Night Clan - [Game Over]

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Hello everyone!

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Also action dan is town

Agreed with this.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Hmm...
The issue is that scum knowing the dauthers is less of a problem than knowing who they'll hide behind, Kagami's method makes it easy to know if they hid behind scum or not, but also makes it easy for scum to coinflip predict who they'll hide behind so long as they know their identity, say im scum and my kill fails what am i supposed to think?, everything has it's pros and cons.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

That being said, i cant think of a better plan either so... I guess Kagami's plan it is.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Ah, I just realized they're hiders, not commuters.

It may be a bad idea to realize these things in public.

Just saying

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Yeah I found that weird too and went to check if the number of scum was public.
VOTE: LLD

[Kaede Akamatsu]

scum wouldn't have 3 people anyway

What gives you that idea.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I don't care about the vote

[Kaede Akamatsu]

You had to actively choose to crop the vote out of that post, why?

Oh and about this, i usually just highlight the part of the post that im asking about and hit quote.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

scum wouldn't have 3 people anyway

What gives you that idea.

because there are 17 players and 3 of them are masons

I'd think that a normal scum ammount would be kind of unfair since scum have 2

OR

wincons

did cabd post snipe you?

Not exactly post sniping more of, he noticed the thing i noticed while i was looking up the OP coz i didnt remember the ammount of scum being public as I tend to forget things.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

If I don't care about a random player i got no read on voting me, what makes you think im going to care about scum voting me.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

took you two minutes to find the OP and you didn't even get sniped?

Post 1 6:55:00 pm
Post 2 6:57:45 pm
Actually 2 mins, 45 seconds so almost 3 minutes, point being?

I fail to see how you make the connection from random player to scum

And I fail to see the point of this statement?
The point of my post should be obvious.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Cabd wouldnt be someone i'd associate the word "useless" with.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Oh the good old "i threw a bait" right?

This person is scum, ftr

Nope.

This comment helps nothing and only inflames further

Nope.
That comment discredits your discredit of Cabd's scumhunting.

Was wondering if they'd take the bait.

That isnt a bait LUL

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Like, if your goal is to make me angry and interact with me, congrats, you've made me angry, except you've also killed all my motivation to give a fuck about this game.

This is disingenous because apparently "you caught scum me" due to this.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

How'd you get from going to "why would i care about a random vote" to "why would i care about scum voting me", the latter not even making sense, cause I guarantee you that if you thought scum was ever voting you, you'd be vocal about it. So what's the deal?

I'm p.sure im being very vocal about LLD being scum, point being?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Like hey, if you're town why are you yelling at Cabd about how useless he is instead of just being town and telling him to vote me if to you im scum, but instead you just throw this AtE of you getting mad and not giving a fuck about the game, sounds more like caught scum to me.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

*if you think

[Kaede Akamatsu]

How'd you get from going to "why would i care about a random vote" to "why would i care about scum voting me", the latter not even making sense, cause I guarantee you that if you thought scum was ever voting you, you'd be vocal about it. So what's the deal?

I'm p.sure im being very vocal about LLD being scum, point being?

point being you have a pretty dubious thought progressions that lead to hypocritical statements

????
So you think that i dont think LLD is scum yet voted her anyway and so im saying that i dont care about LLD's vote because she's scum voting me, while i obviously think she's scum otherwise i wouldn't be voting her nor engaging with her?

So, you agree to a one v. one then Kaede?

If that's what you want... bring it!

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I don't get how me suspecting you makes this game a slog, though? I'm just one person and as you said, a useless one at that!

^
So much this!

[Kaede Akamatsu]

A player I consider to be competent as a general rule

Werent you saying earlier that he was useless?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

ok try again

Yeah
sounds like you dont know how to read

[Kaede Akamatsu]

ok, so I said "if scum were voting you, you would do something about it"
and then you said "I'm doing something about LLD, who voted me"
but you didn't do anything about my vote, and when you didn't you said it was because "why would I care about a scum vote"
but we've just established that you do care about a scum vote

I dont care about scum!LLD voting me, i do care about getting scum!LLD lynched
I dont scumread you, nor townread you (tbh i dont think i can even read you), nor I care about your vote on me.
Where are you getting this idea that I'm scumreading you.

But since you can't context, LLD asked me if I cared about her vote on me, so i'll put this into perspective for you:

If I don't care about a random player (Nos) i got no read on voting me, what makes you think im going to care about scum (LLD) voting me.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Kaede, do you genuinely think LLD is scum?

Yes.
Not from the supposed scum slip that may or may not be true, and more from all the engagement afterwards, seems more like scum scumpainting me than town scumhunting. And all the discredit on Cabd that i don't even...

[Kaede Akamatsu]

see you could have said this literally 40 mins ago dude

Because i thought it was obvious...
Why would you think the "scum voting me" comment was referring to you when literally LLD was the one who asked if I cared about her vote!

[Kaede Akamatsu]

You're misunderstanding her playstyle & personality for scumposting. This is her townposting all the fucking way to the ballpark and back. Scum LLD is shiftier than this.

You sure? last few times I played with her and she was town she kinda sat a bit in the back and connocted a plan to catch scum at the end, it's the first time i see her bringing the "i threw bait" card from the get go, so im kinda skeptical.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Eh fine, i guess.
UNVOTE:

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Also I've not bothered to track down which alt is which so no idea who you are till I get to a PC and check if your public

Pretty sure you know who I am by now, and if not, I outed myself in PMyLo 3 anyway.
Also this is my new main.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

3a) Did someone target them? If they didn't die, they're not a hider
3b) Did someone target their nightkill? If they didn;t die, they're not a hider.

I thought everyone except the daughters is a double voter for a specific pregame day?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Why

If she's scum, it doesnt matter if she's town, scum now knows someone that isn't a daughter.
Didn't really wanna say that I thought it'd be obvious, but eh, scum probably realized the same thing I did.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Why

If she's scum, it doesnt matter if she's town, scum now knows someone that isn't a daughter.
Didn't really wanna say that I thought it'd be obvious, but eh, scum probably realized the same thing I did.

So, you are telling me that its a bad idea the out publicly that you didnt know the hiding mechanics thoroughly because it could tip off mefias that hes soft claiming blue, correct?

Because if you're a daughter you'd know you're a hider and not a commuter, seems like something obvious but i guess it wasnt maybe I shouldn't have said anything.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

You know, i actually didnt think about it when i posted the image, im not a foresight type of person when I post things.
As far as RPing goes, all my RPing is in images i put in my posts, everything else is just my normal posting that I used to do on my old main.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I thought that was red and not ash.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

VOTE: Vax
Got nothing better to do with my vote so sure.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

VOTE: Vax
Got nothing better to do with my vote so sure.

Can you walk me thought your LLDD early on push/fos in a few sentences and what happened to that read since then?

I have content on your slot that points both ways so i need that little extra help

Red changed my mind.
Anything else is as I said, unless you need me to elaborate on something.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

So you mean I was right on LLD and I shouldn't have listened to Red who seemed to want to dismantle a potential TvT?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

?
I didnt think that post was rude, and was more of a, the way you went about it makes zero sense for someone town, and he's pretty much saying that your opinions are kinda fencesitty? i dont see how you get that mad about it.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Dunno, I found Red coming to try to dismantle a potential TvT townie.
Kagami looks town to me.
Not liking Nos atm, Vax was just a sheep vote because I didnt know where to put my vote.
Kotoko looks townie, Kirigiri

still better than Shuichi

looks town
VOTE: Nos

[Kaede Akamatsu]

What do you think about Vax

I have conflicting opinions, dont like, but not enough to pursue atm, Nos is someone I have played plenty with.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Wait, Snarky's in this game?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Wait, Snarky's in this game?

God I twitch all over.

Can you comment on some of the recent interactions i.e Kagami vs. me/ Hindu vs. Vax and other people's stances on thosE?

If I could form an opinion on those interactions i'd have done so already, It's not easy for me to discern who's telling the truth and who's lying from an outside stand point. I did give my general reads on the players tho.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

the only nullish read on it is Vax lol

[Kaede Akamatsu]

That and this:

Red changed my mind.

(which implies Red flipped my read on you)

Anyone not mentioned i have nfi on yet.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Ok, then can you step out of your box, and even if it comes down on "I have no fucking idea what any of this means, but this is how I feel" go through Kagami and go through Vax?

I'm pretty sure I already said how I feel about both of them in that post. And in the following one, but if you want some sort of meter it'd be something like this:

Red
.
.
LLD
Kirigiri
Kotoko
Kagami
.
.
.
Vax
.
.
.
.
.
Nos

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Well for Kagami it's easy:

Hindu, there is exactly one likely explanation for your behavior thus far if you're town, and if so, you've done untold damage to us that didn't need to be done.

This post, or rather this part of THAT post, is what gave me an indication that they're town.
For Red:

I'm telling you this because, after reading your last post, it's gonna be a real pain in the ass to ignore what I think will be a town-town 1v1.

This and just general play throughout the game, this is just the part that gave me strongest town feels from them.
Vax i hated 301 but i dont have much issue with their posts afterwards.
Nos i didnt like how he spent several pages arguing with me over something he misunderstood and then get mad because "we didnt correct him", and then the vote on Maki (while i dont mind the vote itself, dont like the reasoning behind it).
Kirigiri's mostly gut and their general posting feels like they are game solving.
Kotoko's "Why are you voting me if you arent asking a question or want something from me" defiant attitude feels towny.

That's more or less how I feel about the game right now.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Vax i hated 307 but i dont have much issue with their posts afterwards.

Apparently i can't numbers

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Yep, I think AD is too, to be fair.

I'm not expecting too much here until LLD decides she's claiming Daughter, and then we get to lynch her.

Scumteam lives mostly if not entirely lives in {Cabd, LLD, Yuki, Snarky, Vax, Joey, Kyoko, Kokichi}.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ALSO, ALSO.

MORE PEOPLE NEED TO READ THIS FUCKIG POST BECAUSE IT BOARDERS ON SCUM CLAIM LMAO.

I think the one that needs to read it is you.
Kagami's logic is pretty easy to follow, they think you're not a daugther regardless and wont believe a daughter claim from you because they don't think (just like i did waaay back then), you'd confuse the daughter role and call it commuter instead of hider if you were one, on the exception of:

LLD is a daughter who is being o so tricksy and clever with hiding that

Not a post of wanting to lynch someone claiming daughter.
Which what I assume is what you're reading it as.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

aight I can't wait around all day for Kaede to come back (which btw annoys the fuck out of me. Pop in and misunderstand the point and then leave before I can clarify grumble grumble fucking grumble).

I'm going to play boardgames tonight. Won't be back on for a while, will have my phone, might check in and read but unlikely to post.

Hi LLD! I'm sorry, I don't think I've misunderstood the point, but I understand that you think Kagami's scum, I don't get this "read deeper", but I also dont understand why Kagami thinks you're either Scum or Daughter. I feel like everytime either of you mention something with this Daughter/Scum thing or this "Read deeper" or "This is the mentality of a daughter hunter" I feel like you're talking in riddles and I wish someone would just unpack everything.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

To be fair it's kinda a bad idea to fully discuss daughter hunting for obvious reasons

Yeah, but I dont think anyone is? Nor I think scum would be THAT stupid to openly daughter hunt in thread.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Yuki Takeya Jan 09, 03:25am Jan 10, 05:13pm

2 days 9 hour

s 2
ActionDan Jan 09, 09:43am Jan 09, 03:55pm

3 days 10 hours

7



I dont suppose they forgot this game exists did they. I mean i understand Yuki's done literally nothing on her only 2 posts and that's probably why she's being voted, but... this is ridiculous.
VOTE: Yuki
Don't think anyone will want to lynch Nos anytime soon anyway.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I'm

liking Kaito

so far. Surprising.

I agree with that!

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Well now I know who's going to the top of my reads list.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

No I hadn't, I'm not that good at figuring out alts, and tbh, i dont even bother trying.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

(Also i thought if you ever picked a DR alt it would be Angie)

[Kaede Akamatsu]

There's people that TR Kagami for posting the code?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I can't tell if you're having a bad day Kotoko or what but a lot of what you're saying isn't happening and you're acting like I ran over your puppy

That's just obvtown!notty in a nutshell.
Speaking of obvtown.

I'm just giving 1 pass because obv as fuck town LLD say's they're town.

At first I thought it was just Red being super good at reading LLD, but this is getting weird, I'm not seeing it, in fact I dont think I can see the difference between town and scum LLD, so an explanation on this would be nice.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

As far as I understand it.
The plan will yield the exact same hiding spots every single time so long as the daughters dont change who they dont want to visit, which is what they'd crumb, and the hiding spots is based on who the daughters are, which only the daughters themselves know.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

As far as the code thing goes:

- Scum has no way of knowing who the daughters are targeting if they dont know who's on their "dont visit" list
- Scum only will know who the daughters are targeting if they know the identity of the 3 daughters and the "dont visit" list
- Code supposedly takes a long in game time to reverse engineer to figure out the daughters.

I doubt scum would be able to predict where a daughter is hiding, but they can still manage to shoot there.
How is this worse than.

- Crumbing targets
- Rolling a dice
- Picking by reads (refer to "Crumbing Targets") (And even in this case they would've to pick town that isnt being shot by scum)

I'm not seeing these supposed flaws.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Well it probably has some flaws, im just not seeing how there is a better option.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Well I think the risk there is someone mentioning a scum player in their first post which will tell scum they arent a daughter.

But regardless all plans come with risks, it's about which one has less risk for more reward I think?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I guess you have a point, I could see that plan working.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

VOTE: ActionDan

[Kaede Akamatsu]

UNVOTE:
Idk, AD doesn't look scum to me.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Was voting because deadline but after reading those walls idk anymore, my gut tells me this is wrong.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

VOTE: Yuki

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I don't understand these Kirigiri votes, much less LLD's vote on Kirigiri. I hope it isnt related to the Yume vote that's silly, so can someone tell me?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Also if Yuki's indeed Yume that would explain a lot of things...

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Are you both seriously arguing about the word Rebuttal.

Also if he said he patched the games... the only one that had a patch was the first one tho? there was no Rebuttal showdown in that one.
Don't know what's scummy about someone not knowing what a rebuttal is.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

That being said, I had a scumread on Nos still, but dunno what to make of this "OMG YOU'RE FAKING IT COZ YOU DONT KNOW WHAT REBUTTAL IS" kinda thing. Feels more like a ML target now.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

VOTE: Kokichi

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I wouldn't be opposed to a boring lynch, maybe. Don't like when they flipped from me to action on poor reasoning.

Then put your vote where your mouth is.
VOTE: boring

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I feel like I'm having a harder than usual time finding scum this game.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I wouldn't be opposed to a boring lynch, maybe. Don't like when they flipped from me to action on poor reasoning.

Then put your vote where your mouth is.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I was uneasy with my vote earlier, but now im happy with it.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Probably bad.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Specially so close to deadline, i dont think this is gonna flip scum.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Nope I'm not arguing about wagon speed.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

The only people i'd currently lynch are Kokichi and boring.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Boring wagon was not very inspiring

I would agree with this until their reads list post.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

AD towned it up pretty well, boring got worse when i was compromising coz no one wanted to lynch Kokichi, now ppl are just jumping elsewhere again.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

@boring:
Like this is exactly NOT what has been happening:

-- a lot of naked votes and neutral statements lately.

I made it pretty clear that i was having a hard time finding scumreads, I had one (and still do) on Kokichi but ppl didnt want to lynch him, deadline was drawing close so I voted AD to compromise but he towned it up, and I mentioned this too, then ppl were moving to you so I followed along coz I had no leads, meanwhile Kokichi keeps saying things but not following on them himself, people keep not caring and then you come here and say I've just been doing pure naked votes.
So it feels like a pretty shitty reason to make your TR slip, much more importantly it's like you didnt even bother to read my posts, so it feels kinda fabricated.
Also a lot of your reads seem just mirror of what everyone else is feeling.

Not @boring (rather not part of my reply above)
Also it's frustrating coz, when ppl usually jump around this much at deadline close it's coz scum is either panicking or leading and usually ends up in a ML.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Nah i actually did fully read his walls, cant speak for the others tho.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I've been wondering, are scum even double voters too in this game?
Coz otherwise she could clear herself by Day 3.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

i have a hard time reading that pink font ;-;

[Kaede Akamatsu]

VOTE: ceph

I endorse this product or service.
VOTE: Ceph

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I don't know how you guys managed to guess boring was scum btw

Everyone including myself stated their reason for SRing boring, this happened after you had already replaced in iirc, you sound like this is something very surprising.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

So hmm

hot takes from page 8

lld kaede kagami & nos lean town
vax lean scum

Ceph did read, already, also here:

lol these are our three options and this one isn't the lead wagon? the fuck are you all smoking

VOTE: Kirigiri

Furthermore:

Because I knew I'd most likely be quicklynched today, so I didn't care

If you were going to be "quicklynched" shouldnt that incentivise you to read overnight? I mean, normally you dont read if you think you're gonna be NK'd, this is deliberately anti-town regardless of your alignment.

Also this doesn't match up with your play in PMyLo3.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Ok another fact that no one has seems to have touched is that there were competing wagons on both AD and boring, there was a sudden push at the end towards Kyoko, which ended in failure and boring got lynched, if we're to assume scum's "Troll" is their VT version of any potential thing they may have, it means Kyoko's almost conftown tiers of town no?

What i don't know is what this means for AD, but i still think he's town, anyone got other thoughts?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I think anyone that would like to suspect Kyoko needs to go through this first:

Ok another fact that no one has seems to have touched is that there were competing wagons on both AD and boring, there was a sudden push at the end towards Kyoko, which ended in failure and boring got lynched, if we're to assume scum's "Troll" is their VT version of any potential thing they may have, it means Kyoko's almost conftown tiers of town no?

What i don't know is what this means for AD, but i still think he's town, anyone got other thoughts?

And talk to me about why it makes sense for scum to try a desperation lynch at deadline on Kyoko instead of letting boring die.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Yeah, boring was fine moving the lynch to Kirigiri at deadline, at worst Kirigiri would be a scum troll too (doublevoting goon?), but i think it's more likely Kyoko's just a townie scum decided to pile in at the end using the desperation from deadline rush to lead town to a town ML, i did make a comment that this was probably the case back in D1, but with boring's flip i think that case is much stronger.

Also no im not voting Ceph because i think he was LLD's target, im voting Ceph due to how the end of D1 went. Also due to the fact that his replace in and his play D2 dont match with PMyLo3.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Fun fact: When i voted Ceph today at daystart, i wasnt even aware that LLD had crumbed to possibly hide behind him, i generally dont look for those things and i assumed we were just going to follow either LLD's or Kagami's plan, so i didnt bother looking for crumbs in the first place.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Actually remembering how boring was all like "I know how to read snarky" yesterday, this might be a good idea.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I have a feeling notty's the only player I'm going to be able to bounce ideas off with in this game.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Here's the thing, im starting to feel lonely, im rapidly losing trust in every single player here, no one seems to give a damn about what im thinking or my ideas, or even my stances and their reasons, and im starting to feel bad because the player im voting, the player i have the strongest suspicions on, is the only player that has actually attempted to interact with me and my ideas, and also share a SR on Kokichi that i've had since D1, and all of a sudden I feel lost, because all my TRs are dropping, nobody seems to care, everyone feels like it's pursuing their own agenda instead of trying to cooperate and now im starting to second guess myself, seems like my world has entirely flipped and im not sure of anything anymore, which is also rapidly draining my motivation to even bother trying.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

With that being said.
UNVOTE:

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I'll literally lynch anyone that's not Ceph, Kotoko or Kirigiri.

Not like anyone cares.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

You’re not alone, you’re just super hard to read is all. I got another opinion because your post was making me question if that was legit suspicion. For the record, I know you SR him but KO is town. I haven’t been saying anything because I don’t feel strongly enough to defend him but I do think your feeling lost is totally normal. I almost made a post similar to yours but I erased it. It’s a weird game that way for the wagon/voting reasons I stated before.

After ignoring my reasons for my TR on Kirigiri, and putting me on your suspicion list why do you expect me to trust you and this post?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Idk I just thought you were wanting to vote him.

I did, until you posted this:

Have any ideas on 1336 and the non vote? Think Kaede's nervous about committing somewhere or just antsy?

Which makes it look like "You better vote with me or i'll lynch you" which makes me less likely to want to vote with you.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Can you explain me the krigi tr or should i iso you

I think anyone that would like to suspect Kyoko needs to go through this first:

Ok another fact that no one has seems to have touched is that there were competing wagons on both AD and boring, there was a sudden push at the end towards Kyoko, which ended in failure and boring got lynched, if we're to assume scum's "Troll" is their VT version of any potential thing they may have, it means Kyoko's almost conftown tiers of town no?

What i don't know is what this means for AD, but i still think he's town, anyone got other thoughts?

And talk to me about why it makes sense for scum to try a desperation lynch at deadline on Kyoko instead of letting boring die.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

iirc, either AD was being ran up together with boring, or AD was being ran up BEFORE boring, Kyoko seemed like a CW to boring.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

VOTE: Hinduragi

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Let's just say im getting "paranoid" too.

In all seriousness, i've been going through his posts about the supposed paranoia he has on me, and the more i re-read them the less sense it makes, feels kinda fake.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Basically he's paranoid enough to put me in here:

--Low % lynch--
AD
Cephrir
Vax
Cabd
Nos/Kaede/Kyoko
SnarkySnowman
--High % lynch--

Then this happens:

Here's the thing, im starting to feel lonely, im rapidly losing trust in every single player here, no one seems to give a damn about what im thinking or my ideas, or even my stances and their reasons, and im starting to feel bad because the player im voting, the player i have the strongest suspicions on, is the only player that has actually attempted to interact with me and my ideas, and also share a SR on Kokichi that i've had since D1, and all of a sudden I feel lost, because all my TRs are dropping, nobody seems to care, everyone feels like it's pursuing their own agenda instead of trying to cooperate and now im starting to second guess myself, seems like my world has entirely flipped and im not sure of anything anymore, which is also rapidly draining my motivation to even bother trying.

Then he explains this (Note the bolded):

You were on my list because I’m increasingly paranoid about my townreads early.

After that above, if you’re scum, I’m legit not going to be able to lynch you ever.

But switches from Paranoia to buddying pretty quickly:

IM SORRY

Paranoid me says dumb things.

Let’s vote snarky

And it's making me feel like this isnt a natural trajectory.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

As much as I like your conclusions leading you to Red being scum, I think speculating where LLD hid is gonna be a colossal waste of time, too many variables

[Kaede Akamatsu]

It's also possible those werent crumbs, I mean we have been arguing for a while about this that it could be either so I don't want to risk it.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Then where exactly are we today?

Scumhunting, at least i am, since i dont think i can trust any of these "crumb discoveries", and feels like we're wasting more time arguing about them than anything.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

You guys are boring.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

VOTE: Snarky

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I did say out of the triangle of AD, boring, Kyoko I got Kyoko almost to conftown levels of town, how the vig even shoot her, why did ppl townread AD so hard out of it, I mean i townread dan but not for the wagons.