Surreptitious II: Secrets and Misdirection

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Also, I lol'd.

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Since eli has a 100% read he wont share:

1) tomorrow we lynch transcend
2) if he flips green we lynch eli.


The only way to negotiate this is to out your read before transcend lynch.

I accept.

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Wait what does ramcius's vote imply.

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whatever

ging come hammer

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VOTE: C

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oh b is the new c

VOTE: b

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VOTE: Transcend

Group C members vote in solidarity please.

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Ginn it's 3 to lynch so you can pretend you're hammering right now. <3

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I really dont see transcend scum here. Anyone wants to explain?
He basically would have powerbussed his entire team.

nah he's a goon so didn't know the traitors and had thor as locktown.

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vax/dan/toto someone hammer

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lol whatever

hammer hammer hammer

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Since eli has a 100% read he wont share:

1) tomorrow we lynch transcend
2) if he flips green we lynch eli.


The only way to negotiate this is to out your read before transcend lynch.

I accept.

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HAMMER HAMMER HAMMER

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btw bulba if toto scum is the reason why u don' BIG PICTURE vflare scum

it still works out there

it was obvious that the push was going to fail save something incredible so perfect time to buserino etc.

I just can't get Von to work in my head with any group. If Von is scum, then that implies that Thor was driving the team, and I'm not sure I buy that. And if Thor wasn't solely driving the team, that doesn't really leave anyone in A, especially if you consider who was around n1. Essentially it's the disconnected goon squad theory vs. the connected one. I lean toward the latter, which is why Vonflare doesn't make sense, and it's why I'm looking more at players like Transcend.

Also, I forgot to ask Bulbazak:

Where did you get it down to Transcend and Ramcius for Group C goon?

I've been pretty clear about my thoughts concerning Vonflare. I townread Ginngie. I'm finding it incredibly unlikely that Chess is scum, mostly due to his outing of the scum wincon when he wouldn't need to as scum, and also because Elli says so, and I don't think she's scum. That leaves Transcend and Ramicus. And I'm leaning more and more towards Transcend.

BELIEVE IN BULBAWINNER

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TOTO

DO IT

DO IT

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I DIDN'T READ THE POST PAST SEEING THAT IT SAID VONTOWN TRANSCUM LUL

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TOTO

END IT

END IT

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THE CAT STARTS SEEING IT

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Just let me have a fucking ultimatum because i know in my heart I'm blatant town and i don't think it is fair for me to get lynched after I've had fantastic reads all game

Like flip me if you have to just turbo lynch vonflare on my death.

And then majiffy

And then you're on your own for group a, but i think the kitty.

L

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you can lynch me.

i like this part

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actually ima need to reevaluate all of A at this point if i needed to but it won't matter because transcend dies today.

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MOMO GET YOUR VOTE BACK THERE

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Discussion is stupid at this point.

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ALL of fucking group C agrees me on this

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You were doing a great job when you voted.

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They killed LUV over you because they knew you'd do stupid shit like this but then you SHOCKED them with the vote.

don't justify them with this unvote.

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TOTO

ARE YOUR EYES OPENING

ARE YOUR EYES OPENING

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Maybe I don’t know.

He has looked less town lately

THIS IS WHY LUV WAS CHOSEN TO DIE OUT OF THE THREE

TOTO

MOMO

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LETS GO BOYS

LYNCH'EM

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AAAY MOMO <3

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WHERES MY HAMMER

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DAN THE MAN

VAXKILLER THE EPIC SAX PLAYER

MOMO THE...MEOWMEOW?

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Last post from me in the thread.

NO POINT WAITING NOW

HE KNOWS HE CAN'T STOP THE DEATH KNELL

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oh
goddamnit

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well this is probably why A made no sense :/

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we still won the game at the end ok...

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I mean I'm also only motivated now too because of bulb

He and creature are the heros here.

I want to reiterate the above though.

gj guys.

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now i'm going to go shower to get over this dan betrayal shock

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i honestly think it was killing bulba over me

and I think bulba did a great job before his death

but it just lit the fire in me

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I'm just glad I didn't drag town down when my reads were shit and forced them through when they were good.

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i mean yeh game even if by miracle vflare was lynched first, after you're lynched next i become practically conf town so the game's over.

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i'm not qualified to talk about game balance but the settup intuitively feels townsided yes.

I'm interested in what the mods (especially the btd guy who apparently primarily did balance?) thoughts are.

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and another notch on the 100% read belt to cite aaaay.

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i assumed scum had daytalk lmao

yeah that would probably have helped a lot

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I'm lazy about meta tells with irl friends and one of them i thought was real turned out to not be real.

people like you i actually check thoroughly with a computer so they're usually good.

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chesskid's scum in C and I'm scum in A

gotya

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I honestly don't think Ali ever reps out of there as scum.
They would relish the opportunity to trick me as scumlisae.

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Transcend (0): Ellibereth, chesskid3, Ginngie [LYNCH!] <- this should be Ellibereth, momo, InactionDan

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GIVE ME DEM QT'S,

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Wait, no. It would lead out to a 1 conf town 1 town 1 scum LYLO. Dan could have won. If not for the forfeit, that is.

This basically would never happen because I become practical conftown after trans flips.

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i think he's talking about the miracle scenario where somehow vonflare gets lynched first which wasn't going to happen

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It's interesting to me that even though we lynched scum everyday save a decent d1 policy lynch - I think at various points in the game town actually felt behind. Creature even used "comeback" to describe the result. This may have been purely psychological though for the players still in the game as scum got the optimal NK's every night. And for spectators there's probably just an assumption that living players won't do 360 reevaluates so they just project a negative trajectory if remaining reads are bad?

On that note.
I give Bulba full credit for the Transcend lynch.
Both in terms of being right about it not being von and probably being Trans.
And for being my motivational martyr.

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Noone escapes the AlphaMeta 5000

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i mean yeah i was prob the toughest lynch

but that deathtunnel from elli scarred me for life

<3

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Night 1:

EddieFenix RB: No Action
Desperado RB:

Night 2:

Majiffy RB+RS: No Action

LOL

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give scum daytalk

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I mean
story of the game:

There was always someone in the town that had a correct read that got their say.
While the people that were wrong didn't.

so

I'm actually very happy that I didn't self destruct and force mislynches through and just let other things happen and other people do their thing when I was wavering/not sure.

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I honestly don't think Ali ever reps out of there as scum.
They would relish the opportunity to trick me as scumlisae.

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But yeah...I actually fucked up on chess in maplewood too.

MAYBE I NEED TO BE MORE RIGOROUS ON YOU FUCKHEADS NOW.

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BULB THIS IS MY FORMAL APOLOGY

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also tbf bulba, I found your Youtube channel and I will say
your voice is pretty good for youtube.

Plz link

PLZ SAY RELEASE QT.

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eh.

The PR's from group A and B were both beyond obvs (to the point where I think I should have faked creature's guilty if I were more alert at the time), while your group was probably at worst a 50/50 for scum by PoE.

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everyone else vt told hard and you didn't