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I suggest me, because I know I can trust me. I suggest you because you can trust you, and since you are the key deciding factor, we must either trust you, or throw whatever plan you come up with out. I suggested KageLord because he volunteered. Don't really have any reason one way or another there, though.-
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Relevant. Thoughts?Fishythefish wrote:Thoughts:
1 is the wrong number of scum to have on the plans. It means they get to do what they like without worrying about what their friends might do. 0 is obviously the best number of scum there, but 2 or 3 aren't bad either.
Unless we get good reads off players, which people agree on, the plans should for now be assigned by random selection. Here's why:
If Drench is scum, he'll do what's worst for the town - put exactly one scum on the plans. If he isn't, he'll basically just be choosing at random, except probably put himself on. Assuming that, our odds of having exactly one scum on the plan are 73.3%. On the other hand, if we go randomly, the chances are exactly 50%.-
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Oh, true. I'll try to limit anything like that in the future. Anyways, I wonder how much merit is in this argument. It is very centered around playing this game by the odds. I'd rather spend it gathering evidence on who to trust or distrust, personally. It's not a bad plan by any means.
I think... I like my plan more because we can gather information from more sources this way. From how Me=Weird and others respond to my reasoning, from how the votes for the plan go, and then from how it turns out. With this other plan, it seems to stress a completely random choosing, which limits information received from it.
What do others think about it?-
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I'd be okay with either SSBF or animo's plan. Upon more thought (and with his further explaining it, thank you ani) I think he has a decent idea.
I admit that now that I'm not the one proposing a plan, I end up feeling a bit distrustful to SSBF's plan, which helps me realize how he felt to mine (in which I even added myself). So while I worry that he's placed scum in it, I have to admit that it's no worse than my plan. Probably.
However, Me=Weird shouldn't finalize his proposal until everyone has spoken up. We have too many lurkers right now.-
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We've also only gotten one post from Zang, which was nothing more than agreeing with one of my posts.
I'd be fine if Me=Weird would make his proposal now. At the very least, I'd like an idea which he supports.
@SSBF: You said animo's plan is "solid". If that's so, why have you submitted your own list? It doesn't conform to ani's "random dice roll" suggestion. Which do you prefer (yours or his)?-
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Super Smash Bros. Fan wrote:animorpherv1:ISO: 4 is a solid idea that can help us.animorpherv1 ISO #4 wrote:Only for Base 1. It would keep people from going "Oh, I'm not getting picked today, so I don't need to post" but also finds the Empire at the same time.
Or alternativley, choose mostly people who don't post. That way, there is more discussion, and a better chance of being able to root out Empire.
There's some serious flip-flopping going on here. The best I can figure out, is that you think he's townish for saying people need to post more, because everything else in that post (the one you said was so 'solid') you are now saying is a bad idea.Super Smash Bros. Fan wrote:About animorpherv1's "random dice roll" suggestion,I want to be able to get some serious discussion done and choose someone who could be the best potential leader.I'm not a fan of it.
Also,his idea for choosing people who are inactive is aAll we'll get is an inactive person who probably really won't do anything in the game.really bad idea.
More in a bit, once I read your new plan.-
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Okay, so your new plan is little more than getting inactives posting again, so whatever.
My thoughts on SSBF's plan:
While overall I can't find any major quibbles with his three nominations (M=W was one of my suggestions, after all; KageLord does seem townish, and his ISO 3 was pretty good, even if his ISO 2 was meh; and ani doesn't seem much one way or the other) I'm starting to get a scummy feeling from SSBF himself. The nominations reasoning seems weak and patched together and he is recently taking back what he said earlier about animo. When we take away everything that he's now come out to say that he disagrees with, we're left with a nomination based on the idea that he's played mafia several times now. On a mafia site. I'm really worried that one of his nominations are Empire (not to mention SSBF himself).
So... I'm going to come out against this plan. My vote, in advance is NO.-
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I'm going to have to take time to examine everybody's contributions before I can make any suggestions as to a list.
I admit my original plan amounted to gathering as much clean info as possible. I threw together a quick nomination plan, placing myself in it (because then I only need to sort two other people into town/scum, placing M=W into it, based on the fact that him being the leader, I can glean more information based on how the plan goes through, etc, and Kage because I needed a third. Basically, for the first nominations, we end up in a sort of RVS. I was hoping to get to the voting stage and analyze how it was going, and then vote NO if anything seemed off. However, with votes by PM, and only 48 hours in total, we have much less of a chance to catch a bad wagon and stop it.
So, regardless of the fact that it's mostly been disagreed with anyways, I'd like to officially rescind my original nominations. The plan I had probably won't work, and thus it'd be a risk to town. I do still like animo's first idea of making the final proposal based on a roll of the die, but holding it off as long as we can to discuss and smoke out the scum. Unless I or someone else comes up with a solid list of 3 candidates, that is.-
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Man, pay attention!
1 - Where the heck have you been lately. Report in, and discuss shit, please.
2 - If you had, you might know that YOU DIDN'T RECEIVE A PLAN. Therefore, you don't send in a PM.
3 - You had a choice between the two? It seems to me that only scum have a choice, as townies have only one option, and it's made for them automatically. So, you're saying that you're scum, then?-
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Given a complete lack of conversation beforehand, does anyone have any objections?
I'm going to run up a prod-list of everyone that hasn't posted more than once since last vote.
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I can't see this passing so damn easily unless there's scum on the current plan (either hiding out from last base, or is ooba) or all the scum is inactive.-
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DarkStalker is an ani alt, apparently. (Ah, alliterations!)
I'm changing my vote because of a perceived connection between a not-so townish ani and ooba. Possibly ani is Empire, and he's pretending not to like ooba (busbusbus), and now he's placing him on the list (after trying to nominate himself, but that didn't work). I'm guessing ani and ooba are Empire. Not certain, obviously, but there's enough suspicion that I don't want this going through yet. We have plenty of time to pause this and sort it out.
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He gave off a townish vibe. He made his point, and explained why he thought so. It's only the possible connection with ani, and a scum dynamic between them that makes me suspect him. Once again, this is by no means certain, but I think it's enough to delay the vote just long enough to talk it over.
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Errr, I almost bypassed the question there. Sorry. Anyways, I chose to add him to the proposal because ani seemed against it for vague-ass reasons, ooba is pretty townish (for reasons explained in the last post), and because we're quite low on reads on players. He seemed the best out of who I had to pick from. I still would be fine with him on a proposal if we can sort this out, or w/e. I'm just worried that he's being "helpful scum" and ani is sneaking him on the plan now.
Possible flaw in my logic: ani was the one to point out that ooba voted against the last plan. I just renoticed this as I was about to add it to evidence that ooba is scum, so yeeeaaahh...-
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We can still talk it out a bit. I actually like this plan, so I'm voting yes. Kage's nomming right away makes sense when you consider the deadline reminder just before. Furthermore, there was a lot of agreement over keeping the three from last base. Add to that brianj's point on chenhsi, my agreement, and I would have to guess Kage's, and it's enough for him to nom it, I'd think.
But maybe I'm just rationalizing a plan I like. Please make your case if you disagree with me.-
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