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[ejjinami]

hi jackson xD

[ejjinami]

I wasn’t really planning to play this game but here I am

don’t expect any sort of amazing activity from me

What do you think of a massclaim right at the beginning?

Vigs are potential ICs while super saints/bombs could be used to get a double lynch (if the person who’s supposed to hammer doesn’t hammer, they’ll get shot)
So theoretically it’d be better if we lynch among the bomb/supersaint group

I admit that I haven’t analyzed all aspects of it but at first glance claiming [vig] or [not vig] might be beneficial

[ejjinami]

What the fuck did I join

the maf chat. We discuss our night actions here

so who do you think we should kill?

[ejjinami]

I found a wolf
VOTE: raya

I don't know much about when mass claims are good or not so I'm also for now against it

I don’t know either. That’s why I’m asking

[ejjinami]

KABOOM.

VOTE: ejjinami

Terrible support. no heals.

you know, maybe give me a support role first then?
don’t request heals from a bloodthirsty murderer ):<

[ejjinami]

I wasn’t really planning to play this game but here I am

don’t expect any sort of amazing activity from me

What do you think of a massclaim right at the beginning?

Vigs are potential ICs while super saints/bombs could be used to get a double lynch (if the person who’s supposed to hammer doesn’t hammer, they’ll get shot)
So theoretically it’d be better if we lynch among the bomb/supersaint group

I admit that I haven’t analyzed all aspects of it but at first glance claiming [vig] or [not vig] might be beneficial

1. says not to expect any sort of amazing activity
2. asks for a massclaim

alright buddy, the bar has been lowered.

??????????????

the question about the massclaim was serious lol
I feel like people rn are rejecting it jsut because “oh no massclaims aren’t great in most setups so they surely won’t help now”, without even bothering to stop for a moment and think

We have a few potential ICs in the game but besides that, absolutely no investigative power. That alone makes me really unwilling to lynch among that bunch

Bombs and super saints can be used to find scum as well. Lynching a supersaint can give us advantage over the mafia (lower their kill to lynch ratio)
so at first glance, claiming [vig, not vig] doesn’t seem like a bad idea

I’m NOT good at setup spec and I DON’T have a lot of experience with it, which is why I’m asking. Please think of it and provide me with an answer different from just “lol no”

[ejjinami]

no but on a serious note, i don't think massclaiming is beneficial in that if i'm understanding this correctly, it just sets scum up with an easier path on who to kill/needlessly sets town back a bit.

I can see a massclaim being helpful later in game to lie detect and try to mechanically solve the game but as it is now I don't think town would gain much info whereas it would really help scum

welp... ok
I should have read the entire thread before posting

that’s fair. I forgot about the kill PoE

[ejjinami]

I can't see ANY reasonable situation where even a partial vig claim would help us here, honestly.

Kinda sus. Not sure why we'd IC vig's either.

vigs are ICs as long as the mafia kill is identified.
As long as everyone claims their shots right after making them and there’s still 1 left for mafia, those who claimed will have to be town

[ejjinami]

or at least that’s how I understand it rn

[ejjinami]

I found a wolf
VOTE: raya

You caught me... but you know what animal wolves don't like?

VOTE: ejjinami

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[ejjinami]

I can't see ANY reasonable situation where even a partial vig claim would help us here, honestly.

Kinda sus. Not sure why we'd IC vig's either.

vigs are ICs as long as the mafia kill is identified.
As long as everyone claims their shots right after making them and there’s still 1 left for mafia, those who claimed will have to be town

The shots are at night so you mean everyone claims who they killed the next day? Scum would just have one of their own claim to be a vig and then claim the nk as their shot.

we’d know that there’s 1 scum there then :P
or that the mafia no-killed (with or without having info about the vig shot prior to that)

I THINK as long as we don’t talk about the future vig shots too much and just leave it up to choice, the mafia will have no reason to no-kill
So IF by chance all kills are claimed, we’ll get a PoE of 1 scum among the claimants anyway
That doesn’t seem like a bad deal to me

[ejjinami]

Idk, personally too much wifom about the 1 scum or no kill for me to be happy with that plan. Mafia no kills and then we're just picking off our vigs because we assumed mafia had no reason to no kill.

All kills will be claimed though. If we go through with this mafia have no choice but to have 1 claim vig and the kill or else we have a bunch of confirmed townies. Unless they're assuming there won't be many vigs that aren't blank and they're ok with that amount getting confirmed. Then they're obvious targets for the kill because they're confirmed town and also confirmed not to be bombs.

disagree but let’s just see how it goes then. Discussing mafia actions that haven’t happened yet is not a good idea

ejj is town hehe
T bone is scum hehe

wild guess: if saudade is scum, it probably isn’t with T-bone

this looks kinda dumb as for bussing

[ejjinami]

weirdly worried about raya versus ejj being tvt though, i don't sr either of them after reading their exchange.

it’s as if any of us will get lynched from a bunch of RvS votes
if either of us was at L-1, maybe then it’d have some weight

if you’re “worried” why not just push someone instead of saying it lol

[ejjinami]

I can't see ANY reasonable situation where even a partial vig claim would help us here, honestly.

Kinda sus. Not sure why we'd IC vig's either.

vigs are ICs as long as the mafia kill is identified.
As long as everyone claims their shots right after making them and there’s still 1 left for mafia, those who claimed will have to be town

But the problem being with that is, the fact that we have blank vigilantes who can't back anything up, so it's easy for scum to say they are a vigilante but then claim they must be blank, we aren't then any further forward whether to believe a claim.

For example you can have 4 people claim they shot 4 different people, but all 4 are alive, the 4 claimed vigilantes then can say they must be blank vigilantes and we're still in the square one situation.

there’s no point of talking about that either. Blanks will know that they’re blanks immediately after shooting
cases where 2 people claim the same shot should be looked into

that’s all there is to it. This is IIOA, push someone instead

[ejjinami]

VOTE: kop

[ejjinami]

VOTE: kop

probably the best wagon till now

[ejjinami]

VOTE: kop

probably the best wagon till now

Because they did iioa? Explain this read

yeah

nepenthe did sth weird but not necessarily scummy
T-bone would just ignore me
Raya seems to be just chilling in an adorable way xD
you’re doing something...
kop seems to want to do something serious but did something completely useless instead
and the rest just doesn’t exist

it’s a serious vote for a stupid reason.

[ejjinami]

weirdly worried about raya versus ejj being tvt though, i don't sr either of them after reading their exchange.

Odd thing to be worried about? What's wrong with us being TvT?

I think this a general hole in nepenthe's logic. I need an answer to this question

Also I'm tinfoiling a Raya/nepenthe team simply because this post's tone seem somewhat too questioning. I'm going to wait for flips until I act much further on association reads but for now I need an answer.

VOTE: nepenthe

why do you think raya is scum?

I'll join you here. That statement made no sense. VOTE: Nepenthe

and that’s how a wagon, with even less reasoning than my vote on kop, forms.

Not opposed, you just likely won’t get anything from that. This is not a good reason to lynch a player who’s at least trying to progress the game

Come to think of it, from memory ejji yeeted iioa on us immediately and is reading Kop as scum because they are doing iioa as well?

- JV

there’s a difference between “talking about mechanics and then pushing people on my own” and “talking about mechanics and doing nothing else”

that’s not hipocripsy

[ejjinami]

ejj is town hehe
T bone is scum hehe

wild guess: if saudade is scum, it probably isn’t with T-bone

this looks kinda dumb as for bussing

RVS? Like we're WAY too early to be building connections and anit-connections.

I never said that’s a confident read, just something to start with.

Spoiler:

I wasn’t really planning to play this game but here I am

don’t expect any sort of amazing activity from me

What do you think of a massclaim right at the beginning?

Vigs are potential ICs while super saints/bombs could be used to get a double lynch (if the person who’s supposed to hammer doesn’t hammer, they’ll get shot)
So theoretically it’d be better if we lynch among the bomb/supersaint group

I admit that I haven’t analyzed all aspects of it but at first glance claiming [vig] or [not vig] might be beneficial

I wasn’t really planning to play this game but here I am

don’t expect any sort of amazing activity from me

What do you think of a massclaim right at the beginning?

Vigs are potential ICs while super saints/bombs could be used to get a double lynch (if the person who’s supposed to hammer doesn’t hammer, they’ll get shot)
So theoretically it’d be better if we lynch among the bomb/supersaint group

I admit that I haven’t analyzed all aspects of it but at first glance claiming [vig] or [not vig] might be beneficial

1. says not to expect any sort of amazing activity
2. asks for a massclaim

alright buddy, the bar has been lowered.

??????????????

the question about the massclaim was serious lol
I feel like people rn are rejecting it jsut because “oh no massclaims aren’t great in most setups so they surely won’t help now”, without even bothering to stop for a moment and think

We have a few potential ICs in the game but besides that, absolutely no investigative power. That alone makes me really unwilling to lynch among that bunch

Bombs and super saints can be used to find scum as well. Lynching a supersaint can give us advantage over the mafia (lower their kill to lynch ratio)
so at first glance, claiming [vig, not vig] doesn’t seem like a bad idea

I’m NOT good at setup spec and I DON’T have a lot of experience with it, which is why I’m asking. Please think of it and provide me with an answer different from just “lol no”

no but on a serious note, i don't think massclaiming is beneficial in that if i'm understanding this correctly, it just sets scum up with an easier path on who to kill/needlessly sets town back a bit.

I can see a massclaim being helpful later in game to lie detect and try to mechanically solve the game but as it is now I don't think town would gain much info whereas it would really help scum

welp... ok
I should have read the entire thread before posting

that’s fair. I forgot about the kill PoE

I can't see ANY reasonable situation where even a partial vig claim would help us here, honestly.

Kinda sus. Not sure why we'd IC vig's either.

vigs are ICs as long as the mafia kill is identified.
As long as everyone claims their shots right after making them and there’s still 1 left for mafia, those who claimed will have to be town

I can't see ANY reasonable situation where even a partial vig claim would help us here, honestly.

Kinda sus. Not sure why we'd IC vig's either.

vigs are ICs as long as the mafia kill is identified.
As long as everyone claims their shots right after making them and there’s still 1 left for mafia, those who claimed will have to be town

The shots are at night so you mean everyone claims who they killed the next day? Scum would just have one of their own claim to be a vig and then claim the nk as their shot.

we’d know that there’s 1 scum there then :P
or that the mafia no-killed (with or without having info about the vig shot prior to that)

I THINK as long as we don’t talk about the future vig shots too much and just leave it up to choice, the mafia will have no reason to no-kill
So IF by chance all kills are claimed, we’ll get a PoE of 1 scum among the claimants anyway
That doesn’t seem like a bad deal to me

All of ejji's contentful posts before any actual non-iioa popped up and then they be hypocritical and then SR Kop for doing the same, or at least that's what I understood of their post.

.......... :/

what was the point of all of that. If you think I’m scum, why not just vote me?

[ejjinami]

eh, lemme maybe say it differently.

Reading experienced players based on 1 post is near impossible... SL them, they’ll answer in any sort of longer way, people will say that “eh, it’s ok” and change votes.
I’ve seen this happen many times and I really doubt it will be different here. Placing pressure on a player you aren’t actually ok with lynching doesn’t really help at the beginning of the game

The fact that I’m pushing kop doesn’t mean that I think he’s scum either, more like: he’s a good target to vote, who scum could actually get worried about and I don’t mind getting rid of him myself.
Even if there’s a quickhammer for some reason and this flips town, we don’t lose much.
This could MAYBE pressure scum to reveal some sort of agenda if he’s not town after all

For the same reason I’d be willing to give raya and virgo a pass (not because I think they’re town, just because they contribute enough to either be sortable later on or to get night-killed)

flea might be a good target to vote as well as they sort of contribute but sort of don’t. Might become readable with some pressure.

Focusing on a player who won’t get lynched will do absolutely nothing.
Pressuring the slot? yeah
Just place the vote somewhere else, there’s no need to focus on them only