Attempts at misinformation!dahill1 wrote:oops sorry you're rightBattle Mage wrote:yeh, and i stand by that comment. But i DIDNT say that they offed the two biggest threats to the game. I said they offed 2 of the most annoying people on the roster.dahill1 wrote:i dont think it was selective quoting..
you pretty much said outright the scum are awesome
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Eh, on the second page, with mostly random voting, I assure you, I have a real sense of ease right now.Primate wrote:Word of advice, don't joke when asked direct questions. Makes it look like you're feigning a sense of ease.
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TA? I was only offering a little lighter banter to the barrage on your signing. Jeeze.Battle Mage wrote:
Have you registered for TA yet?Surye wrote:My only issue with BM's signing is that BM just sounds like a polite way of saying bowel movement. It's like he ends every post taking a crap.
I wasnt told that Mith lifted the age restriction rule...
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Because, you're acting so matter of fact, and expecting others to follow.Primate wrote:
How are they disturbing?Surye wrote:Also,IGMEOYPrimate, your vague claimish actions are a little disturbing at this point, and your incessant rallying has had no supportive information yet.
In fact.Unvote Vote: Primateas my first vote was mostly page1 voting.
"What makes you think it's blind?" "And you should really trust me regarding Superfly"
Go ahead and claim cop, you've practically done it already. But I don't think that's a good idea, and I don't think you have any specific information. Your bluff could mean a few things, but trying scum hunting an enemy faction is a good possibility, and when and if he turns up scum, you look innocent. That I find disturbing, as your actions insofar are quite suspicious.-
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Because I wouldn't trust that to an amature, he may think he figured something out, but he could be wrong.GhostWriter wrote:Why should he claim cop in a game where we have a 4th action that can, possibly, be to check the innocence of a player.Vote: Superfly. Why the hell not join the bandwagon.
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I urge caution to anyone whom Primate's arrogance is attempting to goad into making a mistake in anger and frustration. Then again, I am the only one who seems to notice his casual arrogance. Sure, he may know something, and he may be right about Superfly, but man is his attitude off-putting and quite frankly offensive to me (purely in a mafia-centric way, nothing personal )-
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This has the unfortunate metagame effects of thinking "Who knows these two well enough to think they are a threat, and have expressed this is the past". But I'm pretty new here, so I have no such thoughts.skitzer wrote:
This is true. Mainly, first night kills have to be based on histories. The mafia want to get out the most experienced players so that the town is less resourceful.GhostWriter, Post 109 wrote:That post of mine was nothing more than me commenting on how the random votes in the random voting stage, and the remarks on the two people killed were mainly induced (or appeared to me as such) by history between players. Thus, because I had no vote on me at that present time, I made a joking comment about how no one knows me, which isn't true, because I've played/am playing with at least 5 people in this game that are still alive elsewhere on the site. But look at it as you please.-
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Well, I think that how long it took to get this thread up is part of the problem, maybe he never sent in a night action and he got a random ???? action, and he's actually not been around.
That said, a Superfly lynch may not be bad at all, and if he doesn't post by 2:00PM PST today, I actually may throw a vote on him. I think the most valuable thing about a Superfly lynch is it would make Primate accountable for his words, though I wish he would use more words. But if Superfly turns out to be town, that would be such a terrible scum play by Primate, that I don't think it's that simple, he has not been subtle at all about this crusade.
So scum or town, I think he has some information that he can use, or a plan to forge information. I don't think he is a cop, so that means unless it's a simple scum trying to lynch a town or rival mafia, or he used his ????? action. I really wish he would explain what he did/saw, as if it is any more convincing than "Trust me", he should have nothing to worry about, as Superfly will go down and not be able to retaliate.
All I want to do is establish some pre-lynch information that a lynch will help to enlighten us, and not just needlessly risk a townie. Once we set that up, a lynch would be town benificial as far as I see, and Superfly is as good as anyone at this point.-
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And this still bugs the hell out of me. Why such blatant anti-town sentiment? And of not anti-town, down right insulting.Primate wrote:
Well duh, if you guys start trying to have input you just distract the rest of players from lynching who I tell them to.Surye wrote:
Agreed, I've been trying to provide some real signal. Other then Primate, no one seems to have any input on any scum hunting discussion.NabakovNabakov wrote:Post signing argument sounds distancy and blows signal-noise ratio to hell.-
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Your logic is flawed. I am open to a Superfly lynch, but not FOR a Superfly lynch without sufficient information. Since everyone is focused on Superfly, information on him is therefore the most useful at the moment, either to solidify him into a real lynch candidate, or if there is insufficient information, that I was right, and Primate is acting suspicious.NabakovNabakov wrote:
Surye isn't contesting Primate at all. He was completely open to a superfly lynch, but only after we had gathered sufficient information.Panzerjager wrote:
He is the one person actually fighting Primate's "superiority". Primate is definently the best player here(except for me of course), but that doesn't mean he is the key to winning. I don't see how saying: " Hey guys, we need more information then 'Superfly is bad'" is treating information like a quota? Is wanting some treating it like a quota.NabakovNabakov wrote:Not liking Surye's play at all. His ideas of helping the town feel very mechanical, treating information like a quota.Unvote: Vote SuryeFoS:Nabakov
And here's what bugs me about that thinking. We need information before lynches tofigure out who to lynch. Information is a tool. The way Suyre is framing it, we just need to have a certain amount of information before we lynch somebody, but the decision would (presumably) not change. He claims information is necessary but he shows no signs of actually wanting to use it. Scummy.
I do not see how wanting information before lynching someone is bad, especially when I'm asking where there is zero information. My point in saying I'm open to a Superfly lynch, given enough negative information, is simply to point out we have no POSITIVE information, so I am not defending Superfly, but attacking Primate's approach.-
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NabakovNabakov wrote:Surye isn't contesting Primate at all.Surye wrote:And this still bugs the hell out of me. Why such blatant anti-town sentiment? And of not anti-town, down right insulting.Surye wrote:Not to mention NOT wanting input and information and discussion is such anti-town behavior I'm amazing no one else seems to care.Surye wrote:I urge caution to anyone whom Primate's arrogance is attempting to goad into making a mistake in anger and frustration. Then again, I am the only one who seems to notice his casual arrogance. Sure, he may know something, and he may be right about Superfly, but man is his attitude off-putting and quite frankly offensive to me (purely in a mafia-centric way, nothing personal )
Heh, what? We playing the same game?Surye wrote:Also,IGMEOYPrimate, your vague claimish actions are a little disturbing at this point, and your incessant rallying has had no supportive information yet.
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Ah, I was looking over my statements, and I was thinking this was the one in question. The part that I left implied is: Once we set [some pre-lynch information] upNabakovNabakov wrote:
This is advocating an near-arbitrary lynch after we've filled our information quota. You leave no room for the information we gather to clear Superfly. It has nothing to do with solidification and everything to do with justification.Surye wrote: Once we set [some pre-lynch information] up, a lynch would be town benificial as far as I see, and Superfly is as good as anyone at this point.that incriminates, a lynch would be town benificial as far as I see, and Superfly is as good as anyone at this pointto try to build that case against. I didn't think you would assume any information should lead to a lynch, but some scum pointing information.
I will not leave as much to assumption next time, I apologize.
I'm not up for a lynch in "any way, shape, or form", only that I couldn't DECIDE to lynch him withoutGhostWriter wrote: You've also stated that you would strongly consider voting him after he talked, or if he took too long to not respond. If you are for the lynch, in any way, shape, or form, then you aren't exactly contesting it, now are you? Because that would be an oxymoron. Like saying something is cold as hell, or boring as fuck, or dumb as GW...someincriminating evidence, which is what Primate is asking for. And if he took too long... I just really don't like or trust lurkers. But you need to stop putting words into my mouth, if I didn't say "any way, shape, or form", don't act like I did without a quote of where I implied that, and same goes for the wording on "strongly consider voting him after he talked".-
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No, every post has been trying to defend my suspicious of Primate from a small group who want to support his campaign of blind following.Battle Mage wrote:
Every post he makes STINKS of scum trying too hard to look like they are contributing and scumhunting.Cyberbob wrote:Could you explain why you think Surye deserves a confirmed vote in a bit more detail?
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You keep saying this, but it's wrong. I said that I would be willing to vote on someone with sufficient evidence on him, and refuse to blindly get on a wagon. Primate seems to have something he is withholding, which is fine, but I don't see why people take that for truth before he says anything of substance.NabakovNabakov wrote:
I happen to think the Superfly wagon is quite silly, but that doesn't make my think you're any less scummy. In fact, I jumped on you only after you showed a willingness to join it. The problem there, however, wasn't that you were considering a stupid wagon, it was that you were being a hypocrite by doing so.Surye wrote:
No, every post has been trying to defend my suspicious of Primate from a small group who want to support his campaign of blind following.Battle Mage wrote:
Every post he makes STINKS of scum trying too hard to look like they are contributing and scumhunting.Cyberbob wrote:Could you explain why you think Surye deserves a confirmed vote in a bit more detail?
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The timelimit vote was for lurking, but I realized 72 hours hadn't passed, and no one had even asked for a prod, so I decided not to. I admit, when I said that it was out of frustration that his absence is effecting the game.NabakovNabakov wrote:
Timelimits on votes are incredibly scummy, they dampen responsibility. Now, you didn't vote by your deadline, but I'm guessiong that's only because you got chewed out on it.Surye wrote: That said, a Superfly lynch may not be bad at all, and if he doesn't post by 2:00PM PST today, I actually may throw a vote on him.-
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Well, since Primate either made a joke about his motivations, or he has simply admitted to starting an information gathering wagon with nothing but a superficial reason, I guess back to the drawing board?
Superfly didn't seem to offer the great insight so many were expecting.
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Well, I am not 100% that it's the right course of action, but Superfly is admittedly a lurker, has no real pro-town qualities, we have SOMETHING against him, coming from Primate and BM, and even if Superfly turns out town, then if primate sticks to his guns, he'll have to explain himself then.
I think a lynch may not be a bad thing, and I think the most valuable one right now is Superfly.
This may seem not in line with what I have been saying entirely, but I have been listening to everyone's points, and I'm thinking at this point this may be right.
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Still, it is no good for the game, especially no good for town. He even said this is habitual.armlx wrote:
If you check his posts across all games its evident he simply went AFK for a week. That is not lurking.Celebloki wrote:Well I was originally hoping Primate had some dirt on him other than his name. However, he is admittedly a lurker and has been away so My vote will stand purely on his non-participation.-
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Hmm.. well I certainly seemed to make a mistake here, but honestly you are all misunderstanding my first opinion which I have tried to make clear was NOT pro-Superfly AT ALL, but anti-Primate.
My understanding of a lurker must be skewed, since he posted to this site on Thursday, clearly not AFK, but still ignored the proceedings of this game. I didn't not want to join the wagon too early as I was hoping to get more information out of Primate, but since that lead dried up, I thought the next best course of action was to go after someone I honestly thought constituted a lurker.
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I'm not sure what fishing is, but who am I distancing myself from? Primate? I would still have my vote on him because I thought his actions warranted sufficient suspicion, and that has not changed, but I realized that Superfly's lurking may be more indicative of bad behavior (Note: I realize everyone is now saying he's not a lurker, he's an AFKer, but I am explaining what before lead me to those conclusions, after I saw he posted thursday to another thread but not this one).Cyberbob wrote:
Your stance on the wagon was not scummy by itself (in my mind), but when the entirety of your play is taken into consideration... it starts looking more and more like fishing and/or distancing.Surye wrote:Hmm.. well I certainly seemed to make a mistake here, but honestly you are all misunderstanding my first opinion which I have tried to make clear was NOT pro-Superfly AT ALL, but anti-Primate.
Tunnel vision may have been incidental with the fact that the wagon brought it to my attention, this has been a mistake, but I don't think that should reflect on me as scummy. Everyone has been talking nothing but Superfly and Primate, it hasn't been just me.Cyberbob wrote:
Except as Panzerjager said - he and Sensfan have both been every bit as inactive as Superfly. Why the tunnel vision?Surye wrote:My understanding of a lurker must be skewed, since he posted to this site on Thursday, clearly not AFK, but still ignored the proceedings of this game. I didn't not want to join the wagon too early as I was hoping to get more information out of Primate, but since that lead dried up, I thought the next best course of action was to go after someone I honestly thought constituted a lurker.
Also - why did the decision to make inactivity an issue come only after the initial driving force behind the wagon had gone?
It is NOT a complete reversal, how many times do I have to say this. I was, then entire time, not AGAINST a Superfly vote. I was even called out many times on my wording saying I was for a Superfly vote, even if that's not necessarily what I meant.Cyberbob wrote:
You can, but aSurye wrote:And while this is not 100% my first platform from the beginning of the game, can I not take weight of what others are saying and change my opinion in light of other ideas?complete reversalis extremely scummy.
I am not pro fly, I never ever said I was pro fly. And how is anti Prim = pro Fly? Are you sure one is scum and one isn't?armlx wrote:I do not like Surye's last post at all. Tries to defend himself by disassociating himself from Fly, but just says the same thing (anti Prim = pro Fly). The word platform also rings wrong.-
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*sigh* I really don't want to yet, as I don't think it will be beneficial for town. All I will say now is that I do have useful information. Though much more votes and my hand will be forced. All I ask is that you review what it is you're voting on me about. Everyone says I did a 180 where I did not, I have tried to outline why it is not a complete reversal, but no one seems to get what I am saying. The premise on these votes are faulty, and I hope a few of you realize that soon.armlx wrote:I expect a claim or something decently soon.-
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Yea, at 8 votes now, and everyone seems to suspect me, but I'm hoping for a bit of reason. If I get down to L-2, I'll claim and post info that my death will reveal as very useful, but I do hope is doesn't come that close.
And ABR, that feels awfully like a trap to me, I don't think it has to be that black and white when I'm only at L-4.-
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Make that 9... Well, I guess this is close enough, since I have to go to work and won't be able to check it for an hour or two.
I'm the Mayor, and here's what has been reported to me from night 0. CyberBob was found to have things in his house suggesting an aggressive nature. Same with ABR, found with quite a gun collection. NabakovNabakov and GhostWriter were hanging out at Nab's house doing something illegal online, though apparently what exactly was unsure.
Also Flameaxe was investigated, you can guess what that turned up.
Also, these investigations are not alignment revealing, so I fear that lynches may not be either, but I have given you all the info I have, other then the names of the cops. The cops should be able to confirm my information, and I hope I have at least their trust, though I suspect there is corruption among their ranks.
If you do not trust this, and lynch me, I hope the mod reveals I was the mayor. If you do trust me, I now ask the assistance of a cop, who I believe I can contact once I have claimed publicly, to protect me come night 1.
I still feel like ABR has tried to lure me into this, and coupled with the investigation, I would be highly suspicious of him. But I am feeling like my words have accidentally cornered me, and I can't stop this snowball of misplaced suspicion behind me.-
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Wait... okay guys, this is probably going to get me killed, but I am sorry, I miss read my night 0 pm. The gun collection does NOT belong to ABR, but BM. I repeat, the guns found were at BattleMage's house. Or at least as it was reported to me, like I said, there may be corruption feeding me bad info. I still find ABR to be scummy for forcing the claim out of me, but I am no longer as sure as I was.
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Not weapons perse, all I know is that he had belongings suggesting an aggressive behavior. Honestly I have no idea what this could possibly mean (whips and bondage? ). But I agree it is suspicious.Celebloki wrote:
Sorry I misread some things back when I was skimming. I don't know what to feel about cyberbob. It is suspicious that he has weapons but so far in mu opinion he has stayed pretty neutral in his accusations until he started to attack Surye. alsoBattle Mage wrote: What about my recent posts is suspicious?FOS: Cyberbob
For BM to have all those guns, he really has to be a vig or scum I think. I'm not sure which though, I'm going to have to avoid blindOMGUSand re-read the thread
Yea, I'm not impressed either. Anyways, how does this changed information make more sense? Since you have already stated how stupid I am, I'll spell this out so I am sure. I'm guessing this is a vig claim when combined with:Battle Mage wrote:
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Sorry for the confusion, I hope admitting and clearing it up so soon will show good faith that it was a real mistake.
I'm not impressed, but at least you're making slightly more sense. My vote stands.
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Admittedly I don't know BM well, but the claiming he has done seems to be his way to solid claiming. Especially in post 292 where he gave a solid "Yes".Celebloki wrote:
My read off that is if BM is the vig, when he saw that the investigation lead to ABR (Surye's Typo) and the people started to assume vig, BM found it as an opportunity to jump in and agree hoping that he would be safe from assumption of being the vig to detract from mafia attention. And I also believe thats why he won't solid claim it yet.NabakovNabakov wrote: If BM is indeed a Vig and information comes out that ABR has a truckload of guns, why does BM-Vig immediately assume ABR is a Vig? I'd like a solid claim out of BM.-
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Surye Mafia Scum
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Surye Mafia Scum
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Surye Mafia Scum
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If Cyberbob ends up to be SK or Scum, I ask the cop who investigated him to gaurd my house tonight, and treatANYONEapproaching as a lethal threat.
Everyone else: Stay the hell away! No one, for any reason, come to my house. Since the jig is up for me, first thing in the morning I will reveal all the investigations.
If they don't agree... well, there's no safe way for you to tell me, so please agree-
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Surye Mafia Scum
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Surye Mafia Scum
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Surye Mafia Scum
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- Posts: 2330
- Joined: December 23, 2007
- Location: San Diego, CA