Chaos Diplomacy FINISHED! Who were the survivors?

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Yo, who wants to rule the seas with the brits?

Also brits, I love you guys so please lets stay friends! Axxle should def join.

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Russia/Scandinavia alliance?

Russia/Scandinavia alliance?

Nah, you really want a British/Scandinavia alliance.

(I'm just assuming we in Britain are working together)

(Holland is in Scandinavia as far as I'm concerned, too)

I am cool with Russia + Scandinavian alliance + British Isles and Holland. Lets go down with this!

Also, I am building a fleet for NorthSea access, lemme know.

This is cool with me. I am a little nervous just because I know there will be lots of movement around me at first so if you are wanting to move into English Channel/NorthSea I would really appreciate you asking first.

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Personally I think AcRv should go NorthSea and you should go SKA Gale. That way there is more support happening? Not sure... hard to plan when everyone is like right next to each other lol.

Like this first year is just going to be flip a coin and hope you don't die.

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Ugh Ac, everyone knows ships are the new fad.

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Carry on soldier and God speed

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Valid.

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The best part of this will be trying to strategize because we can see everything anyone posts.

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I am against prop 1.

For prop 2 and 3

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Prop 5: We must lay down arms and surrender when Britannia attacks. Yelling the British are coming is optional.

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This Mediterranean alliance looks fun! Can I join?

Unless anyone has any objections, I'm thinking of moving into the nao for now.

No objections but you are pretty far away from the action there. I don't care if you get a little closer to London in case we end up needing support somewhere.

Just my two cents.

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@Breeze- Yeah I am perfectly fine working with you and the Russians.

I don't know if I really want to deal with all the prop nonsense that the other alliances are doing though. Seems a bit much XD but certainly fun to watch.

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DeathNote, AcRv wants to go NorthSea. We can't guarantee that without support. Shall I support them in, Your Majesty?

Do it Lol

Ill support him too.

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Not sure how nervous you are klick but i don't see Denmark being in any danger from Britannia. We are going to want to establish a presence on northern Europe so already having you on our side just encourages us to protect you as the alliance's hold.

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I don't recommend Germany helping pressure russia. You don't have the luxury to look towards the east.

@snakes what do you plan on doing? Moving north still? Can you maybe hold the Irish sea or move into Wales so we have more presence going south?

@cybele- acr hit the nail on the head. In a game of diplomacy, i can't make promises before the first turn even has happened. As you said, you have three options between helping us, helping the coast, or staying neutral. Really you only have two options as staying neutral just means we win the sea. If that happens, we will be able to win the long game. You siding with us makes things faster and faster is exactly what we need right now. The alliance's farther south are what i worry about. Not the loose collection of costal cities.

Basically your incentive is to help the invading force fighting on one side or help the coast which will eventually be sandwiched. Its funny how strong Turks can be when they work together.

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@Std. I don't see why you can't be offered the same deal klick is getting assuming he refuses. Would you be on the fence on joining Britannia?

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That's a shame you chose that klick. It's not just Russia that you need to worry about.

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You can make claims of my intentions all you want but taking Denmark was never a necessity.

Good luck

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Aww that's not true. I know what you mean but totally not true. In this game, people are picking based off proximity. I haven't seen anyone make an action because of someone they liked personally which is pretty cool imo.

As for what I plan on doing now... well nothing I guess? My plans revolve around my teammates and what others what to do. I haven't really figured out what Snakes is up to and ACV hasn't had a chance to weigh in on Klick's decision.

I still consider the North Sea valuable but Britain doesn't have the manpower to lunch any sort of assault on it's own. Thats why I was all for a Scandinavia/Russia alliance. On the plus side, GB will be fairly easy to defend if we work together so I won't have to stress about the North Coast coming after us. I still would love yours and Random's help but I can no longer say if thats the safest decision for you as we could be on the losing side. I only say this because Russia getting hit from all side will take them down really fast leaving Scandinavia very open.

This is all dependent on alliances staying firm and no one backstabbing.

I think the best move for us is to play defensively. It's easy to push off anyone that enters the North Sea and time is very much our greatest ally. Either the south and/or Germany alliance falls apart from backstabs or they fight each other once the inbetween countries are eliminated. They are super powers that are destined to clash before the northern islands need to worry about it. The downside is that we can't fight off whoever wins which is why I don't like this plan as much as becoming a superalliance ourselves.

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Also Gale, if it helps I am fully willing to support you into the North Sea instead of ACR. The only reason I wanted ACR there instead of you was because there is more opportunity to support each other for an invasion there. If ACR is stuck back then he can't help out with any sort of invasion. I didn't know if what Klick said made you worry about that our not.

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Just curious but who all classifies as Russia right now? Is it Radja/Cheery/Axxle/Breeze? Or is it just Axxle?

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Yeah I think you should work with Cephrir and your friends south of you if you can. Like... having russia support you would be sweet but I don't think anything they support is going to matter at this rate.

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@STD - I don't think you have committed to anything so I'm going to try just as hard as Germany to win your favor. You do have a fleet and are in an easy spot for me to support you in. I think its possible that we can even work with someone like Portugal who seems to be on the backfoot. Going into the english channel won't work so I don't advise that, regardless of what OGML says. It simply isn't possible for us to lose both the NS and ENG before year 1 ends given what units were produced.

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My only goal is survival right now.

You and me both buddy. I think that is probably everyone's goal at first as... can you really trust your neighbor lol?

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Going into the english channel won't work so I don't advise that, regardless of what OGML says. It simply isn't possible for us to lose both the NS and ENG before year 1 ends given what units were produced.

Bel supports Bre into the channel, or vice versa, guaranteed success against your max one from Lon. Two of Nor/Den/Hol support the third into the North Sea, guaranteed success against your max of two from Lon and Edi.

Oh you are assuming that you have Norway on your side too.

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Just curious but who all classifies as Russia right now? Is it Radja/Cheery/Axxle/Breeze? Or is it just Axxle?

I bleed vodka and I will until the day I die

I approve of your patriotism sir.

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So the only way Germany becomes a threat is if they target an enemy (Russia), unite everyone against that common enemy, protect their backdoor as they eliminate said enemy (France/Brest), and then reap the spoils of taking those supplies. Even then, Scandinavia needs to still be in a Pact with them otherwise they will have 5 nations north and however many south all collapsing on them. It really will depend on how long Scan. and France plan on staying friendly with them.

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I don't speak for Britain but I know that I didn't seek other allies because I thought we had everything we needed. Scandinavia/Britain/Russia is a powerful force and whats better is that no one is above us meaning we just have a straight shoot down.

Denmark is part of Scandinavia right? I assumed we would have tried to take holland or something around there.

How does not making any deals with Germany make us more likely to attack Denmark as opposed to another country?

Am I right in assuming you won't help BEL/HOL take the North Sea?

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If that is klick's concern then it does not go away by siding with Germany. The focus just shifts from north south to east west leaving him on the flank for both wars.

Perhaps he thinks Russia is an easy win?

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There is no reason to make that move when we have so much potential to protect and control the north sea. You are relying on a loose collection of countries to support you doing... what? Germany gain loads by not having to worry about their northern boarder but you are essentially doing the same thing we proposed but in reverse.

I don't see how you will even have the man power to continue that attack especially if you are being pressured from Russia and eventually Turks.

The you of course being costal countries.

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Assuming you take the north sea and English channel, then what? You won't have support to take ACRV or myself and you will be required to keep forces behind the sea to support the fleets otherwise they will just get dislodged. There is just not enough resources for you to push on the U.K.

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Also thanks random, I too want to support you guys as allies.

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You are making assumptions OGML but lucky for me you aren't actually involved in what happens in the seas. Ill take the coin flip every day of the week no problem.

Gale, random supports our original alliance while klick does not. I know you want to keep Scandinavia together so this decision might be hard for you. Just know that Britain is all for supporting you and do you really want to ally with someone who is already threatening your neighbor?

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STD hasn't even committed to a side yet

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I'm all for that Snakes. Like, if i can't trust my home buddies to be near me then i will never get anywhere.

I seconded a pact with Portugal.

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Mom and dad are fighting again aren't they?

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@Random

Your post reads: 'I want to ally with GB, but I'll follow what you do, Klick' which means you're not planning to ally with GB and you are on Klick's side, is this correct?

I know I'm not random but just want to point out that was before Germany threatened him.

Do you need this answer before you answer my questions?

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You answered most of what i asked so let's move on.

I am actually ok with you moving into the English channel if we can maintain good terms. Yes the numbers are against us both that includes countries that have no costal presence. We are not really that outnumbered assuming Gale isn't against us.

Short answer: move into the English channel but only if you are doing so with the intention of helping next round.

Also make sure Paris has your back.

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OMGL claimed he would take him to war if he went into the Baltic then tried to convince Gale and klick to turn on him.

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We want to stay friends with Portugal too so we have common allies in a way.

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Next round will be interesting because that's when people actually figure out who is aligned where. There are a few assumptions being made which i predict will hurt several countries next round.

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I'll have what breeze is having please.

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Sounds good std. We can talk more next phase about what the options are.

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Klick isnt sounding much like a northerner any more. Here's hoping Scandinavia moves on without him.

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I would rather have all three on my side then just two, but I'll take what i can get.

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I would rather have all three on my side then just two, but I'll take what i can get.

In this post, London doesn't deny that they want to kill Scanadinavia.

Who is surprised?

Are you going to try and win this by just being the loudest?

If Scandinavia is worried let them voice it.

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Just keep digging that hole lol

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I have yet to lie to anyone. In fact, i have been be honest with who i support and what my intentions are. The low countries however, have said anything they can to gather support including discrediting other nations when there has literally been no actions worth indicating intentions.

So just keep digging while people like Zulify and random recognize your shady talk.

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Yeah did he attack you? I thought maybe there was support Too from Bulgaria too but i guess i read that wrong.

Also thank you Gale. I Will remember that you did that.

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I am for klick being in the north sea.

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If it makes everyone happy then i want you there too.

I haven't explored all the options so maybe I'll fight you for it? I need to just get home then worry about it then.

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Ok so, SXSW Sucks ass and is draining my soul. I am home but about to pass out. I'll probably still phone post tomorrow but here is my thought process so far.

Spoiler: My rant

@Snakes -

Since the North Sea is still open, you being there isn't as important but that doesn't mean that the North Sea will stay open. I think we may need you to stay put. The alternative would be take English Channel but I see no reason to do that if Brest is friendly.

Things I need to know:

Brest

, you are in an interesting position and GB can't really move anywhere without moving around or through you. I wanted you to take the English Channel because I was hoping we could be reasonable this round if things went badly. As it stands, things didn't go badly but that doesn't mean I don't want to still be reasonable with you. In a perfect world, I would ask you to take the North Sea and for my allies to support you doing so. Then Snakes could follow up by taking the English Channel and giving us a reasonable presence to either defend or attack. I know this is unrealistic as that puts you far away from home with no way to protect yourself.

You have two alternatives as I see it, unless you consider retreating back to Brest an option.
1.) You stay where you are. I would only be ok with this if you maintained that you are at

minimum

neutral to the coastal conflict. You could also aid GB in taking Belgium in which case I would gladly let you take the supply depot and support you from the sea.
2.) You move into PIC so that you can still stay near your home base yet also have the potential to support either side of the coastal conflict. I'm pretty indifferent on this option.

After this is figured out then I need to know how the Norwegian countries plan on acting. Are they committing to anyone other then "what klick says" or is there an actual alliance play somewhere? Gale supported us this one time but I don't know if I can rely on that again. Klick seems to have his mind set and Random is following Klick. If Klick going into the North Sea makes Gale happy and maintains a peace there, then I am cool with that. I know Klick will probably see it as an aggressive move towards taking British soil but that simply won't happen without more fleets to support him. Essentially I just want to find a way to keep an alliance with our neighbors despite Klick's determinism.

Lastly, I need to plan out where my fleet should support. As of now, I think GB should work together to support someone into the North Sea again depending on responses to my first two points. If STD is with us, then we can easily try to push ACRV into the North Sea again. My target is still Belgium and Holland as they seem the most logical invasion point. Whoever does side with us will even get the glory of taking the supply unless you somehow think thats not beneficial to you. My greatest worry is that my offers will come off as me luring allies away from their base which is not what I am concerned about. Its a lose lose in the sense that if someone from GB takes it, we get seen as a threat but if we let STD or Gale extend out and take it, then we are just planning to backstab them.

Tell me what I can do to help alleviate these worries.

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I also wish there was some way to help Portugal. We are close enough to work together but the people inbetween us are mutual allies so there is no real target for us to go for.

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I notice that ACR has offered to withdraw our support of Russia. If this convinces Klick to at least stop stressing about us, then I will make that claim too. It's not like I can do much for Russia anyways other then distract. Even that is proving difficult at this point.

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You must construct additional pylons.

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STD... easy as 1, 2, 3. Yeah simple as penis and glee, where you be? Come and play Mr. STD! Yeah

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Seconded!

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I think it's time for Britannia to revaluate it's alliances. I am all for being friends with Scandinavia but so long as Klick is against us, that won't happen. I think we can be friends with Sweeden but that doesn't actually help us similar to a Russian alliance. With Portugal's plea for help, that might be a golden opportunity for us all.

Suggestion:
Alliance between France/Britain/Portugal for a total of six countries.

The Brits will be on the defensive so long as we don't have outside support but if we do ally, then we can give great support to the inland countries. We won't be gaining territory but we will at least be protected and that is all I need. I was hoping to ally with STD anyways which is why I welcomed him into English Channel hoping to build up some trust.

@Loki/Portugal - I will gladly help you but in order to do that, you need to just stay in the game. I don't know if Ani is actually aggressive to you yet but he certainly seems to think you are someone he can just take over at any point if he needs to. If you actually want our help, then you will need to attack Spain. The reasoning is because Tunis is just south of you giving you a potential 2v1 if they work together. Attacking Spain prevents him from supporting Tunis into MAO and if he happens to take Portugal, then that just gives you Spain for a quick swap so neither player loses anything. If you try to go back into Portugal, then Spain can support Tunis into MAO and threaten to overtake you next adjucation or he could bounce you out and wait for Tunis to move into West.Med. Attacking Spain gives you the least amount of risk and guarantees you can't be taken before winter.

@Defender/Paris - Assuming you accept this new alliance proposal, then you are the only ground force between the six of us. Your force is key in locking the low countries away from France and potentially putting pressure on spain. Moving into GAS would be awesome but you can't realistically get away with that thanks to Kiel marching west. I think your best move is to bump at BUR so you can stall for STD.

@STD/Brest - You are the only one who can put pressure on the coast so that we can focus on helping portugal. Moving into PIC seems like the strongest play by far. You can then pressure Belguim and get support from the English Channel if Snakes moves there. This creates a Psudo Wall between the coastal countries up to Scandinavia if they keep up pressure.

@Snakes/Liverpool - Following up behind STD gets you into the game so that seems like a no brainer. You can either support STD next turn or support a counter attack into the North Sea once the low countries take it.

@ACRV/EDI - I think.... bouncing Norway in the Norwegian sea is best? We can't stop them from taking the North Sea but we want them to have to commit support so they can't counter our other moves. I think you need to play your move by ear depending on what the low countries do.

I can't do shit lol.... I will move to the north Sea I suppose? That gives ACRV/STD the option to support me if we need to change moves on the fly.

This will be a game of reaction as everything is public knowledge but I think we have the numbers with this new alliance to win the long game. I hope you guys are cool with teaming up!!!

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@Defender - You also have the option to support STD into PIC because that move is pretty important. Just use your best judgement and lets keep those options open.

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Just need to hear from Defender that somebich.

Thanks for playing LL!! Hope everything is ok!!!

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Where is N ultimately headed?

Ikr? I have no idea what's happening there.

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Is it possible to get prods out?

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Regardless of what you choose Loki, i don't see any reason for us to not remain friends. Just throwing that out there.

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We are separated but with France being allied, we can cooperate. But i suppose since defender hasn't done anything for a couple days, we have no gauratees that we can get down there.

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I'm pretty sure its been known for a long ass time I'm terrible with my words - hence my title. I've explained everything I meant to say since, and I'm sorry, Loki.

Can confirm this as truth lol

You two should just stay allied as it makes expanding out so much easier.

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Defender! You don't have much time to choose an action.

Let me know if you are cool with being friends and if your cool with supporting your neighbor STD into PIC

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Sweet looks like things turned out ok then. We lost portugal as an ally but at least we don't have to stress about supporting him and he didn't seem interested in being hostile towards us. Keeping that pac up would be sweet

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Loki, can you at least keep your Pact agreement until next year? There is no reason for you to be moving north just as there was little reason to ally us and go south.

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DN I'm concerned about MedAgree if Loki and Ani are bleeding their colors and Aronis continues his westardly path and is bounced by the invisible wall at the edge of the map he's going to come knocking soon with friends.

Yeah i understand the concern. Snakes is replacing you in the English channel so we have the ability to protect your flank there. Ideally i would want you to be the one to take Belgium so that you can build a second fleet or army.

We just need to make sure portugal isn't going to do anything weird yet And they shouldn't as he isn't apart of the medagree yet.

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I think your safe std. It's too late to be submitting orders from medagree to a country they haven't accepted yet.

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Oof, you guys are making this tough.

What does that mean? Lol

No need to make things tough. Just be chill like we were meant to be

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The game will eventually reach a point where fear tactics no longer work due to apathy.

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I don't like OGML

Random

, sticking with our plan seems best to me. But if not, then please come back to Sweden. We may need some help to resolve the North Sea conflict.

Or you could just... not fight in the north sea?

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If we had been allied, I wouldn't have to worry about explaining my long term goals. Honestly, I see me as a support nation and one that helps support my ally into a power house that can roll over the rest of Europe giving us a joint victory. I just don't see a way for us to gain supply inland without help from someone already inland but we need to offer supply in order to get that support. See what I'm saying? Basically I fear my long term goal is to just support another nation to victory and hope they take us with them and being on the water helps with that.

Short term goal? Push France into taking the coast line so that they can no longer fight us on the water. Then we push Scandinavia back and work from there. If we even make it that far, then I can think about the next move.

@Snakes- yeah I already submitted that btw. Good suggestion.

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Have I ever once showed any signs of hostility to Scandinavia?

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yeah i was wondering... Gale seemed a little too ok with just bouncing up north.

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Yeah Ani, our next year actions depend upon what you are up to. I know you couldn't just stay in there and do nothing but now you are adjacent STD and we really can't afford to send him back to stop you.

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Cybele? Thats interesting... you are two spaces away right now though.

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So you are saying you want to move to BUR? Like if you are going that far away from Spain then I guess I won't deny you that. The problem is your aren't allied with France/GB right now. I'm sure we can compromise and give you territory in exchange for you leaving France alone.

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Well Gale wants you to seem like the villain so no one realizes just how dastardly his move on Russia was.

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Midget seems like a much more straightforward player then Gale. I would believe Midget 90% of the time when comparing the two.

So this is interesting...

I have two options in my head, one revolving around counter attacking but probably just trading piece for piece? The other is just defending but time is no longer on our side.

Then there is ani... Yeah France/GB so 5 countries total. We would be in a better spot if we had just made that alliance from the get go but positioning our stuff has been hard not knowing who to trust.

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Low countries need to backstab each other more. Particularly Kiel into Denmark.

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Can we just not replace Cyb lol. I have a feeling that slot isn't going to last long if Ani does actually want to help take it.

I don't think we have had quarrel yet other then the fact you are associated with the coastal countries and that has been a target of mine for a bit.

Norway should just take all of Scandinavia, I'm down with that. Then you aren't all over my backside and Klick can start getting nervous.

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This is also worth noting - but if Northern Alliance wants Cybele's space for themselves instead (which may prove handy vs. potentially upcoming NA vs. Scandanavia if this continues), I am fine with a country trade instead of having to walk all the way up.

I can never ask this of another player. I am considering doing it this turn for myself but it is too much of a risk to ask another player to give up their starting territory.

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I'm happy they did. Shows trust.

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Gale, I'm sure you understand when I say I am far more scared of you then I am of OGML. Like, I knew going into this that he was going to backstab someone and thus never trusted him from the start. You are someone who I wasn't sure about and wanted to try and work with but now I'm kinda glad we didn't.

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Sorry acr, i should have warned you to fall back but public press makes things awkward.

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I'm the one who is scared lol, what tactics is that?

GB/France buddies, lets talk. What do you want? I had envisioned us applying pressure on Belguim well holding off the North Sea attack. Basically this is the set up turn for STD to deal the finishing blow in the fall. That plan changed a little with Spain in the mix and Gale having an extra unit to work with.

Snakes, talk to me about the pros/cons of you attacking me and me moving to YOR. Is this move worth it? It would mean I have to go into Liverpool in the Fall if I don't want to get eliminated but it protects our shores. I think this might be the best move assuming Ani/Spain is actually down to take Belguim for us. Then we can slowly regain our numbers again. Then again, it could all backfire and Spain just attacks us after gaining a new advantage...

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@ Western MedAgree:

I am claiming Cybele's spot as mine. If you take Spain while I am out, the rest of the MedAgree will undoutedly target you (and potentially other would as well) for being untrustworthy. Therefore, I would recommend not taking Spain or interfering with me.

@Northern Alliance:

I expect I'll need some support in entering Cybele's location, as I expect the default no-submission is to hold - given how I'm not attacking you, could I get a promise for support from someone who would be nearby?

If you are willing to risk going for Cybele, I won't stop you and will ask for our teams support. I think Marseilles would have to slingshot you into BUR. We would need someone in PIC and English Channel to support you into that spot which might be hard to do if Snakes is forced to leave the Channel.

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@ACR- since you didn't get bounced, you are in an odd spot. The obvious move is to go back to your home base. I think no matter what it is that you do, you shouldn't tell anyone. You have the option of attacking the North Sea or moving home. Moving home would bounce Klick out of your spot if he attacks you. Going for the North Sea will help us bounce anyone that tries to take it after klick leaves or you just get to flat out take the zone which would be sweet. The risk of getting taken is pretty large but I think the wifom of it is the only way to pull ahead. Don't bother responding to this as yes or no, just pick between the two options unless you see a better alternative.

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I think Snakes just has to support STD into Belguim. There is no other way to ensure that Jelly isn't helping someone else try to enter the North Sea. We need Norway to be the only country with any option of what to do.

I'm going to sleep on it.

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Snakes, talk to me about the pros/cons of you attacking me and me moving to YOR. Is this move worth it? It would mean I have to go into Liverpool in the Fall if I don't want to get eliminated but it protects our shores. I think this might be the best move assuming Ani/Spain is actually down to take Belguim for us. Then we can slowly regain our numbers again. Then again, it could all backfire and Spain just attacks us after gaining a new advantage...

I really don't see the point of this.

I like the other plan better. I'm cool supporting whoever wants to be supported into Belgium. I also think it couldn't hurt to put some pressure on the North Sea. Maybe if you attacked it and AcRv either supported or protected Edinburgh. That would at least make Denmark think about attacking Edinburgh, or getting support to hold.

I would much rather prefer to work with Scandinavia, but if they're against us, that forces our hand.

Ok I'll scrap this idea. The point is it would give us the potential to protect all of our coast and so long as you don't stay in London in the fall, I'll be fine. But yeah, silly idea from my perspective anyways.

New guy, maybe we can reason with him?

I do agree that we need pressure on the north sea this turn. Norway will for sure try to move into it but shouldn't get ssupport Holland due to the pressure on Belgium. I will support acr into the north sea but he will need to flip a coin on attacking or defending his home.

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Surprised at you random. We haven't done anything untrustworthy so why the hate?

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Just throwing this out there but we are already supporting ani into bur from Paris. You have the option of just following up and moving into GAS if you want.

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Nvm looked at the map and that's a silly idea. Next fall is when you would follow up into bur

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Yeah that's Gale. I did nothing wrong.

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Sure Random

I was interested in taking Belgium

With brest exposed I am eager to get a foothold somewhere else.

STD

, You will be able to take it in the fall right after me. After the army lands in Belgium, it can move to Ruhr or Holland and you can get into Belgium with Snakes support from the English Channel.

Assuming TBO is willing to do this, I would rather STD go in first and then you take Holland after. That way we at least upheld our obligation of getting STD territory who was technically the first person we promised to help.

The problem is figuring out what to do with Ani. We are promising him territory somewhere so he could technically just trade into STD at Brest but that defeats the purpose of getting STD supply to begin with.

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I'm going to read through the thread to see what's happened so far and try to catch up as soon as possible, and then I'll respond.

I wish I could summarize for you but it's a little hard. Essentially you are Denmark and have a fleet in the North Sea which puts you in a strong position, especially since Norway is backing you and has two supplies.

You have the option of continuing Klick's conquest into GB (which we will fight as hard as we can) or you can pact with GB and help Norway take the coast. Seems kinda win/win for Scandinavia.

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@Britain - We don't want Scandinavia on our ass for the rest of the game but so long as they have the North Sea and more supply, it will feel that way. What are your guys thoughts? Are we able to hold them off and take the coast with France's help or do we need to help them in exchange for something like control of the North Sea? Thats a pretty big bargaining chip.

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DN if you guys are allied with north France and Scandinavia you're not going to be able to expand beyond the low countries. Y'all would certainly have the forces necessary to take on Germany but the Brits won't see any of those gains, our centers will end up controlled by your current allies and you'll be completely hemmed in.

I'm aware. Just trying to decide if we can survive the Alternative

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@Britain - We don't want Scandinavia on our ass for the rest of the game but so long as they have the North Sea and more supply, it will feel that way. What are your guys thoughts? Are we able to hold them off and take the coast with France's help or do we need to help them in exchange for something like control of the North Sea? Thats a pretty big bargaining chip.

If it helps you at all, I'd be willing to help you all out once I get to Belgium - granted it'd take me a bit, but its worth noting.

Loving that you are willing to help but you do have allies with the medagree. Just curious as to how or relationship would play out.

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I'll address your shiz in a bit Gale. This is the only response I have right now.

You are wanting to be shipped into the mainland and I am cool with that. In return, I would like for us to be able to reclaim the North Sea.

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Or I guess "claim" is more appropriate since we haven't had it yet.

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This plan does leave Ani out without a supply until next year meaning he is very open to being taken while away from Spain.

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Perhaps we let Ani take Brest and STD takes both Holland and Belgium?

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Perhaps we let Ani take Brest and STD takes both Holland and Belgium?

Yes please, that way mist can move to Bur

No one agreed to this. Defender should be the one to move to BUR.

@ani- please wait till fall to move into brest in case something happens that stops our expansion

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STD, be careful you don't aid in your own elimination this year. You have no way to guarantee Gale doesn't just hold Bel for himself, and you're apparently agreeing to give up your home center this turn. You might be the one without a chair when the music stops.

This was my only concern. The plan is works out great as far as being unstoppable. There is no one that could prevent it. The only issue is if someone decides to not commit as this is a game of diplomacy and backstabs. This is why I would at least like for Ani to wait a turn before going into Brest and instead support Defender into BUL.

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As Scandinavia pushes forward, I imagine Britain will be compensated. In the mean time, I am content with us just gaining positioning and strengthening our allies.

OGML, I understand you are a little nervous and you have every right to be but with all the alliances around you and how creative you are, I am sure you can find a way to keep your remaining team alive. With that said, siding with the team that could eliminate me seems much smarter then siding with the team that isn't anywhere near me.

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No you can do the army convoy. I never said that wouldn't work, I was just worried about players not following up the next Fall on promises and thus screwing STD out of any territory.

By all means, convoy your army.

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So what am I supposed to be doing this round?

Move to Bur. The northern alliance can send Def to bounce but it doesn't help them at all considering the purpose of your move would be to harass and potentially capture Munich

Can we please take note of this?

No this is not happening. Back off Dan, this is a northern thing and I'm not letting two of your pawns enter into our territory. We are giving you Brest already, be happy with that and stop trying to instigate.

Mist please just support Defender into BUR, there is a reason I want him there over you and its because of allegiances. I don't want too have two medagree players surrounding Paris and pushing into Germany. We don't need the help in Germany and Defender can do everything you would be doing in BUR.

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The convoy thing isn't happening? Ok so is TBO going back home this turn then?

If so, ACR should move into the NTH Sea now. I'm fine with STD just taking Belgium this turn.

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I am willing to do either plan but if I can get two territories by year's end I would be very happy.

This is actually not possible as you only have one Fleet and can only gain a supply by controlling it when Fall ends. Controlling it at the end of spring does nothing. You can still push into Holland next year but you won't have 2 supply if Ani ends up taking Brest.

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I'm no longer liking this arrangement very much. This is assuming that Ani is listing to what Dan is actually saying.

I want to go back to the original plan of Convoying Gale into Belgium with STD/Snakes support.

The only thing I would like to change is having Defender move into GAS so that he has multiple options next turn and makes it easier for us to either push Ani out, take Spain/Mars, or protect Paris.

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Hahahaha this is funny. Forgot to submit but didn't matter anyways.

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Crap Defender didn't move into GAS... now we have no way to pressure Medagree for being so aggressive. Whats worse, Mist still managed to get into Bul without support.

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I missed most of what was decided but just from me looking at the map, here is my thought process.

Defender is in trouble and rightfully so as he didn't contest medagree from getting near his base. If he had been in Gas or even bumped Mist, things would be better cause we could spend this turn re positioning to take back Brest for STD.

It looks like Scandanivia is a little divided now so perhaps it's best to let them fight out their own fight so long as they leave the north sea. I would like to call a truce with Germany for the next year so that the North can reestablish France and reposition our fleets. I don't know where Holland lies as far as alliances goes but I am assuming Jelly isn't very interested in fighting for any one country anymore. If anything, that is sort of a dead country now.

By the end of next year, I would love for Brest to be back in STD's hands, Ani/Mist to be pushed back, British Fleets to have established a blockade around Britain, and for the Northern Alliance to be ready to take Holland.

@ACRV- Moving into the North Sea seems smart at this point. That's what I recommend.

@Snakes - Your move depends on what Mist/Ani decide. You should probably leave it as attacking Brest so that Ani can not support Mist into Paris. The other option is moving into Pic so I can follow up into the English Channel. Then we just retake whatever we want in the fall. STD could support you there.

@STD - You need Brest back. Taking Holland isn't an option as you can't build any new units with those supplies and thus unable to protect them. Either you go into PIC if Germany is willing to truce, or you support Snakes into PIC so we can retake Brest for you. If we do the second option, you won't be able to actually move into Brest in the next year which is disappointing.

@DEF- you probably just need to move into GAS so that you can prevent Spain's new unit from moving into there. Then if you get taken by Mist/Ani, you can just retreat into GAS as it will be empty. That leaves us with a numbers advantage for that area and cuts off support. You will even have the option of taking Mars if it remains unprotected.

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Oh and then there is TBO. Please move out of the North Sea and return home. You have your own battle to fight and should work out your differences with Gale. People will naturally criminalize Gale as much as possible but in the end, its up to you if you think you can work with Norway again. Just figure it out not where you are right now lol

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I just realized we are only in the fall...

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I forgot to action again.

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Ill move to Wales. I'm not doing anything where i am and i keep forgetting to do actions. I'm all but eliminated at this point.

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Snakes can just support defender into brest and then portugal has to stay put Or else ani loses. Sure mist could take Paris but we get to take out an army and move right back into Paris after.

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Idc at this point. Tbo can't really afford to leave home. Yeah portugal can just support ani. I'm cool with that because then they aren't doing anything.

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@defender- attack brest and snakes should support you. That is all.

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Not any time soon Thanks to Portugal leaving the sea. Acr needs to move to nth sea just because he can't help from where he is.

Snakes doesn't think me going to wales will help anything.

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Bleh... I forgot to change my action away this time. Like... I don't think I have managed to do anything productive this game.

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So whats great about public press is that two countries can never take one country if the one country knows who is attacking and how is supporting. The reason being is that Defender can just attack Mist (supporter) to break the support and get bounced back into Brest. Meanwhile, Ani attacks with 1 because the support gets broken and is unable to take Brest who still has 1.

Just give up Ani and go find somewhere else to invade.

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It was a delicate situation at the time. It isn't that I wasn't for working with you, it was that I didn't want you to take advantage of our backs being turned which is pretty much what it looked like was happening.

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If they didn't take back Brest, we would be in a terrible position with you guys being able to pick us off one by one. There is no way we could let you do that man.

We can't give you Brest anymore. If you want something, take Holland but taking Brest puts STD out of the fight and then we again are put in the same situation.

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Unless that's an errata for this game, that's not true. In actual backstabbr you can disrupt attacks in such a manner. I could see public press causing this to be changed I guess but I never saw that said anywhere.

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Nyalite must be pretty happy right now.

I'll move into the Irish Sea.

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TBO you should probably keep an eye on things, if Kiel is being attacked you won't get support and should consider either ordering your fleet to either Bel or Lon

Fair warning... I'm going back to London lol.

I didn't want to have to actually say that but I really shouldn't have even left. Mistake on my part.

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GG snakes, I was back and forth myself on if you would take London. I was trying to not let my apathy show too much on the current game state.

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You are beside a bunch of backstabbers.... your fucked.

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Going for Belgium does seem nice but I'll tell you how the situation plays out. OGML will try to get you on his side promising to watch your back while he takes Denmark or something. Then Ani/Mist will push in and take Brest/Paris easily because STD can't support Defender. Then there is the issue of me screwing over Snakes and so that fleet is no longer able to support Defender either....

Basically you leaving home is bad juju unless you know for a fact the person you are turning your back to is someone who can't afford to hurt you. In this case.... that's STD and pretty much only him.

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Yo, Midget. We ain't got no beef ya feel?

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fierce?

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From my point of view... the battle is already in Mist's favor. Snake is gone so there is no one to stop Ani/Mist from just taking all of France and moving towards Belgium. Not much Land fighting unless you are talking about Germany in which case, yeah shit happens over there 24/7

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I WAS GOOD THIS GAME! I DIDN'T HURT SNAKES!

That being said, I don't really know what to do now. I can't have my regular "try to push Klick's fleet out of the North Sea" routine now he's not there to try and push out of the way.

I'm proud of you! I didn't wanna do it either but also know that two forces controlled by one person is easier to plan with then two separate nations.

Do you want to be in the North Sea? Either you can support me into it or I can support you into it.

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Probably going to need some people to support me to hold.

STD can but I won't be able to until the Fall.

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I won't pretend like i don't want all of Britain at this point but i also can't be wasting time moving both fleets up when i know pressure from France will hit soon. No, I'll support you and move Liverpool out.

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Except STD has nothing to fear from us?

Heck, we may even be able to work something out with Matt.

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Positioning. Id rather have a friendly fleet there then anyone else.

Then i can focus on France.

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The incentive is so that i can focus on France instead of the east.

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I use less resources. Instead of trying to split my fleets, i can just send both towards brest to help STD retake it

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Bye std! It was a pleasure! Did he submit a move for this round?

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Yo.... stop stressing about Britain. Seriously we have three fleets that can't really support each other right now. Meanwhile you have an army with Germany and navy with Scandinavia that just tagged teamed Denmark.

France is being held by a super alliance.....

Like the last thing i want is to fight Holland. Take Bulgaria, i don't care. I just want to set my forces to prepare for the inevitable onslaught. Crossing fingers that Germany fights the medagree and not me.

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Sure i guess but i don't know how much you can trust me going to english channel which is where i want to be. Its a precaution more then anything and gives me a way to support BUL. I have no land forces Sooo i have wanted an inland ally all game.

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No stop ahhh this game is so hard when people are just speaking for each other. Random please read who is saying things and don't just believe everything ogml says. Ani suggested gb attack you and ogml took that as you need to attack me first. Never have acr or myself said they wanted war with you.

Chill!

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No stop ahhh this game is so hard when people are just speaking for each other. Random please read who is saying things and don't just believe everything ogml says. Ani suggested gb attack you and ogml took that as you need to attack me first. Never have acr or myself said they wanted war with you.

Chill!

My bad, I thought you said you would.
However, you didn't deny it. OGML can't invade if I side with you as he will be undefended. Confirm peace and we can work together.

I'm just going to ignore ogml for now. I deny being aggressive to you Or wanting war with you. This is the first time gb has occupied the north sea so everyone just needs to chill. I have felt on the defensive most of the game due to shaky alliance's.

You siding with gb means German will have little chance of punishing you.

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Acrv not responding to me makes it clear his intentions are to attack bel or hol. Both ogml and ani have supported my move into there and him intersecting the two doesn't demonstrate peace. DeathNote, if you want a truce then I am happy to do that but your ally is on a different page than you.

No he just isn't as active as the rest of us. ACR is not someone I would expect to attack on his own so far away from home.

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If we manouver around territories a unified northern front could make ground in the south.

I was thinking we could let Norway take the NTH and then ACR could move to HEL. Then we would have more options for supporting. If you make a fleet next winter, it could take the baltic sea giving us potential to take Keil that fall

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It is sort of what I said. I am wanting to combine our fleets in the north instead of fighting each other with the common goal of pushing Scandinavia/Holland into Kiel.

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Oh i suck.... this game is too hard.

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Also did anyone honestly expect OGML to let Belgium go to HOL?

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Build a fleet cause... lol turks be coming.

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@ACR- move into HEL please. Better then us doing nothing.

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AC isn't reading so....

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OGML is reminding me way to much of Gale here.
I can beat him if someone helps with a unit and they will recieve 1/2 territories.

i'd probably help omgl out if this happened

Who are you?

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Mist, you can support Gascony forward.

vote: MAO -> ENG

This is not ok. If you want support fighting further east, then Britain will give it to you. You don't need to be in the channel

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Leave it or prepare to stop the Turks. I see no reason for it to move other then to threaten me.

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Hmm... guess i should have gone NTH sea.... bleh. I thought Norway would be there.

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Acr supporting ogml into HOL would be funny

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Acr, the only reason i would take you is because coordinating attacks is easier without public press.

I trust you and would like to continue working together. I don't trust ogml.

You should support Belgium into Holland and i won't attack you. Instead i support myself into the north sea so we can finally control the waters. Taking you just sets me back

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You are right, I am going to just take ACR but mostly just because time is about up and i haven't heard from him. It's just easier to do things without waiting for press response.

I am also attacking Belguim this turn. I don't expect to take it because Matt should bounce right back to it. But this prevents OGML from not bouncing you and then sneaking it out with his army just south of you.

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I just don't want to make promises I can't keep. I'll work as like... an agent for hire I suppose. What is Random going to do? Norway is a big unknown to me now and easily able to reach me. I'll just set up the English Fleets I guess and get them ready to support whoever needs it and can prove to me that I will benefit. I don't want to sit around doing nothing because i see the turks growing.

I'm also fine with Loki being a puppet so long as he just stays put.

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Technically.... Random is closer to me.

Loki coming back is kinda a bummer for me though. Lets see what he says if he gets here. Either way, I still won't be able to do much this turn other then re position the fleets.

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I am very impressed this game went so long and thankful you modded.

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Explain to me why you need the English channel? I have avoided going there because it doesn't help me do anything other then attack you guys. That goes both ways

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@ ani- i will gladly support you if you need it but Germany isn't going to pressure you right now.

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Did i submit orders?

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Right... Random has to guess if I am attacking Denmark or Norway.

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oh i don't like that... then i just declared war with all of germany plus the Netherlands.

He wants you to support him into the NTH sea for whatever reason.

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There is no way for anyone to reach me this year anyways.

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I'm still not undefended. I just let one fleet extend out to see if I can grab an extra territory somehow.

Public press will be the death of you guys.

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Good times OGML, good times.

Midget, I don't think this is a guessing game anymore so we can work out an arrangement if you want. If you move into the Baltic Sea, then I will help you take Keil next turn. I would like to have Norway as compensation though. Either way I think I am going to take it, I just want to give you an out so that we can cease fire for a moment.

Who controls Matt at this point? Is he still in the game?

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Does OGML really get to decide what Matt does even though he was obviously going to take land back from him? That's insane. The amount of times you tried to underhand a territory means that you attacking HOL was not to stop me from taking it. At least man up to what your actual intentions where there. Basically me deciding to let Matt expand has turned into me helping OGML expand and take my territory. Not sure why things turned around like that.

@Breeze, you have no reason to be worried about me invading Scandinavia. It doesn't benefit me to go that far east and you have the turks to worry about.

@Ani/Mist - I'm probably going to need your help after all so maybe moving into the English channel is needed.

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@Breeze, if you build an army then I am willing to support that army into Norway. This gives you a territory and helps me not have to fight on so many fronts.

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yeah sure you did. I could claim I anticipated your move as well. Open territory next to an army of yours? Of course you would go for it.

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Ok I'll build for myself lol

Please do. We have no quarrel.

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Except you don't protect your allies. You are the type of person to attack from behind to get an advantage. The odds were so much more in my favor to just random attack one of Norway/Denmark because even if I fail, I have a fleet in Norwegian sea to attack again with next year.

I wouldn't mind having taken HOL but at least I'll admit that I'm just calling you out for acting like you did Matt a favor.

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Lol step back just a game and anyone who takes things personally needs to take a time out.

Your playstyle is shady. Nothing to do with who you are but it does influence how view your slot in the game.

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Yo breeze? Want norway?

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Yo breeze? Want norway?

I do, accepting your deal. It'll help us both out and I can understand how a bunch of stationary fleets nearby your home base would be concerning lol

Yep pretty much. It benefits me to be the only naval force up north so I don't ever really have to worry about being invaded.

My fleets are yours for the year then, my only condition is that you don't build a fleet with this new supply.

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Thats cool with me. You had said you were quiting and I sure as hell wasn't going to let anyone else grab a free territory. If you are hear and have OGML's support, there is really nothing I can do against you. I'll be preoccupied for a year or so anyways.

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Its true. I keep telling myself it's just a game but it does feel a little wrenching to backstab people so much. I'm at the stage where no one can really be considered a permanent ally and you should only work with someone if you know you can benefit from it.

No hard feelings Midget. I am only pressuring you because I knew you were complacent and too nice. If I don't expand somehow then I won't be able to fight off other countries who are constantly expanding.

@Breeze - I'm cool with letting you take Norway/Sweeden if I can grab Denmark. In order for me to do that, can you attack Sweeden? I will support you in holding Norway so you don't lose it. Either way, you will be gaining a territory and this way I can also snag Denmark before people get near it to help out.

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Oops. I didn't mean to send a pm. I had quoted ani to say i don't need support anymore but he can and probably should build a fleet.

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Oh you can build outside of your home location?

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Supporting norway into Sweden

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Who do we send actions too?

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Ohhh this is going to be fun to watch. Which side will Radja choose???

His trusting allies have left their backs open for an easy assault. But Russia can't do much against he combined might of Bella/Radja! Either way, Radja looks to be the one that comes out ahead for now.

Stay tuned!

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Don't disrupt the Christmas team.

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Not sure if this means anything to anyone but I am not attacking. Please don't attack me and give me reason to break current peace treaties. I'm sorta bummed that I don't have an easy place to expand to anymore. This is mostly for Matt who has 2 fleets for whatever reason.

I would also like for Ani to not move north with his fleet so I don't have to worry about being backdoored. I am avoiding the english channel as a sign of good faith. The one move I am making is to bal so I can help support someone into the last resting spot of Germany (sorry OGML).

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I much prefer that because then there is no risk of you going into NAO

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Not sure what the ruling is but Radjas moves should be public press if submitted by someone else. That's what ani did with Loki.

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Don't build fleets or i will attack.

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As tempting as taking Norway is, I also want to keep Russia strong so that he can cause more trouble for the rapidly expanding Turks.

@Breeze- I will convoy you into PRU if you want to get that army into the fight. I can even support you into BER in the Fall for more supply goodness. Otherwise, I will probably support Matt into there.

@Matt- I have no ill intentions towards you but man am I frustrated by you having 2 fleets. It is just hard to figure out what to do about you when you can jump out at me at any moment. I can be convinced into supporting you into Berlin but we need to do something about those fleets. Lets you/me/breeze have a talk about the future so we can do something that benefits us all instead of causing an unnecessary war.

@Ani- I support what you are doing and think you should just finish it. I am not moving into the english channel and by extention, MAO. So please do no build a fleet.

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Oh I am very much in it for myself. I don't think anyone is misguided in assuming I am their friend. I will gladly help people though if it means helping myself hence my alliance with Breeze to take out Random. The alternative was Breeze helping Random and me going down.

I'll be a good boy though so long as no one contests the seas.

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Who Matt? Well we could find a way to destroy one so that he could rebuild an army.

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Because I don't want you to have two fleets? What are you asking? It seems like your are wondering what I gain out of it and what I gain is you not having fleets so that I get board control.

What you gain is another supply.

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Board control leads to me choosing where I want to expand. If you keep the fleets, then that limits my control and choices as I have to stay nearby to defend myself against you. On the other hand, it makes life easy for me as you would be the only valid target for me to attack.

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I dont have much Time for this. I'll try to post moves tonight assuming the deadline hasn't passed.