Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

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Like I said read a Mafia dictionary.
Because what you said there is an arrogant person. Whether arrogant Town (correct) or arrogant scum must be determined by townies reading the posts.

@nancy why do you townread Elbirin?

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However if I get run up and mislynched while AFK I understand that it has just been a brutal two weeks IRL.

AtE

Never said I don't.

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Don't give me "activity"

Creature is actively trying to change that meta of his.

Activity was my previous townread on you, though activity isn't AI anymore for you.

This is misdirection. Fro99er's comment is about

Creature's meta

. Creature's response is about

his Fro99er read

.

A quick scan of Creature's ISO shows lots of

opinions

but next to no

reasons

.
VOTE: Creature
This is scum. I can't tell if he's scum with Yuri trying to derail, or just scum who got caught in a horrible opinion shift.

My vote may still be for hire to complete the Yuri wagon, after I analyze that slot to find out if it's really scum or not.

This feels wrong. Gut.
Nero feels wrong. Gut.
nancy feels wrong. Gut.

Yeah reasons at one am are hard on a phone. Deal with it.

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Elbirn is obvtown. Read any of his posts. It's just Town.

I just don't. :/ Shit like that doesn't help.

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I'm just kind of feeling defeated from ABR flipping town. I don't really know where to go from here.

This feels wrong too. I feel defeated but LUV hasn't expressed similar defeatedness in other games with him. Especially open 665.

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Also I was pretty sure Alisae was talking about building hanging gardens/mausoleum D1 because they were actually building statue of Zeus and wanted to be shot at because they potentially had gardens. When he voted post-claim on ABR I took it as a cc (didn't say anything because I was playing along with the deception).

I talked to Spiffeh (I think, maybe it was someone else) D1 about how him talking about his wonders might just be wifom, can pull quotes if needed, but that WIFOM is the above one I thought he was pulling.

PereV having Pyramids threw me for another loop because I was pretty sure Spiffeh had it and they replaced because they were mad math was trying to PoE who had the wonder by getting everyone else to say no.

I think he did try to crumb it but I don't think math picked up what was serious and what was jokes during his joke claiming. Math wasn't shot last night anyways so I think scum either have a doctor or the vig, unless the town vig didnt shoot math.

Maybe they saved their shot because they wanted the pyramids to claim before they shot math

Scum would have shot someone.

Based on PV being Pyramids either I was shot by Town and scum Doctor healed because they realized how confused I am or scum shot PV and Town shot me and some Town derped and healed me.

If Town actually shot PV?? Why??? Then that means the scum shot was healed.

I don't see a world where scum don't shoot.

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There did what I can sleeping now. Willreread when I can.

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Good conversation Aslan..

I still strongly think A&N is town but if A&N is scum it is probably with nancy due to this post.

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Have we settled on scum?

Or is MathBlade gonna lead town to more mislynches?

I don't like Creature either. This is bad.
Already said I am taking a back seat while I reread.
I lead one (ABR) whom Titus and I agreed on.
I am rereading to try to get a better handle on the game to try to see if anything of what Titus was saying was salvageable or if I just restart with just my ideas.

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Still confused why do many are scumreading NMS

For me I waffle here. I think others because they are from Aussie and doing Melbourne Meet.
I waffle because I can't tell if NMS is buddying me or if they generally thought the same as me.

Vecna how have your reads changed given your confidence level pre ABR lynch?

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Back to

V/LA til Monday

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I haven't read anything but this page and it is midnight so tomorrow late read it is but Creature lynch would be good.

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If you've only read this page why is Creature a good lynch?

Alisae's wall and gut ping from earlier.

@nancy -- Nahdia will make you a PT for that stuff. Only reason I posted the VCs was to help people.

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VOTE: Creature

Leaving this here. Still think it is the best bet. Townreading MariaR.

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If nancy, Nero Cain, Alisae and MathBlade are all town, scum don't even need to be town to win the game.

What does this mean?

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When nancy is town I agree.
I just can't read her for shit ATM.

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^Town paranoia^

No that isn't.
I townread Nero for another reason but Nero does the above as either alignment.

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pedit you don't need dead scum, it just helps.

No no you really cant. scum flips make VCA without it you get nothing
it definitely shouldnt be convincing you out of a scum read that sucks and it makes it feel like the read isnt real
which is shit cause i was uber townreading spiff but w/e nancy

I do not agree with this. VCA is basically "these guys were on this lynch and are still alive so they must be scum!" I also do not think its a horrible assumption that the 5 players that were on both mislynch wagons could be scum or just absolutely horrible town.

All 5 no.
Some yes.

It narrows the pool

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It's better to start suspecting players that aren't being townread at all yet aren't being wagoned (ie NoticeMeSenpai and Sondam).

I townread Sondam.
Could do NoticeMeSenpai

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However Creature is probably scum so that makes me want to wagon Senpai less.

Blah Creature and Senpai is a 1v1 IMHO

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I am also willing to lynch LUV but scumread isn't as strong as before.

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If everybody I try to wagon is probably town, then I must be the only scum in the game.

Not the only scum but scum yes.

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DO NOT TRY TO PIN THIS SHIT ON GERRY WHEN YOU HAVE NOT TALKED ABOUT HIM AT ALL THAT IS BULL SHIT

Sondam is town. MariaR rarely curses as scum.

Can someone pretty please summarize anything here that is not:

X is town or Y is scum and I know better than you
Is there an actual case/reason anywhere?

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Sondam this isn't scum!LUV.
Sorry.

Do me a huge favor and towntell please

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DO NOT TRY TO PIN THIS SHIT ON GERRY WHEN YOU HAVE NOT TALKED ABOUT HIM AT ALL THAT IS BULL SHIT

Sondam is town. MariaR rarely curses as scum.

Can someone pretty please summarize anything here that is not:

X is town or Y is scum and I know better than you
Is there an actual case/reason anywhere?

There was lots of scum pushing ABR. Because he claimed a vig if nightkilled.

Ok assume this is true who?

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Since when do you use meta nancy?

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1) I am a They.
2) Yesterday I just went through interview insanity of speed interviews.
3) Today is followups.
4) Open 665 is a dejected scum game where I got mod confirmed as scum.
5) I figured someone who is actually reading the thread should have more say.
6) I am not dejected just fucking busy.

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Maxous wagon scares the shit out of me because it is all people I townread or buddying and it is on someone I gutread as Town.
Sondam a townread of mine has three scumreads and a IMHO derptown.

If I had to pick a top wagon I would go with Maxous but what I really want is some pressure on Vecna doe ABR to get clarity of Vecna's alignment.

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I don't think that sounds like a happy Mathblade ;~;

Correct.
I don't like being called things I am not.
If you want to be accurate call me busy MathBlade.

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I don't think that sounds like a happy Mathblade ;~;

Drop me some reads love.

Pedit Davesaz later. I was just checking in the AM.
I want to see Vecna pressure. Based on how no one is pressuring Vecna even though ABR was really confident in Vecna scum and Vecna confident in ABR scum I want to see that.
So Vecna top scumread.

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VOTE: Vecna

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ssbm, A+N, Nancy, Leon, Brian Skies

@Math who are the scum here?

If any nancy. I don't think any are.

nancy explain the vote swap to Caesar when you pitched a town block with them before?

Vecna that is a horrible misrepresent about why I think you need pressure. You were not a universal townread. However everyone's pressure on you disappeared. Same with Yuri. I want to know why.

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I mean like, I went to wizard school once:
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=70078
People like Math didn't really liked me.
So they killed me off!
Isn't that rude ;~;
/me pouts

I didn't kill you
You were lynched for buddying me and role being fishy.
Good win though.

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I don't think that sounds like a happy Mathblade ;~;

Drop me some reads love.

Pedit Davesaz later. I was just checking in the AM.
I want to see Vecna pressure. Based on how no one is pressuring Vecna even though ABR was really confident in Vecna scum and Vecna confident in ABR scum I want to see that.
So Vecna top scumread.

The fuck is this.

If youre gonna keep this up math we're gonna get rid of you.

If scum NK me great.
I am asking a serious question and I don't understand how it happened.
Either if you are Town Town/scum quit scumreading you -- why?
If you are scum then Town/scum quit scumreading you why?

It is a serious question because finding that mindset same with Yuri could help us find scum.

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I mean like, I went to wizard school once:
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=70078
People like Math didn't really liked me.
So they killed me off!
Isn't that rude ;~;
/me pouts

I didn't kill you
You were lynched for buddying me and role being fishy.
Good win though.

Apparently being roped isn't being killed.
and also I am BUDDYING you! Look at this post which screams the word BUDDY!
Have I sucessfully BUDDIED you yet?

I am particular about lynch/kill distinction Alisae.
And in Hogwarts yes you did here I think you are Town soooooo?

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Math was so certain i was bussing abr. So certain they claimed i was town for sure if abr was town.

And now im suddenly scum out of the blue because i "need pressure"?

Also, why me of all the abr scumreads eh?

My patience for this kind of nonsense has pretty much ran its course.

If sondam flips scum, math is gonna be the automatic autolynch the next day

I said it was a theory. All throughout yesterday I was trying to get a read on you and you are still an enigma same with Yuri. That many scumreads don't mysteriously disappear something is wrong here.

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2) Yesterday I just went through interview insanity of speed interviews.
3) Today is followups.
4) Open 665 is a dejected scum game where I got mod confirmed as scum.
5) I figured someone who is actually reading the thread should have more say.
6) I am not dejected just fucking busy.

As far as I know no one was hounding you for being inactive so I'm not sure why you are making a stink about that?

That is what was happening I feel.
I have a life took care of it and still am.
People are saying I am dejected for it.
I am struggling to form a reads base which is rare for me but dejected no.
I wish I had a top townread I could even Sheep but that isn't happening.

So I am trying to sort Vecna and nancy who if Town have the capability to lead it.

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Alisae -- Town
Nero Cain -- Pushing Town derp or scum
Yuri -- scum lean
MathBlade -- Confused town
Leonshade -- Town
Elbirn -- ???
Creature -- possibly scum ??
Brian Skies -- Town
Caesar Wills It - ???
Lil Uzi Vert -- Scum maybe??? Unsure
Vecna -- wtf??
ssbm -- Town by gut -- Will miss ssbm
dave -- maybe scum ??
Maxous -- Town by meta at start but is returning to Undertale voting patterns only if scum with Sondam.
Sondam -- Did town meta at start. Only way I see them as scum is with So dam which I find doubtful.
Senpai -- Buddying maybe? I wish I had a good read here.
nancy -- ditto

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Math BaeReed is town and so is nancy.
Also LUV is town because of Hogwarts.

Talk to me about Yuri and Leon and Maxous.

Yuri I am concerned about where all the D1 scumreads went.
Like not a single person put a vote on Yuri or asked about the switch to Beeboy after Beeboy flipped Town. Like people pressured for being counter wagon but no one seemed to re-evaluate the Yuri slot.
Same with Vecna.
All those scumreads disappeared.

Leon is town because of Leon's D1 play. I don't see scum making some posts Leon did.

Maxous is mainly a gut/vote thing. I see how Maxous plays in Undertale and it doesn't seem like that unless Sondam is scum.

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If all the people can explain why their scumread of Vecna disappeared that is one thing but not addressing it to me is a problem.

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Math I'm town, remember Open 665?

lol I didn't try reading 665 for reads.
I was scums who spedread for masons XD

I haven't properly read that game.

#hides in shame

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LUV's D1 play here reminded me of his D2 play in Hogwarts.
pedit: During D2? Nah everyone TRed him but then apparently I heard the mod confirmed Math as scum which sucks.

Yeah I was trying to go for derp cred which backfired when the mod said "If you do I am worried"

While it didn't supposedly change people's reads I couldn't risk it and had to stop a bus flip I was starting and push Fitz hard. It was bad. Didn't get lynched til LyLO as conf scum was nice though

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Like there isn't much differences between my town and scum play but if you really look for the differences, you'll know that I'm town.

Tell me some differences please so I learn.

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No I'm not telling my secrets

Okay you can be Town for this.

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Open 665 I want to forget between mod confirmed and starting last day early I couldn't use sob paragraph it just was blah.

Kinda wanna focus on this game.

Alisae your read on Yuri?
And assume you had only one cookie in the entire world and I has chocolate allergy and it is chocolate chip. Who do you give it to?

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Interesting. Why Caesar? Romans seem more like the we like meat to feed soldiers type. Women on the other hand love chocolate.

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Going to bed good night

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Math I think we need to touch base when we can. I had a craving for cinnamon rolls last night :c I blame mastina. Checked in with Levi due to experience.

Thoughts?

Then let's sync up.
Talk with me about Vecna and Yuri.
And why do you read them the way you do?

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Btw, todays wonders are all pretty awesome, and town should be competing for them.

People that skipped on wonders Day2 need to be submit-submit-submit mode, especially on the double cop wonder which is extremely powerfull (who should go onto someone that is not so likely to get NK'd)

Denying the other wonders to scum will also be important.

Getting the roleblock on a town would be very nice since the COP can just out then the next day with the result if the 1-2 docs are in town-hands (allthough id have to recheck on that scum investigative manipulator for an optimal strategy).

Denying scum the PR shield would also be strong, since town can claim it. We'll need a plan with this wonder regardless since its somewhat of a gamechanger. Getting both this and the roleblock into OBV-town hands would be very valuable.

With this many mislynches I am not calling anyone obvTown.
I have townreads but not to that level.

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Though TBF I sympathize since I'm not in an all that different boat. Like gut kinda thinks scum are in

MathBlade
Creature
ssbm
dave
Sondam
Senpai
nancy

But then I still think Alisae is saying absolutely fucking retarded things and that could be scum. Ceasar I could kind of see lurking it out but IDK, the whole "I'm just doing this for fun!" seems kinda genuine albeit anti-town as F.

Nero....Don't tell me you are scum this game? Your scumreads list gets worse and worse.
Like putting me in there is derpTown but this reads like a made up one.
You were pushing A&N like mad and now it is waffling and your ISO has no reasons why the others are more scummy than A&N (Alisae).

VOTE: Nero Cain

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Youre right about this though, wrt the yuri thing.

I already brought this up way back on d2. I think Yuri was a scum push and that's why the "scumreads" on her evaporated. As for why I'm not voting you.....I dunno. I had kinda felt confident on you the other day but there's just so much bad ITT. I know its not much of a

reason

but yeah....

Which pushes of Yuri were "scum pushes" to you?

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Nero...
Don't use the R word.
That's not nice ;~;

What is this in reference to?

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Honestly I gave up on civil discourse and gender respect a long time ago in mafia games but please keep trying.

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I meant it was in the post that ner-
Oh nvm

Scumreads Alisae and why?

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nancy gonna answer my question about townblocks?

The meta thing was me misremembering. I thought you yelled at me for meta usage but it was someone else.

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Caesar may be scum, he may not be. I'm going to wagon him to find out.

What question about townblocs, Math?

I tend to use meta in a particular way that isn't like other people seem to use it. I can use it a directly comparative way as well as seen recently ITT but I generally don't use it that way.

Originally you wanted Caesar in a townblock?
What changed your mind?

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No town block can be formed at this point to be honest. Game is in such disarray.

I'm doing what I can to fix that. I have Aslan and Math as locktown. You, Brian, Creature, CloudKicker, Notice, Vecna, and Yuri are TRs who I am willing to work with to get Town into a better position. This is enough for the time being. I believe we can get a scumflip today, but we need to get our reads in order.

Anyone on the Sondam wagon, why is Sondam scum? I don't have a good read on the slot and I don't have a good metaread on MariaR. Treat me like I'm 5, please.

Anyone off the Sondam wagon, why is Sondam Town? Same as above.

Why do you townread Yuri and Vecna when their wagons just instantly collapsed?

My main problem with the wagons given is the reasoning is because and I find the people who hop on a reasonless wagon suspicious.

Could you do Nero with me? His list just looks like the common wagons and hard townread people to try to create apathy?

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Yuri I am concerned about where all the D1 scumreads went.
Like not a single person put a vote on Yuri or asked about the switch to Beeboy after Beeboy flipped Town. Like people pressured for being counter wagon but no one seemed to re-evaluate the Yuri slot.
Same with Vecna.
All those scumreads disappeared.

tbh re: this im just
shit me too where the fuck
Alisae youre one of the people who dropped the scumread for idk so

this is a prod dodge lmao but im still invested just busy ok

...
When you are available scumreads and why please.

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Yeah Drixx was obvTown so unless Brian scumclaims I don't want to vote there.

Nero's question is ridiculous as to chainsaw I have to be scum so no one.

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Why would Drixx saying that he wanted to go after pyramids but didn't or didn't win it affect your Skies read?

Satisfaction cuz that's the only thing that's holding me back from voting that slot because it really seemed like an obvtown move to make.
Also Brian confirmed Drixx didn't get it btw.

Math what do you think of Brian hammering ABR?

NAI to me. That slot is Town purely because of Drixx. Brian's play is wholly unremarkable.

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No town block can be formed at this point to be honest. Game is in such disarray.

I'm doing what I can to fix that. I have Aslan and Math as locktown. You, Brian, Creature, CloudKicker, Notice, Vecna, and Yuri are TRs who I am willing to work with to get Town into a better position. This is enough for the time being. I believe we can get a scumflip today, but we need to get our reads in order.

Anyone on the Sondam wagon, why is Sondam scum? I don't have a good read on the slot and I don't have a good metaread on MariaR. Treat me like I'm 5, please.

Anyone off the Sondam wagon, why is Sondam Town? Same as above.

Why do you townread Yuri and Vecna when their wagons just instantly collapsed?

My main problem with the wagons given is the reasoning is because and I find the people who hop on a reasonless wagon suspicious.

Could you do Nero with me? His list just looks like the common wagons and hard townread people to try to create apathy?

@nancy

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so far i dont like yuris and leons tone

Leon is a townread.
Wouldn't mind seeing more content out of Yuri and knowing why people's scumreads disappeared. If y'all make me look this up Saturday I am gonna be sad.

Same with Vecna scumreads.

It would be so much easier if y'all just said why your scumreads went away.

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@Leonshade it would be 17-3 one for lynch one for NK and one for vig would be 14 in worst case scenario.
Then that would be 8 to lynch and 5? scum remaining that would be one lynch removed from LyLO.

Like we need a scum today.

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???

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Pretty much I want to figure out Yuri and Vecna and see how the clusterfuck of D1 happened and I want actual reads for wagons.
Is that too much to ask?

Like Yuri/Vecna/Nero should not be this big of a clusterfuck.

@nancy - If people genuinely quit scumreading Vecna then why wouldn't they say so? When I pressured him D1 everyone was like "OMG Vecna can solve the game with both hands tied behind his back and having to use diction software." Yet now no one communicates with Vecna hardly at all? Seems odd for a well regarded player.

How do you suppose I go about sorting those players when there are a shit ton of wagons that are more popular that are reasonless?

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Nancy scum could only only ever work with math scum. Like, faking that replace-anger just to get both slots townread or w/e nonsense scum wifom would be behind that.

And I really dont see the scum creature here. I have in a bunch of games with him so ive been trying to do some indepth reading on the nuances in his play.....to get better at reading him - but I just dont really see any of the scum tendencies in his play this game. I think he actually has to move up to the green portion of my earlier reads and I really dont wanna lynch him here unless someone can come with a killer case on the intricate details of scum!creatures play. It would need to be very very convincing for me to erase my impressions though.

Me scum period doesn't work.
Look at my prior scum games like Shadowrun or Gistou.
A primary objective is everyone having fun and active in those games.

Why? Because a known entity is easier to control.
I have limits and rules for scum games and pushing my sister to the point where she replaces out among other things she has said to me which I won't repeat is not my scum game.

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In Open 665 when a mod error confirmed me as scum I could have easily thrown a shitfit. That isn't my nature.
My primary goal is enjoyment when I play mafia. If you think having my sister insult me in thread and through Skype anytime I disagreed with her was "fun" I didn't.

And as for my play being different PYP was a loss. I am trying to step back and not lead because I want questions answered.

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The fact Vecna isn't following associations all the way down the rabbit hole is concerning and much different than PyP.

First it suggests that Maxous + me scum. Then it suggests I am only scum with nancy.
Then it doesn't ask if Maxous + nancy + me is a thing.

Furthermore it said it wanted answers to my questions yet it doesn't push those online about it or ask.
Instead the first interactions between Vecna and Yuri pop up and Yuri didn't answer my question except for that Yuri can't do it. That is sketchy as fuck to not be able to take the player list copy it and give a gut read.

Yuri is obviously keeping himself open.

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See, I kinda think the whole you and Titus fighting in thread was actually fake and its not like there's any proof to what happened on Skype.

I'm tired now but I'll make a bigger post about my feelings on Math later.

Do not go down this road.
I am okay with me being called an asshole but you do not demean Titus like that.

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Alisae, did you see that

it was in its natural habitat

LOL

Nero/Vecna/Yuri -- Alisae thoughts? Senpai thoughts? Oh and here is a sugary snack for the both of you because you are nice.

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Why do you think Caesar is town, LUV?

Pine has a bit of stubbornness to him as town and it's showing with him continuing to be in character.

That was a reason people scumread him before.

Why is it now a reason to townread him?

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Why do you think Caesar is town, LUV?

Pine has a bit of stubbornness to him as town and it's showing with him continuing to be in character.

That was a reason people scumread him before.

Why is it now a reason to townread him?

Maybe it was your reason?

Nope. Will look it up in a bit.

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I am okay with me being called an asshole but you do not demean Titus like that.

I like your

AtE

here.

AtE isn't alignment indicative.
Assume I am Town who is scum.

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Alisae Why do you townread Nero?

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Not touching today: A&N, Bee,

Caesar

, Drix,

Elbrin

, Frog,

Kyouko

, Max, Nero,

ooba

, Sondam, and PV

If you want to set the standard at "providing minimally acceptable content to not be lynched today", can you provide a sentence or two on why the bolded have made the list?

I've ignored most of Caesar's posts because Pine is just being purposely cringe and I want to see what the Aero head has to say.

Elbrin because his catch-up posts feel genuine rather than just rushed and thrown together to make it seem like he's been busy.

There is not enough content from ooba for anyone to want him lynched today.

Kyouko because I can read him fairly easily and I understood where he was coming from when he explained why he didn't want to be a part of the Yuri wagon.

- Fair enough, but hiding behind the pomp and circumstance of roleplaying when there are 80+ pages of content bugs me.

- Feels. Got it.

- At this point, maybe.

- What about the rest of his posts?

@LUV sample scumread from PV on Caesar for roleplaying and you townread Caesar for the same.
What is your PV read?

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There are others but I am phone posting LUV.

Alisae be more specific please.

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I am okay with me being called an asshole but you do not demean Titus like that.

I like your

AtE

here.

AtE isn't alignment indicative.
Assume I am Town who is scum.

@Nero

Pedit then how do you justify one of you townreading and one of you scumreading Creature for the same thing? Like how do you mesh that?

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Second paragraph is @LUV

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I am okay with me being called an asshole but you do not demean Titus like that.

I like your

AtE

here.

AtE isn't alignment indicative.
Assume I am Town who is scum.

AtE

can

be. Like scum will use

AtE

to gain sympathy. You aren't new so I'm not sure why you are pretending like this isn't a thing.

My accusation that you and Titus could fake a fight has like shit all to do with how I treat Titus so you just going

LEAVE MY SISTER ALONE!

seems just really odd.

Nero. That went beyond faking a fight and distancing.

My newbie game -- Taught a scum how to bus properly.
1800 -- Demonstrated perfect distancing
1841 -- When not to bus

Just like no.
You are saying that Titus and I shit up the thread well beyond what was necessary because to you we are scum.
A) That is so beyond wrong and B)
I subscribe to the rule of cool.
That isn't it.

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I have only lost ONE scum game here due to a mistake on MS. One.
The other I got scum strongmanned for being too townie.
One I replaced into a boned slot. Still tried to make it fun.
And the other mod error forced me to a losing strategy but I tried to hide it and make it fun for all.

And I am a They.
If you are going to say that Titus and I shit up the thread with fake emotions piss off. I literally cannot fake emotions.
So take your damn theory that insults Titus and shove it.

[MathBlade]

Now Nero answer my goddamn question.
Assume I am Town who is scum?

[MathBlade]

LUV It needs justifying because one of your reasoning has to be flawed. Whosever reasoning is flawed needs to re-evaluate all of their reads because they'd have faulty logic.

[MathBlade]

There is nothing wrong with the logic. What does his experiences and way of thinking have to do with mine?

Yes there is.
PV scumreads Caesar for roleplaying. You townread him for the same thing.
Caesar can only be Town or scum not both.

So one of you HAS to be fundamentally wrong in that read. Which means both of you should go more in depth on that to figure out which it is or discard it as something not alignment indicative.

[MathBlade]

It does. It suggests Titus is a weak enough player that she would come out here and say I suck ever three goddamn seconds the scumteam wouldn't fix us in that case and let Titus impune the quality of my character free reign as scum. That is what would have to happen in a Titus scum world. And that is attacking Titus's play, character, as well as the scum's play and character. There is no way Titus would say those things as scum.

[MathBlade]

There is nothing wrong with the logic. What does his experiences and way of thinking have to do with mine?

Yes there is.
PV scumreads Caesar for roleplaying. You townread him for the same thing.
Caesar can only be Town or scum not both.

So one of you HAS to be fundamentally wrong in that read. Which means both of you should go more in depth on that to figure out which it is or discard it as something not alignment indicative.

Something like that can't really be gone into depth about. It is literally your experiences with some role playing that determine if Pine should be scum read or town read for what he's doing.

Yes you can.
Break down the RP in a scum and Town game where he RPs which one is similar? It can be done. If frequency of RP is the argument go down the rabbit hole further. Show a game that makes you townread Caesar for it so you and your townread PV would be on the same page.

Seems odd you don't want to be on the same page and your townreads.

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Alisae be more specific please.

His tunnel on me is towny and his "I don't trust anyone on the mislynches" is towny.

Lol And what if I said I don't think so. And that not trusting anyone on mislynches is planned shade. I don't see anything townie about it unless Nero thinks all the scum are on the lynches.

I think Nero got bucket patrol scumreads.

[MathBlade]

Now Nero answer my goddamn question.
Assume I am Town who is scum?

[MathBlade]

Now Nero answer my goddamn question.
Assume I am Town who is scum?

[MathBlade]

MathBlade

Creature

ssbm

dave
Sondam
Senpai
nancy

pls be less of a derp Math.

This isn't answering the question.

It is a PoE Block.

[MathBlade]

Unless you are telling me that is the team something is weird.

PV is almost certainly scum for the Drixx steal.
LUV doesn't want to address discrepancies with PV.
Nero probably had bucket patrol.
Vecna comes around back side of Nero to try to give plausibility.
Yuri D1 lynch steer.

This list seems a lot more reasonable.

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The fact Vecna isn't following associations all the way down the rabbit hole is concerning and much different than PyP.

First it suggests that Maxous + me scum. Then it suggests I am only scum with nancy.
Then it doesn't ask if Maxous + nancy + me is a thing.

Furthermore it said it wanted answers to my questions yet it doesn't push those online about it or ask.
Instead the first interactions between Vecna and Yuri pop up and Yuri didn't answer my question except for that Yuri can't do it. That is sketchy as fuck to not be able to take the player list copy it and give a gut read.

Yuri is obviously keeping himself open.

Me not playing like i did while i was scum is worrying?

Also ill look into associatives when we have a scum flip, before its totally useless since it will just cloud my judgement.

Yes. Because in PyP you were in control of things.
Here you are trying and failing. The question becomes if just failing to do so or if you don't want it.

You were looking into associatives before and now say it is useless why?

[MathBlade]

Lynch Vote 2.20

Albert B. Rampage

(10):

Lil Uzi Vert, Vecna, davesaz, Leonshade, MathBlade, Caesar Wills It, nancy, Akane and Nebby, ssbm_Kyouko/Cloudkicker, Brian Skies

ssbm_Kyouko (6):

Yuri, Maxous, Creature, Nero Cain,

Albert B. Rampage, PeregrineV

Creature (2):

Sondam

Maxous (1):

NoticeMeSenpai

Lil Uzi Vert (1):

Elbirn

Not Voting (0):

With 19 players alive, it takes 10 to lynch by majority.
Lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-02-28 16:35:13), at which point we will default to no lynch.

Please request a PT from Nahdia for this. Or copy paste that stuff into word and spoiler it.

[MathBlade]

Me not caring to resolve shit with a town read doesn't make me scum lol

Kinda does actually.

Pedit: Not crazy. #hateTheShade

[MathBlade]

Unless you are telling me that is the team something is weird.

PV is almost certainly scum for the Drixx steal.

Except that's stupid. And now I'm a treestump.
And since I can't convince myself you are stupid, you must be Town.

As a town treestump, when I think I have caught Town, I can now post ad nauseum about how townie you are.

LUV doesn't want to address discrepancies with PV.

I'm here, let's hear it.

LUV and you read Caesar differently for the same reasons why?

Nero probably had bucket patrol.
Vecna comes around back side of Nero to try to give plausibility.
Yuri D1 lynch steer.

This list seems a lot more reasonable.

Town says what?

Ftfy.

And bucket patrol is when someone attacks obvTown to try to see who doesn't like them enough to get them mislynched. You take a bucket of shit and pour it on a obvtownie to look like you are playing. Bucket patrol. I had that in 1841.

[MathBlade]

8174
Math I think the paranoia is moreso towny then scummy.

Which paranoia cite posts.

[MathBlade]

Also wonder why we had to have Natural passed:


Natural: Each era, wonders from the previous era may be built. However, attempting to build an already built wonder will result in failure.

We confirm three of the wonders were built. Maybe scum passed up building daytalk, so wanted to go back and build the next night.

Why was natural pushed so hard, and who pushed it?

PV.....I am on record nearly 100 times (exaggeration)
Daytalk is the strongest town power.
If you are suggesting me scum then suggesting me scum without daytalk is dumb.
There is no way scum passed on daytalk. Per setup rules in the first post they shouldn't know what resolutions were coming up. They would have to shoot themselves in the foot.

[MathBlade]

Strongest town and scum*

[MathBlade]

Also wonder why we had to have Natural passed:


Natural: Each era, wonders from the previous era may be built. However, attempting to build an already built wonder will result in failure.

We confirm three of the wonders were built. Maybe scum passed up building daytalk, so wanted to go back and build the next night.

Why was natural pushed so hard, and who pushed it?

This is worth looking into.

Shit, how long ago was that?

Natural is townie as fuck.
Hell I even admit to pushing it.

100% townie to do so.

PV is scum pushing me.
This is shit.

[MathBlade]

Nero is that really worth it though especially considering that LUV hinted at things that are better coming up in the future.
Like, I feel like the better play I would expect from scum!Titus would be to wait for something better and to steal that before any townies got a chance to build it.

And I wouldn't waste a power slot on Stonehenge as scum.

The fact Titus claimed insisting Vecna was Pyramids has really fucked with things and I have been trying to rebuild from any semblance of usefulness their screaming.

The fact I am being attacked by scum for having reads now is rather telling I am on the right track.

Before when I was confused or pushing wrong >> Math obvTown
Now that who I am pushing is changed >> Math is scum.

Even when any theory of being scum is shit and multiple of you have said this.

[MathBlade]

1) I am Town.
2) I don't lie in scum games. It is a badge of honor to try to win without lying.
3) PV ignores my questions and just repeats "Scum say what?" << PV is saying "what?" and is the scum.
4) It explains why game has gone off the rails because active people were manipulating it.
5) Matches my D1 VCA.

Yeah I think it is PV/Nero/Vecna/Yuri/LUV.

[MathBlade]

Nero is that really worth it though especially considering that LUV hinted at things that are better coming up in the future.
Like, I feel like the better play I would expect from scum!Titus would be to wait for something better and to steal that before any townies got a chance to build it.

Stonhenge is p powerful. Firstly its an investigation. And then there's the chance that players FOLLOW the reads of dead town. Also no scum in thier right mind would ever shoot a Titus or Math thing so I think its really odd that they'd take it.

Titus insisted we would be shot.

*facepalm*

Never hydraing with Titus again.

[MathBlade]

Nero is that really worth it though especially considering that LUV hinted at things that are better coming up in the future.
Like, I feel like the better play I would expect from scum!Titus would be to wait for something better and to steal that before any townies got a chance to build it.

And I wouldn't waste a power slot on Stonehenge as scum.

The fact Titus claimed insisting Vecna was Pyramids has really fucked with things and I have been trying to rebuild from any semblance of usefulness their screaming.

The fact I am being attacked by scum for having reads now is rather telling I am on the right track.

Before when I was confused or pushing wrong >> Math obvTown
Now that who I am pushing is changed >> Math is scum.

Even when any theory of being scum is shit and multiple of you have said this.

Who did you target last night?

I crumbed that. Rather sloppily. Maybe need a napkin.

[MathBlade]

In post 8218, MathBlade wrote:
In post 8210, PeregrineV wrote:
Also wonder why we had to have Natural passed:


Natural: Each era, wonders from the previous era may be built. However, attempting to build an already built wonder will result in failure.

We confirm three of the wonders were built. Maybe scum passed up building daytalk, so wanted to go back and build the next night.

Why was natural pushed so hard, and who pushed it?


PV.....I am on record nearly 100 times (exaggeration)
Daytalk is the strongest town power.
If you are suggesting me scum then suggesting me scum without daytalk is dumb.
There is no way scum passed on daytalk. Per setup rules in the first post they shouldn't know what resolutions were coming up. They would have to shoot themselves in the foot.

In post 8219, MathBlade wrote:
Strongest town and scum*

In post 8225, MathBlade wrote:
In post 8221, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 8210, PeregrineV wrote:
Also wonder why we had to have Natural passed:


Natural: Each era, wonders from the previous era may be built. However, attempting to build an already built wonder will result in failure.

We confirm three of the wonders were built. Maybe scum passed up building daytalk, so wanted to go back and build the next night.

Why was natural pushed so hard, and who pushed it?

This is worth looking into.

Shit, how long ago was that?


Natural is townie as fuck.
Hell I even admit to pushing it.

100% townie to do so.

PV is scum pushing me.
This is shit.


Once again, Natural lets town get DOC, ZEUS, NEIGHBORING, and SCUM DAYTALK, as far as you KNEW.

Which did you think town might have "passed up on and needed another chance to get"?

And why did you lynch the ZEUS role when they are best nightkilled?

1) I was talking with Halicarnassus owner yesterday.
2) Scum day talk wouldn't be passed on by scum as per the rules of the first post they wouldn't know what resolutions would be coming up so that would be built.
3) We built Stonehenge
4) that means doc or Zeus or no wonder. ABR never willingly takes doc not his personality and ABR is rarely an NK. So ABR taking Zeus and then claiming to mess up mechanics a fourth time meant he was likely scum.

ABR's play was not ABR like.

I was wrong but after his claim no chance of being NK'd anyway. The claim looked like he was trying to avoid being lynched.

[MathBlade]

like Titus LOVES hoods. I'd think a townTitus would get that.

TownTitus said I am the worst thing ever to happen in mafia and screamed at me to replace out for three hours at lunch because she couldn't have her way and then left me a small bit of time for my POV which she promptly ignored. Titus said my quality of play is so horrible that putting me in a hood was negative utility for Town.

[MathBlade]

Pretty much since I didn't let Titus have her way she threw a hissy fit and then demanded we claim Stonehenge which I told her was bad which was met Witt more yelling saying I am impossible and then when I was right and Vecna wasn't Pyramids she took her ball and ran rather than sitting back and letting me play as promised.

It felt shitty and trying to put Town back together after that shit shown by stepping back I feel was smart.

[MathBlade]

1) I am Town.
2) I don't lie in scum games. It is a badge of honor to try to win without lying.
3) PV ignores my questions and just repeats "Scum say what?" << PV is saying "what?" and is the scum.
4) It explains why game has gone off the rails because active people were manipulating it.
5) Matches my D1 VCA.

Yeah I think it is PV/Nero/Vecna/Yuri/LUV.

1. Then why do you do

SO MUCH STUFF THAT IS NOT GOOD FOR TOWN?

2. ---

3. Actually, I'm addressing them. You are ignoring mine, and blaming Titus.

4. Your game is not on the rails, and you seem steamed I am calling you on your bullshit.

5. It's just out there for future work, since I'll be here all game!!

1) Doing good things for Town like id'ing scum yep.

3) You ignored my LUV/You discrepancy question to tunnel me.
4) I am angry but there is no bullshit.
5) Yes you are here the rest of the game. That is why you should have claimed. You didn't you're scum and now everyone else has to sort you. Not claiming Pyramids is a scum move.

[MathBlade]

Nero is that really worth it though especially considering that LUV hinted at things that are better coming up in the future.
Like, I feel like the better play I would expect from scum!Titus would be to wait for something better and to steal that before any townies got a chance to build it.

And I wouldn't waste a power slot on Stonehenge as scum.

The fact Titus claimed insisting Vecna was Pyramids has really fucked with things and I have been trying to rebuild from any semblance of usefulness their screaming.

The fact I am being attacked by scum for having reads now is rather telling I am on the right track.

Before when I was confused or pushing wrong >> Math obvTown
Now that who I am pushing is changed >> Math is scum.

Even when any theory of being scum is shit and multiple of you have said this.

Who did you target last night?

I crumbed that. Rather sloppily. Maybe need a napkin.

You can just say it. You are an outted PR. Why are you crumbing anything?

Because I was talking with Halicarnassus outing who I targetted would be bad. Let's just say Halicarnassus knows.

[MathBlade]

Also remember that Math was the one that was trying to narrow down who got the pyramids. And Math doesn't lie as scum so...Math and scum team successfully POE who has the pyramids and kills them?

Go fuck off. As scum I have more information and can comfortably PR hunt.
In Hogwarts Mafia when I was fake confirmed town by Alisae it let me PR hunt.
Furthermore I was called crazy for suspecting one of NM/Cloud lying on replace in.
I just got fucked with by scumplay that game.

[MathBlade]

I mean TBF Titus does have an over inflated sense of self worth but wouldn't she realize that she rarely ever gets NKed? I dunno...the hood thing seems more Titusy to me.

Let's talk about the hood.

And this is what I have been asking the entire time: what happens if we don't get the thing which matches or skillset? Twiddle thumbs?

And guess what I got instead of an answer? Posturing that it doesn't matter if a player doesn't get what matches their skillset. My skillset is Mausoleum, are you saying that three other people who want it have the same sort of skillset? Not everyone is cut for neighborizer.

I would love for you to post your mafia resume that statiscally proves you are better in a given role.

And if you can't scumhunt unless you can neighborize, you should say so now, since it will make day1 much easier.

Why are Akane and Nebby voting Natural?
Natural (10): Maxous, The DEO, Akane and Nebby, Spiffeh, Drixx, Albert B. Rampage, Vecna, Creature, Leonshade, NoticeMeSenpai

They should have got the neighborhood. And they should have announced any findings from that hood.

And they should have no reason to want to build day1 wonders, since pretty sure titus already claimed.

That post is riddled with errors.
1) Titus and I didn't claim Stonehenge til D2. Post 500s is D1.
2) Drixx's skill set was Pyramids look who has it? Skill set is not hood indicative. They might or might not have Halicarnassus I won't say who does.
Hence my crumbs because who I targeted is in direct relation to that.

[MathBlade]

1) Future town benefit no scum reward FMPOV.
2) I would force daytalk down scum's throat if I was scum.
3) Yes we did because Titus
4) That doesn't make sense.
5) His role and opinion of his play were the same.

6) The claim was dumb Titus was just pissed she couldn't have her way.

NK of PV could be scum or townVig.

Scum kill permissible as not gamethrowing because it stops Stonehenge potential or further unknown interactions possibly. Or townVig who thought PV scum.

[MathBlade]

1 and 2 is a pissing match of "No you're wrong" so moving on.
3 demonstrates you aren't even reading my posts because before you started I pointed out you and LUV Scum and townread Caesar for the same thing. This inconsistency in logic needs to be address. X+Y=3 or it doesn't equal three. We need to know which.
4 That after everyone saying I am obvTown and Titus and I would never do these things that people are now saying that we would do these things and now I am trying to defend Titus's character as a person while simultaneously explain how she made the game a living hell for me. It sucks and people are being irrational about their reads and pretty damn illogical and I point it out and get scumread. Wtf.
5) Yes you died. Congrats. Thank you for rubbing in how much I should have kept arguing with Titus. I just couldn't take her screaming anymore.

[MathBlade]

Nero is that really worth it though especially considering that LUV hinted at things that are better coming up in the future.
Like, I feel like the better play I would expect from scum!Titus would be to wait for something better and to steal that before any townies got a chance to build it.

And I wouldn't waste a power slot on Stonehenge as scum.

The fact Titus claimed insisting Vecna was Pyramids has really fucked with things and I have been trying to rebuild from any semblance of usefulness their screaming.

The fact I am being attacked by scum for having reads now is rather telling I am on the right track.

Before when I was confused or pushing wrong >> Math obvTown
Now that who I am pushing is changed >> Math is scum.

Even when any theory of being scum is shit and multiple of you have said this.

Who did you target last night?

I crumbed that. Rather sloppily. Maybe need a napkin.

You can just say it. You are an outted PR. Why are you crumbing anything?

Because I was talking with Halicarnassus outing who I targetted would be bad. Let's just say Halicarnassus knows.

It's the person you are supposed to be copping that you never will!!
How does it hurt anyone?

I think you don't have any answer, or don't need one.

I have a system setup with Halicarnassus.
If I die they out my crumbs.
If they die I show mine.
Perfect system and protects a PR role and aids them.

[MathBlade]

Ill continue not ignoring pv, because its still more likely he is town.

I still want to lynch caesar though, since he strikes me as the person that is much more likely to condone a pv pyramids gambit as scum, and hin flipping scum should give us some more info as to what happened here.

Nah PV is scum for stealing Pyramids from Drixx. He could have read the game came in nailed all the scum til kingdom come. Too high a risk for scum.

[MathBlade]

PV why would it look like they're avoiding the lynch when they were globally TRed?

Who? If Math were globally townread, I woulnd't be stumped, now would I? We would have a cop confirmation or something.

Because Titus and I made the game unfun. And Titus was literally exploding all over the thread making it unfun. She was shitposting with ABR and pretty much anytime I hunted she said Caesar or ABR.

It was horrible. Especially since Caesar needs sorting but gut read Caesar is town.

[MathBlade]

So now I am trying to make this game fun again and trying to hunt and now that I am pushing scum you push me.

With you PV you are scum. It is painfully obvious.

I gotta go RL.

[MathBlade]

Ill continue not ignoring pv, because its still more likely he is town.

I still want to lynch caesar though, since he strikes me as the person that is much more likely to condone a pv pyramids gambit as scum, and hin flipping scum should give us some more info as to what happened here.

Nah PV is scum for stealing Pyramids from Drixx. He could have read the game came in nailed all the scum til kingdom come. Too high a risk for scum.

If you keep adressing me like im town, you might want to adress your reads as such.

Its good that it finally gor through to you though

I am not. I am pointing out disagreement. Huge difference. I am pointing out where you are flawed and trying to get the rest of town to see it.

I gotta go.

[MathBlade]

Spoiler: My feelings right now

[MathBlade]

I think I am craving a candy cane. Does anyone know of a place that sells Christmas stuff in March?

[MathBlade]

http://www.christmascentral.com/pack-of ... Aryi8P8HAQ

Yay found it.

[MathBlade]

PV said they aren't reading my posts which is odd.

Because in Undertale when they were in it they read every post of mine.

I think PV is just scum here.

Still gotta go but that is a general response I owe a more details response to posts I have missed later.

[MathBlade]

Ghost Peregrine, the notion that We have held but two solitary positions in this convention of the Senate is preposterous. With very little research, one can easily determine that we decried the false conviction of Senator beeboy, explored connections between the criminal Vecna and the lamented Senator Rampage, strongly suspect Senator Leonshade, as well as Senator Sondam to some degree, defended Senators Creature and Mathblade on numerous occasions, and believe in the loyalty of Senators Nero Cain, Alisae, and Senpai. We have given somewhat more nuanced appraisals of Senator Maxous and the late Senator Kyouko. Finally, We are presently preparing a case for the conviction of the suspected criminal Lil Uzi Vert.

Quite frankly, the only members of this assemblage whom We have not given clear opinions of are Senators Yuri and Elbirn, in addition to yourself. The suggestion that We have cleaved to only two thoughts these past sessions is ludicrous, and suggests that thou art paying even less attention than We thought.

Your majesty, please address the loyalty of one Nero Cain.
I do not believe his loyalty is with that of the town.

The only concern I have right now is if you have taken up farming and I would love to see your case in your own words rather than saying you agree with a player's post. Please make a case for townreading Nero Cain.

[MathBlade]

A. This complaint is complete bullshit because you're not even trying to push the wagons you want.
B. I'm not being lynched regardless of what you flip.
VOTE: Maxous
This is happening.

Please don't TvT.

I'll has sads.

[MathBlade]

Oh hi Gin.

I normally wouldn't be posting, but for you, I'll make a special exception. <3

This is me in a teaching role, so I'm not really playing, but if you want me to give you a lesson in-thread, you can ask for one and I'll do my best to give one to you! I suppose I could also trade banter with you if you'd like, but I can't DIRECTLY intervene play-wise. This is Jae's game, I'm just here along for the ride. <3

Buthey. Teaching a game is still me in the game!

Mastina please give me a lesson...It's midnight will read the rest of the thread later.

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@Nero, if Math needs to be shot, let them get shot >_>

If the PR works only by being shot, you literally negate the PR by lynching them

ok this is town

This, ladies and gentlemen, is what a scumpartner interaction looks like.

Aslan, I'm sorry, but Notice is scum. I have a scumtell on them that involves them not doing a particular behavior that they

always and only

do as Town.

They are not doing it this game.

Caesar is coasting scum. What first keyed me on Caesar being scum was his meta defense of Nero, where he said that Nero was lurky as scum. Maybe in his experience that has actually been the case, and I have caught scum for the wrong reasons, but Nero's recent scumgames clearly do not involve lurking whatsoever. This might seem insignificant, but let me remind you that Pine does not bus. Why would he insist on defending Nero when he hasn't defended any other slot in that way? Because Nero is scum. Caesar looks awful on VCA. Caesar's stances are stale. He hasn't reacted to anything that has happened today. He's stopped evaluating the game. There's no fire to his push, no conviction in his reads.

Nero is scum. His ISO is palpably scummy. What convinced me that Nero is scum? He has a violent temper and yet when I accused him of being scum because of an awful argument he barely even blinked an eye. The way that he's been trying to replicate the same type of behavior that has been getting him read favorably. Nero doesn't tunnel on Math like this. He doesn't concoct the kind of bad theory about Math contradicting themselves. He hunts scum with a passion that in this game is replaced by empty aggression.

Gin is scum. See the interaction above. See mastina speaking to him in game thread. Would mastina break the hydra boundary merely to say hi to Gin? No. It's WIFOM. Designed to distance Notice and Gin. The timing of Gin's replacement is too perfect. He replaces in less than an hour after Elbirn's replace out post, a carefully written and well thought-out piece. Gin is Pine's scum protege. This is not a coincidence.

PeregrineV is scum. This kind of WIFOM is something that Pine thrives on. It's something he would be comfortable doing in a game where Town was in a state of disarray and none of his scumteam were even getting pushed. His tunnel on Math is blatantly scummy. There is no other reason for PV to have been janned than that he is scum.

CK, join me on Caesar. Whatever you're thinking about the gamestate right now, Caesar is not Town. Math and Sondam are the counterwagons scum are trying to push right now. If I'm right, we can win this game here and now.

VOTE: Caesar

[MathBlade]

i thought reed was the one teaching

mastina is like a goddess of mafia...Everyone always brings something but a mastina hydra is like epic.

[MathBlade]

I'd rather have Nero lynched but I want Nancy to drive here because I want to see if her reads are right or not.

[MathBlade]

Senator nancy, We have completed Our review of Senator davesaz. We find very little remarkable about his participation in this convening of the Senate, which is itself remarkable. This gives us reason to immediately suspect his intentions, as We find an extreme dearth of original thought or effort at solving the dilemma before Us. Davesaz's records are rife with small speeches with little of worth, meaningless questions, and weak endorsements of others' positions. We find it likely that he is trying to blend into the crowd behind the din of louder representatives.

Davesaz knows better as scum. I have been a part of his scum play in Gistou. This to me is his town play. Because reasons.

[MathBlade]

So clearly no pyramids for you. Nice

K. So now that narrows down pyramids to a few people.

I was joking about the vig shot. I'd rather you didn't at this point tbh.

If you mean this post here I was Pyramid hunting.
Further more I want scum to be forced to kill me not town. I don't want to waste a vig to get a cop resullt. Would rather the vig just shoot who they think is scum.

[MathBlade]

Blah blah words words
I don't have time to read them til tomorrow morning.
Lynch Caesar.
Shoot me please.

[MathBlade]

I'm literally not scum reading him for anything outside of the game.

I'm not going to talk to scum Ali so don't bring up Hogwarts when the context is completely different.

Well LUV is town. :/

Damn I hate being unable to read you.
But so is Ali.

[MathBlade]

Sorry gotta run again...FML I will catch up I swear.

[MathBlade]

Wasn't this "town bloc responsible for the two mislynches?

There wasn't any town block Day 2 but Day 1 the town block wanted Yuri but were strong-armed into voting Bee.

I agree with this. So much this :/

I think the hydra fight did a shit ton of bad things and me seeing thing mafia after I didn't replace out and had the scum team was infuriating and I probably should have just let Titus have her way even though her reads are now proven crap

[MathBlade]

we aren't no lynching.

First statement I've agreed with you on a while. We're lynching Caesar.

[MathBlade]

So your Nancy TR is soooooooooooooo strong you'd rather vote elsewhere than imagine a Nancy/Max scum team?

Even if nancy is scum I don't imagine the town catching her today.

Nah...nancy is town. She's making an effort to try to give reasons for reads when no one else seems to be. If she's not town we're just royally fucked.

[MathBlade]

Okay Math can be scum.

Nope sure can't.

[MathBlade]

I'll do a case on Cloud soon, I've read his ISO. Dave however appears to be active lurking. I see him posting elsewhere.

VOTE: Dave

Bad vote. I have a townread on Dave. Join the Caesar wagon.

[MathBlade]

So your Nancy TR is soooooooooooooo strong you'd rather vote elsewhere than imagine a Nancy/Max scum team?

Nancy max is horse manure. You're just trying to save Caesar and it's quite sad. It's okay to bus....I am pretty sure you have a bus somewhere.

[MathBlade]

"Nero's not voting who he's pushing"

"Nero should be wanting a Math vig"

"If he pushes Math for a lynch he's scummy for not wanting them vigged but if he wants Math vigged then he's scummy for not pushing a Math lynch"

Dammed if I do, dammed if I don't.

Lynch this fucking scumbag.

Would much rather have you but I'm trying to work with nancy who I TR pretty damn hard. Oh so badly how I want you to be lynched.

[MathBlade]

Okay Math can be scum.

Nope sure can't.

So you want to lynch Caesar after this:

And assume you had only one cookie in the entire world and I has chocolate allergy and it is chocolate chip. Who do you give it to?

I would give it to Ceasar

I'd rather cooperate with my townreads here or force a Nero lynch. Those are what I'd like. Caesar to me just isn't townfirm. I don't see thorough explanations I asked for on why Caesar believes what he does. It could be a stall tactic or genuinely busy but I don't see being able to interact with him to get a read. My townread says they are scum. So the first time in my life I'm sheeping. I don't like your cookie choice.

[MathBlade]

Every fiber in my being wants to tunnel Nero into the ground.. Every goddamn bit. But right now I have to understand that sometimes what I want isn't what the town wants and I'm trying to be a better townie. I just need help to do it so I'm joining the Caesar wagon.

[MathBlade]

That's the thing...That could be a theory. It's one of the reasons I want to tunnel Nero so damn hard and punt on it.
But at the same time I can't just keep tunnelling anymore and demanding lynches. We need to have a town block cooperating and see what goes on from there.
And honestly Alisae, crumbs and hints aren't alignment indicative (Hogwarts)
This is something you know but yet I'm pretty sure you're town because you forgot that :/

I just can't be me right now I need to step back.

[MathBlade]

It's funny because Caesar became a viable option after I hinted at something and I really, really, really think it's scum motivated. Also confirms that scum don't have the thing I am refering to.

Caesar was a wagon well before that too. :/

Like I really think that based on how the votes are falling I need to trust the wagon right now.
No matter how badly I want to be a bitch.

And FYI I'm not quoting every damn post but please people use they. Not her. Thanks!

[MathBlade]

Every fiber in my being wants to tunnel Nero into the ground.

TownMath doesn't hesitate like this.

Town math does now.
Scum math doesn't hesitate like this either.

Nero and Alisae mason buddies is bad. :/

[MathBlade]

Like the only way Nero is a mason buddy with Alisae is if his role PM changes colors and <redacted> and <redacted> and <redacted> all happen.

[MathBlade]

his role PM = Nero's role PM
Still townreading Alisae FYI

[MathBlade]

Now I'm going to bed. Still can't catch up on the thread damn it.

[MathBlade]

K Drixx is not town for attempting to play optimally early game, fucker's like sleeper scum dont give brian a pass just cause drixx didnt scumslip in his first few posts

Drixx is Town therefore Brian Skies is.
Scum don't say what Drixx said.

[MathBlade]

how come i was ignored when i first talked about notice and now its caught on

Because they are trying to make a counter wagon to Creature.

AFK most of the day

[MathBlade]

how come i was ignored when i first talked about notice and now its caught on

Because they are trying to make a counter wagon to Creature.

AFK most of the day

you mean ceasar

Yes. Been fighting the flu and prepping DM stuff and just blah.

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Alisae brought up the point that it would be better to save the alignment because numbers and to add to that, with there being a higher percent chance of Math hitting a townie, if the player was mod confirmed D3 as town, that person would be killed the following night.

also just to clarify, the

plan

was to have the pyramids claim and Math would cop them but PV didn't claim for ???? so we'd still have that IC.

That's grody. That makes sense now from your side.

It's still a damn stretch, tell me still how, as scum it would be best to claim you should die?

I can see a Math/PV scumteam. PV grabbing the Pyramids and then refusing to claim gives Math an out to not be vigged. Killing PV in the night phase makes him look bad for not claiming. Meanwhile, distancing and an outright claim from Math gives Math a free ride to the end game where people can't question why he hasn't died for having his role.

1) I am a They.
2) Even if I get the scumteam right which I am either very good or very bad on scum won't kill me because of Stonehenge. This means I need to rely on Town seeing I am Town. In other words because Titus asked for a claim I have to play the exact opposite of the way I like while job hunting flu fighting band RL responsibilities.
3) I told Titus this and she insisted we have to die so us claiming would not achieve that purpose. She said syncing was impossible and after telling and screaming on Skype I just decided it was less toxic to let Titus have her way than have this continue. When she was wrong on Vecna Pyramids I tried damage control and she replaced out.

Specifically her reasoning was we trade our dysfunctional hydra in which Titus kept screaming Beeboy and ABR scum and any attempts to hunt got shut down with ABR and Caesar have to be the lynch. I townread Caesar at the time so ABR was the only option permissible. When ABR messed things up again I thought he was scum so I tunneled.

Now I realize I should lay back and not tunnel here for reasons mentioned before. The claim IMHO wasn't smart but Titus was begging me to replace out constantly and with how Thing Mafia went after I replaced out I just couldn't replace out again.

[MathBlade]

Brian might be town


hmmmmmmm

He is Town b/c Drixx

[MathBlade]

This is without taking into consideration of associations.
Brian, LUV, Nero, BaeReed, Creature
These are my locktowns.

I disagree with your lock towns

[MathBlade]

This is without taking into consideration of associations.
Brian, LUV, Nero, BaeReed, Creature
These are my locktowns.

What changed since your Creature case?

[MathBlade]

More specific please. I don't get it.

[MathBlade]

Davesaz this game: viewtopic.php?p=8943566&user_select%5B% ... 4#p8943566

in PYP: viewtopic.php?p=8582743&user_select%5B% ... 4#p8582743 (TOWN)

in CODE GEASS viewtopic.php?p=8767578&user_select%5B% ... 4#p8767578 (TOWN lynchbait)

First, going through his iso in this game to characterize his play.

-Short - Medium length posts, showing some desire to gamesolve
-Bunch of questions adressed to people after just replacing in
-LOTS of comments about what is happening in his RL, explaining why he isnt active

Just guide me to scum this time.

In the middle of my catchup, but giving fair warning -- blatant coasting like this will only earn you an incompetence read for a little while -- after that it's screaming scum.

-that post ^
-Readslist appear reasonably genuine
-Reads people their iso's and reports on it a few times
-Actually responds agitated to my comment that he was lynchbait before in code geass as well

So far, rereading all of it....it doesnt really strike me much as scum.

Like I said Davesaz is town people. Gistou was his scum game that I played with him in. Dave is town.

[MathBlade]

This reminded me of something I wanted to comment on...

This means I need to rely on Town seeing I am Town

It doesn't matter if you are seen as town or not.

YOU

picked a wonder that means you need to get vigged for the investigation part to work.

Which I can be vigged. Town vigging me is good. Town vigging scum is better.

[MathBlade]

LUV just replace out, you're pathetic.

Don't do this please. I have to deal with it enough. Work with people who you think have bad reads. Not against them. LUV IMHO after looking at something is probably town. I think that Senpai based on some earlier pressures might be town I waffle. If we aren't doing Caesar I'd want Nero.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: NeroCain

Protest vote at this point.

Look I understand that sometimes I am horrible at finding scum, but I am good at finding town in each of the games I'm in. Look at my meta. When I say someone is town they are almost certainly town. Dave is town it's not a good wagon. Seriously. I don't see how dave started and it's crap. Fix this.

[MathBlade]

This is literally the same thing as Beeboy was. Beeboy wasn't doing enough activity to make people happy so they got lynched when the posting they posted felt opportunistic because they agreed with prior points. Davesaz is not posting as much so ya'll are running him up. Look at Gistou. He was ACTIVE.

[MathBlade]

Let's lynch Nero.

#IamSuperBusy

[MathBlade]

Very surprising that noone has actually managed to respond to my analysis of Davesaz's playstyles. People are appealing to me, left right and centers, accusing me of shit, showing how much of a badboy they are for ignoring me.....

But noone has actually come out and told me why im wrong. Or why Davesaz IS lynchbait as opposed to just caught scum.

@Gerry, I want you or maria to respond to this case

@Gin n Tonic - Divert that attention from me thinking your scum to reading and assessing my davesaz analysis.

@Leonshade - make that time, and assess my case.

@Nancy - get over your read of me, and keep a blank slate. I still dont really think youre scum, so get over yourself.

@LUV - what do you think? You've also played with Davesaz before with me.

I did and said you were wrong and pointed out a game where I was scum with Davesaz and this is nothing like it.

[MathBlade]

I wholeheartedly believe Davesaz is Town as much as I believe Beeboy was Town.

I just don't have the time to write up a big case.

Scum on the wagon likely Nero and Creature.

[MathBlade]

Potential chance of Vecna too.

[MathBlade]

OH GOD THERE'S 3 DAYS TILL DEADLINE

Yes let's flash wagon Nero.

[MathBlade]

Max is a terrible slot with

worse reads

, his behaviors since i replaced in are essenitally coasting, fosing town and being inconsitent in their thoughts process aka asking for justifications when they arent willing to give an opportunity for their reads to be town

my reads so far were

- beeboy town
- froggy town
- ABR null/unsure
- PV town

which of these reads are shit.
if you're talking about unflipped reads be very specific as to why it's a shit read.

PV town is a shitread because as Town he doesn't brag about not reading posts.
He is picking and choosing posts to serve his argument when Nero started being scumread for scumreading me with bad points PV tried to add "good" (hint they aren't) ones. PV as town doesn't do this or when he does he admits his mistakes and re-evaluates his reads. Sometimes he comes to the same conclusion but it is bolstered or enhanced by it.

Him not caring about his top scumread's posts in order to make his case makes PV scum.

[MathBlade]

Buuuuuuuut I might be okay with flashwagoning Gin.

Gin is a waffle read. Nero has votes already. Join me on Nero.

[MathBlade]

Also Maxous.
Can we flashwagon Maxous.

Maxous I have as Townread who disagrees with my reads.

[MathBlade]

can we stop poking at the inactive town in Davesaz and lynch the actively lurker scum in Nero Cain?

ftfy

[MathBlade]

Math I am not lynching Nero.

Add Davesaz to your not lynch list.
That is how sure I am he is Town.

[MathBlade]

Fight for someone else.

[MathBlade]

Subject: Gistou: Madness of Monsters

Just saw the 1st vc after dinner. Don't forget the plurality lynch mechanic. Be especially wary of unvote / revote the same player in a short timeframe, as it will be seen as manipulative to push that player lower in the group of tied votes.
I played plurality for years before moving here, so have all the relevant tricks up my sleeves

This is from the scum PT. As scum Davesaz has a mechanics mentality that is missing from his play.
He is also a lot more confident as scum.
Furthermore he handled RL differently.

[MathBlade]

You do but you note and okay it differently as scum. Your attitude shifts. You cite posts with links as why you scumread people. There are so many little things that you just aren't doing from your scum game with me.

Hell I have even been forced into lurking due to speed and RL it sucks.

[MathBlade]

PV town is a shitread because as Town he doesn't brag about not reading posts.

PV being scum means that scum night-killed one of their own members that wasn't under pressure just for vague WIFOM and possible encouragement to lead to the town to mislynches.
he's town because that would be one of the stupidest plays i have ever seen.
i'm not even entertaining this

Or delayed Town vig.
Lots of different things.

Secondly scum shooting PV is incredibly proscum as PV is generally lynchbait at end of games (see Wake's Mafia)
The flip is hidden and he can push who he wants when he wants.
PV taking Pyramids from Drixx was a scumclaim.

[MathBlade]

The Hanging Gardens

Each night, you may target a player to protect from a single killing action.

The Pyramids

If you die, no information will be released along with your flip. You will become a treestump and may continue posting in the main thread. You will be dead for all other purposes.

Mausoleum of Halicarnassus

Each night, you may select a player to form a neighborhood with. This neighborhood will last only the following day & night phase.

Stonehenge

Each night, you may target a player. If you are killed during the night, that player's alignment will be immediately publicly revealed.

Statue of Zeus

Each night, target a player. The first time a killing action targets you, that action will instead be redirected to your target.

The Great Lighthouse

(Available only to non-town players) Factional topics you are a part of gain day chat as long as you are alive.

If you are going to make a plan that is hard to fuck with, do it randomly. This is the list of who builds what.

Nobody claims.

Tomorrow we get another list. We assign the same groups to the town PRs.

Nobody claims.

By day3, we either have actionable intelligence, or we start finding out which scum took the scum wonders.

Anything else, aside from regular playing, is not a good idea

Gardens

Akane and Nebby (Alisae & Malachite)
Fro99er
Nero Cain
Yuri

Pyramids

beeboy
The DEO (Titus & Mathblade)
Leonshade
Elbirn

Mausoleum of Halicarnassus

Creature
Drixx
Julius Caesar (Aeronaut & Pine)
Lil Uzi Vert

Stonehenge

Vecna
ssbm_Kyouko
ooba
Maxous

Statue of Zeus

PeregrineV
Sondam (MariaR & gerryoat)
NoticeMeSenpai (JaeReed & mastina)
Albert B. Rampage

Pick whatever
Spiffeh

PV didn't even follow his own plan. (We disagreed with it as well but there were talks of what to do anyway.)

But the person who should have followed his own plan was the person who suggested the plan.

The fact he didn't means he meant to stop Drixx.

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Peregrine: You do realize ur plan doesn't force scum to do anything
You put them in a pool with several other players. Priority values are INVISIBLE. Scum can just not freakin submit if they don't want the role, and

submit when they do

All this shit, these plans, these lists, I hate when cool setups devolve into this discussion

Yep, then we can lynch Vanilla Mafia because town will have all of the power roles, and cannot affect our night actions.

what happens when day5 comes around, and everyone should have something, and scum don't?

PV you Pyramids?

PV I could hug you. You has my reads and I am not entirely mad.

~~Math

No, i'm the doctor and I protected Spiffeh, becasue he bleeds green.

What are your thoughts on the content I posted in 5381?

PV lied about being Pyramids.
He also lied about protecting Spiffeh.

If PV wasn't already dead and I wasn't Stonehenge I would vig him.

[MathBlade]

Now let's look at when the known liar of Pyramids (in which it has been established in thread MULTIPLE times that Pyramids not claiming is a scum claim in and of itself)

Let's look at when he got active and what he pushed.

[MathBlade]

Lol you think I omgus that's cute Alisae also pere wtf do you mean "a lot tr"
were the biggest wagon right now if anything people sr us more then they tr us I don't even know why people sr us no one said anything besides Titus also Nebby this isn't my vote this is Gerry's he think's DEO is hard scum I'm null on it so I'll trust his judgement if I had my own vote I'd be voting Leon right now
Like you people say it's shade comment when it's legit making accusations I do that all the time and so does he so how is it scummy this game compared to other games like what the fuck thinking is all this
~Maria

Sondam (5): The DEO, Elbirn, Creature, Akane and Nebby, Frogger

You're at L-6, not L-0, so some townreads on you exist.

If you were total scum I'd be voting you now.

If Gerry is out of town for two weeks, why don't you vote who you need to?

Why does this reek of coaching?

Because of this:

Add me to that townblock where's Kison and Dream SOMEONE GET THEM IN HERE
Also nebby the only thing that scares me is boys
~Maria

I dont know yet. Get gerry in here so I can peer into his soul some

Gerry is on Vacation for 2 weeks so he'll only pop in from time to time on day 1

he should be here after though
I'm still gonna bug him to post though.
~Maria

Lol you think I omgus that's cute Alisae also pere wtf do you mean "a lot tr"
were the biggest wagon right now if anything people sr us more then they tr us I don't even know why people sr us no one said anything besides Titus also Nebby

this isn't my vote this is Gerry's he think's DEO is hard scum

I'm null on it so I'll trust his judgement if I had my own vote I'd be voting Leon right now
Like you people say it's shade comment when it's legit making accusations I do that all the time and so does he so how is it scummy this game compared to other games like what the fuck thinking is all this
~Maria

Sondam is town because of this post as well.

When i work with my townreads I care if they are on V/LA and sometimes they have reads even if on vacation. PV is trying to sell us a narrative versus MariaR/Gerry being a scumread and hoping Titus would tunnel.

[MathBlade]

Pere the way you worded it was like saying we have a huge amount of people townreading us when I can name 3 so fix your wording
~Maria

Not trying to rage you, but I will say you

can't act like being townread is a right

when it's something you earn (or not) each and every game.

It's more so I'm upset that I have no idea what were doing wrong. I don't think we've done anything really scummy sure were a stubborn duo but stubbornness is really NAI

@Sondham 1180 part 1 (Phone posting and omitting irrelevant parts is a pain in the ass).

I don't care if it's how you play or not. If you keep getting wagoned for the same behavior, you should stop doing it and adapt. I want to see you take a strong stance on something or eat rope. You and your hydra partner need to speak with one voice and sort shit out if town. Right now, all I am getting is shade tossing, refusal to commit, dissonance and rage.

TITUS. YOU. KNOW. MY. SCUM. GAME. AND. MY. TOWN. GAME. SO WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU ACTING LIKE I NEED TO CHANGE SOMETHING WHEN THIS IS HOW I ACT AS TOWN

~Maria

PV face palming when his plan won't work because I say no.

[MathBlade]

Titus I think beeboy is just VI.

Are you the pot or the kettle?

PV is town

That's what Mama,

Jesus

, and the mod tell me.

bullshit, I never said that.

but ok you can be town.

Yeah, the first time someone mentioned Jesus directly, I thought "Who are they talking about"? Later it came up again I tired to figure it out with context, and then noticed your avatar. (and they called Spiffeh Mickey).

Drixx is taking the treestump.
There is no reason for anyone else to take it

Whoever takes treestump needs to be lynched or vigged as soon as possible.

Town won't give a shit, since they are still in the game, and if scum then they have no vote and won't count against our numbers and will probably not bother posting anyway.

Again PV agrees with the person who takes treestump needs to be vigged or lynched as soon as possible.

Why does he then try to reinforce that he is Town repeatedly thus making himself less lynchable
And not claim Pyramids when asked thus ensuring himself to be Townfirm the entire game and Town vig shoot me I cop PV.

[MathBlade]

Daytalk I always feel is the best PR bar none. In Shadowrun where JaeReed is not so subtly referring scout and I used daytalk extensively to our advantage. Even though I never got a break from posting it let me remain consistent and strategize with scout. A couple of times I even told scout when to pivot and he proofed stuff I did.

Daytalk is useful if utilized by the scumteam.

But overall, it is so useless that it is now standard to include it in games, where it used to not be standard in games.

PV trying to imply scum wouldn't build the daytalk wonder in a rolemadness game is insanity.
It also tells us day one they didn't have day talk and day two they would have.

PV is a smart player. PV scum means scum also have day talk.

[MathBlade]

The Hanging Gardens

Each night, you may target a player to protect from a single killing action.

The Pyramids

If you die, no information will be released along with your flip. You will become a treestump and may continue posting in the main thread. You will be dead for all other purposes.

Mausoleum of Halicarnassus

Each night, you may select a player to form a neighborhood with. This neighborhood will last only the following day & night phase.

Stonehenge

Each night, you may target a player. If you are killed during the night, that player's alignment will be immediately publicly revealed.

Statue of Zeus

Each night, target a player. The first time a killing action targets you, that action will instead be redirected to your target.

The Great Lighthouse

(Available only to non-town players) Factional topics you are a part of gain day chat as long as you are alive.

If you are going to make a plan that is hard to fuck with, do it randomly. This is the list of who builds what.

Nobody claims.

Tomorrow we get another list. We assign the same groups to the town PRs.

Nobody claims.

By day3, we either have actionable intelligence, or we start finding out which scum took the scum wonders.

Anything else, aside from regular playing, is not a good idea

Gardens

Akane and Nebby (Alisae & Malachite)
Fro99er
Nero Cain
Yuri

Pyramids

beeboy
The DEO (Titus & Mathblade)
Leonshade
Elbirn

Mausoleum of Halicarnassus

Creature
Drixx
Julius Caesar (Aeronaut & Pine)
Lil Uzi Vert

Stonehenge

Vecna
ssbm_Kyouko
ooba
Maxous

Statue of Zeus

PeregrineV
Sondam (MariaR & gerryoat)
NoticeMeSenpai (JaeReed & mastina)
Albert B. Rampage

Pick whatever
Spiffeh

PV didn't even follow his own plan. (We disagreed with it as well but there were talks of what to do anyway.)

But the person who should have followed his own plan was the person who suggested the plan.

The fact he didn't means he meant to stop Drixx.

See, here I was shutting up at the request of some town players, then you go and make a post like this?

My intent was to determine if I had priority over Drixx for the treestump wonder. I decided this due to his lack of participation AT ANY LEVEL on day1. It turns out I did I priority.
Once I gained the wonder, I intended to start poking my snout into everyone in hopes of drawing the nightkill. Because that is HOW THE ROLE IS PLAYED.

So, you point out that I suggested random over coordinated, which no one bought into the idea.

Based on the fact that the idea was not universally accepted, why on God's green earth would you expect ME to follow it?

You were shutting up because you can't mislynch me.

Mislynching me points a huge ass arrow to you and Nero.
Bullshit. You took it from Drixx because you know he is a better player at end of game. Look at SU two.

Inactive start and ramped up there.

You never found for your idea, lied about having Pyramids after knowing anyone who lied about Pyramids would be considered a scum claim, only try to feed Titus stuff that helps her narrative where it suited you, pushed me to try to help prop up Nero.

The only thing you have really "fought" for is my lynch and that was to save Nero. Who is obvScum.

[MathBlade]

Daytalk I always feel is the best PR bar none. In Shadowrun where JaeReed is not so subtly referring scout and I used daytalk extensively to our advantage. Even though I never got a break from posting it let me remain consistent and strategize with scout. A couple of times I even told scout when to pivot and he proofed stuff I did.

Daytalk is useful if utilized by the scumteam.

But overall, it is so useless that it is now standard to include it in games, where it used to not be standard in games.

PV trying to imply scum wouldn't build the daytalk wonder in a rolemadness game is insanity.
It also tells us day one they didn't have day talk and day two they would have.

PV is a smart player. PV scum means scum also have day talk.

Scum had 2 chances to build it. Day1 and day2. Pretty sure they have it by now.

Posts like this are why you are scum. Drixx said he didn't get it. For your claim here to be true you would have to be scumreading Brian Skies as conf scum because Drixx would be a liar. This means scum stole Pyramids from
Drixx. You should be in a 1v1 with Brian Skies if you were Town.

[MathBlade]

If PV built Pyramids on Day 2 then Drixx is an outed liar and PV would one v one Brian Skies.
If PV built Pyramids on Day 1 then he doesn't say scum could build it on day two because they couldn't.

[MathBlade]

So PV built Pyramids on Day one.
Someone else built night talk on day one.

This means two of the scum wonders are accounted for already.

PV uses activity to try to sell Titus into pushing MariaR who is lynchbait in every fucking game of mafia because people feel MariaR is an easy mislynch for some reason.

Then when Nero flubs on bucket patrol PV hops on.

Nero and PV are obvScum.

[MathBlade]

If PV built Pyramids on Day 2 then Drixx is an outed liar and PV would one v one Brian Skies.
If PV built Pyramids on Day 1 then he doesn't say scum could build it on day two because they couldn't.

I built it day1.

Who said it was built on day2?

You said scum could build it (Pyramids) on D1 or D2.

You're already on record saying daytalk a piece of shit and disagreeing with me that scum built it.

[MathBlade]

Lol you think I omgus that's cute Alisae also pere wtf do you mean "a lot tr"
were the biggest wagon right now if anything people sr us more then they tr us I don't even know why people sr us no one said anything besides Titus also Nebby this isn't my vote this is Gerry's he think's DEO is hard scum I'm null on it so I'll trust his judgement if I had my own vote I'd be voting Leon right now
Like you people say it's shade comment when it's legit making accusations I do that all the time and so does he so how is it scummy this game compared to other games like what the fuck thinking is all this
~Maria

Sondam (5): The DEO, Elbirn, Creature, Akane and Nebby, Frogger

You're at L-6, not L-0, so some townreads on you exist.

If you were total scum I'd be voting you now.

If Gerry is out of town for two weeks, why don't you vote who you need to?

Why does this reek of coaching?

Because of this:

Add me to that townblock where's Kison and Dream SOMEONE GET THEM IN HERE
Also nebby the only thing that scares me is boys
~Maria

I dont know yet. Get gerry in here so I can peer into his soul some

Gerry is on Vacation for 2 weeks so he'll only pop in from time to time on day 1

he should be here after though
I'm still gonna bug him to post though.
~Maria

Lol you think I omgus that's cute Alisae also pere wtf do you mean "a lot tr"
were the biggest wagon right now if anything people sr us more then they tr us I don't even know why people sr us no one said anything besides Titus also Nebby

this isn't my vote this is Gerry's he think's DEO is hard scum

I'm null on it so I'll trust his judgement if I had my own vote I'd be voting Leon right now
Like you people say it's shade comment when it's legit making accusations I do that all the time and so does he so how is it scummy this game compared to other games like what the fuck thinking is all this
~Maria

Sondam is town because of this post as well.

When i work with my townreads I care if they are on V/LA and sometimes they have reads even if on vacation. PV is trying to sell us a narrative versus MariaR/Gerry being a scumread and hoping Titus would tunnel.

You're using my posts to call Sondam a townread?

Just read it. That is some old stuff. Were you coaching?

I was demonstrating a narrative that explains my reads and why since Maxous doesn't want to read what is scummy play top down as scum for some reason I cannot fathom.

Since people are trying to lynch Davesaz because he is an easy lynch it will end up the same as Beeboy.

Can't be coaching as I am not scum. Any posts scumreading Sodham were Titus I do not scumread Sodham.

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There was a need to rolefish because Titus committed seppuku because she didn't get her way.

I was salvaging a shitty situation and it was Town agreement Pyramids should claim.

PV is an outed liar which makes his push helping Nero suspicious as fuck especially since Nero has spent more time attacking me than Dave where his vote actually is.

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So PV built Pyramids on Day one.

Confirmed by me.

Someone else built night talk on day one.

Confirmed by you?

This means two of the scum wonders are accounted for already.

there was only one.

PV uses activity to try to sell Titus into pushing MariaR who is lynchbait in every fucking game of mafia because people feel MariaR is an easy mislynch for some reason.

Whoa, from out of left field...this was like day1 or 2. I shouyld say 7000-8000 posts ago.

Then when Nero flubs on bucket patrol PV hops on.

Don't know what this is.

Nero and PV are obvScum.

So this is a Nero attack, and not Sondham defense? Or is it both?

Night talk is assuming scum aren't idiots.
You're scum by Town agreement that Pyramids should have claimed.
Yes I was demonstrating every scummy thing you did before I was interrupted.

Bucket patrol as I explained earlier if you bothered to read is when someone tries to throw shit repeatedly on obvTown and see what could actually stick...bucket of shit throwing aka bucket patrol.

Again I was explaining a narrative. You are scum with Nero and tried to setup Sondham for mislynch.

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Also wonder why we had to have Natural passed:


Natural: Each era, wonders from the previous era may be built. However, attempting to build an already built wonder will result in failure.

We confirm three of the wonders were built. Maybe scum passed up building daytalk, so wanted to go back and build the next night.

Why was natural pushed so hard, and who pushed it?

PV.....I am on record nearly 100 times (exaggeration)
Daytalk is the strongest town power.
If you are suggesting me scum then suggesting me scum without daytalk is dumb.
There is no way scum passed on daytalk. Per setup rules in the first post they shouldn't know what resolutions were coming up. They would have to shoot themselves in the foot.

If they missed it day1, they got another chance to build it. Right?

Also wonder why we had to have Natural passed:


Natural: Each era, wonders from the previous era may be built. However, attempting to build an already built wonder will result in failure.

We confirm three of the wonders were built. Maybe scum passed up building daytalk, so wanted to go back and build the next night.

Why was natural pushed so hard, and who pushed it?

Here you say it twice.

Scum would have to know each resolution before it came up and based on the first post and some of the resolutions that isn't a thing. Scum would not ever not build daytalk.

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So PV built Pyramids on Day one.

Confirmed by me.

Someone else built night talk on day one.

Confirmed by you?

This means two of the scum wonders are accounted for already.

there was only one.

PV uses activity to try to sell Titus into pushing MariaR who is lynchbait in every fucking game of mafia because people feel MariaR is an easy mislynch for some reason.

Whoa, from out of left field...this was like day1 or 2. I shouyld say 7000-8000 posts ago.

Then when Nero flubs on bucket patrol PV hops on.

Don't know what this is.

Nero and PV are obvScum.

So this is a Nero attack, and not Sondham defense? Or is it both?

Night talk is assuming scum aren't idiots.
You're scum by Town agreement that Pyramids should have claimed.
Yes I was demonstrating every scummy thing you did before I was interrupted.

Bucket patrol as I explained earlier if you bothered to read is when someone tries to throw shit repeatedly on obvTown and see what could actually stick...bucket of shit throwing aka bucket patrol.

Again I was explaining a narrative. You are scum with Nero and tried to setup Sondham for mislynch.

So, take one wrong thing, and try to base a bunch of alignments on it?

Many many wrong things from you PV not just one.

Namely your bad push on me.
Nero's opportunistic one makes you two linked like thieves.
MariaR towntold in her opening so that to me is wrong.

You know I am not getting lynched yet don't comment on the popular wagon.

Thoughts on Nero and Davesaz go.

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Buuuuuuuut I might be okay with flashwagoning Gin.

Gin is a waffle read. Nero has votes already. Join me on Nero.

What does this mean?

It means I waffle on my Gin/Elbirn read.

Nero is a much stronger scumread.

Talk about Nero and Davesaz. Let's see what conf!scum for not claiming Pyramids says. And don't argue you did when in essence you lied about it.

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Also wonder why we had to have Natural passed:


Natural: Each era, wonders from the previous era may be built. However, attempting to build an already built wonder will result in failure.

We confirm three of the wonders were built. Maybe scum passed up building daytalk, so wanted to go back and build the next night.

Why was natural pushed so hard, and who pushed it?

PV.....I am on record nearly 100 times (exaggeration)
Daytalk is the strongest town power.
If you are suggesting me scum then suggesting me scum without daytalk is dumb.
There is no way scum passed on daytalk. Per setup rules in the first post they shouldn't know what resolutions were coming up. They would have to shoot themselves in the foot.

If they missed it day1, they got another chance to build it. Right?

Also wonder why we had to have Natural passed:


Natural: Each era, wonders from the previous era may be built. However, attempting to build an already built wonder will result in failure.

We confirm three of the wonders were built. Maybe scum passed up building daytalk, so wanted to go back and build the next night.

Why was natural pushed so hard, and who pushed it?

Here you say it twice.

Scum would have to know each resolution before it came up and based on the first post and some of the resolutions that isn't a thing. Scum would not ever not build daytalk.

OK, then knowing you had grabbed your wonder, why vote for natural?

End game utility
FMPOV scum had at least two wonders locked Pyramids and Great Lighthouse.

This meant Town would get more use than scum and allows a Town who got jibbed to pick up another power.
If scum want to stop that they have to be powerless.

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1) Because that is the common narrative and doesn't make it true. Look back at Shadowrun Mafia you are using the same tactics. It was argued that D&D was Mafia because of the night kill. I was read as Town because I shot Karnos.

Scum would have 0% reason to shoot an inactive lurker. Scum shooting you would be crazy scum.

2) Not answering that second question.

3) There were long posts about it but you didn't bother to read. His argument is shit. Go read rather than me spoonfeed you. You read enough to cherry pick read the entire three.

4) MariaR did towntell to me I just read people differently.

5) Give me your reads on Davesaz and Nero.

6) I already have done so and I am phone posting and getting ready to do RL stuff.

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Buuuuuuuut I might be okay with flashwagoning Gin.

Gin is a waffle read. Nero has votes already. Join me on Nero.

What does this mean?

It means I waffle on my Gin/Elbirn read.

Nero is a much stronger scumread.

Talk about Nero and Davesaz. Let's see what conf!scum for not claiming Pyramids says. And don't argue you did when in essence you lied about it.

You're not allowed to waffle.

2) I don't lie in scum games. It is a badge of honor to try to win without lying.

Math, is Gin/Elbirn, to the best of your knowledge, on the same team as you?

Math, are you town?

Yes I am allowed to waffle.
50/50 odds on Gin.
I am Town.

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Why would we need the pyramids claim?

@Math- Does this make Dave scum with me, or town that I confused with my superpowers?

Dave is town.
You are scum.
You may or may not be the one that confused him.
Vecna for example said Pyramids should claim.

There was lots of Pyramids should claim and Stonehenge should target them talk.

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Sondam is town. MariaR rarely curses as scum.

When have I played with you when I'm scum? O_o
~Maria

Maria R is stingy on the townreads but here is a derptell.

MariaR forgot I replaced into the card game where MariaR was scum.

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Why would we need the pyramids claim?

@Math- Does this make Dave scum with me, or town that I confused with my superpowers?

Dave is town.
You are scum.
You may or may not be the one that confused him.
Vecna for example said Pyramids should claim.

There was lots of Pyramids should claim and Stonehenge should target them talk.

Vecna also lynched beeboy and ABR. Why would I listen to him?

That wastes the power of pyraminds. You already wasted yours and ABR's wonders. Don't be so salty that I refused to let you waste mine.

Pyramids is IC with vote or scum shoot it after confirmation.
Either way not a waste and this has been discussed.

Vecna is human we all are.

Right now I would rather focus on my top scumread Nero so we can actually lynch a scum today.

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Buuuuuuuut I might be okay with flashwagoning Gin.

Gin is a waffle read. Nero has votes already. Join me on Nero.

What does this mean?

It means I waffle on my Gin/Elbirn read.

Nero is a much stronger scumread.

Talk about Nero and Davesaz. Let's see what conf!scum for not claiming Pyramids says. And don't argue you did when in essence you lied about it.

You're not allowed to waffle.

2) I don't lie in scum games. It is a badge of honor to try to win without lying.

Math, is Gin/Elbirn, to the best of your knowledge, on the same team as you?

Math, are you town?

Yes I am allowed to waffle.
50/50 odds on Gin.
I am Town.

I asked if Gin was on your team, based on ALL of the knowledge you currently posses. That would be a yes or no.

And the answer is if Gin is town to that and I don't know.

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I gotta go but PV needs to give his Nero and Davesaz reads.

Nero should be eating rope today not Dave.

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Towntell meta tells are sacred til they aren't.

She hasnt given me a reason to scumread her and has given me reasons to townread her.

As scum she would reflect back and realized that I actually had meta on her and try to enforce it.

This isn't that.Sodham slot is town I gotta go.

I require scummy behavior to change a townread and all I see is MariaR town.