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Nah, you really want a British/Scandinavia alliance.
(I'm just assuming we in Britain are working together)
In post 22, AcRv wrote:(Holland is in Scandinavia as far as I'm concerned, too)
I am cool with Russia + Scandinavian alliance + British Isles and Holland. Lets go down with this!
Also, I am building a fleet for NorthSea access, lemme know.
This is cool with me. I am a little nervous just because I know there will be lots of movement around me at first so if you are wanting to move into English Channel/NorthSea I would really appreciate you asking first.
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Post #34 (isolation #2) » Wed Mar 09, 2016 5:57 pm
Postby DeathNote »
Personally I think AcRv should go NorthSea and you should go SKA Gale. That way there is more support happening? Not sure... hard to plan when everyone is like right next to each other lol.
Like this first year is just going to be flip a coin and hope you don't die.
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Post #156 (isolation #9) » Thu Mar 10, 2016 7:52 pm
Postby DeathNote »
In post 154, Snakes wrote:This Mediterranean alliance looks fun! Can I join?
Unless anyone has any objections, I'm thinking of moving into the nao for now.
No objections but you are pretty far away from the action there. I don't care if you get a little closer to London in case we end up needing support somewhere.
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Post #172 (isolation #10) » Fri Mar 11, 2016 4:14 am
Postby DeathNote »
@Breeze- Yeah I am perfectly fine working with you and the Russians.
I don't know if I really want to deal with all the prop nonsense that the other alliances are doing though. Seems a bit much XD but certainly fun to watch.
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Post #188 (isolation #11) » Fri Mar 11, 2016 8:12 am
Postby DeathNote »
In post 173, Gale Wing Srock wrote:DeathNote, AcRv wants to go NorthSea. We can't guarantee that without support. Shall I support them in, Your Majesty?
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Post #230 (isolation #12) » Fri Mar 11, 2016 3:59 pm
Postby DeathNote »
Not sure how nervous you are klick but i don't see Denmark being in any danger from Britannia. We are going to want to establish a presence on northern Europe so already having you on our side just encourages us to protect you as the alliance's hold.
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Post #347 (isolation #13) » Sat Mar 12, 2016 3:53 pm
Postby DeathNote »
I don't recommend Germany helping pressure russia. You don't have the luxury to look towards the east.
@snakes what do you plan on doing? Moving north still? Can you maybe hold the Irish sea or move into Wales so we have more presence going south?
@cybele- acr hit the nail on the head. In a game of diplomacy, i can't make promises before the first turn even has happened. As you said, you have three options between helping us, helping the coast, or staying neutral. Really you only have two options as staying neutral just means we win the sea. If that happens, we will be able to win the long game. You siding with us makes things faster and faster is exactly what we need right now. The alliance's farther south are what i worry about. Not the loose collection of costal cities.
Basically your incentive is to help the invading force fighting on one side or help the coast which will eventually be sandwiched. Its funny how strong Turks can be when they work together.
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Post #373 (isolation #17) » Sat Mar 12, 2016 9:03 pm
Postby DeathNote »
Aww that's not true. I know what you mean but totally not true. In this game, people are picking based off proximity. I haven't seen anyone make an action because of someone they liked personally which is pretty cool imo.
As for what I plan on doing now... well nothing I guess? My plans revolve around my teammates and what others what to do. I haven't really figured out what Snakes is up to and ACV hasn't had a chance to weigh in on Klick's decision.
I still consider the North Sea valuable but Britain doesn't have the manpower to lunch any sort of assault on it's own. Thats why I was all for a Scandinavia/Russia alliance. On the plus side, GB will be fairly easy to defend if we work together so I won't have to stress about the North Coast coming after us. I still would love yours and Random's help but I can no longer say if thats the safest decision for you as we could be on the losing side. I only say this because Russia getting hit from all side will take them down really fast leaving Scandinavia very open.
This is all dependent on alliances staying firm and no one backstabbing.
I think the best move for us is to play defensively. It's easy to push off anyone that enters the North Sea and time is very much our greatest ally. Either the south and/or Germany alliance falls apart from backstabs or they fight each other once the inbetween countries are eliminated. They are super powers that are destined to clash before the northern islands need to worry about it. The downside is that we can't fight off whoever wins which is why I don't like this plan as much as becoming a superalliance ourselves.
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Post #374 (isolation #18) » Sat Mar 12, 2016 9:05 pm
Postby DeathNote »
Also Gale, if it helps I am fully willing to support you into the North Sea instead of ACR. The only reason I wanted ACR there instead of you was because there is more opportunity to support each other for an invasion there. If ACR is stuck back then he can't help out with any sort of invasion. I didn't know if what Klick said made you worry about that our not.
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Post #378 (isolation #20) » Sat Mar 12, 2016 9:11 pm
Postby DeathNote »
Yeah I think you should work with Cephrir and your friends south of you if you can. Like... having russia support you would be sweet but I don't think anything they support is going to matter at this rate.
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Post #380 (isolation #21) » Sat Mar 12, 2016 9:15 pm
Postby DeathNote »
@STD - I don't think you have committed to anything so I'm going to try just as hard as Germany to win your favor. You do have a fleet and are in an easy spot for me to support you in. I think its possible that we can even work with someone like Portugal who seems to be on the backfoot. Going into the english channel won't work so I don't advise that, regardless of what OGML says. It simply isn't possible for us to lose both the NS and ENG before year 1 ends given what units were produced.
In post 380, DeathNote wrote:Going into the english channel won't work so I don't advise that, regardless of what OGML says. It simply isn't possible for us to lose both the NS and ENG before year 1 ends given what units were produced.
Bel supports Bre into the channel, or vice versa, guaranteed success against your max one from Lon. Two of Nor/Den/Hol support the third into the North Sea, guaranteed success against your max of two from Lon and Edi.
Oh you are assuming that you have Norway on your side too.
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Post #391 (isolation #25) » Sat Mar 12, 2016 9:39 pm
Postby DeathNote »
So the only way Germany becomes a threat is if they target an enemy (Russia), unite everyone against that common enemy, protect their backdoor as they eliminate said enemy (France/Brest), and then reap the spoils of taking those supplies. Even then, Scandinavia needs to still be in a Pact with them otherwise they will have 5 nations north and however many south all collapsing on them. It really will depend on how long Scan. and France plan on staying friendly with them.
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Post #396 (isolation #26) » Sat Mar 12, 2016 10:13 pm
Postby DeathNote »
I don't speak for Britain but I know that I didn't seek other allies because I thought we had everything we needed. Scandinavia/Britain/Russia is a powerful force and whats better is that no one is above us meaning we just have a straight shoot down.
Denmark is part of Scandinavia right? I assumed we would have tried to take holland or something around there.
How does not making any deals with Germany make us more likely to attack Denmark as opposed to another country?
Am I right in assuming you won't help BEL/HOL take the North Sea?
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Post #407 (isolation #27) » Sun Mar 13, 2016 4:28 am
Postby DeathNote »
If that is klick's concern then it does not go away by siding with Germany. The focus just shifts from north south to east west leaving him on the flank for both wars.
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Post #410 (isolation #28) » Sun Mar 13, 2016 5:03 am
Postby DeathNote »
There is no reason to make that move when we have so much potential to protect and control the north sea. You are relying on a loose collection of countries to support you doing... what? Germany gain loads by not having to worry about their northern boarder but you are essentially doing the same thing we proposed but in reverse.
I don't see how you will even have the man power to continue that attack especially if you are being pressured from Russia and eventually Turks.
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Post #411 (isolation #29) » Sun Mar 13, 2016 5:07 am
Postby DeathNote »
Assuming you take the north sea and English channel, then what? You won't have support to take ACRV or myself and you will be required to keep forces behind the sea to support the fleets otherwise they will just get dislodged. There is just not enough resources for you to push on the U.K.
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Post #418 (isolation #31) » Sun Mar 13, 2016 6:03 am
Postby DeathNote »
You are making assumptions OGML but lucky for me you aren't actually involved in what happens in the seas. Ill take the coin flip every day of the week no problem.
Gale, random supports our original alliance while klick does not. I know you want to keep Scandinavia together so this decision might be hard for you. Just know that Britain is all for supporting you and do you really want to ally with someone who is already threatening your neighbor?
Your post reads: 'I want to ally with GB, but I'll follow what you do, Klick' which means you're not planning to ally with GB and you are on Klick's side, is this correct?
I know I'm not random but just want to point out that was before Germany threatened him.
Do you need this answer before you answer my questions?
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Post #458 (isolation #36) » Sun Mar 13, 2016 10:10 am
Postby DeathNote »
You answered most of what i asked so let's move on.
I am actually ok with you moving into the English channel if we can maintain good terms. Yes the numbers are against us both that includes countries that have no costal presence. We are not really that outnumbered assuming Gale isn't against us.
Short answer: move into the English channel but only if you are doing so with the intention of helping next round.
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Post #475 (isolation #39) » Sun Mar 13, 2016 11:10 am
Postby DeathNote »
Next round will be interesting because that's when people actually figure out who is aligned where. There are a few assumptions being made which i predict will hurt several countries next round.
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Post #527 (isolation #46) » Sun Mar 13, 2016 3:24 pm
Postby DeathNote »
I have yet to lie to anyone. In fact, i have been be honest with who i support and what my intentions are. The low countries however, have said anything they can to gather support including discrediting other nations when there has literally been no actions worth indicating intentions.
So just keep digging while people like Zulify and random recognize your shady talk.
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Post #588 (isolation #50) » Sun Mar 13, 2016 8:46 pm
Postby DeathNote »
Ok so, SXSW Sucks ass and is draining my soul. I am home but about to pass out. I'll probably still phone post tomorrow but here is my thought process so far.
Spoiler: My rant
@Snakes -
Since the North Sea is still open, you being there isn't as important but that doesn't mean that the North Sea will stay open. I think we may need you to stay put. The alternative would be take English Channel but I see no reason to do that if Brest is friendly.
Things I need to know:
Brest
, you are in an interesting position and GB can't really move anywhere without moving around or through you. I wanted you to take the English Channel because I was hoping we could be reasonable this round if things went badly. As it stands, things didn't go badly but that doesn't mean I don't want to still be reasonable with you. In a perfect world, I would ask you to take the North Sea and for my allies to support you doing so. Then Snakes could follow up by taking the English Channel and giving us a reasonable presence to either defend or attack. I know this is unrealistic as that puts you far away from home with no way to protect yourself.
You have two alternatives as I see it, unless you consider retreating back to Brest an option.
1.) You stay where you are. I would only be ok with this if you maintained that you are at
minimum
neutral to the coastal conflict. You could also aid GB in taking Belgium in which case I would gladly let you take the supply depot and support you from the sea.
2.) You move into PIC so that you can still stay near your home base yet also have the potential to support either side of the coastal conflict. I'm pretty indifferent on this option.
After this is figured out then I need to know how the Norwegian countries plan on acting. Are they committing to anyone other then "what klick says" or is there an actual alliance play somewhere? Gale supported us this one time but I don't know if I can rely on that again. Klick seems to have his mind set and Random is following Klick. If Klick going into the North Sea makes Gale happy and maintains a peace there, then I am cool with that. I know Klick will probably see it as an aggressive move towards taking British soil but that simply won't happen without more fleets to support him. Essentially I just want to find a way to keep an alliance with our neighbors despite Klick's determinism.
Lastly, I need to plan out where my fleet should support. As of now, I think GB should work together to support someone into the North Sea again depending on responses to my first two points. If STD is with us, then we can easily try to push ACRV into the North Sea again. My target is still Belgium and Holland as they seem the most logical invasion point. Whoever does side with us will even get the glory of taking the supply unless you somehow think thats not beneficial to you. My greatest worry is that my offers will come off as me luring allies away from their base which is not what I am concerned about. Its a lose lose in the sense that if someone from GB takes it, we get seen as a threat but if we let STD or Gale extend out and take it, then we are just planning to backstab them.
Tell me what I can do to help alleviate these worries.
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Post #589 (isolation #51) » Sun Mar 13, 2016 8:48 pm
Postby DeathNote »
I also wish there was some way to help Portugal. We are close enough to work together but the people inbetween us are mutual allies so there is no real target for us to go for.
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Post #590 (isolation #52) » Sun Mar 13, 2016 8:51 pm
Postby DeathNote »
I notice that ACR has offered to withdraw our support of Russia. If this convinces Klick to at least stop stressing about us, then I will make that claim too. It's not like I can do much for Russia anyways other then distract. Even that is proving difficult at this point.
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Post #711 (isolation #56) » Mon Mar 14, 2016 12:12 pm
Postby DeathNote »
I think it's time for Britannia to revaluate it's alliances. I am all for being friends with Scandinavia but so long as Klick is against us, that won't happen. I think we can be friends with Sweeden but that doesn't actually help us similar to a Russian alliance. With Portugal's plea for help, that might be a golden opportunity for us all.
Suggestion:
Alliance between France/Britain/Portugal for a total of six countries.
The Brits will be on the defensive so long as we don't have outside support but if we do ally, then we can give great support to the inland countries. We won't be gaining territory but we will at least be protected and that is all I need. I was hoping to ally with STD anyways which is why I welcomed him into English Channel hoping to build up some trust.
@Loki/Portugal - I will gladly help you but in order to do that, you need to just stay in the game. I don't know if Ani is actually aggressive to you yet but he certainly seems to think you are someone he can just take over at any point if he needs to. If you actually want our help, then you will need to attack Spain. The reasoning is because Tunis is just south of you giving you a potential 2v1 if they work together. Attacking Spain prevents him from supporting Tunis into MAO and if he happens to take Portugal, then that just gives you Spain for a quick swap so neither player loses anything. If you try to go back into Portugal, then Spain can support Tunis into MAO and threaten to overtake you next adjucation or he could bounce you out and wait for Tunis to move into West.Med. Attacking Spain gives you the least amount of risk and guarantees you can't be taken before winter.
@Defender/Paris - Assuming you accept this new alliance proposal, then you are the only ground force between the six of us. Your force is key in locking the low countries away from France and potentially putting pressure on spain. Moving into GAS would be awesome but you can't realistically get away with that thanks to Kiel marching west. I think your best move is to bump at BUR so you can stall for STD.
@STD/Brest - You are the only one who can put pressure on the coast so that we can focus on helping portugal. Moving into PIC seems like the strongest play by far. You can then pressure Belguim and get support from the English Channel if Snakes moves there. This creates a Psudo Wall between the coastal countries up to Scandinavia if they keep up pressure.
@Snakes/Liverpool - Following up behind STD gets you into the game so that seems like a no brainer. You can either support STD next turn or support a counter attack into the North Sea once the low countries take it.
@ACRV/EDI - I think.... bouncing Norway in the Norwegian sea is best? We can't stop them from taking the North Sea but we want them to have to commit support so they can't counter our other moves. I think you need to play your move by ear depending on what the low countries do.
I can't do shit lol.... I will move to the north Sea I suppose? That gives ACRV/STD the option to support me if we need to change moves on the fly.
This will be a game of reaction as everything is public knowledge but I think we have the numbers with this new alliance to win the long game. I hope you guys are cool with teaming up!!!
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Post #715 (isolation #57) » Mon Mar 14, 2016 12:15 pm
Postby DeathNote »
@Defender - You also have the option to support STD into PIC because that move is pretty important. Just use your best judgement and lets keep those options open.