnd talking mechanics he didn't do in Fortress I thought he hated them

It's because it's necessary especially when I disagree in how they're being used.

@Mod

Is the guillotine holder announced as well?

Let me know if this answers the question I am not exactly sure what you mean. If you mean "does whoever prep the guillotine get publicly confirmed in this thread by OkaPoka as prepping the guillotine?", then no.

That answered it, thanks

[srckz]

Why not just let people compulsory decide if they're going to the dungeon? Or set up a plan that we could somehow reach the cop incentive before scum kill us off. You're the one with numbers.

The plan for us to get the cop is the plan where we abandon the tracker and level up instead in hopes of getting the other rewards

The other plan is that we instead use the dungeon to take advantage of the 'no multitasking' rule to try to get two scum in the dungeon/guillotine, but even if only one scum is in the dungeon/guillotine there's still an unspoken second phase to this plan

I don't see how letting people decide where they want to go is a better idea than assigning people locations, it seems worse because then there's no chance of both scum being in the same area, and sure, we can read into that, but it's more reliable to have mechanical data that says two people can't be scum together

Let's do that then? Everyone just keep leveling up until cop comes around and then we all throw ourselves at the dungeon. Anyone who doesn't agree is scum-claiming. Hell, even force scum to do it as long as we still have numbers.

Alternatively, initial thought was that we could all dungeon tonight and make sure scum

can't

level up. I think the first solution is probably apt though and agree with Isis that Tracker is kinda shit

[srckz]

I think Guillotine should be a volunteer service, not forced

Town might be pissy about it, but scum will be extra pissy

Tweetie has already volunteered and is scumread by a good degree, why not let her?

[srckz]

If she is just saying that as a feint to seem townie

Then if the guillotine isn't prepped we know

Furthermore, if Tweetie dies after claiming she'll do it

We also know

[srckz]

You know I just thought about it

Why not force the two scummiest players to go the dungeon

They literally cannot multitask, meaning they can't kill and do dungeon stuff right?

[srckz]

So what they get a tracker what are they going to track air

Nobody has PRs

[srckz]

You could even still make 'the person we want to eliminate' at guillotine

That's 3 people forced into inaction

5 townies leveling at a rate of 1. Let's assume scum kills one of the townies

N1: 1+1+1+1+1 = 5
N2: 2+2+2+2 = 8 (More than enough already for the watcher and cop lmao)
N3: 3+3+3 = 9 (Game goes nightless amazing)

[srckz]

Oka didn't really think about if town were to just powergrind and then mechanically force scum into their own death imo

Scummiest people should go to the dungeon tonight, if they survive big whoop they got a tracker
Towniest people should be leveling

[srckz]

As long as we have numbers if we ever decide to go for cop

RNG will favor us, given that it's dicerolled who gets it

[srckz]

@Mod Can scum go to a dungeon and factional kill at the same time?

[srckz]

There's your answer!!!

[srckz]

Huge brain unwnd breaks the setup and forces scum to either die or give up NKs

[srckz]

Oh yeah I'm just being facetious

Let's do the rest of the day to do that then instead of that hurt/heal nonsense

[srckz]

Give scum a weak tracker or give it to town who could maybe use it later

2 scummy people 1 babysitter to dungeon, if you're evil you just say 'these two people must be the only ones to go to dungeon' and they just die. That'd leave us at 7/2 which would give us like 3 days of MLs and by then we can already get the cop lol

1 volunteer at the guillotine

[srckz]

If no kill happens and two people you suspect went to the dungeon that makes it a 50/50, potentially both

Let's not forget that Guillotine is a task in itself as well

[srckz]

Oh yeah I'm just being facetious

Let's do the rest of the day to do that then instead of that hurt/heal nonsense

That's like, the purpose of the hurt/heal stuff

Not from what I understood? You were healing people you townread lol

[srckz]

Unwnd I'm confused by your posts.

Do you agree with me that two name tags that day dungeon duty and one nametag that says guillotine duty is optimal

I like volunteering for guillotine more but if people wanna use it as a leash, I talked myself into it in the span of the 5ish or so posts I've made

[srckz]

If that was the plan I severely missed it infinity

I guess I would be fine with that

[srckz]

If I had to guess most people want this

Dungeon duty
Anya
Morning Tweet
(Dunn?)


Guillotine holderz
Infinity

Grind gang
Isis
Koba
Ydra
Emily
Me?

[srckz]

So you too are willing to risk losing two town because one of them could be potentially mafia and just die right?

[srckz]

I'm willing to throw a curveball

I am annoyed at being suspected/tinfoiled

I will go to the dungeon tonight and either

A) Die a hero
B) Go with someone you believe is scummy and die with them

You could even let me choose if that's what you wanted

[srckz]

Fine with not being a martyr but getting a shit tracker sounds fun

Also I laugh in the face of danger

I'll die a spike trap or the arrows anyways

[srckz]

So you too are willing to risk losing two town because one of them could be potentially mafia and just die right?

They are eliminations.
Not killing as many people as we can this way is the same as being one of the people in a newbie game that says "we should no lim day 1 till we get more info because if we lim we might kill a townie"

FWIW I agree with you

Now get everyone on board

[srckz]

I understood what you meant about their scum partner coming along to save them but if they do lol they can't kill

[srckz]

Infy you're just willing to die? Do you think tweetie is scum?

[srckz]

Infy tweet quest.

Anya guillo
Everyone else grind

[srckz]

If you get the other people on board then I'd be willing to end day

I'd like to hear both of their reads though

[srckz]

roleblocking 4 people

Where do you see this? Nobody dies if the dungeon is cleared lol

[srckz]

Huge brain unwnd breaks the setup and forces scum to either die or give up NKs

I can't tell if you are being serious or trying to troll the Dragon Person because of your longstanding rivalry with them.

Koba is just another mafia player to me

The means of which we interact is often the choice of the individual

I'm not really one to spitefully go after someone or do things with ulterior motive

[srckz]

The only time this strategy would be viable is for tonight.

I would not simply go 'ok let's throw some more scumreads into the dungeon'

This is probably the only time we would be able to make that risk

[srckz]

I nominate myself to the dungeon

[srckz]

I nominate myself to the dungeon

why?

Because my heart is filled with adventure

[srckz]

Also because I either want to die a townie or live long enough to become a PR

[srckz]

Do you really think I would stoop to fucking LAMIST as scum

[srckz]

I think it's very boring and a weak way to win the hearts of townies

I usually try to make them agree with my logic but then I fall back on the secondary trait of emotional resonance

As town I'm a thrillseeker and believe with just going for it

You never know what's gonna happen

[srckz]

I think it's very boring and a weak way to win the hearts of townies

I usually try to make them agree with my logic but then I fall back on the secondary trait of emotional resonance

As town I'm a thrillseeker and believe with just going for it

You never know what's gonna happen

Affairs of the Heart are so thrilling and wonderful, hopeless romance under the stars.

Logic and Reason so brutally cold, chains of frost, a prison of ice.

My problem is that I will absolutely do what it takes in order to win. I put on a brave face and march forward towards adversity because the mod declared 'you win when you kill all the townies'. By any means necessary. I was just doing my job. Following orders. Base captured and flag raised.

But when I'm town? It's not the same. The inner voice speaks, and I listen. I don't have to snuff it out. It's telling me 'go the dungeon unwnd there's a chance you get a PR and if you just die then you had fun doing it' and I go 'tbh he's got a point'

[srckz]

but what if your inner voice is a wolf and is manipulating you

I would have MPD?

I need to stop doing this

[srckz]

Hi

The reason I wanted to do 2 dungeon to die and 1 guillotine is because I'm pretty sure I've seen the whole game have this consensus

Tweet/Infinity are scum, then maybe like one or two scattershot opinions like..me or anya potentially being scum. Let me just state that I am very cautious to think the solve is justTweet/Infinity. If they were both just playing at such a level where town all magically synchronized on D1 and found each other as town, that I wouldn't even care about PRs. We found the scum and the solve has been put forth. I think what made me want to dismantle the plan (or go against it) is that I'm personally not looking forward to not one but two days of confbias because we don't have an elimination, therefore the dungeon could be like a d1 elimination.

[srckz]

So what are we gonna do next day after going through with everything? Lim infinity? Tweet? That's just more wasted time for an end result in my opinion

[srckz]

Why is it a mislim if Infinity/Tweet has scum lol

[srckz]

Man that was a really bad post, almost TMI worthy

[srckz]

Run your thought back

Is Infinity/Tweet just mislims? What's the fucking point then if you think that

[srckz]

Hi I don't care about your stupid plan what's your read on Infinity/Tweet specifically

You called it a mislim just now

what if one of them is town? What we doing then?

50/50 trade?

[srckz]

All I want is a read that is not contingent on the plan

That's what daytalk is about

[srckz]

Why are you so hesitant to give a read

What point is there following a leader who apparently has nothing to say

[srckz]

The silence is defeaning

[srckz]

No don't ruin my pressure anya shoo

[srckz]

If they come back to talk more about the plan I will do a backflip into a freezing lake

[srckz]

Koba really just leave like that and couldn't clarify on two reads

[srckz]

I'm not following any plan they make from any point forward and anyone who does is a fucking fool

[srckz]

I'm not sure

Let's redraft something because Koba is clearly not fit to lead

Single sentence rant dialogue here

I'm sure this will frustrate them endlessly and they'll claim it's grudge or whatever

But if I can't make it clear enough

Koba is just a mafia player to me, filled with the same inconsistencies and bad logic

This is not something exclusive to them, I would really guess it's just inexperience/unwillingness

And this is not me even trying to talk down to them, but every word I write is like knives

I don't know how to much longer approach the situation

I would have more faith in a plan if it were devised by someone who was actually doing things to move it forward

Not just sitting there and yelling at anyone who disagrees with it's content

Plans are easy to make

But execution and confidence is key

I don't really see the confidence in their own plan if giving out a read is so difficult

That they just fucking leave

[srckz]

If you put it in laymen's terms or even as a bulletpoint step 1-5 etc.

I will happily talk to you about it

[srckz]

I mean you might've misunderstood me but I mean like

A bulletpoint list
Not bulletproof

I just want to see the steps behind it in one place

Also I am understanding of the situation re: potential mylo if they're just townies, that's actually what bothered me because I don't really think Infinity/Tweet is just the solve lol

[srckz]

So what is the idea right now?

Meaning, who's going where

I would appreciate if you gave a second glance to my interaction with Koba starting at #941, personally I found it TMI scummy and their silence is just making me really confbiased. Our styles must be like water and oil though and I don't assume I just have to be right lol

[srckz]

I'm hungry for feedback on my Koba interactions so I don't feel like a confbiasing idiot

[srckz]

Hi

The reason I wanted to do 2 dungeon to die and 1 guillotine is because I'm pretty sure I've seen the whole game have this consensus

Tweet/Infinity are scum, then maybe like one or two scattershot opinions like..me or anya potentially being scum. Let me just state that I am very cautious to think the solve is justTweet/Infinity. If they were both just playing at such a level where town all magically synchronized on D1 and found each other as town, that I wouldn't even care about PRs. We found the scum and the solve has been put forth. I think what made me want to dismantle the plan (or go against it) is that I'm personally not looking forward to not one but two days of confbias because we don't have an elimination, therefore the dungeon could be like a d1 elimination.

did you like ignore everything i wrote countering that?

So what are we gonna do next day after going through with everything? Lim infinity? Tweet? That's just more wasted time for an end result in my opinion

Why would we have 2 days without an elim?

The n1 dungeon in a "send 2" case would be a mislim,

not an elimination.

Why is it a mislim if Infinity/Tweet has scum lol

Man that was a really bad post, almost TMI worthy

This is what bothered me initially, calling Infinity/Tweet mislims. Then when I asked 'why did you call it a mislim' they just said 'fuck off im not explaining' and never clarified how they actually read Infinity and Tweetie lol

[srckz]

The whole game has pretty much not townread either Infiinity/Tweetie which by that faith alone I would assume they think both are scum

That was the logic I was operating on, therefore calling that a mislim felt like TMI

[srckz]

I agree that they way koba interacted with you and didn't give reads on me/tweet (on record as both scumreads btw) is scummy.

Yes that is the crux of my argument and what's important

I'm a bit tired (I shot out of bed to play fucking mafia, without coffee no less) so I could be lacking coherency

[srckz]

i'm not sure

maybe you're both town and your rivalry clouds your judgement

the vampire bat and isis reign supreme as they watch the gladiatorial combat from the stands

Having a rivalry with Koba would be the same as having a rivalry with one of my neighbors for simply existing

It's not that serious, but I do have noise complaints from time to time

[srckz]

I'm not because they hate me just for simply acknowledging their own noise and not putting up with it

[srckz]

Emily didn't seem keen on making a step-by-step process of what's happening right now so if you did it Isis just so everyone (and myself) is on the same page that would be helpful

[srckz]

I legitimately don't even know who's supposed to go to the dungeon

I've been at Infinity/Tweetie both scummy we are trying to leash them or to something of that effect

[srckz]

Consensus sooner rather than later because if someone is not on board or it's not clearly directed

This can happen

'oh sorry you didn't tell me I had to go the dungeon so that's why I wasn't there'

Argument becomes NAI or really difficult to argue against

[srckz]

Wasn't koba supposed to be keeping track of the Hurt/Heals or something

Wasn't anyone

I guess I'll just go search Hurt and Heal and count everything

[srckz]

If Ydrasse were dictator it'd be like everyone was being pocketed by her this time so it couldn't be my fault surely!?

[srckz]

I'm actually at wanting to think you're both town

But wanting does not always correlate with reality

[srckz]

I also would want to play more games with you regardless of your alignment

Hold on I'm counting hurt/heals this is a very delicate process

[srckz]

Heal votecount

Isis 4 (Chromium, Infinity, srckz, Anya, Dunn)
Emily 3 (Chromium, Infinity, srckz)
Ydrasse 3 (Chromium, Infinity, Isis
Dunn 2 (Chromium, Anya
Chromium 3 (srckz [cakez side vote], Anya, Dunn)
srckz 1 (Anya)

Hurt votecount

Anya 2 (Chromium, Isis)
Infinity 2 (Chromium, Isis)
Tweetie 2 (Chromium, Infinity)
srckz 1 (Chromium)
Chromium 1 (Infinity)

[srckz]

Isis/Emily/Ydra for dungeon

Anya/Infinity/Tweetie for other two and then one guillo?

Going to be honest when I was counting the hurt/heals it made me realize how everyone was neglecting the system basically

Tweetie isn't even bothering to use it lol

[srckz]

I don't understand it either and I've asked like twice now

I've never felt so small

[srckz]

i have the worlds worst headache and feel like i’m gonna vomit

Water and not reading mafia helps

[srckz]

That's not how that works koba, I'm the one who asked you to out your read on Infinity/Tweet and instead you come back with performative nonsense lol

[srckz]

i have doctor pepper and another 4 hours of working a 20 page sheet

Soda is so bad for you! Drink water, I understand the caffeinated need but soda literally just dehydrates you which cause headaches

[srckz]

Isis I sheep your thoughts in hopes you're town

I have a lot of unknowns but D1 isn't the day that really comes forth

Lims are way easier to work off and solid information

[srckz]

I'm about here

Ydra
Isis
Emily
--
Anya
Dunn
Inf
Chrom
--
Tweetie

I think Infinity is more null to me recently, and while I've definitely made the mistake of scumreading Tweetie just not being here, I'd be willing to follow with it because I cannot grasp a single reason for her input to be town

In my upper pile I could be wrong about one. Middle is really unsorted right now and I just have too many mixed feelings. I'll probably talk to cakez in longform about that (he says he's busy)

[srckz]

That's not how that works koba, I'm the one who asked you to out your read on Infinity/Tweet and instead you come back with performative nonsense lol

Both scum.

...Why do you disagree with killing them off in the dungeon then

[srckz]

Nth

[srckz]

Honestly inf that's a pretty self-conscious but townie post

I'd need to understand your range though

[srckz]

It's like in a box townie

but if your range is pretty good then it would just remain in a box

[srckz]

That's not how that works koba, I'm the one who asked you to out your read on Infinity/Tweet and instead you come back with performative nonsense lol

Both scum.

...Why do you disagree with killing them off in the dungeon then

I wanr a 3 person dungeon.
Check my hurt list.

3 people would clear the dungeon

I was suggesting two because I want them to die

Then you said 'no that would be a mislim'

Yet you think they're both scum

How is it a mislim lol

[srckz]

Would you fake self-consciousness as scum? Furthermore, would you bring attention to yourself in the way you have. I think town feel more compelled to want to be townie because being called town is like an approval. When you're scummy (as town) it feels like nobody wants to listen to you or anything you have to say. Something tells me that you very much care about this Infinity, so you get a bit discouraged when people aren't townreading you

[srckz]

Ok follow-up question

Who do you think is simply misreading you then and who is just trying to get you killed

[srckz]

I'm putting Infinity in my townpile

I believe what she's saying to me and we can just trade from last game where she soulread me

[srckz]

I also went back to one of your scumgames and your stances felt more about just following consensus and hiding behind safer options

Here I see a direct need to comprehend yourself and how others are treating you, which is far more difficult, even a bit daring. I got the impression of your scumgame that you only take calculated risks

I don't know if you see yourself as scum being scumread by the whole room and go 'yeah I should fight against Koba the person who is making this plan'. That doesn't seem very calculated to me

[srckz]

I have little faith in O' glorious leader because they just want to continually talk about how they're leading when I went ahead and counting the hurt/heals for them

Also doesn't talk about scumreads or how their reads have developed. Counter-arguments from them is just [indignant] and [ancedotal evidence] such as (linking game that favors me)

Why does that game matter? I care about the one I'm in right now. That goes the same for when they're like 'oh you always scumread me' as if I was blindly tunneling your slot. If you're reading this koba in booneytunez (the first game I played with you) I eventually thought your slot was town after you had a shitfit. In Grand Idea I eventually went 'meh maybe Koba is town' and then you died. after initially scumreading you for performative bullshit In Dance game you repped out. That's 3 whole games. And I'm sure you'll get well nuh-uh you scumread in those games you're lying like yup I did scumread you but I can change my fucking mind lol

All I'm looking for here is for a reason to change my mind, in this very game. Not a game before that we played. I don't recall every moment with you as I go to sleep. We've had 3 games and you've decided because I don't blindly townread you or question your motives that it must be something wrong with me. I'm just trying to play the game, it's not that serious

[srckz]

Do you know how unbelievably anti-town and frustrating it is to go

Everyone is against me and the scum are so scared of me

Like who

Who's the scum scared of you, it surely ain't me lol

[srckz]

If you gave me at least an inkling of your impression it'd be helpful

Koba is focused on me anyways

[srckz]

Infinity is town, I wonder if Koba thinks I'm trying to take their leader role whatever

I genuinely don't care about that, so if Koba wants come in here and be like 'youre just mad because I'm leading' it's simply not true

I just do what I feel is right, and sometimes that means standing up for what you believe in

Even against those seemingly above you

[srckz]

I would be fine with you or Ydra

or Isis

[srckz]

VOTE: ydra

Fortress boogaloo

[srckz]

I did?

I do know why you're asking though. I'm aware it could be shortsighted but if you're leader I think putting the spotlight onto you would help those times where you were more UTR? In FL v Hectic you were townread but it was a bit more by proxy. We were all mostly at 'she likes anime and is having fun' and you're good at replicating the environment you're in (chameleon-like) as you described. I feel that was the same in Fortress, so you still had free reign to whatever you want.

[srckz]

I still remain at Emily/You/Isis maybe having one scum but I can't really see the team here. If it's the team then you know, I get what's coming to me. I'm gonna assume you all have my best interest however because I don't see anything that would contradict it. That being said, being scum can get really tiring and it gets harder to remember what your stances are. In fortress, you switched onto me because it benefited the game-state. I feel like you're more a sprinter than a gradual pace type of scum anyways, so you'll have this really big and grand moments people will look back on (hopefully favorably) but then you get exhausted and can't really keep up the impressions. I would be lying if I didn't say that I want to see how far your limits would potentially be in that sense. If there are no limits, I feel you're one of those players who really love town so the only thing that would deflate you is if we're losing or you feel the cause of it.

[srckz]

I also love cakez but he's a busy guy

I told him I'd pick up the slack and die in the dungeon sooner rather than later

It's hard being such a giving man

[srckz]

hi I am here catching up...again
curses of being in 4 games + modding 2 + approaching finals season
i however will not be dumping all my thoughts in thread instead i'm going to hash things out with unwnd as people have told me to do
so ya

-cake