Micro 1008: Burdened by Secrecy 2 (Paragon + Town Win)

[Vanya Hargreeves]

holy crap this setup is so bad why did maruchan decide to mod it agaign and why did we join?

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Oh, and hello folks

/confirm-in

[Vanya Hargreeves]

holy crap this setup is so bad why did maruchan decide to mod it agaign and why did we join?

you were scum last time... are you the scums again?

Lemme think about it.........

NOPE!

I am chaos! Doing the same thing twice would be boorrrrinnggg!

HOW ABOUT YOU? ARE YOU THE SCUMS AGAIN?

[Vanya Hargreeves]

HEY EVERYONE CONFIRMED! YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS! RVS TIME!

YOU EXCITED TO PLAY VOTE: FIVE?

[Vanya Hargreeves]

HEY ANYONE HOME?

JINGLE DOESNT COUNT.

I GOTS APOCALYPSES TO START AND SHADOWREALMS TO BE AT! I DON'T GOTS ALL DAY

[Vanya Hargreeves]

i was busy in electrical....

helping...

... yellow

[Vanya Hargreeves]

ALRIGHT so
would someone put Five at yeet1

[Vanya Hargreeves]

actually im g onna take a huge shit and come back

[Vanya Hargreeves]

i hope no one quickhammers while i'm gone

[Vanya Hargreeves]

klaus, five, where are thou

[Vanya Hargreeves]

we should all find a time to live post and collaborate cuz im kinda zoomer energy and liveposting sounds fun for a secret alt game

give us a time, we'll def be there

[Vanya Hargreeves]

I have arrived for the super radical and still mostly hypothetical meeting time.

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Haha yes this was intentional and not a complete coincidence with when I arrived home.

What say you to making the game more interesting with a page two E-1?

[Vanya Hargreeves]

I will also settle for anyone voting anyone at all.

[Vanya Hargreeves]

so uhhh, the weather's been nice today right

Quite

[Vanya Hargreeves]

[Vanya Hargreeves]

I spent a good five minutes looking for a transparent vibecat but could not find it.

To respond: I believe two is potentially greater than three in this particular battle.

[Vanya Hargreeves]

I think we have roughly two more pages before autoloss?

We need to do something to corner mafia in that timeframe lmao

[Vanya Hargreeves]

VOTE: Klaus Reevaluting identities... I think I'm better with a Klaus exe.

[Vanya Hargreeves]

I think Five would be here if Five were scum.

[Vanya Hargreeves]

i took fives identity into account but forgot about klausssssssss (xωx)

oki so klaus wouldnt be here regardless of alignment, five is more likely to play as scum FROM WHTA I CAN TEL...?

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Vanya town, Lila scum

Five scum

ez game?

yeah i get what u r saying but idk tbh

[Vanya Hargreeves]

alli is probably burnt out at scum, klaus has probably legit not checked thread, five would be openwolfing or tryharding to look town as scum one of the two

lila is filling in the role vanya played last game tbh. account identity obfuscation without caring abt scum identities

[Vanya Hargreeves]

yoooo so can i get my friends to vote this VOTE: Lila

ur town u vote

odds are very good if u think im town

[Vanya Hargreeves]

*if ur town u vote

[Vanya Hargreeves]

scum can vote too i wont judge

[Vanya Hargreeves]

[[Psssst.... thassa good deal town]]

[Vanya Hargreeves]

[[the only plan impervious to outsider hijinks involves two of you butts voting the same scumbutt as me!]]

[Vanya Hargreeves]

We have very different 7pms >.>

Hold on.. are you saying you saw Lila Pitt's call for us to gather when it was originally posted at...

*checks*

2 pm for you? Why did you follow the 7 pm direction rather than the "in 30 minutes" direction?

[Vanya Hargreeves]

love your little song by the way Lila! (´ω｀*)

[Vanya Hargreeves]

how the fuck did you follow the 7pm instructions perfectly but dO AND say nothing both when they were given adn wwhen you arrived?

mm ya ok thx

VOTE: Klaus sorry i dont buy that

[Vanya Hargreeves]

OK. Be real with me here. Is the team Klaus/Allison?

Or is it perhaps Lila with one of those two?

Five, I'm really counting on you here.

[Vanya Hargreeves]

clearly its vanya + five or klaus + allison friendos

maybe vanya + allison hmm !>?@# 36head though

i have no idea what ur saying about any of those names

[Vanya Hargreeves]

yesnt

[Vanya Hargreeves]

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[Vanya Hargreeves]

woah ur right

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Also!!! I disagree that Lila's high efforts to hide her original identity is scummy. I see it as townie, since it goes against the paragon wincon.

lila seemed like they didnt care about finding scum but was n active presence regardless doing identity antics

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Also, hiding your identity is currently a requirement for all alignments, Klaus. Yeeting scum or not yeeting scum are the only differences between alignments presently.

[Vanya Hargreeves]

from your point of view there is a 50% chance im scum and not much is happening so defending me is a little weirdchamp

Yeah except i'm not blindly flipping a coin. I don't want to lose the game on page 6 when a yolo hammer happens from lurking scum.

time is running out, klaus!

[Vanya Hargreeves]

who the fuckm am i voting fr again

[Vanya Hargreeves]

ya pick some1 to pick some1

[Vanya Hargreeves]

why the fuck is this time sensitive

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Thank the stars!

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Wait am I picking the elimination or am I picking the elimination-picker

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Well I either let Klaus choose or I choose then. Which should I do Lila?

[Vanya Hargreeves]

I don't think you even got to explaining the "if you trust me" scenario so unsure about that.

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Klaus here?

[Vanya Hargreeves]

was ur gambit along of lines pf klaus/i vote someone and you not quickhammer?

[Vanya Hargreeves]

if it gave us confirmation paragons shot it then thatd be gamechanging but i dnt think it does

[Vanya Hargreeves]

So you picked Lila to eliminate which is my preference rather than your own preference which is Alli?

[Vanya Hargreeves]

We've come full circle

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Interesting that none of us seem interested in picking who dies and are only interested in who the others choose xD

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Uhmm I'm gettin board though, I'll copy the next vote OK?

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Maybe it's Alli and Alli really is burnt out on being a scumbutt.

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Five is usually pretty high effort as scum. I've seen openwolfing, I've seen deepwolfing...

[Vanya Hargreeves]

I dunno Alli usually comes off as scummy tho

Both Alli and Five are better as scum, Five is a townbloc infiltrator I think.

[Vanya Hargreeves]

VOTE: Five Copy copy copy

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Go on, then.

[Vanya Hargreeves]

that'd be pretty

[Vanya Hargreeves]

sus

[Vanya Hargreeves]

No Klaus we're just having a friendly vote on who's..... the best....... uh................ hm

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Oh thank god

[Vanya Hargreeves]

I was engaging in the outting myself thing as well

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Haha yeah I remember that Klaus

[Vanya Hargreeves]

not so sure how confident i am that the solve was exactly alli/five enh

Did we manage to establish ANY hints

Kinda hard when it's just the three of us i suppose

[Vanya Hargreeves]

maybe this is all a fever dream and paragons already won

this is extremely possible it should not have been that hard for them

[Vanya Hargreeves]

It takes two paragons to guess so maybe DK was in there alone and no one came to confirm their guess while we were doin the thing

[Vanya Hargreeves]

I would have loved for this game to last a while but i'm pretty sure everyone outted themselves on the second page so it needed to

GO

[Vanya Hargreeves]

I WAS GOING TO ENTER THE GAME COMMENTING ON THE FUCKING SETUP TO IMPERSONATE ALLI AND THEN THEY GO AND ACTUALLY DO IT 1000X BETTER THAN I EVER COULD MIMICK

lost my shit when i read it

was kinda great tho

[Vanya Hargreeves]

I noticed you did a couple of Five's faces yeah

Wait i hope that didnt fuck up my official guess

I forget i submitted it on like on page 2

[Vanya Hargreeves]

it sounds like paragons guessed lolololol

they're trolling dont listen to em

[Vanya Hargreeves]

i hope Hectic didnt wasn't able to get too involved with the guess

shudder

[Vanya Hargreeves]

shiiiiiiiiiiittttttt we definitely lost in pregame

[Vanya Hargreeves]

hey whatever happens

it was real u two

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Haha I knew the alts were obvious. That's why I rushed it if that isn't clear

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Also, Hectic is exceptionally good at reading me so basically all you need to do is find the third townie.

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Your confidence in your reasoning that all scum had to be inside or outside seems a tad.. overblown

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Here lemme read it really slowly so i actually understand it though cause im kinda slow myself

[Vanya Hargreeves]

No, as scum i dont think i wouldve wanted to pick because it'd generate info regardless of who my partner is. It's like 2/3 odds that my partner isn't chosen i think so I would take that rather than potentially help town out

If I'm getting it

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Wait why did I think we killed Alli we killed Five

[Vanya Hargreeves]

It's Lila/Alli

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Probably

[Vanya Hargreeves]

It could also be Lila/Klaus but when Lila gave me control of the elim didnt it seem likely id pick Klaus

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Morning Tweet DM'd me a perfect alt guess as of this post:

HEY ANYONE HOME?

JINGLE DOESNT COUNT.

I GOTS APOCALYPSES TO START AND SHADOWREALMS TO BE AT! I DON'T GOTS ALL DAY

oh also this means we bled our identities even faster than i thought, not page 2, but page 1

Idk whether i wish i were a paragon or not that'd have been funny af

[Vanya Hargreeves]

thats a bad argument vanya, using probability is not a reason to towncase yourself i mean when was the last time scum was like yeah let's coinflip

whens the last time you took a suboptimal strategy as scum? Handing the elim off to someone else is just better than picking i'm like 57% sure

[Vanya Hargreeves]

You're also definitely ignoring the chances one of the others doesnt go thru with it and you just accidentally gave info AND the day didnt end

It very much feels like you're too confident in this. I understand you mentioned wanting to outtown me but still, really? you really think it has to be me/klaus because we all passed? No chance anything else came to scum when it took me like 5 seconds to think of scum motives?

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Klaus voted for allison

aaaaand idk if there was anything else. That's certainly something

[Vanya Hargreeves]

It's also a bad setup to be super obvious, you still have to strike a balance

I seemed like I scumread you hard at the time, Klaus was certainly under that impression

[Vanya Hargreeves]

What's the only scumteam you can be town in

Alli/Klaus right

No i'm not really ignoring that considering the only thing that happened was Klaus kinda scumreading them for....... making their identity obvious (?)

[Vanya Hargreeves]

what does being obv about things have to do w anything

You can't conclude people aren't aligned just cause they voted each other, risks can be taken. I'm pretty sure i voted everyone at some point

Klaus caaaan vote Alli to distance while I'm pushing Klaus while verbally scumreading you. It's possible. I'm not sure it's more likely though

[Vanya Hargreeves]

>>I'm pushing Klaus/Lila at the time

2 pm for you? Why did you follow the 7 pm direction rather than the "in 30 minutes" direction?

I saw 7pm while I was at work and I guess that's the only words I read of that post and moved on. My brain is a thing.



Also!!! I disagree that Lila's high efforts to hide her original identity is scummy. I see it as townie, since it goes against the paragon wincon.



VOTE: Allison tho. Your pfp quickly outs you and I can only ever see that benefit scum.

Pedit: idk what to say about the 7pm thing.

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Maybe Lila/Alli is wrong for being too obvious

Why did you vote out Five rather than Alli despite me towncasing Five and SRing Alli? Klaus also SR Alli

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Damn did I SR everyone then

[Vanya Hargreeves]

No like Five was the only person I didn't suspect so in hindsight what the fuck

[Vanya Hargreeves]

I mentioned something about not liking Alli actually maybe that disqualifies Klaus distancing them

alli is probably burnt out at scum

, klaus has probably legit not checked thread, five would be openwolfing or tryharding to look town as scum one of the two

lila is filling in the role vanya played last game tbh. account identity obfuscation without caring abt scum identities

maybe it got missed......

OK. Be real with me here. Is the team Klaus/Allison?

Or is it perhaps Lila with one of those two?

Five, I'm really counting on you here.

Oh no i mentioned suspecting alli again

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Five can keep talking?

[Vanya Hargreeves]

OHHHH That's what you meant by carrying

[Vanya Hargreeves]

I thought you meant which one was better at scum when you asked >.>

[Vanya Hargreeves]

You've been thinking I'm Flea?

[Vanya Hargreeves]

I'm Morning doing impressions of the following:

Flea
Flea pretending to be bugs
Bugs pretending to be Flea
OkaPoka
GeorgeBailey (this one was really poor im sorry abt that)
Someone pretending to be me

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Oh and also bugs normally

[Vanya Hargreeves]

I see you leaned really hard into the smallcaps iteration of Flea from last game

i also did flea without the smallcaps toooo

pedit: Exactly hahahaha

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Guessing me is easy when you know me because the only reason I entered this game was to do the impressions and the alt guessing

Reason I knew everyone by the end of the first page was because i got so acquainted with ur posting styles

I even noticed when you seemed to pretend to be.... me? With the cute comment. Dunno if that was on accident though. As well as Klaus pretending to be Flea (he used a couple of emoticons Flea used a bunch in the first few pages of faer posting history but not really a ton outside of those pages)

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Oh and Hectic knows me

So I really needed us to not get killed by the identity guess

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Five is Flea

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Wait so who did you think Five was when you killed them? Me? Ohhhhh so you were asking because you genuinely didnt know metas i take it yeah okay that makes sense

Your theory being wrong still stands tho

[Vanya Hargreeves]

I have never observed Flea not do well as scum

That last schadd game, silent royalty, the last iteration of this setup, fae always seem to get townread a ton (or win like the last secrecy lol)

[Vanya Hargreeves]

However I was expecting Flea to like, show that if fae were scum this game so thats why i townread them. Especially considering fae played the setup before and seemed to absolutely revel (is that how that word is used) in essentially openwolfing

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Yea i saw that lmao

I didnt like read the game thoroughly but fae still won so clearly something worked

But no in Royalty and that schadd game fae was in town blocks. The Royalty game fae were screwed by game mechanics not from reads

[Vanya Hargreeves]

An insane gambit.... like putting a teammate at X-1 or something?

[Vanya Hargreeves]

So in other words risk-taking won the game for scum last time

[Vanya Hargreeves]

But you're wayyy more confident it's Klaus/Vayna rather than anything else because Klaus voted Alli

as well as yes because of ur reasoning that all scum was in or outside that i still dont exactly grasp

pedit: I see but like

I would definitely play around with voting a teammate as scum, dont know if i would, but i might cause thats kinda how you win -- take a risk that works

Klaus voting Alli while i was railing elsewhere for reasoning that didnt even really make sense.........................

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Mhm I used to play a ton of league now I do on occasion

Oh sorry for not answering the office question that was obfuscation. I haven't seen it sadly

[Vanya Hargreeves]

But you're wayyy more confident it's Klaus/Vayna rather than anything else because Klaus voted Alli

as well as yes because of ur reasoning that all scum was in or outside that i still dont exactly grasp

pedit: I see but like

I would definitely play around with voting a teammate as scum, dont know if i would, but i might cause thats kinda how you win -- take a risk that works

Klaus voting Alli while i was railing elsewhere for reasoning that didnt even really make sense.........................

TO CLARIFY i meant that Klaus' reason for Alli didnt make sense to me

He said that Alli made their alignement obvious which was "????". Yes I agree but that isn't something that makes Alli scummier. I am unsure if Klaus genuinely didnt know or if that was intentionally weak

[Vanya Hargreeves]

He said that Alli made their alignement obvious which was "????".

IDENTITY NOT ALIGNMENT

HOYL SHIT TYPE

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Let's say I held the kill selector and then used it on Alli or Five or whoever

Why does that implicate me *NOT* being with Klaus, which is what you're saying. You're saying that klaus/i not using it is indicative of us being together, does the inverse apply?

I would do something scummy looking if it made somebody else who isn't my partner look bad. If it tied me to somebody who is my partner (such as if Klaus and I were together who are now going to vote out someone together), i wouldnt want to

Like I want to vote with townies not with scum

Idk trying to get this is important to understanding if your confidence is reasonable and yet, I'm pretty sure I would have passed the kill selector as scum

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Well maybe I wanna know if you're scum or not

But I also might be too low IQ to grasp what you're saying. If you're scum with Klaus it might even be true and I dont understand it

[Vanya Hargreeves]

What really isn't helping is I keep thinking Alli is the one who died. That's how little content im working with on alli/five

[Vanya Hargreeves]

If I actually were forced to kill someone I would have picked Alli because I wanted the elim to happen immediately. I was never going to pick someone in our circle of 3, that much should be clear

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Yup you got it

[Vanya Hargreeves]

And yes I do regret that decision in hindsight when Five was my only real "townread"

I just said i had little content to work with on Five I meant Klaus we dont need to solve Five

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Also I didnt mean to pass it to Klaus, I'm pretty sure Klaus mistakenly thought i gave it to them. I wanted to ask Klaus "Do you want me to pick or you to pick?"

but then he came in and said "I PICK LILA"

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Yup page 7 klaus thought i passed it to him when i didnt

I just went with it but actually i wanted to ask that question

[Vanya Hargreeves]

How can I have a solve when I can't remember who we even voted for

I can't remember my own fucking votes and reads either

My jerk reaction was you/Alli because well you picking Five for some reason but I see why that was now so I'm not entirely sure

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Just have to find one town inside Alli/Lila/Klaus fuck teams all the wifom is put there

[Vanya Hargreeves]

I am so sorry for making so many posts that you now have to read paragons

[Vanya Hargreeves]

WAIT WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T I JUST SAY I DIDNT PASS TO KLAUS WHY DID I GO WITH THAT WHEN YOU SAID I DID

THAT WHOLE CONVERSATION IS FUCKING POINTLESS and i didnt even realize

WHAT AM I DOING

I'm sorry it's been a really taxing week

[Vanya Hargreeves]

I'm gonna assume i rewrote history in my mind on accident

Uh but yeah i just suggest guessing scum/town traditionally

My previous point that bugs has like gotta be super burnt out on scum probably stands but i can look into that more seriously

[Vanya Hargreeves]

I really can't fake being this scattered, i use other emotions as scum, usually a lot of self-depreciation and apologizing type stuff with varying results

as town i empty the contents of the temporary holding space inside my brain into the thread every 30 seconds. Even when it doesnt make sense and i havent even read it myself. Why? Because i cant do it as scum so i may as well demonstrate towniness the best way i can

[Vanya Hargreeves]

you wanna know what i put my brainpower into this game, it was creating a 10 page google doc into everyone's typing habits and constantly referring back to it

[Vanya Hargreeves]

u spent all this effort trying to disprove my theory to the point where i, a very stubborn individual, bent. but now when pressed to come up with something about ur actual reads ur like asdfasefdsfasdf

Well i suppose u could say im stronger on my own alignment than everyone elses

Like i thought Five was town and Alli was scum

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Like i thought Five was town and Alli was scum

Point being one of these is useless and the other is still a read on a player who hasnt played

[Vanya Hargreeves]

u better post that post game

absolutely!! (^∀^) I had a ton of fun with it tbh

[Vanya Hargreeves]

I actually didnt even think u were scum that hard but when klaus got that impression i started playing it up more so SOMETHING alignment indicative would happen

I can't decide whether to lock Klaus or Alli in as scum I keep flopping to and fro on it

[Vanya Hargreeves]

i guess u could be stronger on your alignment, but you were being logical and then now ur being so messy which is just idk what to make of it

when im being a messy player it usually means ive been and will be messy the entire day for extended durations

i can be really logical and serious or i can be this or i can do both, it kinda just switches with how im feeling

One thing you'll notice about me (someone else can verify) is that as scum I don't vary -- so far, I've always been pretty similar. I personally play scum pretty poorly headspace wise, i can't type rapid fire because im scared ill say the wrong thing and let my team down

I *can* be deliberate as town too so it's not totally black and white, but there are games as town where i get to a point where i truly can't fake this shit. Had i been scum here i'd probably make a couple looong posts and then hide in bed

[Vanya Hargreeves]

tbh this is a problem for the paragons

either u have completely townspewed yourself with this behavior, its definitely AI but i don't know you enough to know what alignment it is in which case its klaus and allison

or you have scumspewed yourself in which case i think id be sure its on you + klaus although my logic for why would be wrong with how you broke apart my argument, but you put a lot of forethought into it so /shrug it means something

i have like a dozen games played with one of the paragons, he isn't going to read me wrong

You're actually pretty much dead on though. I don't always spew myself but im thinking this is starting to be one of those cases. i would say usually... it comes in response to pressure of being wagoned or losing the game..

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Interesting that Alli is the one person i didnt actually vote hehe

[Vanya Hargreeves]

yeah so anyways this was actually definitely my intended plan i definitely planned to get vanya to spew themselves yep yw

Dang you're the true paragon here

[Vanya Hargreeves]

I think im content with Lila/Klaus winning

like if the only people who happened to show up to play even slightly were both scum + me and they did some..... kinda distancing stuff i guess i mean it's better than nothing.... then they can have the win. I got a paragon win in my heart

I am still not convinced in Alli/Klaus being impossible which was kindaaaa what we were talking about a bit ago. Like it's not a huge risk and you really should do something anti-partner indicative.

OH you know what ignore the rest of this post this is the most important line

If Klaus/Alli, Klaus HAD to give the kill to Lila. There was no other choice. Klaus would have had to kill Alli, it would have made no sense for him to kill anyone over their only expressed SR.

Granted... I dont know if Klaus in a different scumteam would kill either. He might have passed to Lila in a Klaus/Lila team too. But maybe that's at least slightly helpful i guess.

[Vanya Hargreeves]

I am really regretting not killing Alli

I am also really kicking myself for answering Flea to your question because had you asked who I preferred to kill that is NOT what i meant i would have said Alli every time

[Vanya Hargreeves]

But yeah if both my teammates werent able to come (granted there wasnt a lot of time) then oh well

QUESTION:

2 pm for you? Why did you follow the 7 pm direction rather than the "in 30 minutes" direction?
VOTE: Allison tho. Your pfp quickly outs you and I can only ever see that benefit scum.

What do you mean by this? What was your thought process when you sent this, i suppose more specifically

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Ignore the butchered part that contains my words

[Vanya Hargreeves]

but alas, i suppose that ♪ i'm ♪

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n my own

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retending he's beside me

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ll alone

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lausy pooh i said utc - 0

love your little song by the way Lila! (´ω｀*)

oh Lila meant to ask, was this intentional?

[Vanya Hargreeves]

HECTICCCCCCC

[Vanya Hargreeves]

also, how obvious was my identity?

Bugs gave themself away instantaneously (5) - self explanatory

Oka gave himself away in his third post (14) - no one else uses "u" so religiously (among other shortened slang like plz). Also gave the appearance of trying to obfuscate identity which i didnt expect Flea/bugs to really try to do

Flea gave faeself away in faer second post (22) - "Are you the scums again" just doesnt seem like a sentence you could easily come up with as not flea

You're the only player who wasn't given away on the first page but i had the advantage of PoE. i did notice the two emoticons (>.<) and (:<) but i elected to ignore them in favour of Five being clearly flea -- but before Five posted i didnt know who you were

I think realistically as paragon I wouldn't have been able to tell the diff between GeorgeBailey and Morning on the first page. Mayyyybe you could take into account how Vanya did multiple impressions which would be pretty high effort for something pretty unimportant which is like my motto in life, so overall i think you probably obfuscated your identity the best actually

[Vanya Hargreeves]

yes, strokes beard , ahh you have indeed have a sharp eye young one, finding the hidden clues and deeper meanings of my posts. mmh.

i had the same idea to hide someone elses name in a poem but i am not as lyrically gifted as you are sadly

verrrry nice crumb tho

[Vanya Hargreeves]

why is nancy alt guessing

[Vanya Hargreeves]

koba

do you not know that five is town?

WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENING

[Vanya Hargreeves]

What do you mean by this? What was your thought process when you sent this, i suppose more specifically

Allison made like no attempt to hide their tone and pretty much outed. Which resulted in us rushing a shitty elim.

It's Lila, she suggested this weird baton strategy because her partner was inactive, then kept pressuring us to vote. Vanya is town from jump-starting this game into actual scum hunting.

I don't see Lila/Vanya though, that'd be one hell of a scum theatre.

I agree that was bad of them for town's chances

If you were aware that Alli's behaviour necessitated a shitty elim, why were you so surprised when we rushed it through?

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Hm...

Do you think Lila asking "Who between Five/Alli is the better carry?" was a forced question?

The more obvious question to ask would be, who is more likely scum. We already had consensus that Alli was scummier -- and yet, Lila killed Five because Five would "be a more useful town IC asset" and is "scarier at scum", essentially

We were getting to a point where:

A.) an elim had to happen IMMEDIATELY, we were gonna die to paragon guess if we didnt. That meant Five/Alli were the only targets
and
B.) Five had one townlean from me and no other content -- Alli was suspected by both Klaus and I

Had Klaus or I been picked to do the elimination, we definitely would have killed Alli. I don't think Klaus could have wormed out of it and I know I would have done it easily (it'd have also been even harder for me to worm out of it when i townread Five).

[Vanya Hargreeves]

vanya whats ur read on five

actually vanya who is the better carry out of alli and five

Something really interesting is that it seems Lila was unaware i was townreading Five so maybe that's why he gave me the elimination choice. I was pretty much a total wildcard

If the team is Lila/Alli this is definitely *the* forced thought process Lila had to do

HOWEVER

The only problem left is that Lila did give me the ability to choose the elim at first, and at the time who did it seem like I'd pick? ....

how the fuck did you follow the 7pm instructions perfectly but dO AND say nothing both when they were given adn wwhen you arrived?

mm ya ok thx

VOTE: Klaus sorry i dont buy that

OK. Be real with me here. Is the team Klaus/Allison?

Or is it perhaps Lila with one of those two?

Five, I'm really counting on you here.

i pick vanya

I suspected Klaus, Lila, Allison. Basically everyone but Five. It seems like I suspected Klaus most heavily as well at the time.

BUT!!!!!! WE CAN SEE THAT LILA WAS UNAWARE I TOWNREAD FIVE! WHICH MEANS!!!!!!!!!

When Lila gave me the elimination or elimination picker, it was most likely I would choose to execute Klaus, followed by a tie between everyone else. It's the safest option possible if Klaus is town and team is Alli/Lila. Picking Klaus would have been the riskiest option given they townread Lila/Vanya and scumread Alli

[Vanya Hargreeves]

When Lila gave me the elimination or elimination picker, it was most likely I would choose to execute Klaus, followed by a tie between everyone else. It's the safest option possible if Klaus is town and team is Alli/Lila.

Picking Klaus would have been riskier than giving it to me by FAR, given Klaus townread Lila/Vanya and scumread Alli

edited for clarity

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Flea gave faeself away in faer second post (22) - "Are you the scums again" just doesnt seem like a sentence you could easily come up with as not flea

You're the only player who wasn't given away on the first page but i had the advantage of PoE. i did notice the two emoticons (>.<) and (:<) but i elected to ignore them in favour of Five being clearly flea -- but before Five posted i didnt know who you were

wat.

Flea is not the only person to use emoticons....

Flea is probably the only one to make emoticons a thing and Kaomojis are an instant giveaway admittedly...

And since when is 22 the only thing that can come from my mind?!

No -- you see those two emoticons are at the top of your most recent posts. If someone were to try and impersonate you, it'd be likely they use those. I have them in my own document. You have it right, that's why i didnt trust those being an indicator of you.

Also I'm not saying 22 is the only thing that can come from your mind, I'm saying it's too creative for someone to impersonate easily. i think you're hard to imitate

[Vanya Hargreeves]

The alternative is as follows: Klaus receives the baton but knows he can't use the kill since it'd have to be Alli -- so he hands it to Lila for her to pick.

Klaus' confusion about what we were doing exactly makes this kind of messy cause I never really passed the baton to him and I'm not sure he realized killing someone was an option or not

But it's still possible nonetheless

[Vanya Hargreeves]

i think this is as simple as

is vanya town? if yes its klaus/allison, if no its klaus/vanya

yea i think the game is solved for you if you're town, im both happy and envious of town!you

@vanya you should watch les mis

also will do sometime tbh assuming it's on netflix

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Why would you do this again

see: identities all being obvious by post 26

Alright, I want to reread this game while actually knowing the identities, so:

Lila - Oka
Vanya - Morning
Allison - bugspray
Five - Flea
Klaus - GeorgeBailey

Correct?

yuppers

I actually love how Morning imitated Flea and bugspray so well in the first 2 pages, should've figured that was Morning doing her research

Even dropped this oka morsel probably because of what I said in the paragon PT last time lol

klaus, five, where are thou

i had a BLAST

But i figured that'd lead right back to me so tbh it was more for fun than anything. It would have been a much smarter move to just pick one person

[Vanya Hargreeves]

VOTE: Klaus Reevaluting identities... I think I'm better with a Klaus exe.

Strange, what had GeorgeBailey done that was scummy for him?

That was when i realized my townlean on Five

idk if i had a particular reason for picking Klaus it might have been cause he was more likely to give a reaction than Alli

i took fives identity into account but forgot about klausssssssss (xωx)

oki so klaus wouldnt be here regardless of alignment, five is more likely to play as scum FROM WHTA I CAN TEL...?

Nice distorted Morning impression

thank u

Maybe it's Alli and Alli really is burnt out on being a scumbutt.

Titus?

Flea, fae mainly will capitalize + punctuates and i was imitating a couple of instances where fae calls ppl butts but i think I added the "scum" part myself

but... you had good reasoning for why Five (Flea) is town, why copy the vote anyway?

Well i said i was gonna copy the vote but yeah fair. I didn't trust myself that much i suppose.

[Vanya Hargreeves]

I saw a glimmer of Titus because she calls people scumbutts all the time

I'm gonna assume i rewrote history in my mind on accident

Uh but yeah i just suggest guessing scum/town traditionally

My previous point that bugs has like gotta be super burnt out on scum probably stands but i can look into that more seriously

Is bugs actually burnt out on scum?

I thought bugs got scum multiple games in a row but ima be real with u i actually dont know and they have never been here to confirm

essentially they were scum in that schadd game and i thought i read them mentioning they were tired of it cause they got it multiple times in a row. I looked over it just now and I dont see it. So that may have been fiction

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Idk, I don't really see it being George and bugspray and George hard busses launchbait bugspray. I think they probably just lose in that scenario. Makes sense there's a scum controller on the actives

Hmmm yeah taking the identities into context u kinda make a good point

[Vanya Hargreeves]

I was on something for probably nearly the entirety of the dayplay portion of this game alright

[Vanya Hargreeves]

are you tellin me oka gets to know his secret town tell BUT I DONT?

THIS IS

unfair

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Exactly

You can admit you're scum if you want to know instead, Morning

im scum

[Vanya Hargreeves]

we dont need to wait for confirmation though

[Vanya Hargreeves]

gib towntell

[Vanya Hargreeves]

(っ>﹏<)っ so unfair!!

[Vanya Hargreeves]

i think the only thing im sort of putting stock in is that i dont think it's Klaus with Alli cause Hectic makes a good point that the bus is probably unlikely for George to do to bugs who was being scummy

like Alli only survived due to extreme sheer luck in that scenario ya

Soyeah lila with one of those two

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Lila why was your reasoning to elim Five better than Klaus/I thinking Alli was scummier (ノ_<、)

was basically what i was mentioning earlier but doesnt hurt to ask

[Vanya Hargreeves]

didnt it seem like i might kill Klaus when Lila gave me the kill

Idk wouldn't Lila give the elim to Klaus off the bat if Lila/Klaus

Also if Lila/Klaus gives the kill to Klaus it's super easy to just kill Alli

EEH this doesnt exactly work because we probably weren't gonna choose within the three of us cause we had to hurry

idk

Lila/Alli always gives to me because Klaus would probably kill Alli but I was going to kill just about anyone at random (since Lila didnt know i TR Five). Which yes is risky but still less risky than giving to Klaus

idk

The "Who among Five/Alli is the better carry?" had to be contrived right? And it's more likely to be contrived to seem genuine and in order to save Alli rather than to trick us into thinking Lila was trying to save Alli, surely.

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Lila why was your reasoning to elim Five better than Klaus/I thinking Alli was scummier (ノ_<、)

was basically what i was mentioning earlier but doesnt hurt to ask

Because i thought all worlds of alli n five were the same scumteam

agahgakp'hgagkafd

so who is scum now

[Vanya Hargreeves]

This game would have been sick if we were scumpartners btw Lila

Well, i'm terrible at scum so maybe not. still!

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Idk abt the Oka energy stuff cause like Oka definitely matched my amount of energy i thought

Bugspray may or may not be burnt out at scum that's just random conjecture my mind generated im starting to believe. Can't really get clarity on that tho when they aren't here.

It is worth noting that bugs revealing their identity caused Klaus to SR there, I SR there for fictional reasons, the momentum was certainly heading there to be honest but the game we played unfortunately shot it in another direction which was highly unlucky or perhaps intentional

IDK i just really dont think Klaus would bus bugs after that like it seems like too much and unlikely for him to do as well

[Vanya Hargreeves]

For Oka to shoot Five over bugs both the "Scum is all inside or outside" and "We should kill Five over Alli because reason a b and c" both had to make sense in order to override Alli just being a better pick

[Vanya Hargreeves]

What do you mean by this? What was your thought process when you sent this, i suppose more specifically

Allison made like no attempt to hide their tone and pretty much outed. Which resulted in us rushing a shitty elim.

It's Lila, she suggested this weird baton strategy because her partner was inactive, then kept pressuring us to vote. Vanya is town from jump-starting this game into actual scum hunting.

I don't see Lila/Vanya though, that'd be one hell of a scum theatre.

Klaus has to be town here, since I just don’t see this kind of post ever coming from scum.

Something i thought kinda interesting about that is Klaus SR Alli for speeding the game up with revealing their identity, but at the same time seemed to be... confused why we were forcing an elim thru later? Idk what to make of it

[Vanya Hargreeves]

I'm saying Klaus was confused why we were rushing the game so hard but he also had earlier SR bugspray for causing us to have to speed up the game. He should have known why we were ending the day and yet seemed reluctant about it anyway

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Ye i think bugs could have faked that beginning of the game though yeah especially considering there was no follow up or anything that ever happened after that point

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Bugs we win if they guess scum right u kno

[Vanya Hargreeves]

when i selected vanya who selected klaus who selected me to finally select five. that ordering matters a lot in my opinion. creating that info is absolutely essential.

Probably important to note i never selected Klaus, i asked Klaus if they wanted to pick elim or I pick elim

and they chose a third option, give the elim pick to you

[Vanya Hargreeves]

koba just hates me rn because i rushed the lim and it hurts their win condition but i don't know why they can't understand that blitzing the lim had to happen

lol we were absolutely correct to do that

[Vanya Hargreeves]

koba just hates me rn because i rushed the lim and it hurts their win condition but i don't know why they can't understand that blitzing the lim had to happen

nuthammering is ++++ev for scum because it means paragons dont get the first guesswin and people have less info for second guesswin.

It's also +ev for scum to reveal your identity to cause a quickhammer

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Yea i dropped the ball on not saying something about it because i didnt trust my own five/alli reads enough

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Alli do you think Five is scum

[Vanya Hargreeves]

[quote="In [url=https:<em class="Highlight" match="//" loopnumber="810191077" style="padding: 1px; box-shadow: rgb(229, 229, 229) 1px 1px; border-radius: 3px; -webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 205); font-style: inherit;">//</em>forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=12744875#p12744875]post 167[/url], Lila Pitts"]klaus thinks its allison/five

vanya you think its klaus/allison ?

shotgunning reads tryinug to get someone, anyone eliminated[/quote]Well those were my and Klaus's actual reads at the time

But yes i feel those reads pointed to killing Alli instead of Five

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Maybe

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Idk that might actually be right

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Idk that might actually be right

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Cause bugs isnt actually burnt out as scum i made that up, bugs would probably maybe slightly like scum more

Either way it comes across like bugs thought they had lost 15 pages ago and stopped caring versus didn't care to play scum

[Vanya Hargreeves]

nancy if you fucking put me as scum then its like a 322 buty you dont get anything out of it

????

I have no clue what you’re trying to say with this?

I just don’t understand why scum!Klaus drags his feet on town!Five elim.

If I’m scum!Klaus here, I struggle to hide my overwhelming enthusiasm and glee that both me and my partner are safe.

So, if Klaus is actually scum, the only one he could be scum with is Lila.

He drug his feet for a grand total of 15 seconds it wasn't very long

[Vanya Hargreeves]

So if bugs is scum what's the reasoning for them ignoring this game, do you think?

[Vanya Hargreeves]

But also if it's not bugs then what was the point for Lila to do all that reasoning to hit Five instead of Alli

[Vanya Hargreeves]

im v confident in my scuumgame rn. if i roleld scum i would have downloaded a second browser to sray logged into my secret alt

It's true that you won that last won I read, maybe my evaluation of you and Five got mixed up or maybe they should be similiar. I townread Five for this reason, they would have been here as scum. maybe it applies to both of u

[Vanya Hargreeves]

If bugs were scum with George they both would have gone nuts probably

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Are u wavering on me

[Vanya Hargreeves]

if i were SCUM i wouldnt BE HERE rn

im delaying a shower for this

u know i dont like playin scum

[Vanya Hargreeves]

SIGH

[Vanya Hargreeves]

He was voted out last time so didn't have to show he was town, I can see it from both alignments this game

It could be Klaus/Vanya because Allison being town changes everything.

If Lila were town they'd be pushing this way harder and not getting tripped up by me for whatever reason dontcha think

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Morning, I hope you're not finally breaking out of your scum meta in a silly micro game, are you? Surely you would've saved it for a grander setting, right?!

course not, that'd be just too silly! I haven't had a chance to see what my scum meta will be like now in a while

Do i seem like marathon morning to you? I felt like that this game, personally. Like the one where i threw Noraa out

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Vanya/Lila look unaligned, so it’s not both.

u should let Vanya/Lila win anyway that wouldve been a hell of an effort

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Morning, I hope you're not finally breaking out of your scum meta in a silly micro game, are you? Surely you would've saved it for a grander setting, right?!

My main concern with Tweetie is her not trying harder to save Five - her hardclaimed only tr. Why didn’t she fight harder to push Allison who she wasn’t tr?

I don’t see any real attempt on her part to ever try to save Five and if that’s your only tr, I find the paragons figured out all of our alts excuse kind’ve weak.

You think I'm with Alli? If not why does this matter, i could have killed either then

My reasoning for the Five townread was as follows: Flea is nothing like faer last game and additionally fae generally plays hard as scum. However, Alli also didnt play the game so really i was making reads out of thin air. It wasnt strong and i have confidence problems with my own reads

The alts being stupid obvious isn't just an excuse, it completely morphed how i played. u know?

[Vanya Hargreeves]

ya pick some1 to pick some1

Alisae?

idk what i was doing i was completely ad libbing by that point

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Also claiming dead town after the fact is extremely convenient because obviously we already know Five is town.

Huh?