~laundry~ FIN

[Andrius]

Apparently it was just me.
Nevermind.

[Andrius]

I assumed it was SAD but upon actual research there was no evidence to support that thought.

Pedit: Yeah I'm pretty sold on that plan.

[Andrius]

What have you been doing?
I've had three since we started. Lol

[Andrius]

My proper title is Paladin Andrius, Slayer of Sentient Huts and Vampires.

[Andrius]

Or The Baker.
A bit old but still classic.

[Andrius]

...Father Pine, Cleric of Righteousness and Savior of Paladins

If I were the Title Baker, this would be your title.

[Andrius]

It was only a few days ago you were saying you were surprised you weren't Scumread because of your terrible voting patterns.

YOU THINK I KILLED THE PERSON THAT HAD A TR ON ME SINCE DAY 1? Please.

He wasn't the only one who had a townread on you since D1.

btw if you lynch me you're not allowed to touch Gerry ever and I will 100% take the loss if that's the case

I am not ok taking a loss because we gave the game to GERRY.

THIS IS THE SAME BS AS HOTAL MAFIA I had the last mafia who was obv af and said not to lynch my top tr what happens? My top tr got lynched and scum won s h o c k e r

If Firebringer were still here he'd probably be calling this AtE and be highly suspicious after that one game that you won.




Hold fast. Nothing's certain yet.

[Andrius]

hey Dreal

I thought this was supposed to be your time to shine, bro. Where the fuck are you

[Andrius]

Votecount 6.2

I'll help you finish the song, McMenno.

Andrius

(1): gerryoat

MariaR

(3): Desperado, dreal, Pine

Not Voting

(3): Andrius, MariaR, menno

7 players, 4 majority.

Deadline in (expired on 2017-03-08 18:22:00)

MariaR V/LA until Sunday.

[Andrius]

I think I'm ready.

[Andrius]

Table of Contents

Dawn of Day One
Day One Lynch
Dawn of Day Two
Day Two Lynch
Dawn of Day Three
Day Three Lynch
Dawn of Day Four
Day Four Lynch
Dawn of Day Five
Day Five Lynch
Dawn of Day Six

[Andrius]

For my own sanity so I can read dead people's role PMs and easily find the day-end VCs.

[Andrius]

Yeah I keep thinking about it and then going WHERE IS DREAL.

[Andrius]

Is there something in particular you're waiting for?

[Andrius]

please don't hammer yet

giving my go ahead on the hammer

MAKE UP YOUR MIND

[Andrius]

Or just do it yourself.
Then, if she's scum, it'll be great poetic justice for The Thing.

[Andrius]

And that's that.

[Andrius]

I imagine EP might be late since he's writing for THE SCUMMIES and that's happening in 5ish hours.

[Andrius]

You're going to need a more memorable schtick if you want a title.

[Andrius]

Please just let this be over.

[Andrius]

Andrius, VT
Menno, VT
Pine, Bomb of some order
dreal, Vig of some order
Desp, Miller 1xCommuter
Gerry, something that doesn't matter

[Andrius]

Assuming the game isn't over and we don't all get a HAPPY SCUMMIES 2016 present, we still get to slog through this for a bit.
Dreal and Pine's positions are somewhat strengthed in the hypothetical scenario where Maria is a(nother) protective role for the town.
Leaves [Desp, Gerry, Menno]
-[Desp]
[Menno, Gerry]
Everyone is screaming for Gerry town.
So for EVERYONE ELSE -[Gerry]
=[Menno]??

[Andrius]

Yeah because choosing nights has never been a BOMB thing.
You're always ready.

[Andrius]

Also I'm totally ok with you being a full bomb because now you'll never die
dreal's claim is stronger now

Everything I just said still holds.

[Andrius]

And yes, I am well aware that BOMB is also perfect scum cover to avoid vigs and nightkills and explain survivability but I'm willing to 100% town you at this point.
We'll have some tough words if you actually are scum in some long con shit but I don't care at this point to even pursue that venue.

[Andrius]

Also you've definitely set a trend for yourself where you will lie as town for our betterment.
In a different way than Zach did because claiming scum as town is just anti-town.
You doing your thing in STRAHD was for our benefit even if you lied out your butt regarding the communes.

I somewhat expect to see you flip not Bomb and actually be something else completely bonkers.
Or just VT.

[Andrius]

Why wait?

[Andrius]

At this point nothing would surprise me.

[Andrius]

May we meet again in a better place.

[Andrius]

Y'all better be sure to read the Scummies Ceremony.
Our dear EP and Nacho have done a lot of work for it.

[Andrius]

Also you've definitely set a trend for yourself where you will lie as town for our betterment.
In a different way than Zach did because claiming scum as town is just anti-town.
You doing your thing in STRAHD was for our benefit even if you lied out your butt regarding the communes.

I somewhat expect to see you flip not Bomb and actually be something else completely bonkers.
Or just VT.

Yeah, I've never lied so hard as I did in Strahd, maybe not even as scum. I've made some ballsy claims as scum in my time, but I was deploying anti-scum WIFOM like it was my job in that game.

It WAS your job though - it allowed you to keep me alive and get the second guilty result from kuror0.
Totally worth it.

[Andrius]

I mean I don't know how she took things out of hand but w/e.

After the Zach issue THE ONLY INNOCENTS ARE BODIES.

[Andrius]

Just lynch me tomorrow.
I'll be negative utility in LyLo anyway.

[Andrius]

Hey, I'll be chasing after you again.
That's definitely something to look forward to.

[Andrius]

I mean.
We don't.
Not really.
If Maria's town we have one mislynch.

[Andrius]

I said one mislynch.
Then you have to be correct in LyLo.

[Andrius]

I guess I can see scum vig with JK BP and Doctor but *shrug* not my problem now I guess x)

I made this argument awhile ago and no one cared.
People generally shirk away from SCUM VIGs.

Storm of Swords, anyone?

[Andrius]

Again, its the day of the SCUMMIES.
EP is probably busy with that or something.

[Andrius]

EP's not on Steam, so.

[Andrius]

My Student ID

Hi.
You are

MY STUDENT ID

, A BYSTANDER THAT HELPFULLY SERVED AS A WAY TO EASILY PAY FOR LAUNDRY SERVICES

.
You are a

Loved Compulsive Double Visitor With a Potential Effect

.

Alignment:

You are aligned with the Town. You win when all threats to town are dead, and there is at least one member of town alive.

I Didn't Do Anything Wrong:

Very true. No one can be angry at you!

It requires one more vote to lynch you if it is not MYLO or LYLO.

How Do I Swipe This Damn Thing:

Swipe it this way? No. Maybe the other way? Every Night Phase, you must choose two targets to visit.

If one of those people is the "Card Machine," both of you will lose all special abilities.

gerryoat, the

Loved Compulsive Double Visitor With a Potential Effect

, has been killed N6.

HALLELUJAH

[Andrius]

I can now be brought to lylo.
Im a man of my word though.
Send me off to Maria.

[Andrius]

Pine is town.
Desp is town.
Lynch me today.
One of you two gets to sort out [dreal, Menno] tomorrow.

Ill be gone until later tonight so if you want something from me itll have to wait.

[Andrius]

and that isn't a personal attack, that's a read

I could care less if it were a personal attack.
Gerry is dead.
We have hope for lylo.
Send me to maria.
I mean I know FB is closer in her heaet and whatnot but I am ready

[Andrius]

Today just started.
Its ok though Im as excited to be done with you as youbare with me

[Andrius]

MARIA
IM COMING HOMEEEE

[Andrius]

I don't self-vote as town.
That newbie game with Nacho was one of the exceptions.

[Andrius]

I would stake the entire game on Pine being town for his WE DID IT AGAIN ANDRIUS TOWN/TOWN JUST LIKE STRAHD LETS HYDRA SOMETIME post.
Pine, if you're actually scum this game on the incredible off-chance, you and I are going to share some angry words postgame away from prying eyes.

Desperado's a townread based on his play but I'd choose Pine over him in a heartbeat in LyLo.
His play has been solid. The Miller/Commuter deal is still a bit much but whatever. The only scenario I lynch him in LyLo is against Pine, so.

dreal can go either way.
I am biased against him because he has been so passive this game.
Maybe its because of his boredom/distance from the game or something. Its like, his entire posting on this page basically sums up my experience with him this game. And the HAS ANDRIUS SAID ANYTHING TOWN TODAY is just bad but whatever.

And then there's Menno.
Bussing Creature D1 is totally within his repertoire as scum.
And that's really all I can remember him doing all game.
I mean, I wouldn't put it past him to skate on that as scum.
And I wouldn't be surprised if he's town having done his ONE THING all game which was the Creature push and then just sitting here going THIS GAME like he did on this page.
Idk. Menno has this air of I DONT HAVE A CARE IN THE WORLD this game which is complicating but w/e.

I really don't know what else I can say to help you all, largely since dreal isn't moved by anything I say because I don't do cases and Menno doesn't demonstrate a lick of caring.


If this DOES happen to be a 12:5 and this is a 3:2 LyLo then we're screwed anyway so.
Too bad the whole WE PLAYED WELL EARLY ON burns like this but, hey, we all share a part of this loss and I own mine. The whole 800+ posts was definitely too many, my earlygame was more whimsical than actually trying to do anything, I had a number of badly-defended reads (Nos was actually scum though; Nacho was actually scum; Creature I thought was town for awhile so there's that). I mean, the best part of this game was definitely the WINE NIGHTS with people like Sly (RIP) and Pine but that was more product of your charming personalities than the merits of this own game, so. Idk. Blunt honesty time with Andrius at 11pm on Fat Tuesday. I pushed Frogger too hard D1, assuming that he was more resilient than that since he seemed like he could dish it and take it but apparently not. I own the fact that I pressured him super hard and wish it didn't end in the Cop claim because that hurt us hard. That was on us. My read on Maria was spot-on which is small comfort. I said some words to EP after her lynch that basically summed up my thoughts but those aren't important anymore.


Spare the others.
I am ready.

[Andrius]

I cannot explain how happy I am that Gerry is dead.
That was the best nighktil in my mind. 10/10 am quite happy I don't have to read anymore I AM A MAFIA GOD I CAUGHT NACHO AND CREATURE ALL BY MYSELF posts.

IIRC he suspected me and Desperado so I die today and you can consider Desp tomorrow.

[Andrius]

EP's OP has flips but no flavor for the flips.
Also doesn't have a Table of Contents.
This is relevant because GERRY's role had a tie to someone else (CARD MACHINE) who I can't remember if they've flipped or not.

Let me go look to see if that's died yet or not.

[Andrius]

FIREBRINGER was the card machine.

[Andrius]

Hey Dreal.
Why did you shoot SAD N3?
Over, say, me, ho you've been scum reading all game?

Also technically none of our roles are confirmable.

[Andrius]

Wait, no, we know that SAD was shot N3 because he confirmed it.

So unless there's some crazy going on it was dreal.

[Andrius]

Before Menno, his slot was Aero.
On the off chance Im not lynched today, I think I want him dead most.

[Andrius]

Here's some context for you:

Also technically none of our roles are confirmable.

Wait, no, we know that SAD was shot N3 because he confirmed it.

[Andrius]

Yeah, I'm being pocketed...I think it can't be McMenno. He's who I'm being left alive to ML.

That leads me to question my TRs on Desp and Andy.

Brother, you need to get a grip. No one's trying to pocket you unless you think I'm doing it when you're the one running the LETS HYDRA AND BE BROS FOR LYFE PALADIN/CLERIC 4EVA.
Menno's doing nothing.
dreal is just running around as he usually does, screaming an andrius scumread in every game we're in together but doing little effort to actually get me lynched. I honestly think he's likely town with his whole trying to live to N3 to actually get a shot in, and shooting SAD after the D3 fakeclaim tracker result would totally make sense as dreal town. And if dreal is MAFIA Limited Vig then they just wasted their shot on SAD boo hoo. I mean, I'd still be hard pressed to not vote him in LyLo just to make sure scum_dreal doesn't win against town_andrius just to pretend the inevitable storm of HAHAHAHA I WIN ANDY TAKE THAT FOR THE THING MAFIA BBAHAHAHAHAHA. Which is honestly why I want to die. I don't trust myself with [Gerry, Menno, dreal] in LyLo so unless you're going to put down the Kool-Aid and lynch scum with me today you need to ensure I won't be there tomorrow.

Maybe if you don't want to be in endgame scenarios you should stop claiming roles that won't get you killed.

[Andrius]

tammy, if you're reading (I think you are), please, send your mental energy waves to me so I can try and read your thoughts because they'd be really fucking helpful right now

Huh????

I'm sorry you get to sort out this mess tomorrow.

[Andrius]

I'm sorry you get to sort out this mess tomorrow.

how do you know he lives until tomorrow if we go into Night if you're not the last scum>?

I dont know.
Im assuming he will since hes a miller.

[Andrius]

Im assuming he will since hes a miller.

wow that is super-horrible reason

let's kill andrius now (:

Look I know you have a hard on for my lynch and Im not fighting this at all.

[Andrius]

I mean. If there are two left game's over when Im lynched.
Im banking on only one left, hence my willingness to die.
Also Id rather not have to sit through a LyLo with you.

[Andrius]

I don't need advice for scumplay when Im town.
I dont care to argue with you. I will be a burden on this town tomorrow as you will scream for my death, and Menno will gladly comply. Desp will say Im town while Pine will hemm and haww.

[Andrius]

No it's a fact, Tammy is notoriously wishy washy.

[Andrius]

Ya you're right this conversation is stupid.

What do you two think about Pines Menno thing today?

I dont like it.
I really dont.

[Andrius]

Like, Im pretty open about my thoughts; Id stake the game on Desp and Pine being town if there's one scum left.

If there are two its a game changer.
Doubt it though.

[Andrius]

I could vote pine today if others are interested and if someone makes a good case for someone else I'd likely be okay with any of you

fuckers

lovely people (I seriously hope this is okay, I'm just having fun~)

No its not ok.

[Andrius]

I get the feeling you're pretty much willing to lynch anyone at this point.
And yes, I have viewed this thread a bit but have been mobile and don't feel like spending even more time arguing with you.

[Andrius]

This absolutely stinks of a question where you'd jump all over whatever answer I gave.

I feel like this is most of that he's been throwing out today.

[Andrius]

Desp, who do you want more dead out of [dreal, Menno]?

[Andrius]

but the thought of allowing menno to win this game playing the way he has literally makes me throw up in my mouth

This sentiment is me for [dreal, Menno, Gerry] among others.

[Andrius]

VOTE: McMenno
Ever so slightly more comfortable with this.

[Andrius]

I did my own research awhile ago and Pine did prefer Nos while I was trying to wrangle support for dreal.

[Andrius]

Still ok with lynching everyone on the SlySly wagon.
Still ok with lynching everyone outside the voting bloc.
Still don't care that dreal disagrees with everything above.

[Andrius]

I mean, I can swing dreal.
But I want this dead more.

Don't get me wrong, lynching dreal would make me "happier".
Every time I think to myself 'EP doesn't have the guts to put a Limited Vig on the scumteam' I remember THE THING and how 3/4 of the design team for this game just witnessed scum with a 1shot Vig. Incidentially, this game ALSO has a bulletproof-vest-giver as well, which was in THE THING.

[Andrius]

You know, town having three pseudo-protective roles makes more sense if scum have an extra bullet.

[Andrius]

Table of Contents

Dawn of Day One
Day One Lynch
Dawn of Day Two
Day Two Lynch
Dawn of Day Three
Day Three Lynch
Dawn of Day Four
Day Four Lynch
Dawn of Day Five
Day Five Lynch
Dawn of Day Six
Day Six Lynch
Dawn of Day Seven

[Andrius]

Look, Menno.
I'm getting my incoherent thoughts out here given my death approaches.
I'm not SAYING he's a Scum Vig, I'm SAYING that it wouldn't be OUT OF REALITY.
I could FURTHER ARGUE that Ep, Spy, Magna were all in THE THING MAFIA and probably all were like YEAH SOMEONE HANDING OUT BULLETPROOF VESTS IS A GOOD ROLE.
I also think that the same THREE PEOPLE, 2 of whom were THINGS WITH ME as SOME OF YOU UNFONDLY REMEMBER, were part of a SCUMTEAM WITH A 1SHOT VIG THAT NEVER SHOT.
I do not think it would be TOO OUT OF SPECULATION to think that a Scum 1shot Vig might be in a game, especially if we're factoring in good protective roles, the synergy it has with the Scum 2shot RoleCop, and the dearth of Town PRs.
And the Bomb. Because that also increases the chance the bomb is USEFUL to the town.

I'm not SAYING HES SCUM 1shot VIG 100% certainty.
I think he's likely scum of SOME ROLE and I'm arguing DONT THROW OUT 1shot VIG given he held his one shot to N2/3 (whenever he claimed to shoot SAD I cant remember) especially given a failed shot is easy as crap to fake.

[Andrius]

I didn't really want to full claim results but you guys are intent on lynching so..

Wait don't hammer yet. What nights did you use the role cops and on who each night.

N1: Fire
N2: Gerry

Gerry is a double visitor. It's also compulsive and with a loved modifier. There's also a potential effect but idk what that means.

Fire is a vest giver. He's not a gunsmith. Like idk where tf that would even come from.

Okay I'm Jailkeeper

N1 McMenno (Wasn't here up to lynch - either way I missed Fro99er's claim and didn't go back to see anything)

N2 Maria

N3 Firebringer

N4 Pine

[Andrius]

TIMEOUT

[Andrius]

In post 6664, Nosferatu claims that he targeted Firebringer N1, and that FB is a VEST GIVER.
Since we know they are not of the same faction and not in a neighborhood or something, we know this to be true because Nos/scumbuddies have no way of finding out FB's rolename.

We know this to be true from FB's flip:

The Card Machine

Hi.
You are

THE CARD MACHINE

, WHICH TAUNTED ME BY MAKING ME PAY MONEY FOR THIS BRUTAL EXPERIENCE

.
You are a

1-shot Bulletproof Vest Giver

.

Alignment:

You are aligned with the Town. You win when all threats to town are dead, and there is at least one member of town alive.

Gimme That Extra Dry Cycle:

Once per game, you can choose to target a person during the Night Phase.

That person will gain a one-shot bulletproof modifier that will protect them from one nightkill.

Firebringer, the

Town 1-shot Bulletproof Vest Giver

, has been killed N4.

WHICH MEANS that a scumteam with 2 brain cells to rub together might be able to extrapolate from FB's posting to SAD EARLY ON DAY TWO that FB passed a BP Vest to SAD, as demonstrated here:

VOTE: Desperado

Dayne like my gift?

VOTE: Desperado

Dayne like my gift?

I didn't get anything :/

Was I blocked?

LOL nvm

EP gave it to me now firebringer.

What a bad mod

So scum knew that FB was a Vest Giver.
From the D2 play, the whole thread knew that FB gave SAD something.
Scum would know that SAD had a Bulletproof Vest from FB.

My original theory was that scum wouldn't use their 1shot Vig to shoot someone they knew to be Bulletproof, especially when they could use the 1shot Vig to shoot some masons and dreal could claim VT or some garbage.
I mean, its entirely possible that they used the shot to just take off the Bulletproof Vest to shoot SAD later, (which happened N5) but that's a bit of a stretch.

[Andrius]

What modifiers do you have, Drealmerz?

you mean my delayed modifier? just that...

Yeah, this was a trap. If you were the detergent, you'd have the clean machine modifier.

Come on man.
Don't assume crap like this.

[Andrius]

Why do you think he only had 1 vest to give?

because that's what his role pm said

Nominate Desperado for Paragon of Mafia Hunters

[Andrius]

So if I run up this theory as far as it can go, it basically becomes dreal is scum only if we have a lot of assumptions here too.
He'd have to be a Delayed Limited Scum Vig, which meant that [SAD, I] were the perfect shots for him with the exception of SAD is crumbing some sort of role whereas I had clearly claimed mine (though Sly outed me first).

So if I put dreal in the town bucket I'm basically looking at Menno.

[Andrius]

[Andrius]

Apparently I am the only one who thought my find was groundbreaking.

[Andrius]

Well, you made a lot of assumptions, first among them that the scumteam connected all the dots you did. I don't agree with the premise.

I mean.
FB/SAD were not subtle, and especially since the scumteam KNOWs what FB is doing.
The first premise is that scum definitely knew SAD was bulletproof.
The second premise is the bigger stretch IMO where dreal is town because scum_dreal would know not to shoot SAD and they wouldn't use a shot just to shoot the vest?

[Andrius]

ummm yep, absolutely

can we get a pine wagon please, I'd kind of like to get off andrius a bit but he's now my CW so I kind of have to, and I am okay killing him, but, pine is such a better lynch now with these shenigans

Completely against lynching Pine.
Have I not made myself clear on this up to this point?

[Andrius]

Nothing to add since last time I posted.
Just me checking in.

[Andrius]

i'm 100% not unvoting menno until he, like, starts playing the game

I imagine the deadline will trigger before that happens.

[Andrius]

[Pine]
[dreal, Desp]
[Menno]

[Andrius]

i'm 100% not unvoting menno until he, like, starts playing the game

I gotta admit, this pinged me when I saw it.
I still can't quite get it into words but while I think Menno's our play today, this has me worried since you can just sit here all day and come back tomorrow (3p LyLo) and go I WAS ON MENNO. I know you're not just going to sit here like, well, Menno, but this is a concern if Menno doesn't end the game.

[Andrius]

andrius, be a hero and help me push pine to lynch

if pine is scum, I wouldn't even call what he did in voting his scumbuddies "busing", they are definitely more "oh shit I am going to look fishy if I don't vote them so I gotta" votes

You're not even voting Pine.

[Andrius]

andrius, be a hero and help me push pine to lynch

if pine is scum, I wouldn't even call what he did in voting his scumbuddies "busing", they are definitely more "oh shit I am going to look fishy if I don't vote them so I gotta" votes

You're not even voting Pine.

Also, no.
I have no desire to lynch Pine. He's #1 town for a number of things but basically the reaction to Zach's YOU GOT ME was the best. Maria should have been auto-cleared as well but since we're in this for the long haul we had to clean house. Like, his whole TEAM STRAHD RULES followed by WE SHOULD HYDRA into PM conversation about hydra-ing pre-Zach's death really makes me think he's town.

[Andrius]

but the wagons are better this way and they only get better if you vote pine firstyou not being able to see this makes me comfortable staying on you though

I don't get what you're trying to say/do here.

[Andrius]

I honestly think nothing will change here.
I've said my piece for DAYS now, and am solid on my reads.
You are as well.
Desp and Pine are voting their way and I don't see them moving.
Menno is as Menno does. Which is little.

I think we're going to be stuck here for awhile until someone has to compromise.
And I won't be compromising on Pine.

[Andrius]

Like, I'd compromise on Desp if I absolutely had to.
You're slightly higher than him when you're not being insufferable because once I get angry at you I want you dead just to get you to stop talking.

[Andrius]

TRUTH HOUR WITH ANDRIUS

[Andrius]

Sorry, my computer crashed.
Give me a second to catch up.

[Andrius]

you have to come off mcmenno because pine is not going to hammer you ever and if I come off of you first pine just goes to mcmenno and that will tell us nothing if mcmenno is not scum

I'm going to address this in parts because I don't get what you're getting at.
Part 1: Pine won't hammer me ever.
A: Not today, no. Not unless we're at deadline and I think he'd definitely vote Menno over me.

Part 2: I come off of you first pine just goes to mcmenno and that will tell us nothing if mcmenno is not scum
A: You're saying that Pine's just going to hammer whatever wagon's highest? He's not doing that now?
You're saying if you unvote me then he's forced to just vote menno? Pine's been very clear that he thinks menno is town for some, frankly, bollocks reason.

it is only good for town to maneuver the wagons at this point by you coming off mcmenno first, anything else is dangerous and hurts town if there is a ML (by allowing scum to slip through the cracks of responsibility rather than be put in a position to be held accountable) in my view, and all I can do is play from my view

Part 3
I don't get what you mean by maneuvering wagons.
Why does it matter that I come off Menno first?
If this is all about responsibility, what do you think about Menno signing Maria's hammer but not voting her?
Then I basically said 'why don't you do it', so he did it?
I don't get why he was ok letting someone hammer but not doing it himself. Other than avoiding responsibility.
I didn't vote her because I don't want to be part of the party that kills her.
Because, you know, bias.

Can you explain this whole wagon maneuvering thing as if I am a drunk five year old?
Because I don't get your stance here and why its so important.

if pine is the lynch he can't be given a position of strength (non responsibility through default "well I had to vote that wagon because it was the only choice besides my own at that point) until he is at L-1

Pine's not going to be the lynch.
zzz

IF pine were to hammer you before I switched off of you to him with you on him, and you are town, it outs him as scum because of associations

But he hasn't.
So unless you're expecting him to do so this is pointless.

mcmenno wagon has to be non-viable for lynch wagon to be viable, essentially

I don't get it.
We have 5 voters.
The three of you can surely lynch not [Me, Desp] without any help.

andrius, is desperado is scum, why isn't he voting you?

This is all idle speculation, but:
Because I townread him?
Because hypothetical scumdesperado might see menno as an easier lynch today.

Whoever is ACTUALLY scum knows that Pine and I won't vote each other today (maybe ever!!!) and so the only way to get this to happen is to force a endgame with both [Pine, I] alive, which is still a gamble since we could RALLY THE TROOPS and lynch whoever it is that isn't us.

again, more reasons why I am comfortable with an andrius lynch, compiled to the entirety rest of the game of course

if you're scum you need mcmenno lynched because you know you can't NK him and still win tomorrow and you can't have him alive tomorrow with the possible ppl who will be alive because you'd get lynched no question

ARRAGHGHHH

I do not follow this at all.
Everyone can be NK'd, including likely-bullshitting Pine.

[Andrius]

I mean, Pine wants to lynch you.
In what world do you see me, as scum, removing you from the lynch options after some work/reading being a good tactic?
Because I'm pretty sure [Pine, Me, Desp] could swing your lynch if Menno doesn't happen.

[Andrius]

I honestly think this day will end when the Voting Bloc [Pine, Desp, myself] finally agrees on someone.
Because Menno isn't here and Desp and I both think Menno's scum and Pine thinks Menno's town and dreal's scum so the options for 3 people voting a 4th who aren't the three voters is narrow.

[Andrius]

There definitely need to be commas in there or something.

[Andrius]

I honestly think this day will end when the Voting Bloc [Pine, Desp, myself] finally agrees on someone.
Because Menno isn't here; Desp and I both think Menno's scum; Pine thinks Menno's town and dreal's scum; so the options for 3 people voting a 4th who aren't the three voters is narrow.

Fixed with punctuation.!

[Andrius]

What's that in response to?

[Andrius]

No, and I'm asking you to explain it so I can.

[Andrius]

It doesn't explain pretty much everything in 7164.
I can't tell if you're being difficult on purpose or not.

pedit: Which is why Desp and I are concerned about the Pine/Menno bullshit. At least, I think that's why Desp is so concerned.

[Andrius]

I really don't think there's 2 left fwiw.

[Andrius]

so what do you think mcmenno's power is? you don't actually think he'd be goon with the flipped roles we have do you?

Anything I would say would be idle speculation.

also that you are okay to go desp is highly suspect, imo

just doesn't make sense with the weak cop that his miller claim would be a lie

I mean, if we're looking for trashy reasons to throw people into the townbucket.

[Andrius]

You've only been saying that all game.
And no one else seems to share your opinion.

[Andrius]

it's not like I'm scumreading andrius but I'm not townreading him either and that's enough at the moment

[Andrius]

you are an advanced mod

"idle speculation" is a complete cop-out

no one is asking you to commit to being correct

it would make sense that you just can't come up with something false that makes you not sound fishy or to tell the truth would reveal that you know the truth and be a stupid scumtell to doso

Here's some idle speculation for you.
Well he could be a number of things.
RB. (unlikely due to their killing of the cop N1 instead of RBing him)
Investigation-Immune GF.
Bulletproof GF. (Would work well with the bomb.)
Tracker
Watcher
Motion Detector or synonyms of this role

I think the last two would work well since the town has a TON of power yet a good chunk of it (Masons, Bomb(?)) do not take night actions so that would help create false negatives.

[Andrius]

Last three*.

[Andrius]

Table of Contents

Dawn of Day One
Day One Lynch
Dawn of Day Two
Day Two Lynch
Dawn of Day Three
Day Three Lynch
Dawn of Day Four
Day Four Lynch
Dawn of Day Five
Day Five Lynch
Dawn of Day Six
Day Six Lynch
Dawn of Day Seven

[Andrius]

omg that speculation is horrible

lynch andrius

See this crap makes me feel like you're throwing literally anything and everything you have to lynch me.
Which I think is town because WOW you're trying everything.
But then again you never seemed to bother pushing me before today (yesterday? you voted maria though iirc) which is suspect. Its like you finally woke up and was like OK SCUMTIME gotta do something.
Then there's the vig claim thing that's wow most likely town because I don't see EP as being a gutsy enough mod to give scum an extra kill.
But then THE THING.
But then the SAD shot makes sense from you as town because you're shoot someone just for faking a guilty on you.
But then that's perfect cover for a scum shot.

[Andrius]

Appease you? Do you think I care about you or your opinions?
You asked. I said this is idle speculation. You were like I WANT TO KNOW. So I provided a 60-second thought experiment. You didn't like. Somehow that's my fault. lolok

I am still down with my lynch.
I offered myself up after Maria was lynched. I stand by it.
You're still short a vote on me.

pedit: Maria came off me because she loves me or some shit. idk
pedit2: Are you going to explain these comments or just drop words around everywhere.

[Andrius]

andrius, you're just trying to paint a narrative and push it through rather than communicate to reach an understanding about how things actually went down - this is scumtactics

Replace the first word with 'drealmerz7' and this is largely true of what you're doing now.
You're set on me being scum and are throwing everything against me.

Including some 0-effort ALL THE NIGHTKILLS POINT TO YOU claim that is completely unsubstantiated.

[Andrius]

Yeah...I think it has to be Andrius. No one's hammered McMenno when there's lots of easy, free excuse to do so. He's not actively pushing someone else, either, as L-1 scum would. Andy is, though. He also keeps invoking "Pine would never, we're bros" a bit too much, as if it's a talisman to ward me off. Drealmerz I'm still not comfortable with, but the last few pages there have been a few too many dumbtells, like his paranoia about two remaining scum (which is preposterous). He's a little too cracked to be scum, and what he's pursuing just isn't attainable.

What the hell. Dovie'andi se tovya sagain. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

VOTE: Andrius

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Andrius]

I die by your hand.
I wouldn't have it any other way.

Finally.
Off to see Maria.

[Andrius]

I'm town, by the way.
No games, Pine.
The Zach claiming scum thing was horrendous and killed the soul of this game for me.
Namely because you were all like BEST GAME EVER TEAM STRAHD REPEAT LETS HYDRA
And then the game wasn't over.
I thought for sure you were town because of that and the whole PM offer to hydra for srs.

Oh well.
I'm so happy.
Now I don't have to sit through a LyLo with MENNO and DREAL.

[Andrius]

I'm sorry Andy, I lost the faith. We wouldn't have been allowed to see endgame together anyway.

You're a bomb.
We would have stood together against the storm.

[Andrius]

Seriously though.
The hell are you doing.

[Andrius]

No one's hammered Menno because
1) he's scum?
2) you're being obstinant
3) scum want me dead before endgame because I will literally vote ANYONE BUT YOU IN ENDGAME

[Andrius]

3) scum want me dead before endgame because I will literally vote ANYONE BUT YOU IN ENDGAME

PINE
THIS IS TRUE BRO-NESS
THIS IS WHAT STRAHDIANS SHOULD BE
NOT BACKSTABBING IDIOTS

[Andrius]

why didn't we just lynch menno D7 again???????????

Because dreal couldn't be trusted to vote anyone but me.
And Pine went 100% paranoia on me.
Its k though.
Menno played as well as he needed to win and it worked out for him.
gg

Uhh I thought EP saying "Andrius, the VT" was lynched made it p obvious the swtup was 1 goon 1 VT and rest all roled.

Unfortunately for me the thread was locked before I could finish my rant about a number of things; the fact that I was likely the TOKEN VT was one of them but w/e.
gg menno rip birdlady whatever
This game basically reminded me of everything I don't like about mafia, despite some good times. Oh well.

I think if we stuck to my townbloc and lynched purely outside of {me, Andrius, Pine, Maria, Desperado, Firebringer} would have been p ez.

Yep.
Pine's paranoia made me sad.
Only took 20-30 minutes of driving around downtown listening to JPOP to fix my heart.
sigh

Maybe I'll go read the Dead PT.

[Andrius]

Frogger calling the town dumb in the dead thread is odd given he cracked under my pressure.
I mean I take 50% responsibility for his claim and death given I pressured him but this just reinforces my earlier view that he acts tough but apparently cracks under Andrius Faking Vig pressure? Idk man. Its alot easier to see the game once you're dead.

I believe in Pine/Andrius to actually go for mcmenno.

Yeah I would literally have voted anyone and everyone before voting Pine in LyLo.
Apparently this relationship was only one-way.
OH WELL.

The worst nightmare lylo with dreamz how did it come to this....

Second only to LyLo with Gerry.
Honorable Mention for LyLo with [Me, Pine, Maria] for ultimate heartbreak.


...and that's that.