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Actually, the thing that immediately sprang to mind when I read that was the post restriction games, specifically Small Furde Guy who was a townie who powered up based on how many people said Small Furde.
However, I could see a similar mechanic for scum (or a cult) and as such I think the best thing to do is work out Thyroid's alignment before we commit.(10:50:24 PM) xcaykex: GODDAMNIT I DONT WANNA GET RID OF MY TENTACLE RAPE PORN
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The only reason I'm not quoting it here and now is I feel a role that powers up based on how many people quote works for both town and scum. Statistically, he's more likely to be town (and I don't see anything that makes me think he is scum at this time), so I may well be quoting the Ren Faire thing by the end of the day.(10:50:24 PM) xcaykex: GODDAMNIT I DONT WANNA GET RID OF MY TENTACLE RAPE PORN
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No, I was asking you how you could question the content in his vote post when the content in yours amounts to "X is scummy. Vote x"
Also, I'm curious about this. Just what do you believe I was being hyposcritical about?(10:50:24 PM) xcaykex: GODDAMNIT I DONT WANNA GET RID OF MY TENTACLE RAPE PORN
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This is what you said. "I don't like Thyroid's play" is equivalent to "X is scummy". Your explanation of your vote amounts to, therefore, "the whole fair thing". That's not explanation, and no, I don't see a great deal of difference between that and a simple "vote: x"foolinc wrote:I am not a fan of Thyroid's play, especially on the whole fair thing. Hopefully, some more pressure will clear this situation up.
Vote: Thyroid
And no, my vote on you contained much more content that your post.(10:50:24 PM) xcaykex: GODDAMNIT I DONT WANNA GET RID OF MY TENTACLE RAPE PORN
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Thyroidectomy wrote:
Also, as I almost forgot, I am selling tickets for a local Renaissance fair! Please quote this if you want to buy a ticket! I assure you I can help you if you help me! If we all go the fair, we can all enjoy the Renaissance!!!!!!(10:50:24 PM) xcaykex: GODDAMNIT I DONT WANNA GET RID OF MY TENTACLE RAPE PORN
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He's done so for logical reasons (even if I don't agree with him on stark, for example.) It's not therefore OMGUS.ZONEACE wrote:
he's attacked 3 people that are (or were) voting for him.Shanba wrote:He deconstructed scenarios proposing him as an anti-town role, he's built a nice little case on foolinc above, he's attacked stark - yes, he's been scumhunting and defending himself.
thats known as OMGUS.(10:50:24 PM) xcaykex: GODDAMNIT I DONT WANNA GET RID OF MY TENTACLE RAPE PORN
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I think jediknight's post explains Nocmen's role - at the very least, it's probably the one he designed. I can't imagine two players both designing roles with meeps. Although, as he said, it does not clear Nocmen, as it is possible it has been altered. It does prove he has a PR though.
Which makes me think. Someone else must know thyroid's role - presumably someone designed it. If that person knows what it does, they shouldn't claim it - but they should at least tell us whether it will help the town or not.(10:50:24 PM) xcaykex: GODDAMNIT I DONT WANNA GET RID OF MY TENTACLE RAPE PORN
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Hrm.mneme wrote:Zone: I need not explain myself, nor should the explaination be inobvious; I'm voting you for the same reason I was voting foolinc for, only moreso. Near as I can tell, you're the player who pushed Thyroidectomy's bandwagon farthest and longest; in fact, you're still on it. I don't think "logicless" means what you think it does.
And...opportunism? Going from a 5 person bandwagon that just grew to a 3 person (now 4) bandwagon? A bit omgusish of you.
mneme, your sole goal in life seems to be to protect thyroid. This seems odd. I also believe thyroid is innocent, but people are not immediately suspicious for pushing an innocent bandwagon, nor is it proven that thyroid is innocent. I don't see therefore what the basis of your vote on ZA is - do you think his vote on the thyroid bandwagon is more likely to be a scum vote? Cause I don't. The fact that he still has his vote on thyroid long after the wagon has lost steam indicates more that he believes what he's saying than that he is scum. Compared to foolinc, who just jumped on when the bandwagon was going strong with the excuse of "pressure", ZA's vote practically smells of roses.(10:50:24 PM) xcaykex: GODDAMNIT I DONT WANNA GET RID OF MY TENTACLE RAPE PORN
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Hey flea - way to ignore the whole bandwagons on Thyroid, foolinc and schismatised. Pretty sure they qualify as something else. Your criticism of everyone whilst saying absolutely nothing about who you believe is scum is noted too.(10:50:24 PM) xcaykex: GODDAMNIT I DONT WANNA GET RID OF MY TENTACLE RAPE PORN
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I have theories about Nocmen's role. I don't think he's scum. I think the people pushing him because of his PR are as bad as if not worse than the people pushing thyroid because of his PR. I mean, srsly.
Also, I got prodded. Where has my beautiful foolinc wagon gone?(10:50:24 PM) xcaykex: GODDAMNIT I DONT WANNA GET RID OF MY TENTACLE RAPE PORN
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nocmen is not scum, at least not for the reason jdodge is stating. I'm totally confused over Schism. Half the town is saying that he's playing like he always does, the rest is saying he's playing like scum. There's no real consensus so I'm just going to assume the case is mostly hot air. I still like my foolinc vote.(10:50:24 PM) xcaykex: GODDAMNIT I DONT WANNA GET RID OF MY TENTACLE RAPE PORN
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King Shanba will gladly hear the whims of his most tiny and uninteresting subjects. King Shanba believes, however, that the masses should listen to him, as he is king, and divine right of kings and all that.
Seriously though, please keep discussing, feeding ideas. I doubt the kingship will last long.(10:50:24 PM) xcaykex: GODDAMNIT I DONT WANNA GET RID OF MY TENTACLE RAPE PORN
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More detail on tss?somestrangeflea wrote:
Twomz's kill seems random.Shanba wrote:Alright, first things first, I'mma do something unconventional.
I want everyone's reactions to the kills.
TSS's death doesn't look like a "kill", TBH.(10:50:24 PM) xcaykex: GODDAMNIT I DONT WANNA GET RID OF MY TENTACLE RAPE PORN
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ok look.
Perhaps I ought to be more specific. I want specifcally reactions to the tss/schism deaths. I want people to tell what consequences they think they have etc. Yes thi has a point and yes it will be revealed before dayend.(10:50:24 PM) xcaykex: GODDAMNIT I DONT WANNA GET RID OF MY TENTACLE RAPE PORN
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Not exactly. But pretty damn close for a shot in the darkmneme wrote:Shamba: you're saying you "removed" tss from the game for today, marking him as scum, as an info gambit? But he can post, and isn't necessarily scum? Interesting.(10:50:24 PM) xcaykex: GODDAMNIT I DONT WANNA GET RID OF MY TENTACLE RAPE PORN
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The discussion was more distracting than helpful.curiouskarmadog wrote:why are you telling us this before you learned anything?
Thyroid: ZONEACE may well be scum, I dunno, I've lost track of things recently. All I remember is tss/foolinc being scummy.(10:50:24 PM) xcaykex: GODDAMNIT I DONT WANNA GET RID OF MY TENTACLE RAPE PORN
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Like, seriously.
Why are we executing Nocmen? I don't think so. We have one person who's claimed to have submitted this role. Therefore, any inconsistencies in Nocmen's pr should also reflect back on jediknight, because the only way he is faking the thing entirely is if jediknight is his scumbuddy. It doesn't stop Nocmen being scum, as it's possible the role is a scum one - but it does undermine any arguments against Nocmen on the basis of his pr unless you can see a good reason why jediknight would link himself to a scumbuddy day 1.(10:50:24 PM) xcaykex: GODDAMNIT I DONT WANNA GET RID OF MY TENTACLE RAPE PORN
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Oman - do you have anything of content to say?
Kscope reads vaguely town, looking back at his posts.
To all you anti-Nocmen people:
Was this true and does this pattern still hold? I want at least one of you (preferably jdodge, as he's the one who's pushing the wagon) to prove to me that this wagon is not being pushed on a false premise.mneme wrote:Well, let's see:
p1:
3 meeps posts from nocmen. Quoting him apparenlty doesn't count.
schiz mentions his name.
aimee mentions his name.
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nocmen talks normally.
nocmen talks normally
fl sez nocmen x2
twomz sez nocmen
I say nocmen
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nocmen talks normally
nocmen talks normally
nocmen talks normally
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I say nocmen
nocmen meeps
nocmen talks normally
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nocmen talks normally
thyroid says nocmen x2
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bamboo mentions nocmen x2
stark mentions nocmen
nocmen talks normally
nocmen meeps
avalon mentions nocmen
nocmen talks normally
tornado mentions nocmen
schitz mentions nocmen
nocmen talks normally.
Looking at every incidence of someone mentioning nocmen -not- in a vote and not as part of a quote tag (either b;quote="Nocmen"] or as the body of the tag), it does look like nocmen has obeyed the post restriction "must not post normally more often than your name is mentioned".
If Twomz were to turn out to be scum, I'd be a bit more suspicous, natch.
jediknight reads as annoyingly passive town, especially his speculation on the tss thing. Wooh, I did get some info. Belgarion's reaction reads town too (less so)
Nightson is in this game? Replaced Aimee.
Dislike this post.I don't like the Nocmen wagon at the moment.
The foolinc and schism wagons are better (I may switch my vote to Schism after I re-read and analyse).
LoE:Oman, Nightson. Possibly tss. Possibly Nocmen if someone can convince me (don't hold your breath)(10:50:24 PM) xcaykex: GODDAMNIT I DONT WANNA GET RID OF MY TENTACLE RAPE PORN
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Not when the people are being retarded.curiouskarmadog wrote:oh, we are still doing vote counts...well, put me down forvote nocmen
didnt like his play day 1...didnt like his assocaition (or lack there of) with schis.
wonder if the king will listen to the will of his people?
Oman, claimordie.(10:50:24 PM) xcaykex: GODDAMNIT I DONT WANNA GET RID OF MY TENTACLE RAPE PORN
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Read Oman's posts.stark wrote:Not listening to your people is the sign of a terrible despot, comrade Shanba.
Why Oman?
Also, I cannot for the life of me understand the attack on Nocmen. I'm not going to do something just because the people demand it if I don't think it's the right thing to do.
Perhaps I'm just mad with power.(10:50:24 PM) xcaykex: GODDAMNIT I DONT WANNA GET RID OF MY TENTACLE RAPE PORN
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Hrm.
I think I see the case now. TBH, though, I'm still ambivalent. I dispute the validity of
which I believe is a myth propagated by Jdodge. It is interesting that schis didn't actually vote Nocmen, but eh. He seemed to be following a policy at the time of sabotage Thyroid's ticket selling, rather than going after those he thought he could lynch.ANyone curious why his PR is not constant?
I also don't think it's obvious. I don't think 1 set of posts from schis is enough to cement anything. Idon'tlike the way he's rushed to me for support when it looked like I would help him out.
I'll add him to the LoE.
This is referring to the PR thing, which I'm still 97% sure is a red herring.I see no “retarded” reasons here.
The other thing that worries me is a few votes on the wagon that strike me as opportunistic.
LoE: Nocmen, Oman, Nightson
@Stark: General impression. See if you can find anything interesting that he's added to the conversation. Heck, see if you can find anything he's added at all. I also dislike a few of his individual posts, one especially seems out of place.
Oman: claimordie retracted. For a bit.(10:50:24 PM) xcaykex: GODDAMNIT I DONT WANNA GET RID OF MY TENTACLE RAPE PORN
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Eh.Thyroidectomy wrote:Shanba, executing Nocmen after being assured he was town, and even then to put Oman in your execution list, is highly, highly suspect. In fact, it reminds me a bit of pj's performance in Kingmaker II
I was not convinced that Nocmen was town. I was convinced that the only angle I saw people attacking him from, that is, the PR thing, was bullcrap. I'm still sure of that.
Oman has been on my execution list since the beginning of the day, and is still there. Did you mean Nocmen? If that's the case, then I clearly stated that if someone could show me a half decent case, I would put him on the LoE. Belgarion has done that.
Oman: Not atm. Investigating other possibilities. Keep in mind that you're suspect no1 though.(10:50:24 PM) xcaykex: GODDAMNIT I DONT WANNA GET RID OF MY TENTACLE RAPE PORN
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This was Oman's first post. This is also, strangely enough, my biggest issue with him being scum. It seems to me unlikely that a scum, especially an experienced player like Oman would refer to a scumbuddy like that in his first post of the game. Not impossible, but there's no real logical reason for him to do so.Oman wrote:Schism is scum.
I haven't read the thread, so don't take that too heavily.
This is his next post:
It seems fairly out of left field to me. I don't get it. This is his only reference to foolinc, and he doesn't vote for him, or indicate any suspicion, except to affirm that he agrees with me.Oman wrote:
QFTShanba wrote:Where has my beautiful foolinc wagon gone?
Shanba is win.
He then has a small tiff with schismatized, making some small point about how he thinks schism should be smarter than this on kscope.
He continues to argue with schismatized, but there's no vote - this worries me. (It's like the thing that Belgarion brought up with Nocmen, (with the same caveat that alone it is not conclusive))Oman wrote:
Don't put words into my mouth.schism wrote:so your condoning his behavior until you lynch an innocent townie and can figure out a reputable defense/scapegoat
I just believe that wagoning is not a scumtell on face value. I mean, my early play was wagon wagon wagon regardless of alignment.
My point about alignments is that if Kscope is on EVERY wagon, there is no connections to be found (i.e. rejecting a scumbuddies wagon).
Then there's the rest of his posts. He's not exactly posting frequently, so you'd hope he would post something useful in each post. But...Oman wrote:Vote Simenon
RazzOman wrote:(also lost)Oman wrote:Rawr?Oman wrote:Quick someone nominate him for "meep" title. [/sarcasm]
This thread is less interesting than site ideas.
This is also interspersed with casual defences of players. This is very easy for scum to do. He can state his disagreement with lynches on townies and get easy brownie points, especially when he doesn't but a whole lot of effort into making these defences:Oman wrote:jediknight, I'm sorta throwing my vote around as they don't count.
UA has two votes up though, so I can vote for as many people as I want?
Vote Nocmen, vote Nocmen
Its interesting, but nothing big until we get an alignment. I will review it later.Its a rookie mistake.
Then there's the Nocmen vote. One of the issues I have with the Nocmen wagon is just how easy it feels. Now, that does not preclude him being scum - it could be that his partners are bussing, or inactive, or lurking, or whatever. However, easy wagons always worry me. As to why I dislike Oman's vote:I just believe that wagoning is not a scumtell on face value. I mean, my early play was wagon wagon wagon regardless of alignment.
My point about alignments is that if Kscope is on EVERY wagon, there is no connections to be found (i.e. rejecting a scumbuddies wagon).
It's a very, very easy vote to make. For one, it's on a very well accepted wagon. His hop on it puts him in good company. For a second, we have the kingmaker mechanic. This means that his vote has no consequences - if the Nocmen lynch is a mislynch, suspicion falls on the king. And it gets worse, too, because it becomes a dilemna for the king - stark's comments are true, to an extent. If he ignores the people, then he gets suspected, especially if he kills a townie. It adds to the bulk of the Nocmen wagon and thus the pressure on the king to act on it.
Thusly I disagree with flea.
And thusly I think Oman is likely scum.(10:50:24 PM) xcaykex: GODDAMNIT I DONT WANNA GET RID OF MY TENTACLE RAPE PORN
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Alright - that's your prerogative. My goal has been to try and gather as much information today as possible, given I have control over what happens. Thing haven't really worked out, though.Thyroidectomy wrote:
I think it's perfectly valid for me to criticize the king. While I have supported Shanba through this whole game, I feel he is doing a terrible job as king.So unless Shanba wants to volunteer to execute himself, who would you like to see killed, Thyroid?
Interesting. I'll go have a look at schis. Are there any posts in particular you think are interesting?
Who do I want to kill? Two people.
First is ZONEACE, for his general apathetic attitude, his lack even paying a bit of attention to schis, and his bumbling right before my lynch.
TBH, I think I see your point, though Nocmen's reaction to it is just as worrying to me.The second is the author of this post:
This is indicating scum for me.stark, a bit later wrote:Well done sir.
Go for it.
I was on the Nocmen wagon, but seeing this has convinced me.
@Oman: Eh. Is that your claim? If you're going to claim, please do so outright. What bonuses do you get? (Something else crosses my mind - if you hadn't read the thread, how did you know schis was the biggest wagon? :\)
Thyroid - what do you think of Oman? What do you think of Nocmen? There's a reason for both of these, which should be reasonably obvious.(10:50:24 PM) xcaykex: GODDAMNIT I DONT WANNA GET RID OF MY TENTACLE RAPE PORN
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