Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

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Btw, maybe someone should look at who voted Nero Cain, there might have plenty scum there.

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ssbm/CK should go at some point.

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Let's play like PV isn't scum, if he is, he is already dead and not influencing the lynches anyway.

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Hey, Caesar, if you lynch scum, then you're very likely town, otherwise BoP.

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Oh no, Cloudkicker is scum

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Decided to wait you catch up first.

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Okay, we've got plenty town, now we need to find scum to lynch.

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CloudKicker

Sondam

No

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Oh nice, Gin managed to post 39 posts with absolutely no scumhunting.

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Also, I'm not confident to lock Alisae as town for some reason.

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The only players I'm unsure of in this page is Caesar and CloudKicker.

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I could get behind a CK wagon, but I don't want to abandon the Caesar wagon so early.

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Deadlock Town: vecna, nancy, LUV

Most likely town: leonshade, Cloudkicker, creature

Needs sorting; Nero cain, brian skies (this one is coming closer to town now), davesaz, Alisae, yuri

Needs bullit: mathblade

Probable scumlords: maxous, sondam, notice

Scumlords: GnT, Caesar

Yay good reads

(maybe not CK)

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Ugh idk, Caesar is a good wagon to stick right now, better than CK.

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Oh no, pages to catch up

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Is Gin scumhunting?

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Why are players refusing to vote Caesar? It annoys me when a wagon stalls, it's better to have a quickwagon on town than slow wagons all the game.

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Yeah, I could do Gin, but I think Caesar wagon is more promising.

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Btw, hopefully nobody's thinking about lynching LUV.

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Dave is also a good wagon, just not better than Caesar.

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luv maybe you might learn when you eventually get lynched everygame because you are a pain to deal with and cannot form single read that an be accepted by anyone in their right minds

What about you?

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I feel like Math, if town, poses no threat for scum if kept alive. Let's fix this.

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Let's no nolynch, okay?

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idk, Caesar is stuck at 5 votes and there must have 9 votes to lynch.

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Alisae
Nero Cain

Yuri

MathBlade
Leonshade

TheRealGin-N-Tonic

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Brian Skies

Caesar Wills It

Lil Uzi Vert
Vecna

CloudKicker
davesaz

Maxous

Sondam
NoticeMeSenpai

nancy

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Okay, I think I have solved this game.

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Even though I was paranoid of Alisae earlier, I must recognize that this is the way she's playing fits her Large 200 play almost perfectly, and looks pretty different from Hogwarts Mafia.

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Nero Cain is pretty much town, he doesn't engage in fights like this, atleast not this way, as scum.

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MathBlade made me paranoid at some point, but I think it was just paranoia. Titus was pretty town and MathBlade is her usual wrong self.

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Leonshade has been very engaged before and opposed my lynch hard when it came down to me, his reads look nowhere close to just busy reads.

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I am town obviously.

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idk how to feel about Drixx right now, but I don't feel like Brian Skies is scum oriented.

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Lil Uzi Vert is too engaged to be scum there. As scum I would expect him to post reads once a blue moon and try to rack a lot of posts periodically.

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Vecna same. PYP Vecna seemed low hanging and just trying to be bold. Vecna is being truly bold here.

Not to mention that his wagon seemed too artificial D1.

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I still remember the way Maxous attacked me seemed more like town!Maxous. Scum!Maxous is low-hanging and doesn't seem to have strong stances on anyone.

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nancy, well, first Spiffeh's replace out seemed pretty town. Second, I don't see her doing these pushes as scum.

She can look like some sort of MariaR, but doesn't feel scum tbh.

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That leaves:
Yuri
TheRealGin-N-Tonic
Caesar Wills It
CloudKicker
davesaz
Sondam
NoticeMeSenpai

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I get a feeling Yuri was town D1, just not enough.

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TheRealGin replaced Elbirn, who seemed pretty awkward.

The Elbirn I know is engaged, not just trollish.

TheRealGin's play here looks more oriented towards looking like he's being engaged.

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Caesar Wills It is just low-hanging. This doesn't look like the Pine I know.

I wonder if it's the problem of logging in the hydra. Still, if Aeronaut won't play, better just go solo.

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Also, the fact Aeronaut isn't posting here looks pretty incriminating.

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ssbm_Kyouko was very low-hanging, not sure if it's AI for him, still pretty awkward.

I'm sorta lacking CloudKicker's thoughts here, it feels like a confused scum CK.

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davesaz was awkward all the time.

ooba probably got scum hence why he replaced out, otherwise he could've had more posts.

davesaz looks pretty different from PYP.

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Sondam I'm constantly flipflopping. They're sorta low-hanging and I see they're struggling to look bold.

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I thought about adding NoticeMeSenpai for town for defending me.

However, I'm lacking JaeReed's presence, which is characteristic for scum!Jae. Unless Jae just plays as advicer, this slot is worrying me very much.

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Yeah, they're pretty low-hanging.

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Caesar/davesaz/NoticeMeSenpai/Sondam/TheRealGin_N_Tonic all make good wagons.

CloudKicker/Yuri are least likely to flip scum but are alternatives.

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Well, we must lynch some of them so their influence decreases.

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We could also lynch Sondam.

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How many votes are them at?

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Ughe

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NoticeMeSenpai wagon will have to grow more before I hop in.

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Did BaeReed ever post?

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Ugh, with the circumstances, I think it's better to stick with Caesar wagon anyway.

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Oh fuck, I thought this game was pratically solved.

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nancy existence is a problem.

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nancy, I recommend you to pick a good power role so scum must kill you.

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VOTE: davesaz

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Kudos to Caesar Wills It who managed to sway off his wagon doing absolutely nothing.

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Oh nice, your reds are all townreads.

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Ugh, why this game is still going on.

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dave's wagon so far is even better.

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And the rest is useless shit.

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He's different from PYP.

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idk, voting MathBlade? wtf?

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but I'd not cry if Math was vigged.

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Why are we trying to sort PeregrineV? We aren't even following his reads anyway.

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VCA became so common that I would look for scum trying to ruin VCA (which should be pretty common).

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VCA is a circumstancial read.

Always favor behavioral reads over circumstancial reads.

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Ugh, why I feel like we got some scum wagons around yet we keep going for the bad wagons (LUV, Nero Cain, maybe Maxous)?

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Specifically, the efforts against Senators Senpai, nancy, and yourself meet with Our disdain, as does lingering resentment against Our Person. The attacks against Senator davesaz also seem baseless, though We object with less vigor. We have no feelings whatever regarding Senator Cloudkicker, as Our investigation of him remains inconclusive, and We approve of incipient movement against Maxous and Leonshade.

We have given the criminal Vecna the additional scrutiny that Senator nancy requested, in light of her insight, but remain steadfast in Our judgment against the traitor. However, We recognize that perseverating for a conviction of the barbarian in this session is likely a fruitless effort, so we will lend the efforts against the scoundrel Leonshade Our blessing.

We fervently hope to elaborate on these positions soon.

VOTE: Leonshade

Leonshade is another bad wagon and Caesar's lynch choices pisses me.

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VOTE: Sondam

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This gerry isn't town gerry.

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2 days, 23 hours, 30 minutes

What time is today? Time to lynch scum.

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Also, Sondam townreaders are either scum or wizards.

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I don't see them being so engaged whenever they come in when they were scum.

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I'm not voting Vecna.

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Hey Nero, remember that we all agreed on Sondam?

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VOTE: davesaz

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Ugh, can we settle on someone?

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Is someone townreading Sondam or davesaz?

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If just very few townread them, then sorry, but majority rules here.

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I'm townreading LUV, why can't we come into an agrément?

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If you keep intentionally helping scum, we have the right to blame you.

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Why can't we come into an agrément?

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idk, for some reason I feel like LUV doesn't post that much as scum.

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Let's vote Sondam

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All they have is ghost resistance.

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If it looks like LUV or nolynch, I'll join it.

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But so far we have Sondam and I'm not letting them get away again.

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would you vote Nancy, Creature?

Would rather not.

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I don't want three mislynches in a row, we're already in a bad position.

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Spiffeh seemed pretty town and I'm not sure if nancy's attack then defense of me looks scum.

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Wagons should happen.

We should prioritize who's not trying to push any wagon, just lowhanging...

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Is Sondam pushing any wagon?

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I cloud do Cloudie, Gin or Dave.

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My vote's already on davesaz.

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Please, we need a lynch and preferably on someone who's just making us wait.

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Fuck, this is why the solution for large games is plurality lynch, otherwise town will never achieve a lynch.

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Please present you case against Senator davesaz, or direct Us to where you have concisely presented it already.

Present your case to townread davesaz.

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The only lynches you should oppose at this point are your townreads.

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We have 3 days left of deadline and I'm going to behave like we have 10 hours left of deadline.

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Who's voting davesaz so far?

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Okay, this is davesaz' wagon:
Brian Skies
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Nero Cain

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Whatfuckingever, Caesar, join a wagon. Stay out of a vanity wagon.

Anyone that stays in a vanity wagon is basically scumclaiming.

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I see davesaz as a wagon that's happening. What others wagons seem to be happening?

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Votes should be on wagons that are actually happening.

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If there are more than 3 wagons being proposed, we'll have to do a "small fix".

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Ugh, whatever, set already people.

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Which wagons would you want to join?

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I'm going to say this again. Town deserve to pay for their mistakes.

Two lurkers should have not been the top wagons for most of the day.

Lurkers are the reason we haven't yet decided on a lynch.

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LUV, vote with an actual wagon, please.

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davesaz wagon is made of:
Brian Skies
me
Nero Cain

Do you townread davesaz?

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I could do Cloud or Gin.

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Cloud, davesaz, Gin, Sondam

All my preferred wagons.

Caesar, Notice, Yuri

Alright with them dying too.

I might be missing or could change my mind about someone, but I'd rather have the lynch be someone from the above.

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Fuck it

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VOTE: Gin?

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Don't remember Elbirn ever playing trollish as town, I feel like he was trollish scum.

Gin looks also pretty comfortable under the radar.

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VOTE: Sondam

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Caesar, which other wagons do you support?

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Cloud - No townreads at all
nancy - Has townreads
Notice - Has townreads
Sondam - No townreads at all, however ghost resistance
Yuri - idk

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davesaz, you don't need to read everything. Can you say who you want to wagon?

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I feel like everyone must be townread by someone, and I don't really trust Ali's reads. Senpai so far looks pretty unengaged and if town must have no idea what's going on.

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Yeah, I'm not sure if we're all town talking here, but we'll have to force scum to join the biggest wagon and achieve a lynch.

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If you insist on a single wagon, you're scum.

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Who would you wagon?

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I proposed no lynch because any death will give us information. Whereas the lynches we were proposing earlier were essentially policy lynches and you can't really analyze those.

There's a lot to analyse with the flipflopping going around.

Seeing someone that insists on staying on a dead wagon? Congrats, you found scum.
Seeing someone willing to make a good lynch happen? Congrats, you found town.

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Okay, davesaz is towning now.

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There are a lot of wagons, it's like some of them must be on scum, so we analyse how each player felt about each wagon.

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nancy isn't even active now.

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Yeah, what would stop scum from lurking so their flip don't tell anything?

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If scum feel like they can coast to a large kind of LyLo (like 6:5, 5:4 or 4:3), they have a reason to lurk.

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Nolynch gives scum two deaths in place of town lynch. They'll just kill the two towniest players.

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We'll lynch everyday unless it's 4p MyLo, we have no confirmed town and no whatever thing that can give us a free mislynch.

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We need to check these ghost resistances against Sondam, ssbm_Kyouko and Elbirn wagons.

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davesaz, wagons you want, now.

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We aren't going to assume PV is scum, we're going to assume the worst case scenario where PV is just town and we have all scum alive, if we don't follow him on all reads, we must be alright.

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LUV actually mean't he expects the nightkills to give info.

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What about Sondam?

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We may have seemed to pick up activity, but it seems like it's all just a fight between LUV, Nero and me.

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Okay, Sondam is actually a promising wagon, let's fight this ghost resistance and stop this mislynch streak.

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I don't remember if I was the first to push someone (though I remember I pushed someone based on non-sheepy thoughts), but I'm the main pusher.

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Sondam is coasting, avoiding any engagement, Gerry looks pretty bad and for some reason their wagon is hard to push.

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If JaeReed and CloudKicker say you're definitely town, then I'll listen. Otherwise I'll think they haven't paid attention to you.

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Who?

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If scum took the vig wonder, it's probably scum that has potential to survive to MyLo/LyLo.

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Who?

Math

~Gerry

Too many pronouns. Who is saying what?

Gerry: I scumread someone who townreads me
Me: Who is that someone?
Gerry: That someone is MathBlade

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Damn, it's so easy to pick a person and there'll be someone who'll do everything to make them dead and someone else who'll do everything to defend them.

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What do people think about Yae and Nay? I'm feeling like Yae gives more info for town, but whatever.

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Oh btw, I know one scum.

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Does a roleblock count as a guilty?

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idk, there isn't any cop role anyway and tracker can't actually get a concrete result with a nokill.

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I still will most likely lynch the person I blocked.

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Okay, I won't state who I roleblocked for a while, for reactions.

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Something newbies do aren't always bad.

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VOTE: Yae

L-1

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Feeling like I won't do any scumhunting for a while, so work yourselves.

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Btw, someone must pick Leaning Tower.

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Wow, you people suck at scumhunting.

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I got another scum yey

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Get ouf of Leonshade.

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Their lynch was inevitable anyway.

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Not if they had claimed they had the tracker wonder

Wouldn't we assume they're scum who got tracker for themselves?

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Oh right, guess Transcend is KidAmn or replacing someone I didn't notice.

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idk, I literally said something like "oh look i'm the roleblocker, if someone with a pro-town ability is being constantly roleblocked, it's me"

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Only two players there are worth calling scum.

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Maybe three

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Gorkington is the only one I am not townreading there.

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I have a bunch of townreads (some of them I have doubts), but I hardly see any of Vecna, Nero or LUV as scum.

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Gork, Caesar, and maybe Brian.

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Never said I will block a protown player, I was stating that if I were scum, I basically outed my roleblocking ability rather than make good use of it.

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If you wish to check my meta, otherwise I won't be able to wikipedia article for you.

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Oh right, NoticeMeSenpai just comes here to keep defending three single townreads.

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Should I reveal my roleblock?

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Oh nice, nancy went from one correct red to zero correct reds.

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Why is CloudKicker town? This is going to be one of the biggest humanity's misteries.

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Also, I thought we were past LUV's alignment.

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Meh, Brian still town, just me still paranoing around.

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Hi.

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idk, I feel like you haven't been impressive.

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I'm bored again.

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Won't oppose Gorkington wagon at all.

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It's Gorkington.

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Elbirn was bad, TheRealGin-N-Tonic was bad, scum would probably think Gorkington would get a free pass for recently replacing in.

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How many votes he is at?

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VOTE: Gorkington

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Scum = Scum happy

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So I didn't let scum get it.

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I told ya I would lynch my rb target regardless.

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Still think Gorkington is hella scummy.

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I don't really understand why Leonshade is scum.

What's your meta analysis on him?

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VOTE: Gorkington

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UNVOTE:

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Why is Caesar town again?

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Why is NoticeMeSenpai constantly scumread yet not touched at all?

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Anyone's familiar with CloudKicker?

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Also, why is Leonshade scum? I find his engagement earlier towny.

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Wasn't WWE multiball?

Leonshade is tonally different from all his Town games.

Out of tone, why?

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The way I see it right now:

If Glork flips town, Creature gets lynched tomorrow
If Leon flips town, one of Cloud or Glork get lynched tomorrow
If Ceasar flips town, nothing learned
If Dave flips town, nothing learned
If I'm lynched, nothing is learned

Ugh, we're likely going to lose.

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Ugh, mastina isn't analysing or anything. This is very weird and makes me think she's scum.