Beneath The Mask [Endgame]

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Oh hey this is me confirming and things.

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HURT: keyenpeydee

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HURT: keyenpeydee

Either that's a mistake or there is an actual purpose to pregame

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What about go fuck yourself(s).

i like you. but you're probably scum. if there even is scum in this game...

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*Impressive whistle*

are you being impressive or are you whistling because you're impressed

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HURT: keyenpeydee

[doublehurt]keyenpeydee[/doublehurt]

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okay idk what the tag for that is

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why are people playing the game? i mean it's not day yet, hold ya horses

why do you think people shouldn't scumhunt before daystart?

also
a) 16:5 is pretty fine and there are ways to adjust balance that aren't changing faction numbers
b) do the faction numbers actually matter right now?

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i'm just here to get a head start on shitposting

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I have a pretty hard townread on Creature here ftr and I would appreciate it if we never lynched him.
Keyenpeydee is my biggest scumread right now because he tried to advocate for less posting when he said he would spam pregame. Not especially strong, but eh.

There could be a third party but considering the Phantom Thieves vs Conspiracy flavoring we definitely shouldn't be relying on that imo.

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If it's just town versus conspiracy I bet that there are 5-6 scum with role madness.

In my experience it's more likely scum just get really strong abilites to counter town power.

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I think we've probably reached the point where there is no benefit to talking about roles and the setup instead of just trying to generate reads from what we have.
Right now my reads are like this;

Creature

Mulch

Ramcius
Yume

keyenpeydee

pedit: Oh NOW you're lockscum

[ChikoritasInAction]

I have a pretty hard townread on Creature here ftr and I would appreciate it if we never lynched him.
Keyenpeydee is my biggest scumread right now because he tried to advocate for less posting when he said he would spam pregame. Not especially strong, but eh.

There could be a third party but considering the Phantom Thieves vs Conspiracy flavoring we definitely shouldn't be relying on that imo.

here I was thinking we were going to PL creature

You can do anything if you just believe

I think I figured it out now how to win this game

(that's not very helpful)

Creature's trying to get TR'd in the pre-game. And he's successful.

Since we all know our alignments, why is reading people in the pre-game bad or weird?

I don't sr the yume miller claim.

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If we know our alignments, that means we can produce AI things, and it's a good idea to try and read people. If we don't, it's obviously futile.

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Fair enough, I just misunderstood that then.

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wtf is a miller
(this is echo that's why i didn't answer your question mulch, your question is for mm4)

also knowing how alisae makes games it's probably like 19/3 with the 3 scum being gods

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If we know our alignments, that means we can produce AI things, and it's a good idea to try and read people. If we don't, it's obviously futile.

i'll try make it clear - why you so confident in Creature being town?

Generally him engaging with the game like this is strongly town-indicative for him, and him not doing so is strongly scum-indicative for him. I correctly scumread him for it here and here.

-mm4 since I guess we aren't really easy to tell apart like I thought

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HURT WITH A BLADE: Alisae

-toast

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i would be willing to bet a significant amount that it is considered bastard since pregame is part of the game

-mm4

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So, in short, if you plan on coming after me, as either town or scum, you'll have to come to the metaverse.
That's all.

if scum is in the real world they can still kill you if you're in the metaverse so this statements just kinda unnecessary

-ryan

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- PenguinPower
- mastina
- Lil Uzi Vert
- Drixx
- Yume

- Varsoon
- ChikoritasInAction (EchoVision and MarioManic4)
- Leonshade

- Alchemist21
- Chesskid3
- Ellibereth
- xRECKONERx
- Smocaine

- davesaz
- keyenpeydee
- Ramcius
- Creature

- Kise
- Maki Harukawa

- WhemeStar

- ActionDan

- Mulch

HURT WITH A BLADE: Alisae

ftfy
-ryan

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can we not do the catch up thing where we spend 50 posts saying what could be said in 1?

lol you haven't met me

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guys why do we have to kill why can't we just have brunch sometime together in the metaverse? i know this great place right off of lake ave that has

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(yay i love sending messages that i don't mean to send yet)

that has the BEST french toast in the metaverse. i know the cook, he's an old family friend. who wanna go with me sometime?

-ryan/echo

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So, in short, if you plan on coming after me, as either town or scum, you'll have to come to the metaverse.
That's all.

if scum is in the real world they can still kill you if you're in the metaverse so this statements just kinda unnecessary

-ryan

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Where did you get this from? The OP says that rules primarily only affect the world the player is in, and it doesn't specify an exception for the factional kill.

well when i was asking alisae questions about it on steam i asked him "hey guy so if i'm in metaverse i can't die to ppl in real world" and he's like "no homes you can still die don't worry about it" and i'm like "oh darn shucks"

-i like toast

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hey quick question while i catch up, are we still doing rvs when the day actually starts?? or did this whole pregame thing kinda eliminate the need for it because personally i'd still like to do it and see some things

-ryannnnnnnnnnnn

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I’m still going to RVS

ha lol okay you guys talked about it first xdddddd

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hey quick question while i catch up, are we still doing rvs when the day actually starts?? or did this whole pregame thing kinda eliminate the need for it because personally i'd still like to do it and see some things

-ryannnnnnnnnnnn

Ryan?

idk what name my main is anymore i think it's echovision but i'm probably wrong so i'm just signing as ryan

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I wonder how useful it actually is to try and prevent scum's decisions from being informed when they already are. As Creature said, we have to lynch them all anyway, so I'm really not thinking the distribution will actually make a huge difference.
Right now my scumreads are keyen and ramcius (for his push on Creature which I kinda don't like) but I still need to talk to echo about Ram.

-mm4

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Actually, I'm pretty sure I figured out a way that we could break the game and confirm every Phantom Thief.
Part of the Phantom Thief role PM tells me who Akira Kurusu is.
If, somehow, we could all claim at the same time, who Akira is, we could immediately confirm all the Phantom Thieves.
Of course, that level of cooperation and getting everyone to post at the exact same time so scum can't just copy+paste and sneak in would be nearly impossible.
I also though that maybe when we run someone to L-1, they could claim and also claim who they think Akira is, but if scum somehow know Akira's identity (But they shouldn't otherwise this game design gets real dumb), we could confirm out people before lynching them.
Of course, that does out Akira, who seems to be our most useful PR or something.

I see ZERO benefit to this... you say that Akira is our most useful pr but you previously say that you know who Akira is which means you're hunting for prs, and the fact that you want people to say their Akira suspect furthers my point

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VOTE COUNT 1 . 2 Ellibereth - 2 ( xRECKONERx, Lil Uzi Vert ) L- 10 Varsoon ---- 1 ( Varsoon ) L- 10 Not Voting - 19 ( Alchemist21, Chesskid3, ChikoritasInAction, Creature, davesaz, Ellibereth, Kise, keyenpeydee, Leonshade, Maki and Kaito, Mulch, Not Chara, PenguinPower, Purple Nurple, Ramcius, RationalNumbers, Smocaine, WhemeStar, Yume ) With 22 alive, it takes 12 to Lynch Deadline is in (expired on 2017-10-24 19:13:48)

FOS COUNT 1 . 2 Not FoS'ing - 22 ( Everyone ) With 22 alive, it takes 12 to Lynch Deadline is in (expired on 2017-10-24 19:13:48)

hey guy first guy has 2 votes second guy has 1 vote but it says they're both at l-10 silly

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oh shit yeah the last two posts were echo/ryan sorry i’m getting used to this whole hydra thing

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so I'll tell you guys what I told mm4, it wouldn't surprise me if ramcius were to flip scum. To me, he seems like the guy who's appearing to do something but when I looked into him, I found nothing of use. His posts just kinda seem like fluff so that when someone iso dives, there's shit there.

Also, I really feel uneasy about varsoon. I pointed out flaws in his 468 earlier, but his 534 is really irking me too. He tells Rational to drop the Mastina case because they must townread that slot, but delves no deeper than "drop it". Imho, providing reads and reasons in this state of the game is crucial because there's not much to work with since it's so early (that points like half-moot because we have 18 pages of fucking pre-game, but I still think that providing reads etc. is important here and varsoon is trying to deny their read for no other reason (that I could see) aside from him townreading the slot

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that was echo btw

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jesus fuck you guys seriously made 20 pages in one day and I read one of them because it's bed time... I'll be back eventually

-echo

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I am Ann Takamaki. Davezsaz is Akiru. I am one of the phantom thieves which means that I can travel from the metaverse to the real world back and forth, and I went into the metaverse pre game cause it seemed cool. I'm a role cop in the real world and a self watcher in the metaverse.

VOTE: Mulch
fuck off

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UNVOTE:
whatever. there are twenty pages, I skimmed them and I dont even fucking know who's scum rn. let's just lynch ramcius for his shitty clash of the gods comment or something.

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UNVOTE:
whatever. there are twenty pages, I skimmed them and I dont even fucking know who's scum rn. let's just lynch ramcius for his shitty clash of the gods comment or something.

do u think mulch is town?

iirc you have experience with him but also misread him pretty consistently

i don't even know what mulch is. he's willing to do so much inane shit as town that it's impossible to actually read him for me. i'm just really really pissed off at him rn.

(and yes what eddie said is accurate and not discrediting really)

-this post was mm4 as were the last two

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I don't see much point in wagoning keyenpeydee while that slot is empty.

VOTE: Ramcius
How about this?

-mm4

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"Deadline is in 12 days, 16 hours, 18 minutes"

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so I'll tell you guys what I told mm4, it wouldn't surprise me if ramcius were to flip scum. To me, he seems like the guy who's appearing to do something but when I looked into him, I found nothing of use. His posts just kinda seem like fluff so that when someone iso dives, there's shit there.

Also, I really feel uneasy about varsoon. I pointed out flaws in his 468 earlier, but his 534 is really irking me too. He tells Rational to drop the Mastina case because they must townread that slot, but delves no deeper than "drop it". Imho, providing reads and reasons in this state of the game is crucial because there's not much to work with since it's so early (that points like half-moot because we have 18 pages of fucking pre-game, but I still think that providing reads etc. is important here and varsoon is trying to deny their read for no other reason (that I could see) aside from him townreading the slot

Misrep my position via omittion more, please.

can you attempt to sound more pretentious next time please?

sorry that your activity strikes me as scum so I said something...?

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is mulch like conftown now or something because his reactions to being sanic speed wagoned were not good and I expected a lynch shortly but no because there's another twenty fucking pages

-echo

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It is unbelievably immature, childish and absurdly over the top rude to the rest of the players and even more so to the people who put the time in to make the game.

Sorry! Don't really care. I'm sick of being wagoned day 1 every game.

then fix your play style, don't ruin the game for people.

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You could actually play mafia instead of gamethrow when under the pressure of four votes in a large game.
Get off your self-important high horse. Take a breath. Realize this is a game for everyone to play, that the mod put a ton of effort into, and that selfishly throwing the integrity of that out of the window is against the spirit of the game and, arguably, against site rules.

If you're scum, though, die forever.

Haven’t been banned before and I’ve self voted every day 1 I’m wagoned as town. Guessing I won’t be now!

this isn't something to brag about... -echo

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Okay I'm on page 38 but I go sleep now because I have a headache g'bye

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I really don't like how he was calling me scum since beggining, but only now tried start wagon

you weren't my biggest scumread for a while, at a certain point me and echo both scumread you so it's a pretty good idea to wagon you now. unfortunately I can't really start wagons on multiple people at one time, that's not how it works. it's also interesting that despite this being your reasoning, you only voted us once we voted you

and i yet to see case on me

i haven't seen a case on us from you either!

("i don't like that post about Clash of Gods" i don't consider good reasons at this stage of game)

considering how it was a huge misrep of what actually happened in this game that really makes no sense i disagree with you on that one
i also don't really like 592, 595, 599

-mm4

[ChikoritasInAction]

I really don't like how he was calling me scum since beggining, but only now tried start wagon

you weren't my biggest scumread for a while, at a certain point me and echo both scumread you so it's a pretty good idea to wagon you now. unfortunately I can't really start wagons on multiple people at one time, that's not how it works. it's also interesting that despite this being your reasoning, you only voted us once we voted you

and i yet to see case on me

i haven't seen a case on us from you either!

("i don't like that post about Clash of Gods" i don't consider good reasons at this stage of game)

considering how it was a huge misrep of what actually happened in this game that really makes no sense i disagree with you on that one
i also don't really like 592, 595, 599

-mm4

cute, i never expressed my sr on you, so why you expected my vote earlier? In fact it was you who was constantly calling me scum, but not taking any actions or providing any case

grasping straws, when called out? Why you didn't said anything back there?

also, start wagons? You didn't voted anyone, you retracted Mulch vote soon after you voted him, so what multiple wagons you are talking? You didn't even bothered FoS me, which you can have multiple

and now, why you didn't tried convince people join wagon on me, but you showed up right after i asked people to vote you? Was you lurking and waiting?

these are the times I mentioned you as scum;
379- why i didn't push you is literally in the post
577 is echo and he was pushing you so \o/
1112 was a throwaway comment because i was pissed at mulch and suspected you- eighteen posts later I voted you.
I don't think this is anything like what you're implying

FOS doesn't do anything and since we're allowed to vote now i'm basically ignoring it.

we were scumreading keyen for most of the game, which was basically just pregame i.e i can't actually real vote, and then i was absent for a pretty large period of time. i did try to build a wagon on you, starting in 1130 and then continuing into now.
i went online at that point because that's how i operate- from monday to friday, i am available in the mornings, at times ranging from 6.30 to 8. that's just when i come online.



also the clash of the gods comment is something I should elaborate on probably; in that game, creature was meta-scumread, not meta-townread- that's what led to him being lynched and ramcius using that as justification for scumreading consesus obvtown is really fishy to me.

-mm4

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NOW ONTO THE NEXT TOPIC

VOTE: Smocanine

wagon this

why? neither of you have done that much, i think.

-mm4

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why is wheme clearly town? nothing really points either way from what i've seen.

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dude he's wheme. don't think he could fake this

sure i would agree with you if there was anything in his iso which was hard to fake

[ChikoritasInAction]

Give me something to do. I need to engage in a discussion again.

what do you think of ramcius?

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Hi Brian Skies, your slot claimed miller, can you confirm?

Just when I thought this "gambit" was finally dead, it returns to haunt me.

And for your precious "hydra meta" of myself and mastina having reads too similar, hydras faking dissonance such as you and math disagreeing with me (particularly lines like "I'm starting to agree with Drixx") is not only a thing but a rather common one. So, fack off.

No. Not backing off.

{Your hydra, Ramicus, E, Not Chara, XReckonerX } are all a denizen of evil that needs to die. Later tonight after Shadowrun expect me to layout every move I believe the team did.

--Math

Do you really expect to know most members of the scumteam and every move they did on d1 with no flips

Anyone else have feeling like this RN vs PN fight is staged?

no?????????????????????????????????????????????

I think Mario can be scum. I think there is at least a decent chance he is scum that is trying to push ramicus, and not consider elsewhere and use that as an excuse for his scumhunting, and he should know better cause in Clash of the Gods it was similar.

sure it's possible but why is it likely? that last thing makes like no sense to me. creature was lynched, over other lurkers, because of meta. and ramcius is using this to disregard creature meta.

-mm4

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Yeah, we're loved. I don't really see why we should've claimed that but ok.

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Some early stuff that triggered me:

Spoiler: From Chiky's ISO

For everyone

What would be your 3 favorite wagons?

What about go fuck yourself(s).

i like you. but you're probably scum. if there even is scum in this game...

So, in short, if you plan on coming after me, as either town or scum, you'll have to come to the metaverse.
That's all.

if scum is in the real world they can still kill you if you're in the metaverse so this statements just kinda unnecessary

-ryan

guys why do we have to kill why can't we just have brunch sometime together in the metaverse? i know this great place right off of lake ave that has

(yay i love sending messages that i don't mean to send yet)

that has the BEST french toast in the metaverse. i know the cook, he's an old family friend. who wanna go with me sometime?

-ryan/echo

Actually, I'm pretty sure I figured out a way that we could break the game and confirm every Phantom Thief.
Part of the Phantom Thief role PM tells me who Akira Kurusu is.
If, somehow, we could all claim at the same time, who Akira is, we could immediately confirm all the Phantom Thieves.
Of course, that level of cooperation and getting everyone to post at the exact same time so scum can't just copy+paste and sneak in would be nearly impossible.
I also though that maybe when we run someone to L-1, they could claim and also claim who they think Akira is, but if scum somehow know Akira's identity (But they shouldn't otherwise this game design gets real dumb), we could confirm out people before lynching them.
Of course, that does out Akira, who seems to be our most useful PR or something.

I see ZERO benefit to this... you say that Akira is our most useful pr but you previously say that you know who Akira is which means you're hunting for prs, and the fact that you want people to say their Akira suspect furthers my point

Basically, Chikorita's got a lot of focus/clarity on the real world/metaverse and how killing works between the two, but doesn't know who Akira is.
The only people who should have such a focus on the metaverse early are people who can go there, and, as far as I am aware, that's limited to Phantom Thieves and Scum.
As far as we are aware, though, the Phantom Thieves know the existence of Akira.

See how quickly Chikorita spins my play into PR hunting?

This all just doesn't seem to come from a town slot.

those posts are 2x echo shitposting with game mechanics flavour and 1x echo responding to your post lol

Hey hey hey

what are your reads?

[ChikoritasInAction]

Spoiler: mm4 posts

Oh hey this is me confirming and things.

HURT: keyenpeydee

HURT: keyenpeydee

Either that's a mistake or there is an actual purpose to pregame

HURT: keyenpeydee

[doublehurt]keyenpeydee[/doublehurt]

why are people playing the game? i mean it's not day yet, hold ya horses

why do you think people shouldn't scumhunt before daystart?

also
a) 16:5 is pretty fine and there are ways to adjust balance that aren't changing faction numbers
b) do the faction numbers actually matter right now?

I have a pretty hard townread on Creature here ftr and I would appreciate it if we never lynched him.
Keyenpeydee is my biggest scumread right now because he tried to advocate for less posting when he said he would spam pregame. Not especially strong, but eh.

There could be a third party but considering the Phantom Thieves vs Conspiracy flavoring we definitely shouldn't be relying on that imo.

If it's just town versus conspiracy I bet that there are 5-6 scum with role madness.

In my experience it's more likely scum just get really strong abilites to counter town power.

I think we've probably reached the point where there is no benefit to talking about roles and the setup instead of just trying to generate reads from what we have.
Right now my reads are like this;

Creature

Mulch

Ramcius
Yume

keyenpeydee

pedit: Oh NOW you're lockscum

I have a pretty hard townread on Creature here ftr and I would appreciate it if we never lynched him.
Keyenpeydee is my biggest scumread right now because he tried to advocate for less posting when he said he would spam pregame. Not especially strong, but eh.

There could be a third party but considering the Phantom Thieves vs Conspiracy flavoring we definitely shouldn't be relying on that imo.

here I was thinking we were going to PL creature

You can do anything if you just believe

I think I figured it out now how to win this game

(that's not very helpful)

Creature's trying to get TR'd in the pre-game. And he's successful.

Since we all know our alignments, why is reading people in the pre-game bad or weird?

I don't sr the yume miller claim.

If we know our alignments, that means we can produce AI things, and it's a good idea to try and read people. If we don't, it's obviously futile.

Fair enough, I just misunderstood that then.

If we know our alignments, that means we can produce AI things, and it's a good idea to try and read people. If we don't, it's obviously futile.

i'll try make it clear - why you so confident in Creature being town?

Generally him engaging with the game like this is strongly town-indicative for him, and him not doing so is strongly scum-indicative for him. I correctly scumread him for it here and here.

-mm4 since I guess we aren't really easy to tell apart like I thought

i would be willing to bet a significant amount that it is considered bastard since pregame is part of the game

-mm4

I wonder how useful it actually is to try and prevent scum's decisions from being informed when they already are. As Creature said, we have to lynch them all anyway, so I'm really not thinking the distribution will actually make a huge difference.
Right now my scumreads are keyen and ramcius (for his push on Creature which I kinda don't like) but I still need to talk to echo about Ram.

-mm4

I am Ann Takamaki. Davezsaz is Akiru. I am one of the phantom thieves which means that I can travel from the metaverse to the real world back and forth, and I went into the metaverse pre game cause it seemed cool. I'm a role cop in the real world and a self watcher in the metaverse.

VOTE: Mulch
fuck off

UNVOTE:
whatever. there are twenty pages, I skimmed them and I dont even fucking know who's scum rn. let's just lynch ramcius for his shitty clash of the gods comment or something.

UNVOTE:
whatever. there are twenty pages, I skimmed them and I dont even fucking know who's scum rn. let's just lynch ramcius for his shitty clash of the gods comment or something.

do u think mulch is town?

iirc you have experience with him but also misread him pretty consistently

i don't even know what mulch is. he's willing to do so much inane shit as town that it's impossible to actually read him for me. i'm just really really pissed off at him rn.

(and yes what eddie said is accurate and not discrediting really)

-this post was mm4 as were the last two

"Deadline is in 12 days, 16 hours, 18 minutes"

I really don't like how he was calling me scum since beggining, but only now tried start wagon

you weren't my biggest scumread for a while, at a certain point me and echo both scumread you so it's a pretty good idea to wagon you now. unfortunately I can't really start wagons on multiple people at one time, that's not how it works. it's also interesting that despite this being your reasoning, you only voted us once we voted you

and i yet to see case on me

i haven't seen a case on us from you either!

("i don't like that post about Clash of Gods" i don't consider good reasons at this stage of game)

considering how it was a huge misrep of what actually happened in this game that really makes no sense i disagree with you on that one
i also don't really like 592, 595, 599

-mm4

I really don't like how he was calling me scum since beggining, but only now tried start wagon

you weren't my biggest scumread for a while, at a certain point me and echo both scumread you so it's a pretty good idea to wagon you now. unfortunately I can't really start wagons on multiple people at one time, that's not how it works. it's also interesting that despite this being your reasoning, you only voted us once we voted you

and i yet to see case on me

i haven't seen a case on us from you either!

("i don't like that post about Clash of Gods" i don't consider good reasons at this stage of game)

considering how it was a huge misrep of what actually happened in this game that really makes no sense i disagree with you on that one
i also don't really like 592, 595, 599

-mm4

cute, i never expressed my sr on you, so why you expected my vote earlier? In fact it was you who was constantly calling me scum, but not taking any actions or providing any case

grasping straws, when called out? Why you didn't said anything back there?

also, start wagons? You didn't voted anyone, you retracted Mulch vote soon after you voted him, so what multiple wagons you are talking? You didn't even bothered FoS me, which you can have multiple

and now, why you didn't tried convince people join wagon on me, but you showed up right after i asked people to vote you? Was you lurking and waiting?

these are the times I mentioned you as scum;
379- why i didn't push you is literally in the post
577 is echo and he was pushing you so \o/
1112 was a throwaway comment because i was pissed at mulch and suspected you- eighteen posts later I voted you.
I don't think this is anything like what you're implying

FOS doesn't do anything and since we're allowed to vote now i'm basically ignoring it.

we were scumreading keyen for most of the game, which was basically just pregame i.e i can't actually real vote, and then i was absent for a pretty large period of time. i did try to build a wagon on you, starting in 1130 and then continuing into now.
i went online at that point because that's how i operate- from monday to friday, i am available in the mornings, at times ranging from 6.30 to 8. that's just when i come online.



also the clash of the gods comment is something I should elaborate on probably; in that game, creature was meta-scumread, not meta-townread- that's what led to him being lynched and ramcius using that as justification for scumreading consesus obvtown is really fishy to me.

-mm4

NOW ONTO THE NEXT TOPIC

VOTE: Smocanine

wagon this

why? neither of you have done that much, i think.

-mm4

why is wheme clearly town? nothing really points either way from what i've seen.

dude he's wheme. don't think he could fake this

sure i would agree with you if there was anything in his iso which was hard to fake

Give me something to do. I need to engage in a discussion again.

what do you think of ramcius?

Hi Brian Skies, your slot claimed miller, can you confirm?

Just when I thought this "gambit" was finally dead, it returns to haunt me.

And for your precious "hydra meta" of myself and mastina having reads too similar, hydras faking dissonance such as you and math disagreeing with me (particularly lines like "I'm starting to agree with Drixx") is not only a thing but a rather common one. So, fack off.

No. Not backing off.

{Your hydra, Ramicus, E, Not Chara, XReckonerX } are all a denizen of evil that needs to die. Later tonight after Shadowrun expect me to layout every move I believe the team did.

--Math

Do you really expect to know most members of the scumteam and every move they did on d1 with no flips

Anyone else have feeling like this RN vs PN fight is staged?

no?????????????????????????????????????????????

I think Mario can be scum. I think there is at least a decent chance he is scum that is trying to push ramicus, and not consider elsewhere and use that as an excuse for his scumhunting, and he should know better cause in Clash of the Gods it was similar.

sure it's possible but why is it likely? that last thing makes like no sense to me. creature was lynched, over other lurkers, because of meta. and ramcius is using this to disregard creature meta.

-mm4

Yeah, we're loved. I don't really see why we should've claimed that but ok.

Some early stuff that triggered me:

For everyone

What would be your 3 favorite wagons?

What about go fuck yourself(s).

i like you. but you're probably scum. if there even is scum in this game...

So, in short, if you plan on coming after me, as either town or scum, you'll have to come to the metaverse.
That's all.

if scum is in the real world they can still kill you if you're in the metaverse so this statements just kinda unnecessary

-ryan

guys why do we have to kill why can't we just have brunch sometime together in the metaverse? i know this great place right off of lake ave that has

(yay i love sending messages that i don't mean to send yet)

that has the BEST french toast in the metaverse. i know the cook, he's an old family friend. who wanna go with me sometime?

-ryan/echo

Actually, I'm pretty sure I figured out a way that we could break the game and confirm every Phantom Thief.
Part of the Phantom Thief role PM tells me who Akira Kurusu is.
If, somehow, we could all claim at the same time, who Akira is, we could immediately confirm all the Phantom Thieves.
Of course, that level of cooperation and getting everyone to post at the exact same time so scum can't just copy+paste and sneak in would be nearly impossible.
I also though that maybe when we run someone to L-1, they could claim and also claim who they think Akira is, but if scum somehow know Akira's identity (But they shouldn't otherwise this game design gets real dumb), we could confirm out people before lynching them.
Of course, that does out Akira, who seems to be our most useful PR or something.

I see ZERO benefit to this... you say that Akira is our most useful pr but you previously say that you know who Akira is which means you're hunting for prs, and the fact that you want people to say their Akira suspect furthers my point

Basically, Chikorita's got a lot of focus/clarity on the real world/metaverse and how killing works between the two, but doesn't know who Akira is.
The only people who should have such a focus on the metaverse early are people who can go there, and, as far as I am aware, that's limited to Phantom Thieves and Scum.
As far as we are aware, though, the Phantom Thieves know the existence of Akira.

See how quickly Chikorita spins my play into PR hunting?

This all just doesn't seem to come from a town slot.

those posts are 2x echo shitposting with game mechanics flavour and 1x echo responding to your post lol

Hey hey hey

what are your reads?

Spoiler: echovision posts

What about go fuck yourself(s).

i like you. but you're probably scum. if there even is scum in this game...

*Impressive whistle*

are you being impressive or are you whistling because you're impressed

okay idk what the tag for that is

i'm just here to get a head start on shitposting

wtf is a miller
(this is echo that's why i didn't answer your question mulch, your question is for mm4)

also knowing how alisae makes games it's probably like 19/3 with the 3 scum being gods

HURT WITH A BLADE: Alisae

-toast

So, in short, if you plan on coming after me, as either town or scum, you'll have to come to the metaverse.
That's all.

if scum is in the real world they can still kill you if you're in the metaverse so this statements just kinda unnecessary

-ryan

- PenguinPower
- mastina
- Lil Uzi Vert
- Drixx
- Yume

- Varsoon
- ChikoritasInAction (EchoVision and MarioManic4)
- Leonshade

- Alchemist21
- Chesskid3
- Ellibereth
- xRECKONERx
- Smocaine

- davesaz
- keyenpeydee
- Ramcius
- Creature

- Kise
- Maki Harukawa

- WhemeStar

- ActionDan

- Mulch

HURT WITH A BLADE: Alisae

ftfy
-ryan

can we not do the catch up thing where we spend 50 posts saying what could be said in 1?

lol you haven't met me

guys why do we have to kill why can't we just have brunch sometime together in the metaverse? i know this great place right off of lake ave that has

(yay i love sending messages that i don't mean to send yet)

that has the BEST french toast in the metaverse. i know the cook, he's an old family friend. who wanna go with me sometime?

-ryan/echo

So, in short, if you plan on coming after me, as either town or scum, you'll have to come to the metaverse.
That's all.

if scum is in the real world they can still kill you if you're in the metaverse so this statements just kinda unnecessary

-ryan

'
Where did you get this from? The OP says that rules primarily only affect the world the player is in, and it doesn't specify an exception for the factional kill.

well when i was asking alisae questions about it on steam i asked him "hey guy so if i'm in metaverse i can't die to ppl in real world" and he's like "no homes you can still die don't worry about it" and i'm like "oh darn shucks"

-i like toast

hey quick question while i catch up, are we still doing rvs when the day actually starts?? or did this whole pregame thing kinda eliminate the need for it because personally i'd still like to do it and see some things

-ryannnnnnnnnnnn

I’m still going to RVS

ha lol okay you guys talked about it first xdddddd

hey quick question while i catch up, are we still doing rvs when the day actually starts?? or did this whole pregame thing kinda eliminate the need for it because personally i'd still like to do it and see some things

-ryannnnnnnnnnnn

Ryan?

idk what name my main is anymore i think it's echovision but i'm probably wrong so i'm just signing as ryan

Actually, I'm pretty sure I figured out a way that we could break the game and confirm every Phantom Thief.
Part of the Phantom Thief role PM tells me who Akira Kurusu is.
If, somehow, we could all claim at the same time, who Akira is, we could immediately confirm all the Phantom Thieves.
Of course, that level of cooperation and getting everyone to post at the exact same time so scum can't just copy+paste and sneak in would be nearly impossible.
I also though that maybe when we run someone to L-1, they could claim and also claim who they think Akira is, but if scum somehow know Akira's identity (But they shouldn't otherwise this game design gets real dumb), we could confirm out people before lynching them.
Of course, that does out Akira, who seems to be our most useful PR or something.

I see ZERO benefit to this... you say that Akira is our most useful pr but you previously say that you know who Akira is which means you're hunting for prs, and the fact that you want people to say their Akira suspect furthers my point

VOTE COUNT 1 . 2 Ellibereth - 2 ( xRECKONERx, Lil Uzi Vert ) L- 10 Varsoon ---- 1 ( Varsoon ) L- 10 Not Voting - 19 ( Alchemist21, Chesskid3, ChikoritasInAction, Creature, davesaz, Ellibereth, Kise, keyenpeydee, Leonshade, Maki and Kaito, Mulch, Not Chara, PenguinPower, Purple Nurple, Ramcius, RationalNumbers, Smocaine, WhemeStar, Yume ) With 22 alive, it takes 12 to Lynch Deadline is in (expired on 2017-10-24 19:13:48)

FOS COUNT 1 . 2 Not FoS'ing - 22 ( Everyone ) With 22 alive, it takes 12 to Lynch Deadline is in (expired on 2017-10-24 19:13:48)

hey guy first guy has 2 votes second guy has 1 vote but it says they're both at l-10 silly

oh shit yeah the last two posts were echo/ryan sorry i’m getting used to this whole hydra thing

so I'll tell you guys what I told mm4, it wouldn't surprise me if ramcius were to flip scum. To me, he seems like the guy who's appearing to do something but when I looked into him, I found nothing of use. His posts just kinda seem like fluff so that when someone iso dives, there's shit there.

Also, I really feel uneasy about varsoon. I pointed out flaws in his 468 earlier, but his 534 is really irking me too. He tells Rational to drop the Mastina case because they must townread that slot, but delves no deeper than "drop it". Imho, providing reads and reasons in this state of the game is crucial because there's not much to work with since it's so early (that points like half-moot because we have 18 pages of fucking pre-game, but I still think that providing reads etc. is important here and varsoon is trying to deny their read for no other reason (that I could see) aside from him townreading the slot

that was echo btw

jesus fuck you guys seriously made 20 pages in one day and I read one of them because it's bed time... I'll be back eventually

-echo

I don't see much point in wagoning keyenpeydee while that slot is empty.

VOTE: Ramcius
How about this?

-mm4

so I'll tell you guys what I told mm4, it wouldn't surprise me if ramcius were to flip scum. To me, he seems like the guy who's appearing to do something but when I looked into him, I found nothing of use. His posts just kinda seem like fluff so that when someone iso dives, there's shit there.

Also, I really feel uneasy about varsoon. I pointed out flaws in his 468 earlier, but his 534 is really irking me too. He tells Rational to drop the Mastina case because they must townread that slot, but delves no deeper than "drop it". Imho, providing reads and reasons in this state of the game is crucial because there's not much to work with since it's so early (that points like half-moot because we have 18 pages of fucking pre-game, but I still think that providing reads etc. is important here and varsoon is trying to deny their read for no other reason (that I could see) aside from him townreading the slot

Misrep my position via omittion more, please.

can you attempt to sound more pretentious next time please?

sorry that your activity strikes me as scum so I said something...?

is mulch like conftown now or something because his reactions to being sanic speed wagoned were not good and I expected a lynch shortly but no because there's another twenty fucking pages

-echo

It is unbelievably immature, childish and absurdly over the top rude to the rest of the players and even more so to the people who put the time in to make the game.

Sorry! Don't really care. I'm sick of being wagoned day 1 every game.

then fix your play style, don't ruin the game for people.

You could actually play mafia instead of gamethrow when under the pressure of four votes in a large game.
Get off your self-important high horse. Take a breath. Realize this is a game for everyone to play, that the mod put a ton of effort into, and that selfishly throwing the integrity of that out of the window is against the spirit of the game and, arguably, against site rules.

If you're scum, though, die forever.

Haven’t been banned before and I’ve self voted every day 1 I’m wagoned as town. Guessing I won’t be now!

this isn't something to brag about... -echo

Okay I'm on page 38 but I go sleep now because I have a headache g'bye

-mm4

[ChikoritasInAction]

[quote="In post 1654, Ramcius"
Again, reaction test, to see who would come after, when i will ignore that weak case of CiA on me
[/quote]
what...? if someone came after you for it what did you want to do about it?

-mm4

[ChikoritasInAction]

Again, reaction test, to see who would come after, when i will ignore that weak case of CiA on me

what...? if someone came after you for it what did you want to do about it?

-mm4

i am a failure

[ChikoritasInAction]

Again, reaction test, to see who would come after, when i will ignore that weak case of CiA on me

what...? if someone came after you for it what did you want to do about it?

-mm4

i am a failure

are you townreading me now?

No. Can you answer my question please- since that was a reaction test, what was your planned reaction when someone "fell for it" (i.e came after you for it)?

[ChikoritasInAction]

Again, reaction test, to see who would come after, when i will ignore that weak case of CiA on me

what...? if someone came after you for it what did you want to do about it?

-mm4

i am a failure

are you townreading me now?

No. Can you answer my question please- since that was a reaction test, what was your planned reaction when someone "fell for it" (i.e came after you for it)?

I can't, i don't know about you, but i can't anticipate all possible reactions, so i have react on the fly, when someone fell for it as you said

Okay, but like, why did you even do the reaction test thing in the first place?

[ChikoritasInAction]

NAH I'M BACK FROM THE DEAD FUCKERS

in reality, I've been moving for the past few days so shits been a little hectic. I had mm4 catch me up and it seems like there's like 4-5 people who are just wall posting/arguing like children which is pretty standard for a 22p game...

-echo the ghost

[ChikoritasInAction]

Some early stuff that triggered me:

Spoiler: From Chiky's ISO

For everyone

What would be your 3 favorite wagons?

What about go fuck yourself(s).

i like you. but you're probably scum. if there even is scum in this game...

So, in short, if you plan on coming after me, as either town or scum, you'll have to come to the metaverse.
That's all.

if scum is in the real world they can still kill you if you're in the metaverse so this statements just kinda unnecessary

-ryan

guys why do we have to kill why can't we just have brunch sometime together in the metaverse? i know this great place right off of lake ave that has

(yay i love sending messages that i don't mean to send yet)

that has the BEST french toast in the metaverse. i know the cook, he's an old family friend. who wanna go with me sometime?

-ryan/echo

Actually, I'm pretty sure I figured out a way that we could break the game and confirm every Phantom Thief.
Part of the Phantom Thief role PM tells me who Akira Kurusu is.
If, somehow, we could all claim at the same time, who Akira is, we could immediately confirm all the Phantom Thieves.
Of course, that level of cooperation and getting everyone to post at the exact same time so scum can't just copy+paste and sneak in would be nearly impossible.
I also though that maybe when we run someone to L-1, they could claim and also claim who they think Akira is, but if scum somehow know Akira's identity (But they shouldn't otherwise this game design gets real dumb), we could confirm out people before lynching them.
Of course, that does out Akira, who seems to be our most useful PR or something.

I see ZERO benefit to this... you say that Akira is our most useful pr but you previously say that you know who Akira is which means you're hunting for prs, and the fact that you want people to say their Akira suspect furthers my point

Basically, Chikorita's got a lot of focus/clarity on the real world/metaverse and how killing works between the two, but doesn't know who Akira is.
The only people who should have such a focus on the metaverse early are people who can go there, and, as far as I am aware, that's limited to Phantom Thieves and Scum.
As far as we are aware, though, the Phantom Thieves know the existence of Akira.

See how quickly Chikorita spins my play into PR hunting?

This all just doesn't seem to come from a town slot.

those posts are 2x echo shitposting with game mechanics flavour and 1x echo responding to your post lol

[ChikoritasInAction]

VOTE: Chikorita'sInaction

tell me one thing that you have done in this game that matters on any level

[ChikoritasInAction]

why has there been so much speculation as to morgana's identity

[ChikoritasInAction]

VOTE: Chikoritas

why

[ChikoritasInAction]

Speaking of Yume, that lynchproof skill seems final bossy to me, just saying

Speaking of bosses holy shit I've died probably ten times already!

tbh this is kinda bad

this post was brought to you by mario maniac four as were the last few posts

[ChikoritasInAction]

that's not actively doing something and there is no evidence to support it, try again

[ChikoritasInAction]

i like this wagon a lot now. pile onto Chikoritas scum.

VOTE: Chikoritas

why

[ChikoritasInAction]

i believe i explained why i voted you already. i don't townread you and i townread Varsoon.

okay, so why don't you townread me and why do you townread Varsoon?[/quote]

i like the wagon now because of how you've reacted to it.

Why does how I've reacted to it indicate that we're scum?

[ChikoritasInAction]

that's not actively doing something and there is no evidence to support it, try again

The implication was that you've done fuck all too, aside from pick your role.

So why the fuck are you voting me for having the same involvement that you have?

[ChikoritasInAction]

VOTE: Chikorita'sInaction

if this isn't it then what is it

[ChikoritasInAction]

that's not actively doing something and there is no evidence to support it, try again

The implication was that you've done fuck all too, aside from pick your role.

So why the fuck are you voting me for having the same involvement that you have?

he's had more involvement than you

as it happens that opinion is completely fucking irrelevant

[ChikoritasInAction]

ftr I would be ok with a hypothetical Kise wagon.

you seem okay with a lot of different wagons

-echo

[ChikoritasInAction]

ftr I would be ok with a hypothetical Kise wagon.

Some early stuff that triggered me:

Spoiler: From Chiky's ISO

For everyone

What would be your 3 favorite wagons?

What about go fuck yourself(s).

i like you. but you're probably scum. if there even is scum in this game...

So, in short, if you plan on coming after me, as either town or scum, you'll have to come to the metaverse.
That's all.

if scum is in the real world they can still kill you if you're in the metaverse so this statements just kinda unnecessary

-ryan

guys why do we have to kill why can't we just have brunch sometime together in the metaverse? i know this great place right off of lake ave that has

(yay i love sending messages that i don't mean to send yet)

that has the BEST french toast in the metaverse. i know the cook, he's an old family friend. who wanna go with me sometime?

-ryan/echo

Actually, I'm pretty sure I figured out a way that we could break the game and confirm every Phantom Thief.
Part of the Phantom Thief role PM tells me who Akira Kurusu is.
If, somehow, we could all claim at the same time, who Akira is, we could immediately confirm all the Phantom Thieves.
Of course, that level of cooperation and getting everyone to post at the exact same time so scum can't just copy+paste and sneak in would be nearly impossible.
I also though that maybe when we run someone to L-1, they could claim and also claim who they think Akira is, but if scum somehow know Akira's identity (But they shouldn't otherwise this game design gets real dumb), we could confirm out people before lynching them.
Of course, that does out Akira, who seems to be our most useful PR or something.

I see ZERO benefit to this... you say that Akira is our most useful pr but you previously say that you know who Akira is which means you're hunting for prs, and the fact that you want people to say their Akira suspect furthers my point

Basically, Chikorita's got a lot of focus/clarity on the real world/metaverse and how killing works between the two, but doesn't know who Akira is.
The only people who should have such a focus on the metaverse early are people who can go there, and, as far as I am aware, that's limited to Phantom Thieves and Scum.
As far as we are aware, though, the Phantom Thieves know the existence of Akira.

See how quickly Chikorita spins my play into PR hunting?

This all just doesn't seem to come from a town slot.

those posts are 2x echo shitposting with game mechanics flavour and 1x echo responding to your post lol

oh hey I didn't know varsoons post existed. who ever said that I didn't know who Akira was? are you my ex because you're jumping to conclusions like a mf

-echo

[ChikoritasInAction]

what are you doing that is so useful ramcius?

not targeting anyone in particular, it's just nothing really worth while is going on in this game... it just kinda consists of "hey guy x is scum" "no I'm guy x and I'm not scum "" Oh okay guy y is scum" rinse and fucking repeat

[ChikoritasInAction]

That's what my active ability is. If anyone has six or more votes on their person, I can execute them in an awesome fashion. That's why I said I can't be lynched once, cos even if you get me in lynch range, I can escape getting lynched once by executing someone.

why in the fuck are you claiming this, how does this make you lynchproof, you're this on top of a miller?

It makes me lynchproof once by negating my own lynch and making someone else be the lynch instead and go into night. Even if I lynch you afterwards, I still get to escape lynch once with this ability and therefore, I am a 1-shot lynchproof.

As for why I claimed it, it's for damage control.

you're not really lynch proof, you're only lynch proof if there's a second major wagon with 6+ votes. also, that's not how I ever would have imagined using that role, so props to you for creativity

-echo

[ChikoritasInAction]

what are you doing that is so useful ramcius?

not targeting anyone in particular, it's just nothing really worth while is going on in this game... it just kinda consists of "hey guy x is scum" "no I'm guy x and I'm not scum "" Oh okay guy y is scum" rinse and fucking repeat

so make something useful go on. if famous is gonna threaten to policy lynch someone being more productive than him for bring unproductive I'm gonna call that bull out

that's the issue at this point, there's 22 fucking people so no matter what you say someone's going to go all fucking REEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEE no matter what someone says so you can't actually get anything accomplished

[ChikoritasInAction]

why is that different than any large? I'm having a really hard time seeing your argument

it wasn't an argument for anything, so that would be why you're having trouble seeing my argument

[ChikoritasInAction]

[spoiler="Idk if I'm doing this spoiler right]][/spoiler][/spoiler]

why is that different than any large? I'm having a really hard time seeing your argument

VOTE: ramcius

i want your wagon

why?

I don't mind cutting dead weight D1 in big games even if they have green role card

Did i upset you for calling your buddy dead weight? Sorry not sorry, was fun to talk to ya, see ya around

what exactly are you doing that makes you not dead weight? your awesome popins such as "pn and rn might be staged" and "do I need to policy lynch you again"? threatening to pl a person who's posting more than you?

do you really want go down this road? your attack on my post count shows how little you understand in FM, so how about we stop here?

if I was voting you for post count I would be voting yume. I don't know what FM is jsyk

do i have become Math and put your nose in your own posts? You literally pointed out i have less posts than Mulch

FM is forum mafia, the very thing we are in

If you want to get personal pm me after the game and I can show you exactly why I'm leagues better than you are or ever will be. Theres no point bringing that up in a game when we have wincons and its a distraction. But sure, I don't understand FM.

Why don't you show me exactly what you're seeing? What im seeing is a dumbass who refuses to give reads and attacks other players for doing exactly what you're doing. Also, I think you're town.


VOTE: kise

[/spoiler]

HURT: purple nurple

it seems like you're voting for personal reasons against who kise really is, not who kise is in the game

-echo

[ChikoritasInAction]

why is that different than any large? I'm having a really hard time seeing your argument

VOTE: ramcius

i want your wagon

why?

I don't mind cutting dead weight D1 in big games even if they have green role card

Did i upset you for calling your buddy dead weight? Sorry not sorry, was fun to talk to ya, see ya around

what exactly are you doing that makes you not dead weight? your awesome popins such as "pn and rn might be staged" and "do I need to policy lynch you again"? threatening to pl a person who's posting more than you?

do you really want go down this road? your attack on my post count shows how little you understand in FM, so how about we stop here?

if I was voting you for post count I would be voting yume. I don't know what FM is jsyk

do i have become Math and put your nose in your own posts? You literally pointed out i have less posts than Mulch

FM is forum mafia, the very thing we are in

If you want to get personal pm me after the game and I can show you exactly why I'm leagues better than you are or ever will be. Theres no point bringing that up in a game when we have wincons and its a distraction. But sure, I don't understand FM.

Why don't you show me exactly what you're seeing? What im seeing is a dumbass who refuses to give reads and attacks other players for doing exactly what you're doing. Also, I think you're town.


VOTE: kise

wait retract that I have to be more careful, that's against ramcius not kise. my b.

-echo

[ChikoritasInAction]

wow my posts are fifty shades of fucked up sorry

[ChikoritasInAction]

because everyone's bickering "blah blah blah you're not doing anything in this game blah " but nobody is actually doing much of anything

[ChikoritasInAction]

it's a shitty/invalid excuse for a "scum read" at this point

[ChikoritasInAction]

that's not actively doing something and there is no evidence to support it, try again

The implication was that you've done fuck all too, aside from pick your role.

So why the fuck are you voting me for having the same involvement that you have?

Not a fan of this reaction, although I don't really think Chika and Smocaine's content are comparable.

I am Ann Takamaki. Davezsaz is Akiru. I am one of the phantom thieves which means that I can travel from the metaverse to the real world back and forth, and I went into the metaverse pre game cause it seemed cool. I'm a role cop in the real world and a self watcher in the metaverse.

VOTE: Mulch
fuck off

I'm also not a fan of this reaction, but mostly since I don't understand what illicited such a strong reaction to that Mulch post.

i also don't really like 592, 595, 599

Can you elaborate more on why you didn't like these posts from Ram?

Can you also elaborate on what about Ram's push on Creature you disliked (there seems to be some context missing that I would need to make assumptions for in order to fill the gap, but I'd like to hear it based on your own words first)?

Actually, I'm pretty sure I figured out a way that we could break the game and confirm every Phantom Thief.
Part of the Phantom Thief role PM tells me who Akira Kurusu is.
If, somehow, we could all claim at the same time, who Akira is, we could immediately confirm all the Phantom Thieves.
Of course, that level of cooperation and getting everyone to post at the exact same time so scum can't just copy+paste and sneak in would be nearly impossible.
I also though that maybe when we run someone to L-1, they could claim and also claim who they think Akira is, but if scum somehow know Akira's identity (But they shouldn't otherwise this game design gets real dumb), we could confirm out people before lynching them.
Of course, that does out Akira, who seems to be our most useful PR or something.

I see ZERO benefit to this... you say that Akira is our most useful pr but you previously say that you know who Akira is which means you're hunting for prs, and the fact that you want people to say their Akira suspect furthers my point

Quality Posting.

Also, I really feel uneasy about varsoon. I pointed out flaws in his 468 earlier, but his 534 is really irking me too. He tells Rational to drop the Mastina case because they must townread that slot, but delves no deeper than "drop it". Imho, providing reads and reasons in this state of the game is crucial because there's not much to work with since it's so early (that points like half-moot because we have 18 pages of fucking pre-game, but I still think that providing reads etc. is important here and varsoon is trying to deny their read for no other reason (that I could see) aside from him townreading the slot

I agree with Chika's points regarding 468, and can kinda see where 534 is coming from (although it's kinda meh).

Overall, while I don't agree with some of Chika's opinions, I'm not getting a scum vibe from this slot.

was a while ago but didnt like how he was basically saying "this is my reasoning for voting them, but that doesn't mean i think they're scum, stop trying to make me justify that!"
in clash of the gods creature!scum was lynched for meta, and ramcius tried to twist that into "creature was called town by meta in clash of the gods!"

[ChikoritasInAction]

was a while ago but didnt like how he was basically saying "this is my reasoning for voting them, but that doesn't mean i think they're scum, stop trying to make me justify that!"
in clash of the gods creature!scum was lynched for meta, and ramcius tried to twist that into "creature was called town by meta in clash of the gods!"

again you with same argument, fine, i'll answer, since you forgot so0me things - Creature was lynched D3, i wanted his head D1, got answer about his meta, hope you remember i replaced out D1 from game, so you pushing this over and over as only argument against me is getting old

i'm not actually pushing you, i'm not rly sure of anything rn, but brian asked me why i was scumreading you

[ChikoritasInAction]

i'm not even going to try to read mulch at any point

where is everyone's favourite penguin at

[ChikoritasInAction]

Not to mention, Mulch gave warning posts that it wasn't a good idea to push his direction, and people pushed him anyway.

do you think people should have refrained from pushing mulch because of this?

[ChikoritasInAction]

Actually, Mulch, what defense would you have if I outed Akira first?

Varsoon, when you made this post, were you seriously considering doing this?

[ChikoritasInAction]

Oh, hey, a VC.

VOTE: Smocaine

why

[ChikoritasInAction]

Millers don't always give false results to alignment cops.

what

[ChikoritasInAction]

i'm really not interested in lynching yume today

i would like this though
VOTE: PenguinPower

[ChikoritasInAction]

his entire iso is basically just flavour speculation and when he catches up after like eight days of absence he doesn't actually post anything

[ChikoritasInAction]

his entire iso is basically just flavour speculation and when he catches up after like eight days of absence he doesn't actually post anything

so, you want PL lurker over scummy slots?

no

his entire iso is basically just flavour speculation and when he catches up after like eight days of absence he doesn't actually post anything

Not sure how many times I've said this, but let me make it very clear. The only reason I am in a large theme game is because I love the flavor, and it is expressly indicated that flavor is alignment indicative. Discussing flavor in this game, unlike many,

is

helpful.

sure, flavour is alignment indicative. however, scum will obviously have fakeclaims so claims are not alignment indicative just because of their flavour, apart from akira and morgana because they are conftown in op.
even if flavour is helpful- your content has basically just been 100% flavour. you have posted, but not any reads or anything of the sort- why is that?

[ChikoritasInAction]

hey mulch who is scum and

wait for it

why

Eliziberith is scum for reasons I told you. Lil Uzi vert WOULD be scum but they have good claim.Chirkotias is scummy. Chesskid is scummy. You are scummy. Maki and Kaito are scummy. Not chara is scummy.

Why am I scummy
Why is chesskid scummy
Why is Chikoritas scummy
Why is Maki scummy
Why is Not Chara scummy

Chikoritas is scummy though meta.

oh for fuck's sake

[ChikoritasInAction]

is it only me against lurker PL that gives us no associations? Cause i feel people really starting consider PP lynch

this isn't a good reason to not lynch pp. a LOT of scum lurk, and our job is to lynch the scummy people. associations we can get by ppl defending PP, but we don't really need them.

[ChikoritasInAction]

"town lurk too" yeah town don't post, they don't have time, they're disengaged w/e

they try, they post some content to try and get engaged, they don't use their time discussing flavour which is pretty obviously just an useless distraction because scum

will have fakeclaims in any game in which flavour is indicative of alignment

[ChikoritasInAction]

VOTE: kise
i like the leonshade case so w/e

[ChikoritasInAction]

"town lurk too" yeah town don't post, they don't have time, they're disengaged w/e

they try, they post some content to try and get engaged, they don't use their time discussing flavour which is pretty obviously just an useless distraction because scum

will have fakeclaims in any game in which flavour is indicative of alignment

i just don't see any reason argue you on this as no one is interested in PP anyway and we have 3 days left for lynch, so get on some serious wagon

sorry I forgot the game ended after d1

[ChikoritasInAction]

Purple, the Math head seems town. How can you guys not see that?

this is a bad post

cia and ramcius, are you guys sorting each other or shitting snark on each other? There is a very important distinction.

neither; i'm discussing my penguinpower scumread

[ChikoritasInAction]

what is wrong about townreading hydra head??

that's not my problem with it, it's how you're like "this feels town to me. why are YOU not seeing that, purple? you SHOULD be seeing that" which doesn't make sense because it's literally just a subjective feeling.

[ChikoritasInAction]

oh for fuck's sake

[ChikoritasInAction]

Kise is town and we’re gonna lynch him

[ChikoritasInAction]

VOTE: Kise

They are town

Why did you post this?

[ChikoritasInAction]

VOTE: Kise

They are town

Why did you post this?

To prevent a kise lynch who is town

Why do you think the post would ever prevent a kise lynch?

[ChikoritasInAction]

hey mulch, let me try something.

pp is scum.

[ChikoritasInAction]

are you sufficiently convinced? if not, why not?

[ChikoritasInAction]

mulch y u ignore me

[ChikoritasInAction]

Hi guys. Creature is probably like town or something.
VOTE: PenguinPower

[ChikoritasInAction]

How I knew Kise was scum off his first two posts I’ll never know

this is probably town.

-mm4

[ChikoritasInAction]

Just retiterating L-2 with me off wagon is likely to resolve to DEAD

so act accordingly whilst being wagoned friends

so what you're saying is become your best friend so that you don't hammer? /s

-echo

[ChikoritasInAction]

I'm p sure Chikoritas is scum btw

Same.
VOTE: Chikoritas.

is this still about our "push" on you earlier...

-echo

[ChikoritasInAction]

Oh I'd rather not reveal who i targeted

might just be me but since the start of d2 you've just been refusing to give information/making unhelpful comments about things

i'm not saying i want to know who you targeted, but nobody asked you so idk why you felt it necessary to reveal that you don't want to say who you targeted... (that isn't supposed to sound dick-ish, that's not what it's intended for lol)

-echo

edit: same with pp, you're not really doing much

[ChikoritasInAction]

See, I don't like how you put 'push' in quotes like that.

i'm tired i just woke up not too long ago and idk what else to put, it wasn't really a hardcore push, hence the quotes

[ChikoritasInAction]

See, I don't like how you put 'push' in quotes like that.

also, See, I don't like how you didn't answer if it was because of the "push" or not, instead just kinda brought up the fact that i put some quotations

[ChikoritasInAction]

i'm not saying i want to know who you targeted, but nobody asked you so idk why you felt it necessary to reveal that you don't want to say who you targeted... (that isn't supposed to sound dick-ish, that's not what it's intended for lol)

did you read the crier message?

not all of it, is it important?

[ChikoritasInAction]

Spoiler: Identity

My name is Ichiko Ohya, and I am aligned with (but not a part of) the Phantom Thieves.
I did not know the identity of Akira.

Additionally, I wish to

keep my identity a secret

.
I will pretend not to be Ichiko Ohya outside of these cryer messages. This means that I:
-Won't carry over typing style between main thread and cryer messages
-Won't carry over formatting style between main thread and cryer messages (and will acknowledge that this spoiler format has been used before)
-Will pretend to be reading my own message for the first time
-Will not change between I/we pronouns in the case of a hydra
-Will not claim Ichiko Ohya unless under duress

My goal here is not to trick the town, but rather to adapt so that the town does not have to attempt to hide me but can instead act natural.

Spoiler: Ability

I am a

Modified Motivated Modified Flavour Tracker Cryer

.
I am able to post anonymous messages at the start of every game day.
I am also able to flavour track somebody each night, but there is a catch: I flavour track my

target's target

as opposed to the person I target.
Additionally, contrary to expectations my role is not able to catch mafia on it's own. Explained later.

I intend to use my cryer ability to

reveal the role I uncovered

(but not who they belong to, which I do not have knowledge of without knowing who my target targetted)

Then, the way I see it, there are two different ways to use my flavour track, and both are worth considering:

Option 1 - I target

town's general consensus

, players vote (using the

fos

vote system if they prefer) on a player for me to target. This helps make sure that I am always on high priority targets (and ideally somebody who visits), but opens up the possibility of my target being roleblocked, and in extension me receiving no result.

Option 2 - I target whoever I want. This means that I also indicate who I targetted in my crier report, and more importantly means I can effectively

track the mafia kill

. If I receive the same flavour as a

player who died

I will know that my target targetted them and that they died.

Spoiler: Fakeclaims

There's been a lot of speculation on the weight of mafia fake claims, including whether a fake claim could be a phantom thief. Hopefully, my own role will shed some light on this situation.

If my returned result is on someone aligned with the

Conspiracy

, I instead receive their fakeclaim.

Fakeclaims hold significant sway in this game. It would be wise not to think of them as something mafia claims, but rather as what they're

pretending to be, in character.

I think it is possible for a phantom thief to be a fakeclaim, and for it to reveal the identity of Akira to the Conspiracy.

Spoiler: Location

I exist within

the real world

, by default. If I am removed from the real world, I will not be able to use my abilities.

Spoiler: Arcana

I hold

the Devil arcana

, to be taken if Akira Kurusu collects from me.
I do not know any other information about this arcana.

Spoiler: Target

I targeted

WhemeStar

. This player may choose to reveal who they targeted, if anyone, without claiming the rest of their role information to themselves.
By the time this message is publishes, I will already have received the flavour results of this players target, if any. As explained earlier, I intend to reveal this information anonymously through my next cryer action shown

at the beginning of day 3

.

LOL YEAH THAT'S DEFINITELY IMPORTANT LMAO

-echo

[ChikoritasInAction]

Eliz what could i tell u right now to convince u im town

why does their opinion on if you're scum or not matter so much to you?

-echo

[ChikoritasInAction]

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God of Control (Real World Immunity / Nexus): You are immune to all actions that target you in the real world, and you cannot be sent a Calling Card.

Any action except for killing actions that targets you in the Real World will be redirected to someone else.

Erasing from Cognition (Conditional Limited Phantom Thief Vanillaizer): If you target a Phantom Thief that is not Akira you will vanillaize them. They will know they have been vanillaized, but their origonal role pm will still flip. Upon certain events, Akira may become a viable vanillize target (you will be told when the conditions have been met). You will be aware if you sucessfully vanillaized someone.

METAVERSE

The Holy Grail and the Desires of the People (World Locker): During the night, you may target someone and declare a location. They will be locked in that location until you target them again, releasing them. If they do not have an action in the location you targetted them in, then they will be unable to act.

You win when the Mafia controls 50% of the votes and nothing can stop this from happening.

Please confirm your role pm by pming me your role name and/or posting in the thread during pre-game!
Gamethread[/spoiler]

Spoiler: Fakeclaim

The next generation will lead us into the future, and yet they have no plan for how to arrive there!

Oh great leader. You find yourself ragged on the streets, hoping people listen to your speeches. Which are really strong by the way. But nevertheless you continued to lose election after election. And you were apart of a scandal where your mentor manipulated funds for his own greed and put the blame on you. As such your reputation was ruined. But when you met the Phantom Thieves, they listened to what you had to say. And they aided you your campaign to help the country become great. And when they exposed the true villian, you had the followers you needed to establish platforms, which helped you fight against problems head on. And now, the time has come again for you to rally up and lead the country into greatness. Can persuade those to help your

Town

obtain victory, and emancipate yourself and your

Town

from the

Conspiracy

? Can you rise the spirits of rebellion to start a revolution that will make it's mark in time? Or will the

Conspiracy

overwhelm and oppress you till the end of time?

Welcome Kise! In the Real World you are

Toranosuke Yoshida

, a Fakeclaim.
You are aligned with the

Phantom Thieves!

PASSIVE

Your default location is:

The Real World

Arcana: Upon being collected by

Akira Kurusu

, you will unlock the Sun arcana ability for him.

REAL WORLD

Fakeclaim: At any time, you may send me an ability (or set of abilities) and a role name. If you do, I will make a fake role PM to the best of my ability for you using the given name and abilities.

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

Please confirm your role pm by pming me your role name and/or posting in the thread during pre-game!
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@Alisae, in the bolded area, does the "someone else" refer to a random player, or is there a set player that it would have redirected to?

idk if we have to worry about it anymore but it came to mind so ya

[ChikoritasInAction]

Eliz what could i tell u right now to convince u im town

why does their opinion on if you're scum or not matter so much to you?

-echo

bad post

k

[ChikoritasInAction]

VOTE: Varsoon
Hold on. I think this is important. Please don't quicklynch before I figure out if I am bring incredibly stupid or not.

[ChikoritasInAction]

VOTE: Varsoon
Hold on. I think this is important. Please don't quicklynch before I figure out if I am bring incredibly stupid or not.

I think your the only one voting him

I wasn't referring specifically to Varsoon.

[ChikoritasInAction]

woohoo updates

Scum are {Mulch, Kise, PenguinPower} + some subset of:

Yume
Chesskid3
Smocaine
Lil Uzi Vert
ChikoritasInAction

do u actually agree with elli here or do you just not have reads of your own because you got like half the player list missing for potential scum here xd

-i like toast

[ChikoritasInAction]

Oh, d'oh.
I'm a cop with a guilty on creature.
I also am a mandatory vigilante. I killed Yume.
I tried killing Creature last night but it failed.
I have an inno on Rational Numbers.

so you have 2 actions a night??

[ChikoritasInAction]

Well hold on, what result did you get on creature? He claims to have been in the metaverse and you claim to have been in the real world, unless your role specifies you shouldn't have been able to get any action at all off from what I understand

Okay, so
I have the following:
Passive of PHANTOM THIEF: If I target a player with any ability, I learn if they are a phantom thief or not
COMPULSIVE Night Kill: I have to kill someone every night.
COMPULSIVE Day Roleblock: I have to roleblock someone every day.

D1: I roleblocked Rational Numbers, at night I got the result that they are a Phantom Thief.
N1: I killed Yume.
D2: I roleblocked Creature, at night I got the result that they were not a Phantom Thief.
N2: I attempted to kill Creature, at daystart I got the result that they were not a Phantom Thief.

I've been in the real world this whole time.

nvm this clarifies

[ChikoritasInAction]

Varsoon, Elibereth, Brian Skies, Leonshade are all town I bet from studying how the wagons went

Creature is also probably town

Elli is dead

elli is certainly not dead, elli just can't talk today aside from placing votes.

[ChikoritasInAction]

also i think that crier is mastina and that's the role that they were complaining about in early d1

-ryannnnnnn/echooooooo/i like toasttttttttt

[ChikoritasInAction]

aside from placing votes.

No, he can't vote today either. I don't know why you think he can, a quick look at the votecounts shows 19 votes in play yesterday and only 16 in play today. Mulch and xreckonerx died, presumably elli's vote is also out of play

also i think that crier is mastina and that's the role that they were complaining about in early d1

-ryannnnnnn/echooooooo/i like toasttttttttt

Crier + flavour cop is a role that is anti town and needs to be lynched...? I don't think it matches up?

mm4 told me that he could vote so i just kinda believed her xd

and i thought mastina was like "woah this roles useless hahaha xd kill me this sucks" not anti town lynch things

[ChikoritasInAction]

Although I never said it, I implied that town should keep from trying to figure out who I am.
Tonight, I am reversing this decision. I want every player to provide an educated guess as to my identity, and provide at least a short explanation as to why.

Don't worry about me, provide your best explanations as to who I am. Of course, I will join in as well.

We already have one guess in. WhemeStar thinks that I am Varsoon. What do you guys think?

crier said this so i'm just putting out my guess as to who it is

[ChikoritasInAction]

hey varsoon, can you fully clarify everything you may have not mentioned when claiming what you have?

[ChikoritasInAction]

Hey guys! Fun fact!
We busdrove Creature and Yume N1 and we know we weren't roleblocked.
VOTE: Varsoon

[ChikoritasInAction]

Hey guys! Fun fact!
We busdrove Creature and Yume N1 and we know we weren't roleblocked.
VOTE: Varsoon

why did you select these two?
why does scum Varsoon lie about his true kill target instead of claiming to have been tampered with?
who'd you busdrive night 2?

Creature was because he felt like the kind of player nobody would target, and Yume because she didn't do shit? I would never even have considered using the action if it wasn't compulsive because generally that just fucks shit up.
I... really don't know? All I know is our busdrive 100% went through. I was thinking that Varsoon could have been mafia 1-shot strongman vigilante, perhaps? Or ascetic, because he would be the one affected I think- the mod said that it doesn't affect them directly, which was why the action worked even though Yume was in a different world to Creature.
We didn't busdrive anyone night 2.

-mm4

[ChikoritasInAction]

It has already been shown that scum can have PT claims, and players w/ PT fakeclaims are treated the same as real PTs I believe, so I don't see it as unlikely that Varsoon is scum w/ PT fakeclaim or maybe even a PT. I know literally nothing but what I've been taught this game about Persona 5 though.

[ChikoritasInAction]

We went to the other world where we don't have our busdrive.

[ChikoritasInAction]

Creature is 6th in the top posters list. He's confirmed town.

[ChikoritasInAction]

If you could kill any one player in this game, who would it be?

i'm going to take this as something for when this shitstorm is resolved one way or another;
maki and kaito

[ChikoritasInAction]

it's probably best to have dave kill penguin. if you're town, kill whoever. but like creature is always town with a postcount that's this high. when he's scum that number is very low and he has like no content. i can give examples of me doing this right in previous games if needed.

-mm4

[ChikoritasInAction]

Yeah I'm going to call bullshit on that one? According to Dave's role PM in the OP, only his alignment cop is enabled; Calling Cards are not.

[ChikoritasInAction]

Oh well I got that shit mixed up. Never mind.

[ChikoritasInAction]

No-lynching is something I would consider here if Varsoon's enabler claim isn't counterclaimed. that's probably a town ability. i'm not sure what fucked with it but we can wait to find out? idk

[ChikoritasInAction]

We are not lynching anyone until literally every slot checks in.

at least this didn't occur while we're behind i guess!

[ChikoritasInAction]

This is probably a good time to mention that if you targeted Alchemist21 or Kise D1, pretend you targeted the other one. Sorry!

[ChikoritasInAction]

This is probably a good time to mention that if you targeted Alchemist21 or Kise D1, pretend you targeted the other one. Sorry!

So you did two bus drives?

#IAmAnInsomniac

~~Math

Yes. One in the day (which echo and I both forgot about, so it was randomized) and one in the night. Then we changed realm.

[ChikoritasInAction]

VOTE: Varsoon
Hold on. I think this is important. Please don't quicklynch before I figure out if I am bring incredibly stupid or not.

this is probably writing on the wall thing or something

pedit: i have no idea what you mean by that.
and we didn't perform an action to change our realm.

[ChikoritasInAction]

@Cikoritas: I was townreading creature for the same reasons, but then all this bullshit happened and made me think he had to be scum because lol mechanics

actually didn't you try to kill creature the night before? chara might be like onto something here

[ChikoritasInAction]

oh right the guilty was d2 i guess that's kinda weird but

[ChikoritasInAction]

I don't want to vote Varsoon unless somebody counterclaims the calling card ability i think.

[ChikoritasInAction]

I can't actually bus-drive you tonight. I'm in the wrong world for that.

[ChikoritasInAction]

I'd like to see everyone's Creature read, please.
If you can back it with evidence, please do so.

creature is town because he lurks as scum always and doesn't as town always. this is the latter. i can provide some links if you want.

we're not lynching creature if i can help it. i'd much rather lynch varsoon (with the other option being no lynch at all.)

[ChikoritasInAction]

or creature isn't that good of a scum player?

[ChikoritasInAction]

here's a hint: meta is trash

here's a hint: i've already used this successfully in previous games so i really don't care about your opinion on this matter

[ChikoritasInAction]

VOTE: No Lynch

Extra-Special Townbloc of Happy Friends

ChikoritasInAction, davesaz, Creature, Ellibereth, Leonshade, Brian Skies

Candidates For Promotion

Purple Nurple, RationalNumbers, Ramcius, WhemeStar, Varsoon

Watchlist For Meaniness

Chesskid3, Chara, Smocaine

Wanted for Bullying and General Sad Crimes

Maki and Kaito, PenguinPower

these are my reads, i'll ask echo where he would put everyone.

-mm4

[ChikoritasInAction]

the busdrive thing kinda comes with a flavour cop thing

[ChikoritasInAction]

VOTE: Creature
yawn

our amazing clear strikes again.

didn't like these posts; the second post especially is kinda concerning considering maki has done jack-all to be helpful here and it looks fake

If you could kill any one player in this game, who would it be?

i'm going to take this as something for when this shitstorm is resolved one way or another;
maki and kaito

VOTE: No Lynch

Extra-Special Townbloc of Happy Friends

ChikoritasInAction, davesaz, Creature, Ellibereth, Leonshade, Brian Skies

Candidates For Promotion

Purple Nurple, RationalNumbers, Ramcius, WhemeStar, Varsoon

Watchlist For Meaniness

Chesskid3, Chara, Smocaine

Wanted for Bullying and General Sad Crimes

Maki and Kaito, PenguinPower

these are my reads, i'll ask echo where he would put everyone.

-mm4

You haven't talked about our slot once this game, where did this read come from?

There's also various reasons I think this read is really stretched/forced

UNVOTE:

Varsoon, that was a bad gladiate.

Can I get an explanation for how actions are lining up? Are chikoritas and varsoon counter claiming each other?

"There's also various reasons I think this read is really stretched/forced" on a scumread with no reasoning given LMAO

[ChikoritasInAction]

Yes, but not with the busdrive.

[ChikoritasInAction]

you targeted Yume and Creature with a flavour cop?

Well, not exactly. We targeted them with a busdrive, which according to Alisae doesn't affect them directly therefore we're not really targeting them or something. The flavour cop thing is an add-on to that, where we also find out their flavours (but scum's fakeclaims appear as their flavour to us)

[ChikoritasInAction]

it lets us go to the job center, get a job as a bus driver, and start working for a living so we can afford to move into a country with a police force and have them solve the mafia problem

[ChikoritasInAction]

i meant that we didn't target them with a bus driving ability. i mean now that i think about it we weren't actually targeting them with the flavour cop anyway, but yeah.

[ChikoritasInAction]

"target" as in mechanically- we weren't considered to be directly affecting them because the action doesn't really "target" them, it affects anyone who targeted them. i'm assuming that's what chara meant as it was implying we claimed to be not targeting them before.

[ChikoritasInAction]

announcement: i'm dumb. apparently our busdrive didn't switch the kill because varsoon and us weren't in the same world.