Micro 1000: Names on the List v1.01 [game over!]

[Dunnstral]

If the choice to publish the list is hammered, the moderator reveals the Mafia's list and reveals how many Mafia-aligned players are on that list (but obviously not who they are), the Town's Doom Counter increases by 1, and the next Day starts.

The Mafia wins if the number of remaining Townies is brought down to Parity. Parity is calculated as [the number of living Mafia members + Town's Doom Counter], but it is never higher than 3.

This is only worth doing once, and is probably worth doing on day 2

There's no pressure for mafia to change up their list between nights so we don't need to spontaneously come to a decision on this. That is, there's no risk involved on the mafia side when making the list, whether it shows or not.

[Dunnstral]

My instinct is to keep discussion of the mechanics down to a minimum as that's the sort of theoretical stuff that scum like to hide behind. At least for Day 1 when it's not that relevant.

I think that it's important to establish what we're doing at the beginning so people don't get the wrong idea and think that we can use it every even day

[Dunnstral]

i meant the only mechanic thing that matters is we use the list d2 and only consider abstaining from so if we lim scum d1.

lim town today -> use list everytime

lim scum today -> discuss publishing based on gamestate

Sure, this sounds right

[Dunnstral]

You really came back 30 minutes later with that thought?

[Dunnstral]

Good day to you all! I see we are off to a flying start.

The geriatric ruleset is not a ruleset I am familiar without, and one I believe I should not fall foul of regardless. I am familiar with the Not_Mafia ruleset, however, and that E-2 should be considered NM-1

While I would be more than happy to invite The White Rabbit to the party, I do believe that you are running late. VOTE: mozamis

Gut scumread on this

VOTE: Mad Hatters Tea Party

[Dunnstral]

early cheeky solve PoE of:

bulge/bugspray/dunns/michael scott

Can you explain what you are seeing from the bulge right now?

I don't know if you're expecting anything from me regarding your tone read but it's unexplained so I'm left wondering what you're talking about

[Dunnstral]

Moz is doing a good job of trying to look busy but those reads are hot garbage and [p]78[/p] is just feels like scum trying to look town by asking someone to contribute to advancing the gamestate in a way that they know the person won't. The follow up right after is probably damaga control after Moz realized that they said something which conflicted with a previous post slightly

The damage control bit is not convincing

[Dunnstral]

Moz Koba Bugs Bulge town, varying degrees of confidence
N_M Tea Party scum, varying degrees of confidence

Explanations later

-James

@ DKK - What about Dunnstral's (p.24) noting that it took half an hour for Bugspray to add to his reads? That seemed like a town "effort post" to me.
Not Mafia's flurry of posts gives me town vibes.

@Bulge - scum often post with fear/paranoia, I know I do anyway. DKK seems kinda relaxed. It's only a tentaive read mind.
By contrast, Hatter seems to me nervous and contrived.

Town now Moz, Dunn, DKK, Not Mafia.
3 scum in Ythan, Hatter, Bugspray, Michael and Bulge. And that's vaguely in order of scummiest to towniest.
I guess that means if I was calling scum team now I would go for:
Ythan, Hatter and Bugspray.

early cheeky solve PoE of:

bulge/bugspray/dunns/michael scott

I'm not sure how you guys are forming reads so fast

There's been a seriously low bar set for being a townread on day 1

VOTE: Michael Scott

He is in poe's but not being voted
I feel a bit better about hatter
Michael dropped the gimmick (?) but wrote a sort of nonsense wall about n_m

[Dunnstral]

You realise the padded wall was part of a different gimmick, right?

Then you are unreadable for me

[Dunnstral]

Because quite frankly I believe people are scared of breaching their posting restriction.

The following is not optional. I would like to see a "Gun to Head" solve, or top town reads from everyone, justification is optional. The game is stagnant, people have complained about my reads, so lets get some out there.

My solve currently stands at Mozamies, Ythan and Michael Scott. While I do have a gimmick, at least I am capable of contributing more than a story of capitalism, and attempt to create some consistency that isn't a simple tirade of verbose visual vomit.

I'm not hard townreading anyone but I'll say:


dkkoba/moz/bulge
ythan/not_mafia
Mad hatter/bugspray
Michael

Something like that

[Dunnstral]

But why

[Dunnstral]

You realise the padded wall was part of a different gimmick, right?

Then you are unreadable for me

Because quite frankly I believe people are scared of breaching their posting restriction.

The following is not optional. I would like to see a "Gun to Head" solve, or top town reads from everyone, justification is optional. The game is stagnant, people have complained about my reads, so lets get some out there.

My solve currently stands at Mozamies, Ythan and Michael Scott. While I do have a gimmick, at least I am capable of contributing more than a story of capitalism, and attempt to create some consistency that isn't a simple tirade of verbose visual vomit.

I'm not hard townreading anyone but I'll say:


dkkoba/moz/bulge
ythan/not_mafia
Mad hatter/bugspray
Michael

Something like that

But why

>"You are unreadable then"
> Bottom of reads list
> Ignores my attack pointing it out

:neutral:

-Jimothy

I don't think you have been towny

[Dunnstral]

alright so ppl stop fake townslipping: there's 3 scum in the setup. thank you.

Who did this?

[Dunnstral]

Then might I suggest the action of following my lead, and combining your posts. Should my observance of the time zone difference is correct, then your 4 posts still leave you with 6 remaining for the day.

Currently you are far fluffier in your content than your avatar suggests.

Dunnstra,l I am aware you are a more passive player in general, is there anything you could care to even nudge at this time?

DkKoba, where do your thoughts lie currently with regards to Bugspray?

I think we are acting with little information right now and spending too long discussing things right now is boring and harmful

There's 3 mafia, I'm town and not very active in the discussion, mafia can be leading the discussion we should vote out somebody suspicious and move on to the list part

[Dunnstral]

Moz looking for an angle to to introduce two new players (ythan/me) to a pool of suspects is potentially scum motivated

We should do what we were doing before that point.

[Dunnstral]

I have re-read the first five pages, and ignoring their personas/stylistic fluff, there isn't much from Michael or Hatter.
I'm slightly worried that I have been pocketed by Michael as well, I found his posts funny. So reversing some of my reads.
The obvious is that Moz,Dunn, DKK, Bulge, Bugspray are town.
So scum in: Hatter, Michael, NM, Ythan.
You can string me up for changing my mind a lot, I appreciate it's unhelpful.
But I will only be voting for Hatter, Mike, Nm or Ythan today.
And before any of those four complain: you just dont look as town as the others. If you are town, sorry. If you are scum, then cool.

Why is Dunn now back to being a strong townread for you? You mentioned re-reading the first five pages, but it isn't clear if you are back to townreading Dunn for the same reason that you originally townread him for, or if you are townreading him over his posts that he made after your 218, which is when you talked about scumreading him.

I think you are throwing out some fairly "easy" townreads that don't really have any substance. Commenting on the fact that Bugspray came back to the thread 30 minutes after their last post to say "Koba town" is not something that is significantly more likely to come from town!Dunn compared to scum!Dunn. It's an easy observation to make, and it was on page one, so there wasn't a lot for Dunn to comment on at the time in any case. You've gone back-and-forth on Dunn, but this is the only thing you've mentioned regarding your townread on him.

You've basically done the same thing with Bugspray. You mentioned their 42, but I interpreted that as Bugspray simply saying that they wanted Not_Mafia to join your wagon, so that people wouldn't be hesitant to put you up to E-1. Given that Not_Mafia is known for quickhammering, I don't think that Bugspray was even trying to be insulting here, they were just stating the fact that the only way that your wagon could get up to E-1 is if Not_Mafia himself joined the wagon. Based on that I think Bugspray's tone in that post is NAI. And aside from bringing up this post, the only other thing you've said about your Bugspray townread is that they've been posting very freely.

If there is more to your townreads on either of these slots, then you should elaborate further on why it's "obvious" that they are both town. I'd also like to know why you were townreading my slot (specifically Auro, since this is my first time posting) previously. I know you no longer have my slot in your townreads, but when you did, you only mentioned that Auro's vote on you was bold because it put more pressure on your slot. Was that your only reason for townreading Auro at the time, or was there more to it then that?

- Date Mike (Volxen)

mozamis were u lying in 230 cuz 244 is huge flip

Yes, I said I was uncomfortable with the solves/reads coming out so early earlier. It looks like their reads shift between town and scum here with little explanation

[Dunnstral]

This personal vendetta stuff is making me feel uncomfortable placing a vote

[Dunnstral]

i think the bulge ythan not mafia n dunnstral r probably town

Dare I ask why?

That's a lot of townreads. That leaves 4 people, excluding yourself, 3 of which would be scum. How confident are you?

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Publish the list

The parity count is capped at 3, so it won't be limlo after this
It will be something to worry about later, after we've eliminated mafia
With that in mind, I believe this is the correct choice

[Dunnstral]

Do we actually need two weeks though I think that we do not.

we can spend 2 weeks publishing the list, and then another 2 weeks deciding on the next elim.

That's maximum efficiency, right?



But seriously, the list is new information so I'd rather reveal it before we get too deep into discussion, two weeks is more than enough time to get whatever posts we want out

[Dunnstral]

Outside would be better I believe. We have 1 in 3 to find as opposed to 2 in 5.

Those are worse odds

[Dunnstral]

If we aim within the list:
- Players in the list have a 1-in-2 (2-in-4) chance of hitting mafia.
- Players outside the list have 2 in 5 of hitting mafia.

Aiming outside the list:
- Players inside the list have a 1-in-3 chance of hitting mafia.
- Players outside the list have a 1-in-2 chance of hitting mafia.

The pool for consideration is smaller outside of the list, maxed at 3 players to considered. Inside the list requires 4 to 5 players to be considered.

If you wish to place your vote upon me, then do so.

But there's 2 scum in that 4 to 5

it's the same odds for people inside the list, and better odds for those outside of it

2/5 is 40%, 1/3 is 33.33%

[Dunnstral]

datisi opens the envelope.

"the names

Ythan

,

Dunnstral

,

Not_Mafia

,

The Bulge

, and

bugspray

contain

3 town

and

2 mafia

!"

a bell tolls in the distance.

doom counter

has increased by 1.

the sun sets, it is now night 2. sunrise immediately.

My gut reaction to this is that there's 1 scum in the first 3 names and 1 in the last 2 names

[Dunnstral]

Outside would be better I believe. We have 1 in 3 to find as opposed to 2 in 5.

if u r mafia u have to say this no it would be too obvious to say otherwise
i think town would not want to just get eliminated

Using your approach here then Dunnstral is mafia aligned.


Michael I am quite interested in your NM tell, for clarity precisely how confident are you in this being correct?

What

[Dunnstral]

My gut reaction to this is that there's 1 scum in the first 3 names and 1 in the last 2 names

who

Well, not me...

Other than that, 2 of 4

In your grouping I have reasons to suspect hatter and reasons to suspect michael

[Dunnstral]

What happened to not_mafia's posting style since day start?

[Dunnstral]

My gut reaction to this is that there's 1 scum in the first 3 names and 1 in the last 2 names

who

Well, not me...

Other than that, 2 of 4

In your grouping I have reasons to suspect hatter and reasons to suspect michael

Why are you townreading Rathe?

- Date Mike (Volxen)

Predeccesor plus the grouping dynamic puttingvthem with slots I suspect more than him.

I haven't taken a good look at this game in a while, though

[Dunnstral]

The Bulge, what are you thinking?

[Dunnstral]

In my mind this game is revolving around whether Mad Hatter is scum or not right now

My thoughts are that there are some slots I have some suspicions on and most of them seem to want hatter dead

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[Dunnstral]

hmmmmmmm aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh fuck this is concerning me now too

I am feeling far more jumbled in my head now than I was before today.

Well we don't

have

to elim in the pool of 3 today

[Dunnstral]

ythan, dunnstral, not_mafia, the bulge, bugspray

ythan what do u think of michael, mad hatter, myself
dunnstral what do u think of michael, mad hatter, myself
notmafia what do u think of michael, mad hatter, myself
the bulge what do u think of michael, mad hatter, myself
bugspray what do u think of michael, mad hatter, myself

I've mentioned I think scum is more likely to be within michael/hatter

I guess my vote means I was thinking michael more

[Dunnstral]

I think it would be best to. our best case scenario then gives us 2 conftowns. what's your suggestion?

In my mind this game is revolving around whether Mad Hatter is scum or not right now

My thoughts are that there are some slots I have some suspicions on and most of them seem to want hatter dead

VOTE: Not_Mafia

can you elaborate on what specific connections you'd make with a hatter flip?

That's not what I meant, I meant I was hesitant to vote for hatter because of other player's stances on hatter

[Dunnstral]

You seem rather unsure of yourself Dunnstral, perhaps reevalute and come to a more firm conclusion...

I already have my vote in place. What more do you want from me, to switch to you?

[Dunnstral]

that is my position

[Dunnstral]

scum is stalling hammer as much as possible

Town is stalling hammer, actually

It's 5 to elim and we've got 2 votes

[Dunnstral]

If we publish the list we lose right? Since the doom counter increments?

No, it is still capped at 3

But there's no point to publishing the list as previously established and would harm us

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Execute Normally

[Dunnstral]

Yeah my theory yesterday was not mafia > Mad hatter but obviously that was wrong

Still don't think it's Rathe, so today is Michael vs Mad Hatter for me, and I've got more reasons to think Mad Hatter right now.

VOTE: Mad Hatters Tea Party

[Dunnstral]

dunn got me good

I'm not quite sure what I did